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Premier refutes claims mill was sacrificed to acquire power assets

There's growing frustration at the lack of openness from the provincial government over plans for the hydroelectric generating stations expropriated from AbitibiBowater late last year.

And at least one community leader in the Grand Falls-Windsor area is openly questioning the government about whether the it willingly sacrificed the AbitibiBowater newsprint mill in order to acquire ownership of the power.

Danny Williams

There's growing frustration at the lack of openness from the provincial government over plans for the hydroelectric generating stations expropriated from AbitibiBowater late last year.

And at least one community leader in the Grand Falls-Windsor area is openly questioning the government about whether the it willingly sacrificed the AbitibiBowater newsprint mill in order to acquire ownership of the power.

"Did the government decide the benefit of having the power themselves outweighed the benefit of milling and logging operations?" Grand Falls-Windsor lawyer Mark Griffin asked in a letter last week to local MHA Susan Sullivan. Sullivan is minister of Human Resources, Labour and Employment.

Griffin forwarded the letter to the media. It sparked a scathing attack on Premier Danny Williams by columnist Konrad Yakabuski in Thursday's Globe and Mail.

"It takes guts to question Mr. Williams from within the province he rules with a firm hand and, to be truthful, a fair amount of fear," Yakabuski wrote.

The popular theory is that the province coveted the power generated by the power plants on the Exploits River for Long Harbour, where Vale Inco is about to begin construction on a US$2.2-billion hydromet nickel processing plant. Under the development agreement, the province must provide the 80 to 100 megawatts needed to run the operation, charged at the island industrial rate.

The hydro assets seized by the province are said to have a combined generating capacity of 116 megawatts.

People like Griffin are questioning the government's antagonistic attitude toward AbitibiBowater, and its unwavering support for the union, during restructuring talks last year between the company and the union. After the union twice rejected restructuring proposals, the company announced in December it would close the mill.

Griffin wonders if the government's hard-nosed approach was part of a plan to free up power for Long Harbour, and improve access to fibre for the paper mill in Corner Brook.

"This, coincidentally, happens to be where the political power base of the government sits," Griffin wrote.

Ken Dicks, a pharmacist and owner of Central Pharmacy in Grand Falls-Windsor, also has questions about why the mill closed.

"If the mill closed because the demand for paper is in the tank, people can probably accept that. If it closed for some other agenda, people won't accept that," he told The Telegram recently.

On Friday, Williams angrily denied any suggestion that his government would sacrifice the mill, and the 750 jobs that go with it. He described Griffin's suppositions as completely false, and said Griffin has political motives and is trying to play on the emotions of area residents.

"It's really unfortunate when one of our own comes out and betrays us like that," Williams said of Griffin.

He also accused Yakabuski of "having a game plan that is not in Newfoundland's interest."

Williams explained that the province didn't need the power from the Exploits River in order to accommodate the Long Harbour plant. He said 70 megawatts were freed up when the Stephenville paper mill closed, and an additional 54 megawatts of wind power has also been added to the grid.

Williams said the ideal situation would be to use the electricity to power new industry in central Newfoundland, but he said the most important fact is that the province, through Nalcor Energy, a Crown corporation, will take full control of the power at the end of March.

As for the fate of the mill, Williams said the government did all it could.

"We're more interested now in finding a solution to the situation rather than playing the blame game," Williams said.

troberts@thetelegram.com

Organizations: Human Resources, Globe and Mail, The Telegram Griffin's Nalcor Energy

Geographic location: Grand Falls-Windsor, Long Harbour, Exploits River Grand Falls Newfoundland Corner Brook Stephenville

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  • violet
    July 02, 2010 - 13:35

    Jes byes i wish EVERY Newfoundlander every where in this world would realize That it was Mr Joesph Smallwood that got us all IN THE MESS OUR PROVINCE IS IN ..AND OTHER PREMIERS WE HAD..Danny is trying his best to straighten out the mess we have been in for yearsssssssssssssssss..and yes Danny is not perfect No One is ...cut the man some slack ..and open your eyes..

  • Bones
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    Bonnie:You seem to know a lot about dogs, but next to nothing about me. You left yourself wide open for a canine-oriented insult there, but I will respect that you are a woman with feelings, lol. Show me where I once called William our god, our savior, our mentor, our healer or anything other than our premier. I've said it a dozen times, it doesn't matter who is the premier. I, as a proud NL'er wo loves my province, I like the path NL is on. I don't care who's driving as long as we stay safely on the road. Business that wishes to leave, can leave with what they came with, nothing. It's a complete coincidence that I agree with Williams position, lol, I guess he must love NL too?

    With companies pulling multi-million dollar payrolls out of communities and leaving them high and dry after decades of milking the resources, what would you have ANY government do differently than is happening now?

    I'll stick with my dog collar, thank you very much, it doesn't seem to be as harmful to me as those freakin horse blinders you and the rest of the haters seem to have on.

    For what it's worth, a friend of mine's surgery a few months back, went off without a hitch. Only for one reason, though, and it had nothing to do with Williams. You see, she was treated by a professional in the medical field, a professional who has a little pride in what he does, not a politician. Get it?

    Seems Bones is getting more attention than he's worth these days. Time for a new moniker maybe? It seems like some people here would rather beat on Bones than make a debatable argument, why is that?

    Calling me stupid, immature, young, nuts, a dog or any other animal will never hurt me. It's such a complete waste of time. I'm hearing on here a lot of the bad stuff being done by government but I see no factual information. I see daily conspiracy, hearsay, conjecture, speculation, and a general disrespect for the place I love and chose to call home. I see complete disrespect and disdain for an administration that is attempting to find long term solutions to problems that have plagued NL since Confederation. At the same time, I see our federal counterparts seemingly doing everything in their power to squat every penny and man hour they can out of NL, its resources, and its workforce......military personnel included.

  • NL_Expatriate
    July 02, 2010 - 13:33

    Abitibi bowater

    some facts for clarification so you need not find yourself in the embarrassing position of being on the wrong side of a losing argument.
    1. Abitibi Bowater expropriation of assets.
    The NL gov't didn't unilaterally end the business relationship. AB did with their actions to close the Grand Falls Windsor Paper Mill.
    As to the legality of taking back ownership of the Hydro assets, AB broke one of the covenants contained in the agreement itself with the mill's closure, they have no rights in NL to provincial resources whatsoever.
    They do however have an expectation to be compensated for infrastructure they built. That is fair and will be taken care of by NL is due course.
    I'd suggest reading the following links:
    www.releases.gov.nl.ca/.../1216n07.htm
    www.theglobeandmail.com/.../AbitibiCharter.pdf

    The Star Lake Power Plant cost Abitibi about 50 million to build in 1998.

    Timber rights were given to them to produce paper...No paper, therefore no timber rights.

    I guess the 250 million must be a good will payment!!

    Read the Danger tree.

  • greg
    July 02, 2010 - 13:32

    No, no. They would not do that. Nor would they hire their friends and relatives into plum jobs , give 15 million to a cable company or interfere with the selection of Mun's President or give us third world health care or have tens of thousands of us on boil water orders. No, they wouldn't do that. Perish the thought! Nothing could be further from the truth!

  • Johnny
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    I'd tell people complaining about Premier Williams' motives to show proof. And unless the media have been provided with proof, they shouldn't be publishing conspiracy theories.

    Newsprint demand is in decline and the newsprint business has been decimated. The medium is going digital: I read The Telegram daily, but haven't bought a paper copy in years.

    I've always said that for mills to survive, they have to make what people want: computer paper and toilet paper.

    What disappoints me is that it doesn't appear that any of the $800 million stimulus package announced last week will be spent in central. Furthermore, courses at the College in GFW are minimal. Yet, we don't see many community leaders complaining much about these issues.

  • Richard
    July 02, 2010 - 13:28

    Roy - probably the same amount the Premier's office pays you.

  • Robert88
    July 02, 2010 - 13:28

    Let's not let petty politics and outsiders work to divide and conquer us. Now more then ever people in this province need to stick together. We need to stand up to the likes of Abitibi, the Federal Government and the like. Stay the course Premier Williams.

  • Peter
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Mike.. A very good post.

    This is a govt. that applies an attackl mode to every issue that comes along. There are some good questions in the Griffin letter and for someone who disagrees to attack him is mean spirited. Who cares if this guy wants to run for public office. He is asking the question Ray Hunter Clayton Forsey and Susan Sullivan should have been asking on behalf of the people.

    The Premier is out of line but the Central MHA's are blind to their role in all of this. Thank God there are at least a few good men/women that are not afraid to at least ask the questions. A 100 yr old business that fed the area is lost forever and to ask a few questions regarding the issue you are branded a traitor. Susan is becoming a major dissappintment if she supports this shameless attack on Mr. Griffin.

  • Mike
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Bones: Please reread my original comment. Nowhere does it say I'm okay with what is being suggested. My point, which you either missed completely or chose not to acknowledge, was that Williams' comment was typical Danny I'm right, you're wrong, how dare you question me. Now how can I get back at you?

    Danny is certainly one to hold a grudge and vindictiveness is not an endearing trait. Ultimately, it does more harm than good. No matter how you choose to view the Williams administration today, it's bound to be a large part of his legacy.

    For proof, just read today's headline story.

  • garigola
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    It,s time for people like MARK GRIFFIN to act responsibly & quit the politicking. . I.m so greatful that you 2 are not in provincial govt. I,ve known all the GRIFFIN families from grand falls, but never thought i,d see one that was so off track to post a statement like MARK did.. Stick to your lawyer business& for god sake & stay clear of politics.

  • Hope for the future for
    July 02, 2010 - 13:24

    I smell Mr. Yakabuski`s presence here on behalf of the Investor Community of AbitibiBowaters and the Federal Government.

    I have a strong feeling that he is interfering here on behalf of both of these entities in the name of the AbitibiBowaters Investment Community and the Free Trade Community (NAFTA) which only served to build economies in the other parts of Canada. Be assured it is not the Grand Falls/Windsor employees of the now defunct AbitibiBowaters`Mill that he is looking out for. Please get that straight my fellow colleagues of Grand Falls/Windsor, it is Premier Williams in the end who has that interest at heart, and I am sure he will do something for the people there when the opportunity arises.

    Please keep that firmly in your minds, since neither the Federal Government or the Globe and Mail ever had the interests of creating economies in Newfoundland and Labrador at heart, when they focused on the Natural and Human Resources belonging to the province of Newfoundland and Labrador, the focus was always on extracting those resources and shipping them off for the benefit of the other provinces and then giving our people a brutal kick in the face on the way out.

    An accounting of those rich resources is FISH, HYDROELECTRIC ENERGY, MINERALS of all types, and OIL. Who are those rich natural resources working for and how about our HUMAN resource. You all have had to follow your resources to other parts of Canada to work them, didn't you?

    All we have to do now to understand what is going on is follow the writings of Mr. Yakabuski in the Globe and Mail.

    I strongly suspect that both of the above entities are trying to stir up MORE trouble for Premier Williams on behalf of AbitibiBowaters, as both of these entities have been doing for a long time now, the type of interference which has kept the province of Newfoundland and Labrador economically backwards for 60 years, or ever since it has been part of Canada.

    Given the rich natural resource base and great geographic strategic location (situated half way between Europe and North America) that Newfoundland and Labrador was endowed with by nature, our province should have been the richest economically in the Nation, but please listen, there was interference from those who had interests and those interests were not on behalf of the province of NL.

    We know that AbitibiBowaters does not have the interests of the Grand Falls' people at heart, but instead their Investor Community.

    By the way Paul Waldie wrote an article for the Globe and Mail last week which is worth reading.

    If you wish to read the article, go to the Globe and Mail Site and type the words Newfoundland and Labrador in the Search box and the article should reveal itself along with many other articles on the province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

  • Manny
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    Robert88 from Newfoundland and Labrador writes: Let's not let petty politics and outsiders work to divide and conquer us. Now more then ever people in this province need to stick together. We need to stand up to the likes of Abitibi, the Federal Government and the like. Stay the course Premier Williams.

    AGREED! NL has the highest per capita debt in the country. What could have been the richest province in Canada is instead the poorest. A large percentage of this has been caused by federal policies and actions. Without a strong leader like Williams, NL may never become financially stable, and people will leave in droves once again. If this guy can't turn around NL's fortunes no one will. You naysayers just casn't see the big picture.

  • David
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    In this same edition, there's an article debating Joey's legacy as a saint or a dictator.

    Weird, eh?

  • Tom
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    I cannot believe the Premier would say traitor regarding Mr. Griffin. That is totally uncalled for.

    For anyone who has read Mr. Griffin's letter to Minister Sullivan, it was quite evident that he was ASKING IMPORTANT QUESTIONS . He did not accuse anyone of anything other than ask for government to come forward and answer the questions that needed to be answered for the residents of the Central Newfoundland area regarding the resources. I would like the questions posed by Mr. Griffin answered also. Does that make me a traitor to the province? If so, so much for freedom of speech.

    Since when did it become wrong to ask questions to our politicians? God help us if that is the case. I am not an anti-Williams in anyway, but, I am disappointed that he would chose to depict Mr. Griffin in this way. What I would like to have seen is for Mr. Williams and his government members simply answer the intelligent questions posed by Mr. Griffin. The main questions of interest is this:

    Will the resources (timber and power) be available for another industry to come to the Central Newfoundland area?

    For those of you who say negative things about Mr. Griffin, I am betting that none of you bothered to even read what he wrote. Shame on the lot of you!

  • NL_Expatriate
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    Liberal, or Conservative whatever it doesn't matter what national PROXY party you elect MP's to, they are all the same when you belong to a minority province in this phoney federation. All of the national PROXY parties have to work within the same tyranny of the majority political system where in order to win power you need to be on the good side of the majority and the majority in this federation live in Upper/Lower Canada, 66% to be exact and further to that some 50% of the canadian population live in urban cities none of which are in NL.

    You must be delusional if you think any national party will go to bat for 1.5% of the population and that includes any MP you might elect to any of the national PROXY parties.

    Sure we don't even comprise the margin of error in the polls which is usually 3%. It isn't the national PROXY parties we need to change, it is the political system of Democratic Discrimination against the minority provinces by all of the national PROXY parties in favor of electioneering in the majority provinces.

    You could be playing this game till the cows come home of electing one or the other national PROXY parties of Upper/Lower canada and expecting a different result.

    It is time to stop the insanity, of doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    These are all only the symptoms of our problems in confederation, the root cause of all of our place in this federation is our lack of equality.

    If you really want to send a message to this confederation then tell your elected MP's to stop Toeing their national PROXY parties line of doing whats in the best interest of the Upper/Lower Canada majority to get elected and cross the floor to stand up for Newfoundland and Labrador First!

    As for defeating the budget it can only be done with the Liberals or in the Senate that is assuming Iggy doesn't tell the Liberal majority of senators to pass it Like Dion did, So much for sober second thought. The senate is nothing but an extension of the systemically flawed House Of Commons Per Capita Colonialism by all of the national PROXY parties of the Upper/Lower Canada majority.

    EQUALITY OR EXIT!

  • Really
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    This has to be the stupidest article I have read.

    I don't really like our little Napoleon ... Danny, but a) to accuse him of sacraficing GFW for Long Harbour is foolish. As well it is the employees of the Mill that reject restructuring proposals.

    Paper is dying ... less and less is getting printed. Things are being stored electronically. Everybody wants to make a wheelbarrow full of $$ but the simple question should have been, are we better of with just a fistfull of cash job or do we take our chances and have no job.

    To me the answer is easy. Just ASK the For UAW workers.

  • David
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    And unless the media have been provided with proof, they shouldn't be publishing conspiracy theories.


    Conspiracy theories about Danny Williams, or about things in general? There's plenty of conspiracy theories about how the Federal government or Quebec or the Foreigners or someone is out to get us. The media perhaps should stop printing those too, especially when the only source of the conspiracy is Danny himself.

  • GFW Resident
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    I have relatives that have worked at the mill, just as Mr. Griffin. I don't believe that Danny is to blame for the mill closing its doors. I also believe that government is trying to keep what belongs to the province, even if it means acquiring its power assets. This is better for the province to have something to offer its people, than nothing. I truly believe that Mr. Griffin is trying to obtain political gain for heroism in a personal attack towards the government. That mill has been falling apart for many years and Abitibi didn't want to invest in it. Mr. Griffin realizes that an election is due in the fall in this community and I believe he has ran into the past one without any success. He certainly won't get my vote. I believe this is what Mr. Griffin's rant is all about.

  • Mike
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    The quote by Williams It's really unfortunate when one of our own comes out and betrays us like that - sums up, quite succinctly, his mentality and the problems with the Williams administration. It's a microcosm of Danny's approach to governance and practically defines his legacy - it's my way or the highway and naysayers (or truth seekers) be d*mned. I'm right, you're wrong and if I want your opinion, I'll give it to you. The irony in the caption of the top story Saint or dictator - can't be lost here.

    We live in what can only be described as an oppressive state when legitimate questions cannot be asked let alone answered. When voices of dissent are banished to the hinterland. When personal grudges outweigh common sense. When pettiness is the norm, not the exception.

    Without a strong Opposition, it's incumbent of others journalists, government officials and the general public - to ask questions and hold the government accountable. And as Edward R. Morrow stated We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty.

    Williams and his fighting Newfoundlander mentality play well to the masses and he is seen by some as a knight in shining armour. But the gleam has faded. What's left is for us to ponder what could have been.

  • Rich
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    Jeez bye, give the man a break! He's defending it for the Province . Wait until the gov. expropriates it first. The negativity that we hear whenever Danny Williams name comes up for anything is unbelievable. Its people like you, Mr Griffin, that make people in other provinces laugh at Nflder's. Why couldn't address the premiers office with these concerns. But, i guess you wouldn't get any free media thay way. and as for people questioning why the mill closed, wake up. Haven't you been watching the news. abitibi couldn't get the people to work for nothing, so they went home.

  • Mark
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    ''It's really unfortunate when one of our own comes out and betrays us like that,''Williams said of Griffin.

    This is one of the most despicable acts of a politician I've ever witnessed. It's shocking that so many of you continue to tolerate his behaviour.

    The Premier of our province has no right to make such disparaging comments about people who happen to disagree with him.

  • Hope for the future for
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    I am just waiting for two of the names which are mentioned in the article to appear on the ballots in the upcoming Federal Election, but before that I am sure they will be bestowed with a piece of the Political Patronage Pie.

  • Nasty
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    (Note Ken's Lastname Can Not Be Used Due To Poor Software Used By The Telegram)

    I have stated before, and I shall spell it out yet again for those that are just a little slow or hard of hearing. I have no love for ANY politician. History shows that every elected official around the world has at one point or another used the position entrusted to them by the people for personal gain.


    Now what the conspiracy theorists may or may not think such as Ken *icks, a pharmacist and owner of Central Pharmacy in Grand Falls-Windsor, also has questions about why the mill closed.


    If the mill closed because the demand for paper is in the tank, people can probably accept that. If it closed for some other agenda, people won't accept that, he told The Telegram recently.


    Maybe Mr. *icks should start to use the Methadone he peddles rather then the crack pipe. It seems he has not been keeping up on the global situation since as an afterthought he considered the legitimate and factual reason for the closure. Did he not know that the global demand for newsprint had fallen off; did he not hear that even Transmedia (The Telegrams Parent Company) was on the layoff band wagon like many other corporations to the tune of 1500 positions to start?


    Well Mr. *ick, your first assumption would be correct. Lack of demand for a product would result in the end of production or sales. Should he stock his shelves with medications that are not being sold? Maybe if he is a poor business owner.


    As for Danny Williams, he better start to include those in this province that he took office to serve. His off handed comments of bringing more trades people back to the province while thousands sit unemployed should be considered treason. Deal with the issues looking you in the face before trying to drag others back to this province to further desperation and poverty. What are you really trying to do? You went to Fort McMurray three years ago. You stood at the Sawridge begging people to come home. Well what have you done for them so far? Many of those that came back still have nothing and needed to leave yet again, but kept homes here and paid tax dollars to this province so you could fabricate a situation better then what it really is/was.


    The Party is still on Danny. Friday March 13th 2009 Confederation Building Grounds.

    Time has come for you to either answer the people, or be a man and step down to permit someone with a little more integrity and the due diligence to at least try to help those that have paid into the province for years.


    See you then.

  • Douglas
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    I wish Newfoundlanders, and yes I am one, would realize it WAS NOT Danny Williams who made us so prosperous in recent years. It was $100 barrell of oil. Williams was lucky, and it made him look like God. Please, stop drinking the Kool Aid.

  • Roy
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    I wonder how much Abitibi paid Mr Griffin and Mr. *icks to make these statements.

  • Bones
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    Far out man! Conspiracy on the Rock! I can't wait to see the movie, I wonder who'll play Danny?

    --Griffin wonders--

    When I got to that part, I wondered a little myself, lol. How did this obvious speculation make it into the news? Shouldn't news be a little more factual? I was thinking the saving of the mill jobs would have been a much bigger feather to put in your cap than what is suggested here. There is no spin that would make such an action acceptable to the people in Central, lol. Talk about a political nail in the coffin, lol.

    I predict it will not happen. If I'm supposed to have an open mind and consider it as a possibility, I respectfully request that the theorists also keep an open mind and realize that NOTHING has been said or done to make us think this action will become a reality. Open mindedness works both ways, right?

  • Michael
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    In reading the comments some people have left, I do not believe they are as informed as they think they are. One would need to read the entire letter of Mr. Griffin, rather than snipits taken from said letter and interpreted out of context.

    The issue for me is not what he said but rather he said it. The last time I checked we live in a democratic society which entitles us to free speech. Mr. Griffin voiced his opinion. If you agree or disagree is irrelevant.

    But to have the Premier and Minister Sullivan call him a traitor to the Newfoundland people and bring up personal matters is unacceptable. No leader should bully or have the right to bully people who have contrary opinions.

    Premier Williams is constantly talking of Prime Minister Harper's strong arm and undemocratic practices. He should step back, look in a mirror and say, Mark Griffin you bring up an interesting point. I do not agree with you, but if some people in Central Newfoundland are thinking that way, maybe I need to look into it. rather than a personal attack on a respected member of our community.

  • Graham
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Never ever use the words openness or honesty when talking about Danny Williams. Doing that is an insult to the rest of us. Nate see you on March 13th. What time do we need to be there? I will pick up Mr Bones on the way Im sure he wouldnt want to miss this party.

  • TOWNIE
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    DANNY SAID:
    It's really unfortunate when one of our own comes out and betrays us like that.
    Betrays us? He was only questioning your motives Danny. I don't feel betrayed. Don't use words like us anymore, as you certainly don't represetn my views.
    Then he also accused Yakabuski of having a game plan that is not in Newfoundland's interest. What the heck does that mean? I guess the Globe and Mail has an agenda for Nfld? I guess thier editorial board sits back every week ans says How are we going to screw Nfld this week?
    Thank God we don't live in police state Mark. You would be in trouble if we did. Your a pathetic, insecure little man Danny. Nflders will one day see the light. Hopefully sooner rather then later.

  • Frank
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    I am reading these comments, and I cannot understand why one cannot ask a question in this province of a most serious nature? If one sent a letter to the MHA in private,it would be buried so you have to send it to all in order to get a response. Then to be insulted and patriotism being questioned, is typical of this regime, one smart guy surrounded by ineffective, poorly informed ministers, bobble heads. Mr. Griffin's letter merely asked in very straightforward way what MOST people in Grand Falls Windsor are asking!!! So I guess we are all betrayers, to our community and our province.

    The MHA's in this region are mute, lack the insight, do not have the intellect or any vision and any communication ability to really navigate this tough time. A letter like Mr. Griffin's is what people here are thinking. Ift these MHAs did what they supposed to do I think such a letter would not have been written. These MHA's really do not really understand this complex problem and all of the related issues to the Mill closure.

    I think the Premier's betrayal comment against Mr. Griffin should read more like this

    Premier says What is this letter?! Where are Susan Sullivan, Ray Hunter and Clayton Forsey?

    Admin person says They are at the Avalon Mall

    Premier says ( rolling his eyes) Can you please ask them to meet me in 1 hour in my office

    The Central Dream Team shows up and say Yes Fearless Leader, you summoned us

    Premier says You three have betrayed me!!, why are you not finding out what people are actually thinking?! Why are you always at the Avalon Mall!! Why are you not out in your district doing what you are supposed to be doing Do I have to do everything myself!!

    The Central Dream Team huddles up Ok let us put out a press release that we have a task force in place! That should do it! Back to the Mall...

    NASTY NATE much be a a political hack. He really does not understand the issue.

    The betrayal comment by the Premier is an insult and is going to do nothing but stir the pot. I think Grand Falls-Windsor is going to be punished. Oh God, now we will have to ask Prime Minister for help.

  • Freedom of Speech
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    As I read many of your comment today, I think most respondents outside GFW haven't read the ENTIRE letter to Minister Sullivan that was published in the Advertiser. The CONSPIRACY THEORY is something the Globe and Mail generated. The article the Globe and the Telegram wrote only selected a few short lines from a 4 page letter.

    I am amazed by the backlash and the complete disrespect for our freeedom of speech. You may not like what he has to say but is Mr. Griffin a Traitor? From this point forward are Newfoundlanders and Labradorians not allowed to question the government? Where is our right to Freddom of Speech?

    As I see it, it was as an open letter in a local paper that all citizens are entiled to do.

    Fot those who may be interested in reading the entire letter you can check out the strory at www.municipalmatters.ca

    Hopefully this will put an end to the side show and get back to the real issues for the people of GFW, and the Exploits Region, which is what happens to the hydro and the fibre?

    Freedom of Speech

  • Bones
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Graham: Thanks for the offer, but I have transportation, however, there really isn't much to party about these days. Haven't you heard? The world is in the sh****er, and it's not Danny's fault, lol.

    Mike Wareham: You realize what is being suggested and you're ok with that? Without a shred of proof? Even though the company made the decision to leave? Amazing.

    I fail to see how a move like diverting this resource could ever be justified. There MUST be something had from that asset for the people who've lost their mill. It would be political suicide to suggest diverting this resource, they won't do it.

  • Nasty
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Dear Frank.

    So some of you seem to think that I am some sort of Political Hack. Mmmm, well lets just see what the definition of your accusation truly means,


    A Political Hack is a negative term ascribed to a person who is part of the political party apparatus, but whose intentions are more aligned with victory than personal conviction.


    From the definition you seem to wish I were a card carrying member of a political party to justify your one-sided approach to the issues we all face today. Clearly you failed to read or otherwise comprehend the clearly written statement where I reiterated my distain for any and all politicians due to the historically accurate comment I made regarding personal gains made by those elected to office to serve the population. This in its self is where the division lies. The people of this province and this country have had the blinders on for far too long insofar as to say that we have permitted those we elect to continue the abuse of power without recourse. Those in office have been able to do as they please without any repercussions for failed and abusive actions.


    Many only want the truth. Why would some find it to be such an insult when others demand from those we have placed into office honest and direct answers to questions if in fact we were not truly interested in progress of our fellow citizens, province and country rather then the status quo? Why would some feel it is appropriate for those we place into office to profit from the position, while at the same time the majority of the population sees jobs, homes and savings wither away?


    The problem with the Mill going under is due to the economic situation we all face, and the demands of Unions that have clearly demonstrated how far behind the times they really are. The fact that the Williams government has not been forthcoming with clear concise answers in a reasonable amount of time is one for the history books. Look at who really benefits and suffers now and in the future from these expropriations (theft) of hard assets rather then looking at a conspiracy theory that has been without merit so far. Should it be shown that the Williams Government did not want to play fair in bidding to purchase the assets like all others, and then proceeded to use political strong arm tactics of a dictatorship to acquire property to which they placed themselves in a position to abuse the said power, then we have an even bigger problem.


    To show I take no side other then the side of the people, those in both provincial and federal opposition parties have done little to aid in the discovery or shed any factual light on the current problems. Why have these opposition members not taken the steps to obtain the information we all desire answers to? We do have the option of the court system if government fails us, why have they not used it? The people of this province and this country deserve honest and open government, yet for many years we have been lied to, stolen from and mislead in every aspect by a select group of pathological swindlers. These people have pitted us against each other to cover up the facts. If we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves, it takes the spotlight off of them to enable further abuse.

    See you March 13th, 2009
    oilbusters@gmail.com

  • Hope for the future for
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    The problem, with Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, is that they do not stick together for the betterment of all in their own province.

    We are in a World DEPRESSION at the moment, not a RECESSION and things are going to take a while to work themselves out before Premier Williams will get things moving. The economies of the rest of the Economic World, that we deal with, will have to start percolating before Newfoundland and Labrador's new economy will get under way.

    When some people see a loophole where they can act as traitors, and to get paid well through Political Patronage for doing so, they are game to do whatever it takes. I

    t is a shocking illness that borders on crime and has been far too prevalent in this province, and it has cost our province and its people dearly, through the give-away of our Natural and Human Resources to other jurisdictions to create economies, while we remained economy-less.

    Once the people, of whom I speak, have committed themselves to such borderline criminal activity, they do not have to worry, they are taken care of for the rest of their lives, while the rest of us have to suffer economically for their betrayal, and we suffer in many other ways, as well, because of it.

    The prime malaise that we, as Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, have had to face over the past 60 years, is the traitor factor from the people of our own province, and I think some of these people (traitors) go and offer/present themselves to the other side, knowing full well that Ottawa would love to have them on its side, and Ottawa does not mind paying them very well for such services by rewarding them with, for example a Senatorship, Ambassadorship, Directorships, etc., etc., or maybe a contract to start a business?

    When it is proven that a person has done this, they need to have fingers pointed at them and their names need to be printed in the Media.

    It has happened far too often in the province of Newfoundland and Labrador and we all know of somebody or other, whether personally or not, who has committed such a borderline crime against their own people. It is, indeed, a shocking betrayal and it cannot be described in any other way.

    Such actions must be stopped, and it is up to the ordinary Newfoundlander and Labradorian to put an end to it through the exposure of such culprits.

    If any of you recognize having committed such activity or are planning on doing so in the future, please stop it immediately. Stopping it is the only cure for what ails the province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

  • J Allardice
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    It's happening all over we in Scotland have just lost our mill in Aberdeen and a while ago we lost the mill in fort William,It's world wide,not easy on the workers though.

  • Bonnie
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    Bones my love your something else. If any one can figure out what that something else is please let all of us know. I bet you have a picture of Danny on the wall next to your bed so he is the last thing you see before you go to sleep and the first thing you see when you wake up. Your devoted if nothing else. Devotion is a good quality Bones. Dogs are devoted to their master they have no real idea why they just are and they follow along putting total trust in whatever the master does. By the time the master gets to the groomers the dogs realise they are about to be fleeced but by then its too late. Danny Williams has been and continues to lead many of us Bones and people like you follow blindly and mindlessly along. No wonder Danny is so popular? Now Bones my love go get your collar on Danny wants to take you for a long walk. He will tell you where you going after you get there. If you dont like where he takes you he will say he had no choice its all Steves fault. In the event you get hurt bones you would be probably better off going to the vet. Our hospitals are under staffed anyway, but Danny and his clone Ross Wiseman tell us NO crisis here all is well. Danny rules in your world Bones, but the day is coming when we the people will send a strong message to the dog trainer Danny and you will take his picture off your bedroom wall and the nightmares will most likely end for you and for all of us. Friday March 13th 2009 truly a date to remember.

  • Shannon
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    Mike Wareham, I could not have said it better myself. That sums up Danny Williams and the Newfoundland and Labrador of today. It is revolting.

  • violet
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    Jes byes i wish EVERY Newfoundlander every where in this world would realize That it was Mr Joesph Smallwood that got us all IN THE MESS OUR PROVINCE IS IN ..AND OTHER PREMIERS WE HAD..Danny is trying his best to straighten out the mess we have been in for yearsssssssssssssssss..and yes Danny is not perfect No One is ...cut the man some slack ..and open your eyes..

  • Bones
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    Bonnie:You seem to know a lot about dogs, but next to nothing about me. You left yourself wide open for a canine-oriented insult there, but I will respect that you are a woman with feelings, lol. Show me where I once called William our god, our savior, our mentor, our healer or anything other than our premier. I've said it a dozen times, it doesn't matter who is the premier. I, as a proud NL'er wo loves my province, I like the path NL is on. I don't care who's driving as long as we stay safely on the road. Business that wishes to leave, can leave with what they came with, nothing. It's a complete coincidence that I agree with Williams position, lol, I guess he must love NL too?

    With companies pulling multi-million dollar payrolls out of communities and leaving them high and dry after decades of milking the resources, what would you have ANY government do differently than is happening now?

    I'll stick with my dog collar, thank you very much, it doesn't seem to be as harmful to me as those freakin horse blinders you and the rest of the haters seem to have on.

    For what it's worth, a friend of mine's surgery a few months back, went off without a hitch. Only for one reason, though, and it had nothing to do with Williams. You see, she was treated by a professional in the medical field, a professional who has a little pride in what he does, not a politician. Get it?

    Seems Bones is getting more attention than he's worth these days. Time for a new moniker maybe? It seems like some people here would rather beat on Bones than make a debatable argument, why is that?

    Calling me stupid, immature, young, nuts, a dog or any other animal will never hurt me. It's such a complete waste of time. I'm hearing on here a lot of the bad stuff being done by government but I see no factual information. I see daily conspiracy, hearsay, conjecture, speculation, and a general disrespect for the place I love and chose to call home. I see complete disrespect and disdain for an administration that is attempting to find long term solutions to problems that have plagued NL since Confederation. At the same time, I see our federal counterparts seemingly doing everything in their power to squat every penny and man hour they can out of NL, its resources, and its workforce......military personnel included.

  • NL_Expatriate
    July 01, 2010 - 20:22

    Abitibi bowater

    some facts for clarification so you need not find yourself in the embarrassing position of being on the wrong side of a losing argument.
    1. Abitibi Bowater expropriation of assets.
    The NL gov't didn't unilaterally end the business relationship. AB did with their actions to close the Grand Falls Windsor Paper Mill.
    As to the legality of taking back ownership of the Hydro assets, AB broke one of the covenants contained in the agreement itself with the mill's closure, they have no rights in NL to provincial resources whatsoever.
    They do however have an expectation to be compensated for infrastructure they built. That is fair and will be taken care of by NL is due course.
    I'd suggest reading the following links:
    www.releases.gov.nl.ca/.../1216n07.htm
    www.theglobeandmail.com/.../AbitibiCharter.pdf

    The Star Lake Power Plant cost Abitibi about 50 million to build in 1998.

    Timber rights were given to them to produce paper...No paper, therefore no timber rights.

    I guess the 250 million must be a good will payment!!

    Read the Danger tree.

  • greg
    July 01, 2010 - 20:20

    No, no. They would not do that. Nor would they hire their friends and relatives into plum jobs , give 15 million to a cable company or interfere with the selection of Mun's President or give us third world health care or have tens of thousands of us on boil water orders. No, they wouldn't do that. Perish the thought! Nothing could be further from the truth!

  • Johnny
    July 01, 2010 - 20:18

    I'd tell people complaining about Premier Williams' motives to show proof. And unless the media have been provided with proof, they shouldn't be publishing conspiracy theories.

    Newsprint demand is in decline and the newsprint business has been decimated. The medium is going digital: I read The Telegram daily, but haven't bought a paper copy in years.

    I've always said that for mills to survive, they have to make what people want: computer paper and toilet paper.

    What disappoints me is that it doesn't appear that any of the $800 million stimulus package announced last week will be spent in central. Furthermore, courses at the College in GFW are minimal. Yet, we don't see many community leaders complaining much about these issues.

  • Richard
    July 01, 2010 - 20:16

    Roy - probably the same amount the Premier's office pays you.

  • Robert88
    July 01, 2010 - 20:16

    Let's not let petty politics and outsiders work to divide and conquer us. Now more then ever people in this province need to stick together. We need to stand up to the likes of Abitibi, the Federal Government and the like. Stay the course Premier Williams.

  • Peter
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    Mike.. A very good post.

    This is a govt. that applies an attackl mode to every issue that comes along. There are some good questions in the Griffin letter and for someone who disagrees to attack him is mean spirited. Who cares if this guy wants to run for public office. He is asking the question Ray Hunter Clayton Forsey and Susan Sullivan should have been asking on behalf of the people.

    The Premier is out of line but the Central MHA's are blind to their role in all of this. Thank God there are at least a few good men/women that are not afraid to at least ask the questions. A 100 yr old business that fed the area is lost forever and to ask a few questions regarding the issue you are branded a traitor. Susan is becoming a major dissappintment if she supports this shameless attack on Mr. Griffin.

  • Mike
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    Bones: Please reread my original comment. Nowhere does it say I'm okay with what is being suggested. My point, which you either missed completely or chose not to acknowledge, was that Williams' comment was typical Danny I'm right, you're wrong, how dare you question me. Now how can I get back at you?

    Danny is certainly one to hold a grudge and vindictiveness is not an endearing trait. Ultimately, it does more harm than good. No matter how you choose to view the Williams administration today, it's bound to be a large part of his legacy.

    For proof, just read today's headline story.

  • garigola
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    It,s time for people like MARK GRIFFIN to act responsibly & quit the politicking. . I.m so greatful that you 2 are not in provincial govt. I,ve known all the GRIFFIN families from grand falls, but never thought i,d see one that was so off track to post a statement like MARK did.. Stick to your lawyer business& for god sake & stay clear of politics.

  • Hope for the future for
    July 01, 2010 - 20:09

    I smell Mr. Yakabuski`s presence here on behalf of the Investor Community of AbitibiBowaters and the Federal Government.

    I have a strong feeling that he is interfering here on behalf of both of these entities in the name of the AbitibiBowaters Investment Community and the Free Trade Community (NAFTA) which only served to build economies in the other parts of Canada. Be assured it is not the Grand Falls/Windsor employees of the now defunct AbitibiBowaters`Mill that he is looking out for. Please get that straight my fellow colleagues of Grand Falls/Windsor, it is Premier Williams in the end who has that interest at heart, and I am sure he will do something for the people there when the opportunity arises.

    Please keep that firmly in your minds, since neither the Federal Government or the Globe and Mail ever had the interests of creating economies in Newfoundland and Labrador at heart, when they focused on the Natural and Human Resources belonging to the province of Newfoundland and Labrador, the focus was always on extracting those resources and shipping them off for the benefit of the other provinces and then giving our people a brutal kick in the face on the way out.

    An accounting of those rich resources is FISH, HYDROELECTRIC ENERGY, MINERALS of all types, and OIL. Who are those rich natural resources working for and how about our HUMAN resource. You all have had to follow your resources to other parts of Canada to work them, didn't you?

    All we have to do now to understand what is going on is follow the writings of Mr. Yakabuski in the Globe and Mail.

    I strongly suspect that both of the above entities are trying to stir up MORE trouble for Premier Williams on behalf of AbitibiBowaters, as both of these entities have been doing for a long time now, the type of interference which has kept the province of Newfoundland and Labrador economically backwards for 60 years, or ever since it has been part of Canada.

    Given the rich natural resource base and great geographic strategic location (situated half way between Europe and North America) that Newfoundland and Labrador was endowed with by nature, our province should have been the richest economically in the Nation, but please listen, there was interference from those who had interests and those interests were not on behalf of the province of NL.

    We know that AbitibiBowaters does not have the interests of the Grand Falls' people at heart, but instead their Investor Community.

    By the way Paul Waldie wrote an article for the Globe and Mail last week which is worth reading.

    If you wish to read the article, go to the Globe and Mail Site and type the words Newfoundland and Labrador in the Search box and the article should reveal itself along with many other articles on the province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

  • Manny
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    Robert88 from Newfoundland and Labrador writes: Let's not let petty politics and outsiders work to divide and conquer us. Now more then ever people in this province need to stick together. We need to stand up to the likes of Abitibi, the Federal Government and the like. Stay the course Premier Williams.

    AGREED! NL has the highest per capita debt in the country. What could have been the richest province in Canada is instead the poorest. A large percentage of this has been caused by federal policies and actions. Without a strong leader like Williams, NL may never become financially stable, and people will leave in droves once again. If this guy can't turn around NL's fortunes no one will. You naysayers just casn't see the big picture.

  • David
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    In this same edition, there's an article debating Joey's legacy as a saint or a dictator.

    Weird, eh?

  • Tom
    July 01, 2010 - 20:05

    I cannot believe the Premier would say traitor regarding Mr. Griffin. That is totally uncalled for.

    For anyone who has read Mr. Griffin's letter to Minister Sullivan, it was quite evident that he was ASKING IMPORTANT QUESTIONS . He did not accuse anyone of anything other than ask for government to come forward and answer the questions that needed to be answered for the residents of the Central Newfoundland area regarding the resources. I would like the questions posed by Mr. Griffin answered also. Does that make me a traitor to the province? If so, so much for freedom of speech.

    Since when did it become wrong to ask questions to our politicians? God help us if that is the case. I am not an anti-Williams in anyway, but, I am disappointed that he would chose to depict Mr. Griffin in this way. What I would like to have seen is for Mr. Williams and his government members simply answer the intelligent questions posed by Mr. Griffin. The main questions of interest is this:

    Will the resources (timber and power) be available for another industry to come to the Central Newfoundland area?

    For those of you who say negative things about Mr. Griffin, I am betting that none of you bothered to even read what he wrote. Shame on the lot of you!

  • NL_Expatriate
    July 01, 2010 - 20:05

    Liberal, or Conservative whatever it doesn't matter what national PROXY party you elect MP's to, they are all the same when you belong to a minority province in this phoney federation. All of the national PROXY parties have to work within the same tyranny of the majority political system where in order to win power you need to be on the good side of the majority and the majority in this federation live in Upper/Lower Canada, 66% to be exact and further to that some 50% of the canadian population live in urban cities none of which are in NL.

    You must be delusional if you think any national party will go to bat for 1.5% of the population and that includes any MP you might elect to any of the national PROXY parties.

    Sure we don't even comprise the margin of error in the polls which is usually 3%. It isn't the national PROXY parties we need to change, it is the political system of Democratic Discrimination against the minority provinces by all of the national PROXY parties in favor of electioneering in the majority provinces.

    You could be playing this game till the cows come home of electing one or the other national PROXY parties of Upper/Lower canada and expecting a different result.

    It is time to stop the insanity, of doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    These are all only the symptoms of our problems in confederation, the root cause of all of our place in this federation is our lack of equality.

    If you really want to send a message to this confederation then tell your elected MP's to stop Toeing their national PROXY parties line of doing whats in the best interest of the Upper/Lower Canada majority to get elected and cross the floor to stand up for Newfoundland and Labrador First!

    As for defeating the budget it can only be done with the Liberals or in the Senate that is assuming Iggy doesn't tell the Liberal majority of senators to pass it Like Dion did, So much for sober second thought. The senate is nothing but an extension of the systemically flawed House Of Commons Per Capita Colonialism by all of the national PROXY parties of the Upper/Lower Canada majority.

    EQUALITY OR EXIT!

  • Really
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    This has to be the stupidest article I have read.

    I don't really like our little Napoleon ... Danny, but a) to accuse him of sacraficing GFW for Long Harbour is foolish. As well it is the employees of the Mill that reject restructuring proposals.

    Paper is dying ... less and less is getting printed. Things are being stored electronically. Everybody wants to make a wheelbarrow full of $$ but the simple question should have been, are we better of with just a fistfull of cash job or do we take our chances and have no job.

    To me the answer is easy. Just ASK the For UAW workers.

  • David
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    And unless the media have been provided with proof, they shouldn't be publishing conspiracy theories.


    Conspiracy theories about Danny Williams, or about things in general? There's plenty of conspiracy theories about how the Federal government or Quebec or the Foreigners or someone is out to get us. The media perhaps should stop printing those too, especially when the only source of the conspiracy is Danny himself.

  • GFW Resident
    July 01, 2010 - 20:02

    I have relatives that have worked at the mill, just as Mr. Griffin. I don't believe that Danny is to blame for the mill closing its doors. I also believe that government is trying to keep what belongs to the province, even if it means acquiring its power assets. This is better for the province to have something to offer its people, than nothing. I truly believe that Mr. Griffin is trying to obtain political gain for heroism in a personal attack towards the government. That mill has been falling apart for many years and Abitibi didn't want to invest in it. Mr. Griffin realizes that an election is due in the fall in this community and I believe he has ran into the past one without any success. He certainly won't get my vote. I believe this is what Mr. Griffin's rant is all about.

  • Mike
    July 01, 2010 - 20:01

    The quote by Williams It's really unfortunate when one of our own comes out and betrays us like that - sums up, quite succinctly, his mentality and the problems with the Williams administration. It's a microcosm of Danny's approach to governance and practically defines his legacy - it's my way or the highway and naysayers (or truth seekers) be d*mned. I'm right, you're wrong and if I want your opinion, I'll give it to you. The irony in the caption of the top story Saint or dictator - can't be lost here.

    We live in what can only be described as an oppressive state when legitimate questions cannot be asked let alone answered. When voices of dissent are banished to the hinterland. When personal grudges outweigh common sense. When pettiness is the norm, not the exception.

    Without a strong Opposition, it's incumbent of others journalists, government officials and the general public - to ask questions and hold the government accountable. And as Edward R. Morrow stated We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty.

    Williams and his fighting Newfoundlander mentality play well to the masses and he is seen by some as a knight in shining armour. But the gleam has faded. What's left is for us to ponder what could have been.

  • Rich
    July 01, 2010 - 20:00

    Jeez bye, give the man a break! He's defending it for the Province . Wait until the gov. expropriates it first. The negativity that we hear whenever Danny Williams name comes up for anything is unbelievable. Its people like you, Mr Griffin, that make people in other provinces laugh at Nflder's. Why couldn't address the premiers office with these concerns. But, i guess you wouldn't get any free media thay way. and as for people questioning why the mill closed, wake up. Haven't you been watching the news. abitibi couldn't get the people to work for nothing, so they went home.

  • Mark
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    ''It's really unfortunate when one of our own comes out and betrays us like that,''Williams said of Griffin.

    This is one of the most despicable acts of a politician I've ever witnessed. It's shocking that so many of you continue to tolerate his behaviour.

    The Premier of our province has no right to make such disparaging comments about people who happen to disagree with him.

  • Hope for the future for
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    I am just waiting for two of the names which are mentioned in the article to appear on the ballots in the upcoming Federal Election, but before that I am sure they will be bestowed with a piece of the Political Patronage Pie.

  • Nasty
    July 01, 2010 - 19:55

    (Note Ken's Lastname Can Not Be Used Due To Poor Software Used By The Telegram)

    I have stated before, and I shall spell it out yet again for those that are just a little slow or hard of hearing. I have no love for ANY politician. History shows that every elected official around the world has at one point or another used the position entrusted to them by the people for personal gain.


    Now what the conspiracy theorists may or may not think such as Ken *icks, a pharmacist and owner of Central Pharmacy in Grand Falls-Windsor, also has questions about why the mill closed.


    If the mill closed because the demand for paper is in the tank, people can probably accept that. If it closed for some other agenda, people won't accept that, he told The Telegram recently.


    Maybe Mr. *icks should start to use the Methadone he peddles rather then the crack pipe. It seems he has not been keeping up on the global situation since as an afterthought he considered the legitimate and factual reason for the closure. Did he not know that the global demand for newsprint had fallen off; did he not hear that even Transmedia (The Telegrams Parent Company) was on the layoff band wagon like many other corporations to the tune of 1500 positions to start?


    Well Mr. *ick, your first assumption would be correct. Lack of demand for a product would result in the end of production or sales. Should he stock his shelves with medications that are not being sold? Maybe if he is a poor business owner.


    As for Danny Williams, he better start to include those in this province that he took office to serve. His off handed comments of bringing more trades people back to the province while thousands sit unemployed should be considered treason. Deal with the issues looking you in the face before trying to drag others back to this province to further desperation and poverty. What are you really trying to do? You went to Fort McMurray three years ago. You stood at the Sawridge begging people to come home. Well what have you done for them so far? Many of those that came back still have nothing and needed to leave yet again, but kept homes here and paid tax dollars to this province so you could fabricate a situation better then what it really is/was.


    The Party is still on Danny. Friday March 13th 2009 Confederation Building Grounds.

    Time has come for you to either answer the people, or be a man and step down to permit someone with a little more integrity and the due diligence to at least try to help those that have paid into the province for years.


    See you then.

  • Douglas
    July 01, 2010 - 19:54

    I wish Newfoundlanders, and yes I am one, would realize it WAS NOT Danny Williams who made us so prosperous in recent years. It was $100 barrell of oil. Williams was lucky, and it made him look like God. Please, stop drinking the Kool Aid.

  • Roy
    July 01, 2010 - 19:54

    I wonder how much Abitibi paid Mr Griffin and Mr. *icks to make these statements.

  • Bones
    July 01, 2010 - 19:54

    Far out man! Conspiracy on the Rock! I can't wait to see the movie, I wonder who'll play Danny?

    --Griffin wonders--

    When I got to that part, I wondered a little myself, lol. How did this obvious speculation make it into the news? Shouldn't news be a little more factual? I was thinking the saving of the mill jobs would have been a much bigger feather to put in your cap than what is suggested here. There is no spin that would make such an action acceptable to the people in Central, lol. Talk about a political nail in the coffin, lol.

    I predict it will not happen. If I'm supposed to have an open mind and consider it as a possibility, I respectfully request that the theorists also keep an open mind and realize that NOTHING has been said or done to make us think this action will become a reality. Open mindedness works both ways, right?

  • Michael
    July 01, 2010 - 19:51

    In reading the comments some people have left, I do not believe they are as informed as they think they are. One would need to read the entire letter of Mr. Griffin, rather than snipits taken from said letter and interpreted out of context.

    The issue for me is not what he said but rather he said it. The last time I checked we live in a democratic society which entitles us to free speech. Mr. Griffin voiced his opinion. If you agree or disagree is irrelevant.

    But to have the Premier and Minister Sullivan call him a traitor to the Newfoundland people and bring up personal matters is unacceptable. No leader should bully or have the right to bully people who have contrary opinions.

    Premier Williams is constantly talking of Prime Minister Harper's strong arm and undemocratic practices. He should step back, look in a mirror and say, Mark Griffin you bring up an interesting point. I do not agree with you, but if some people in Central Newfoundland are thinking that way, maybe I need to look into it. rather than a personal attack on a respected member of our community.

  • Graham
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    Never ever use the words openness or honesty when talking about Danny Williams. Doing that is an insult to the rest of us. Nate see you on March 13th. What time do we need to be there? I will pick up Mr Bones on the way Im sure he wouldnt want to miss this party.

  • TOWNIE
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    DANNY SAID:
    It's really unfortunate when one of our own comes out and betrays us like that.
    Betrays us? He was only questioning your motives Danny. I don't feel betrayed. Don't use words like us anymore, as you certainly don't represetn my views.
    Then he also accused Yakabuski of having a game plan that is not in Newfoundland's interest. What the heck does that mean? I guess the Globe and Mail has an agenda for Nfld? I guess thier editorial board sits back every week ans says How are we going to screw Nfld this week?
    Thank God we don't live in police state Mark. You would be in trouble if we did. Your a pathetic, insecure little man Danny. Nflders will one day see the light. Hopefully sooner rather then later.

  • Frank
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    I am reading these comments, and I cannot understand why one cannot ask a question in this province of a most serious nature? If one sent a letter to the MHA in private,it would be buried so you have to send it to all in order to get a response. Then to be insulted and patriotism being questioned, is typical of this regime, one smart guy surrounded by ineffective, poorly informed ministers, bobble heads. Mr. Griffin's letter merely asked in very straightforward way what MOST people in Grand Falls Windsor are asking!!! So I guess we are all betrayers, to our community and our province.

    The MHA's in this region are mute, lack the insight, do not have the intellect or any vision and any communication ability to really navigate this tough time. A letter like Mr. Griffin's is what people here are thinking. Ift these MHAs did what they supposed to do I think such a letter would not have been written. These MHA's really do not really understand this complex problem and all of the related issues to the Mill closure.

    I think the Premier's betrayal comment against Mr. Griffin should read more like this

    Premier says What is this letter?! Where are Susan Sullivan, Ray Hunter and Clayton Forsey?

    Admin person says They are at the Avalon Mall

    Premier says ( rolling his eyes) Can you please ask them to meet me in 1 hour in my office

    The Central Dream Team shows up and say Yes Fearless Leader, you summoned us

    Premier says You three have betrayed me!!, why are you not finding out what people are actually thinking?! Why are you always at the Avalon Mall!! Why are you not out in your district doing what you are supposed to be doing Do I have to do everything myself!!

    The Central Dream Team huddles up Ok let us put out a press release that we have a task force in place! That should do it! Back to the Mall...

    NASTY NATE much be a a political hack. He really does not understand the issue.

    The betrayal comment by the Premier is an insult and is going to do nothing but stir the pot. I think Grand Falls-Windsor is going to be punished. Oh God, now we will have to ask Prime Minister for help.

  • Freedom of Speech
    July 01, 2010 - 19:47

    As I read many of your comment today, I think most respondents outside GFW haven't read the ENTIRE letter to Minister Sullivan that was published in the Advertiser. The CONSPIRACY THEORY is something the Globe and Mail generated. The article the Globe and the Telegram wrote only selected a few short lines from a 4 page letter.

    I am amazed by the backlash and the complete disrespect for our freeedom of speech. You may not like what he has to say but is Mr. Griffin a Traitor? From this point forward are Newfoundlanders and Labradorians not allowed to question the government? Where is our right to Freddom of Speech?

    As I see it, it was as an open letter in a local paper that all citizens are entiled to do.

    Fot those who may be interested in reading the entire letter you can check out the strory at www.municipalmatters.ca

    Hopefully this will put an end to the side show and get back to the real issues for the people of GFW, and the Exploits Region, which is what happens to the hydro and the fibre?

    Freedom of Speech

  • Bones
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    Graham: Thanks for the offer, but I have transportation, however, there really isn't much to party about these days. Haven't you heard? The world is in the sh****er, and it's not Danny's fault, lol.

    Mike Wareham: You realize what is being suggested and you're ok with that? Without a shred of proof? Even though the company made the decision to leave? Amazing.

    I fail to see how a move like diverting this resource could ever be justified. There MUST be something had from that asset for the people who've lost their mill. It would be political suicide to suggest diverting this resource, they won't do it.

  • Nasty
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    Dear Frank.

    So some of you seem to think that I am some sort of Political Hack. Mmmm, well lets just see what the definition of your accusation truly means,


    A Political Hack is a negative term ascribed to a person who is part of the political party apparatus, but whose intentions are more aligned with victory than personal conviction.


    From the definition you seem to wish I were a card carrying member of a political party to justify your one-sided approach to the issues we all face today. Clearly you failed to read or otherwise comprehend the clearly written statement where I reiterated my distain for any and all politicians due to the historically accurate comment I made regarding personal gains made by those elected to office to serve the population. This in its self is where the division lies. The people of this province and this country have had the blinders on for far too long insofar as to say that we have permitted those we elect to continue the abuse of power without recourse. Those in office have been able to do as they please without any repercussions for failed and abusive actions.


    Many only want the truth. Why would some find it to be such an insult when others demand from those we have placed into office honest and direct answers to questions if in fact we were not truly interested in progress of our fellow citizens, province and country rather then the status quo? Why would some feel it is appropriate for those we place into office to profit from the position, while at the same time the majority of the population sees jobs, homes and savings wither away?


    The problem with the Mill going under is due to the economic situation we all face, and the demands of Unions that have clearly demonstrated how far behind the times they really are. The fact that the Williams government has not been forthcoming with clear concise answers in a reasonable amount of time is one for the history books. Look at who really benefits and suffers now and in the future from these expropriations (theft) of hard assets rather then looking at a conspiracy theory that has been without merit so far. Should it be shown that the Williams Government did not want to play fair in bidding to purchase the assets like all others, and then proceeded to use political strong arm tactics of a dictatorship to acquire property to which they placed themselves in a position to abuse the said power, then we have an even bigger problem.


    To show I take no side other then the side of the people, those in both provincial and federal opposition parties have done little to aid in the discovery or shed any factual light on the current problems. Why have these opposition members not taken the steps to obtain the information we all desire answers to? We do have the option of the court system if government fails us, why have they not used it? The people of this province and this country deserve honest and open government, yet for many years we have been lied to, stolen from and mislead in every aspect by a select group of pathological swindlers. These people have pitted us against each other to cover up the facts. If we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves, it takes the spotlight off of them to enable further abuse.

    See you March 13th, 2009
    oilbusters@gmail.com

  • Hope for the future for
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    The problem, with Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, is that they do not stick together for the betterment of all in their own province.

    We are in a World DEPRESSION at the moment, not a RECESSION and things are going to take a while to work themselves out before Premier Williams will get things moving. The economies of the rest of the Economic World, that we deal with, will have to start percolating before Newfoundland and Labrador's new economy will get under way.

    When some people see a loophole where they can act as traitors, and to get paid well through Political Patronage for doing so, they are game to do whatever it takes. I

    t is a shocking illness that borders on crime and has been far too prevalent in this province, and it has cost our province and its people dearly, through the give-away of our Natural and Human Resources to other jurisdictions to create economies, while we remained economy-less.

    Once the people, of whom I speak, have committed themselves to such borderline criminal activity, they do not have to worry, they are taken care of for the rest of their lives, while the rest of us have to suffer economically for their betrayal, and we suffer in many other ways, as well, because of it.

    The prime malaise that we, as Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, have had to face over the past 60 years, is the traitor factor from the people of our own province, and I think some of these people (traitors) go and offer/present themselves to the other side, knowing full well that Ottawa would love to have them on its side, and Ottawa does not mind paying them very well for such services by rewarding them with, for example a Senatorship, Ambassadorship, Directorships, etc., etc., or maybe a contract to start a business?

    When it is proven that a person has done this, they need to have fingers pointed at them and their names need to be printed in the Media.

    It has happened far too often in the province of Newfoundland and Labrador and we all know of somebody or other, whether personally or not, who has committed such a borderline crime against their own people. It is, indeed, a shocking betrayal and it cannot be described in any other way.

    Such actions must be stopped, and it is up to the ordinary Newfoundlander and Labradorian to put an end to it through the exposure of such culprits.

    If any of you recognize having committed such activity or are planning on doing so in the future, please stop it immediately. Stopping it is the only cure for what ails the province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

  • J Allardice
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    It's happening all over we in Scotland have just lost our mill in Aberdeen and a while ago we lost the mill in fort William,It's world wide,not easy on the workers though.

  • Bonnie
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    Bones my love your something else. If any one can figure out what that something else is please let all of us know. I bet you have a picture of Danny on the wall next to your bed so he is the last thing you see before you go to sleep and the first thing you see when you wake up. Your devoted if nothing else. Devotion is a good quality Bones. Dogs are devoted to their master they have no real idea why they just are and they follow along putting total trust in whatever the master does. By the time the master gets to the groomers the dogs realise they are about to be fleeced but by then its too late. Danny Williams has been and continues to lead many of us Bones and people like you follow blindly and mindlessly along. No wonder Danny is so popular? Now Bones my love go get your collar on Danny wants to take you for a long walk. He will tell you where you going after you get there. If you dont like where he takes you he will say he had no choice its all Steves fault. In the event you get hurt bones you would be probably better off going to the vet. Our hospitals are under staffed anyway, but Danny and his clone Ross Wiseman tell us NO crisis here all is well. Danny rules in your world Bones, but the day is coming when we the people will send a strong message to the dog trainer Danny and you will take his picture off your bedroom wall and the nightmares will most likely end for you and for all of us. Friday March 13th 2009 truly a date to remember.

  • Shannon
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    Mike Wareham, I could not have said it better myself. That sums up Danny Williams and the Newfoundland and Labrador of today. It is revolting.