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  • Polly
    July 02, 2010 - 13:35

    Reddikillowatt ----------- the fact that you took the time to comment here with what appeared at first sight to be a legitimate argument, soon floundered with your personal attack on Ms. Jones.

  • chris
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    I think that they should also ask for retro going back to the time that the Good Will clause was made part of Quebec's law, see if that makes Quebec think twice about going to court rather than settle out of court.

  • Bert
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    An investment of 4 or 5 Million with a chance to gain 500 million a year for the next 31 years seems like a good decision. I base this on the new law that the Quebec government recently instituted which seems to cover this particular situation.

  • don
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    What a colossal waste of tax payer money this case is going to be! This case will be just another in a string of court room defeats and public embarrassments for Newfoundland and Labrador. NALCOR wants the Quebec Superior Court to rule that the contract is null and void because of bad faith negotiation. Good luck with that! NALCOR wants the Quebec Superior Court to rule that an escalator clause be inserted in the Upper Churchill Falls hydro agreement which would allow Newfoundland to raise the price of electricity which it sells to Hydro-Quebec. That clause should have been in the original contract in 1969. NALCOR wants the Quebec Superior Court to rule that a re-opener clause be inserted in the contract to allow Newfoundland to change the terms and conditions of the contract. That clause should have been in the original contract in 1969. NALCOR wants the Quebec Superior Court to rule that a force major clause be inserted in the contract to allow Newfoundland to shield itself and save itself harmless from unforeseen circumstances. That clause should have been in the original contract in 1969. However, none of these clauses were in the original contact because of the stupidity of the Newfoundland negotiators of the contract. The Quebec Superior Court will NEVER allow the contract to be amended or quashed and the Supreme Court of Canada will NEVER allow an appeal of the matter to be heard. A deal is a deal and Newfoundland should accept that it made a big mistake and live with the consequences. Give it up and quit whining! The only winners from this farce will be Dictator Danny and his public opinion poll numbers and the lawyers involved. Danny and the boys know that high profile save Newfoundland cases result in big legal fees means more money for the lads condos, vacations and BMW's! Tell gullible Newfoundlanders that you are fighting for them and they will hoist you to their shoulders and parade you around like a conquering hero. What a joke!

  • Paul
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    Should be sueing the Canadian Gov't. They were requested to uphold the free energy transfer across provincial boundaries but refused. It was that decision that led to Nfld having to deal with Quebec and eventually through various reasons end up with a ridiculous contract. This is just the whole concept of Canada being Que/Ont and the rest the colonies to be used and abused as they see fit. Still goes on today and unless we get a real senate with equal representation and real power or the country splits into more sensible parts, then it will always be this way.

  • Reddikillowatt
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    I see no reason why Quebec Hydro should not be challenged on this. At some point, we have to take it on faith that the government and/or NALCOR have done their homework and feel there is a chance that there could be a favourable ruling.

    Of course the opposition Liberals headed up by Ms. Jones (Drew Carey's look-a-like) are against this, they are the opposition, the exist to OPPOSE.

  • Bert
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    I love the defeatist attitude of Don,Nasty Nate and Michael!!! I wonder would they feel the same if it was a LiberaL GOVT. taking this to court, or are they just defeatest by nature.

  • Nasty
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    I. P. Freely from NL writes: I would like to see them launch a new court challenge every month untill 2041. Money well spent in my opinion. Anything we cando, anything, that will ruffle the feathers of Quebec is a bargain.

    No wonder Newfoundland has been in debt for so many years. People like IP tossing money into a sinking ship in an attempt to plug the hole.

    A contract can only be modified if BOTH parties agree. What part of that simple equation is so hard to comprehend for some people? You do not get to have your cake and eat it too.

    Try to say you do not want to follow the terms and conditions on your loan document and see how far that will get you. Now you can start to see the issues here. Pasts leaders were not thinking of the future, as many people fail to consider the actions taken today and how it will impact everyone down the road. We made our beds, and now we need to sleep in them. No one held a gun to anyones head on this contract now did they?

  • George
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    Bryce, my thoughts exactly, just flick the switch for an hour at suppertime in Quebec and peak time in NY, include breakfast time too and you will soon see a positive reaction. I doubt there is any contract that promises uninterupted service.

  • I. P. Freely
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    Hey Don, from reading the last couple of lines in your post it sounds to me as if you are describing that great liberal Brian Tobin. He was the one who rode in here on his white horse and got everyone's hopes up that we finally had someone who would fight for us, then as soon as he got want he wanted he quit and left us high and dry. At least with Mr. Williams you have someone who, despite his enormous wealth, has choosen to stay here and fight. You Don are the joke, you are a sad, sad joke.

  • Deals
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    Manuel Clark Wrote: We didnt make this deal, a man getting major kickbacks for him and his family made the deal and convinced Newfoundland it was good for them.

    No but we did elect him to represent us. We should have put a stop to it then if it was such a bad deal. Too bad hindsight is 20/20 eh!

  • don
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    To I.P. Freely: You are right, Brian Tobin did use that old saving Newfoundland trick to drive up his opinion poll numbers and garner a bunch of votes. In the end, he had to give back the boat and the fish he seized in the turbot war. Tobin's senseless bloodletting of the civil service and the demolition of the denominational school system were a real bust. Clyde Wells used the same old saving Newfoundland trick and promised to bring home every mothers son from the mainland. Brian Peckford used the saving Newfoundland trick and lost court cases by the truckload trying to prove it. The Feds gave us a piece of the offshore oil because they pitied us or got sick and tired of our whining. Williams, Tobin, Wells and Peckford all learned that old saving Newfoundland political trick from the guy who invented it, the master of deception himself, Joesph R. Smallwood. Dictator Danny is just taking the old saving Newfoundland scam out for another spin. It just goes to show that the gullible people in Newfoundland and Labrador will fall for the same old saving Newfoundland trick over and over and over again. What is wrong with these lemmings, stunned or what? No political favorites here pal, they're all alike to me!

  • Michael
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    When are NL governments going to get it through there head(s) that we're stuck with this deal until 2041?

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Win or lose in court, Newfoundland and Labrador is doing the right thing in this latest attempt to correct a shameful injustice.

  • Jonathan
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    Ummm Manual how did Joey get this deal through exacts?? and what did he gain from it?

    If you have no idea of what you are talking about then you shouldn't point fingers.

    http://www.mun.ca/harriscentre/policy/memorialpresents/2008c/churchill_falls_video.php

    Joey Smallwood had no participation in the negotiations. The deal is as it is today is due to some bad decisions by CFLco and strong arming by HydroQuebec.

    And you don't have to believe me. Just watch the video above... It is the most comprehensive and accurate history for the Upper Churchill deal that I have seen.

  • I. P. Freely
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    I would like to see them launch a new court challenge every month untill 2041. Money well spent in my opinion. Anything we cando, anything, that will ruffle the feathers of Quebec is a bargain.

  • Bryce
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    Good Faith provisions of Quebec law will do nothing for Newfoundland.It never did,it never will.Turn off the hydro and deal with the fallout .When the lights go out in New York,Quebec will have no choice but to bargain in good faith including a No Penalty clause against Newfoundland for turning off the hydro.Danny Williams could become a real hero and could do a real photo op as he turns on the switch at Churchill Falls.

  • Polly
    July 01, 2010 - 20:25

    Reddikillowatt ----------- the fact that you took the time to comment here with what appeared at first sight to be a legitimate argument, soon floundered with your personal attack on Ms. Jones.

  • chris
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    I think that they should also ask for retro going back to the time that the Good Will clause was made part of Quebec's law, see if that makes Quebec think twice about going to court rather than settle out of court.

  • Bert
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    An investment of 4 or 5 Million with a chance to gain 500 million a year for the next 31 years seems like a good decision. I base this on the new law that the Quebec government recently instituted which seems to cover this particular situation.

  • don
    July 01, 2010 - 20:15

    What a colossal waste of tax payer money this case is going to be! This case will be just another in a string of court room defeats and public embarrassments for Newfoundland and Labrador. NALCOR wants the Quebec Superior Court to rule that the contract is null and void because of bad faith negotiation. Good luck with that! NALCOR wants the Quebec Superior Court to rule that an escalator clause be inserted in the Upper Churchill Falls hydro agreement which would allow Newfoundland to raise the price of electricity which it sells to Hydro-Quebec. That clause should have been in the original contract in 1969. NALCOR wants the Quebec Superior Court to rule that a re-opener clause be inserted in the contract to allow Newfoundland to change the terms and conditions of the contract. That clause should have been in the original contract in 1969. NALCOR wants the Quebec Superior Court to rule that a force major clause be inserted in the contract to allow Newfoundland to shield itself and save itself harmless from unforeseen circumstances. That clause should have been in the original contract in 1969. However, none of these clauses were in the original contact because of the stupidity of the Newfoundland negotiators of the contract. The Quebec Superior Court will NEVER allow the contract to be amended or quashed and the Supreme Court of Canada will NEVER allow an appeal of the matter to be heard. A deal is a deal and Newfoundland should accept that it made a big mistake and live with the consequences. Give it up and quit whining! The only winners from this farce will be Dictator Danny and his public opinion poll numbers and the lawyers involved. Danny and the boys know that high profile save Newfoundland cases result in big legal fees means more money for the lads condos, vacations and BMW's! Tell gullible Newfoundlanders that you are fighting for them and they will hoist you to their shoulders and parade you around like a conquering hero. What a joke!

  • Paul
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    Should be sueing the Canadian Gov't. They were requested to uphold the free energy transfer across provincial boundaries but refused. It was that decision that led to Nfld having to deal with Quebec and eventually through various reasons end up with a ridiculous contract. This is just the whole concept of Canada being Que/Ont and the rest the colonies to be used and abused as they see fit. Still goes on today and unless we get a real senate with equal representation and real power or the country splits into more sensible parts, then it will always be this way.

  • Reddikillowatt
    July 01, 2010 - 20:04

    I see no reason why Quebec Hydro should not be challenged on this. At some point, we have to take it on faith that the government and/or NALCOR have done their homework and feel there is a chance that there could be a favourable ruling.

    Of course the opposition Liberals headed up by Ms. Jones (Drew Carey's look-a-like) are against this, they are the opposition, the exist to OPPOSE.

  • Bert
    July 01, 2010 - 20:01

    I love the defeatist attitude of Don,Nasty Nate and Michael!!! I wonder would they feel the same if it was a LiberaL GOVT. taking this to court, or are they just defeatest by nature.

  • Nasty
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    I. P. Freely from NL writes: I would like to see them launch a new court challenge every month untill 2041. Money well spent in my opinion. Anything we cando, anything, that will ruffle the feathers of Quebec is a bargain.

    No wonder Newfoundland has been in debt for so many years. People like IP tossing money into a sinking ship in an attempt to plug the hole.

    A contract can only be modified if BOTH parties agree. What part of that simple equation is so hard to comprehend for some people? You do not get to have your cake and eat it too.

    Try to say you do not want to follow the terms and conditions on your loan document and see how far that will get you. Now you can start to see the issues here. Pasts leaders were not thinking of the future, as many people fail to consider the actions taken today and how it will impact everyone down the road. We made our beds, and now we need to sleep in them. No one held a gun to anyones head on this contract now did they?

  • George
    July 01, 2010 - 19:56

    Bryce, my thoughts exactly, just flick the switch for an hour at suppertime in Quebec and peak time in NY, include breakfast time too and you will soon see a positive reaction. I doubt there is any contract that promises uninterupted service.

  • I. P. Freely
    July 01, 2010 - 19:55

    Hey Don, from reading the last couple of lines in your post it sounds to me as if you are describing that great liberal Brian Tobin. He was the one who rode in here on his white horse and got everyone's hopes up that we finally had someone who would fight for us, then as soon as he got want he wanted he quit and left us high and dry. At least with Mr. Williams you have someone who, despite his enormous wealth, has choosen to stay here and fight. You Don are the joke, you are a sad, sad joke.

  • Deals
    July 01, 2010 - 19:50

    Manuel Clark Wrote: We didnt make this deal, a man getting major kickbacks for him and his family made the deal and convinced Newfoundland it was good for them.

    No but we did elect him to represent us. We should have put a stop to it then if it was such a bad deal. Too bad hindsight is 20/20 eh!

  • don
    July 01, 2010 - 19:50

    To I.P. Freely: You are right, Brian Tobin did use that old saving Newfoundland trick to drive up his opinion poll numbers and garner a bunch of votes. In the end, he had to give back the boat and the fish he seized in the turbot war. Tobin's senseless bloodletting of the civil service and the demolition of the denominational school system were a real bust. Clyde Wells used the same old saving Newfoundland trick and promised to bring home every mothers son from the mainland. Brian Peckford used the saving Newfoundland trick and lost court cases by the truckload trying to prove it. The Feds gave us a piece of the offshore oil because they pitied us or got sick and tired of our whining. Williams, Tobin, Wells and Peckford all learned that old saving Newfoundland political trick from the guy who invented it, the master of deception himself, Joesph R. Smallwood. Dictator Danny is just taking the old saving Newfoundland scam out for another spin. It just goes to show that the gullible people in Newfoundland and Labrador will fall for the same old saving Newfoundland trick over and over and over again. What is wrong with these lemmings, stunned or what? No political favorites here pal, they're all alike to me!

  • Michael
    July 01, 2010 - 19:49

    When are NL governments going to get it through there head(s) that we're stuck with this deal until 2041?

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    Win or lose in court, Newfoundland and Labrador is doing the right thing in this latest attempt to correct a shameful injustice.

  • Jonathan
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    Ummm Manual how did Joey get this deal through exacts?? and what did he gain from it?

    If you have no idea of what you are talking about then you shouldn't point fingers.

    http://www.mun.ca/harriscentre/policy/memorialpresents/2008c/churchill_falls_video.php

    Joey Smallwood had no participation in the negotiations. The deal is as it is today is due to some bad decisions by CFLco and strong arming by HydroQuebec.

    And you don't have to believe me. Just watch the video above... It is the most comprehensive and accurate history for the Upper Churchill deal that I have seen.

  • I. P. Freely
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    I would like to see them launch a new court challenge every month untill 2041. Money well spent in my opinion. Anything we cando, anything, that will ruffle the feathers of Quebec is a bargain.

  • Bryce
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    Good Faith provisions of Quebec law will do nothing for Newfoundland.It never did,it never will.Turn off the hydro and deal with the fallout .When the lights go out in New York,Quebec will have no choice but to bargain in good faith including a No Penalty clause against Newfoundland for turning off the hydro.Danny Williams could become a real hero and could do a real photo op as he turns on the switch at Churchill Falls.