Liberals surge with Lower Churchill questions

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Liberal Leader Yvonne Jones says it's difficult to follow the government's logic on the Lower Churchill project.

Jones continued to raise questions about the feasibility of the project in the House of Assembly Monday.

She said while Premier Danny Williams has said he prefers the Maritime route to take power to the United States and the rest of Canada, Nalcor Energy is supporting a private company's bid to build a transmission route from the Quebec-U.S. border to New York City.

Danny Williams (left) and Yvonne Jones

Liberal Leader Yvonne Jones says it's difficult to follow the government's logic on the Lower Churchill project.

Jones continued to raise questions about the feasibility of the project in the House of Assembly Monday.

She said while Premier Danny Williams has said he prefers the Maritime route to take power to the United States and the rest of Canada, Nalcor Energy is supporting a private company's bid to build a transmission route from the Quebec-U.S. border to New York City.

Jones then asked Williams if the province will pre-buy power capacity on that line.

"This province is not prepared to enter into commitments unless it has, actually, something to go on," the premier said.

"What we are going to do is proceed and we are going to look at all our options. We have not ruled out any of the options."

Williams said the province may look at buying capacity on the private company's line "at some point in time," and may also consider building its own transmission line through Quebec.

Then Jones pointed out that Quebec has recently signed a long-term contract with the state of Vermont to supply it with power.

"While everyone else is signing long-term agreements, what meaningful actions is this province taking to secure potential customers?" she asked.

Williams then blamed the previous Liberal government for not marketing the province's power potential properly.

He said he's been to Calgary, Ottawa, Toronto and New York promoting the Lower Churchill and talking to potential customers.

But Jones retorted that the province is "no closer today than we were seven years ago when (Williams) walked into office," on picking and developing a route for Lower Churchill power.

dbartlett@thetelegram.com

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  • Eli
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Again...what ever happened to we'll go it alone? I'm a PC at heart but can't stomach Danny's blundering any longer. Where does Nalcor come into all this? I still can't believe this government expempted Nalcor from any kind of audit. Stupid, and we'll all pay the price down the road.

  • Jon
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    For this moron (Jones) to say that this project is no further ahead than it was in 2003 is just plain wrong. It may not be any further along in physical construction, but projects of this scale take a lot of planning and design. And I can assure you that there has been progress made in that field. Keep at it Mr. Williams, I wish you all the success in getting this project going, for the future of our province. Hopefully the liberals do the right thing and remove this useless leader come November.

  • ABCD
    July 02, 2010 - 13:24

    John Smioth you sound like the resident expert on being good for nothing and you prove it here on a daily basis. At least you show us the kind of mindless worshipers Danny Williams has. Now go drink up John while the cool-aid is still cold.

  • wouldnt ya know
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    While everyone else is signing long-term agreements, what meaningful actions is this province taking to secure potential customers? she asked.

    Williams then blamed the previous Liberal government for not marketing the province's power potential properly.

    Who?? Us?? Right on Dan...pass the buck..Problem is Quebec is NOT hearing..don't want to hear...don't care....Constitutionally they have us by the short and curlies....Until Ottawa enforces the Canadian Constitution....we can whistle Dixie..Just how is it that every other province in Canada has the ability to move oil, gas, and electricity without impedance??.......But for God's sake Dan......YOU are at the wheel.....not governments of history ....

  • Edward
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    Stop the Racket Stop Danny Williams from NL.
    Wow. Is that you Mr. Grimes? Absolute power , lack of attention in his personal life , miserable and bitter , arrogant, vengeful, self-centred and a total control freak . I assume from your subtle criticism that you aren't a fan. Please be so kind as to enlighten us as to your choice for premier, so that we may comment on his/her suitability. Before you loose a rhetorical broadside on me, please be advised that I voted for the sacrficial NDP candidates, provincial and federal, last time out. I have also voted Liberal, Reform, Conservative, PC, Green, Rhino, Natural Law and Independent, depending upon the issues of the day and the candidates offering.

  • Isedabye
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    theres one thing our premier seems to leave out of his comments about the liberals being the masters of OUR deal on the Upper Churchill...Joey Smallwood without doubt was an intelligent, articulate man BUT he received the so called deal from lawyers...lawyers that i would like to think were considered the best available for the province at the time...that supposedly knew what it was they were sending along to be signed into the history books...the more i hear danny speak the more clearer it becomes that his lawyeresque way of speaking makes me wonder just how much more it is that he doesnt tell the whole TRUE story about...that too will be written into our history books one day.

  • Robb
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    Oh my God.....keep the liberals away from anything with the word Churchill in it......hey jones, keep your stupid comments to yourself....we really don't need your input....look what happened the last time you give-away stupid liberals had anything to do with Churchill falls......you ding-bats just love to take the low road, with smoke and mirrors....get a couple of jobs to make you look good, and then burden teh province for a century......best just to keep shut jones...

  • Jerome
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    The Lower Churchill Project.

    What project?
    There is no financing for this so-called project; no signed contracts with customers to buy the electricity from this so-called project; no transmission route defined to transport the electricity from this so-called project.
    The development of the Lower Churchill has been a dream of several premiers, but alas, it's just a dream.
    The fact of the matter is that the Lower Churchill is a potential hydro electric resource, and probably some day it will be developed.
    Numerous premiers have sold the electorate on the notion that we were on the cusp of becoming a major player in the hydro electric market.
    ''Nothing could be further from the truth''

  • Joe
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    Danny Williams (left) and Yvonne Jones

    I think it's hilarious that they felt they had to explicitly identify which picture was of Danny and which was of Yvonne...

  • I C Clearly
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    Interesting comments - the cheerleaders pom poms must be feeling kind of heavy with all the blunders their beloved leader has made of late. Instead of focusing on discrediting the messenger, try addressing the message. The facts are the emperor has no clothes. The only 'lower Churchill' project is a figment of their imaginations, despite their empty 'assurances' and false hope. Time for this government to get on with what they're supposed to be doing - providing effective management of the resources that actually exist in this province. A good start would be to address the balooning deficit. With oil stuck below the official government estimate of $83, the current spend is not sustainable.

  • Brett
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    All this complaining - and yet the province is in a much better financial position now than it was 8 years ago.

    Yes I think we'd all like these projects to start up and get finished in a matter of weeks - so we can turn on a magic spigot + collect some money - but it just doesn't work that way.

    I think all people should not forget the overall picture here, and look at the full set of accomplishments their desired leaders have managed to see over their careers. What milestones have been hit, what have not. How much of their time is bluster, how much is negativity, how much is working for the success of all and how much is built on delaying and putting up roadblocks to success.

  • Stop The Racket
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Danny Williams dosent have a plan thats why he throws his temper tantrums when asked the tough questions and resorts to blaming previous governments for everything thats wrong in this province. Sad thing is he has many of you brainwashed enough that you actually believe nothing ever happened here until Danny Williams became your lord and master. Its been obvious for years that he has himself convinced of that but I really thought more people in this province would be able to see through his sham. Danny Williams is useing his absolute power to get the control and attention he is lacking in his personal life. Sad when you think about it really. Heres a man who literally has everything most of us dream about and yet his very existance seems to be so miserable and bitter. He is so arrogant, vengefull, self centred, and a total control freak. He has developed the George Bush mentality that if your not with him you must be against him. The only opinion that matters to him is his own. All others are traitors, Quebe lovers, or as some cult followers love to say haters. Well to clear that up let me go on record as saying I HATE NO ONE. What I do hate however is a liar and a minipulator and an ego driven power hungry man that has to have everything his way or no way. Again going back to what I said earlier this is about the only thing in his life he has any kind of control over and we are being used to feed his allready over inflated ego. Then again what the hell do I know the majority of worshipers cant possibly be wrong. Can they?

  • S
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Let's keep in mind that in the time this government has been in power (2003), HQ has put together power deals for many megawatts worth billions of dollars over decades out of brand spanking new power stations while this government has taken baby steps ahead nuetralised by baby steps backwards for a net gain of zero.

    After 7 years of noise, we are no further ahead to the point where government astill has not made fundamental decisions on transmission and/or customers.

    Can't sign customers until we have power to sell; can't get money to develop power without customers at the ready.

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    With everything else going on in the province why is H'yevonne so worried about a project that has been in the works for years, and will be in the works for years. does she think that this is going to garner her some support? Where are the liberal answers to the problems with this project? Why doesn't she go to Quebec and visit with Charest, her comrade in arms, and bring back some good news. why doesn't she speak with all the liberal members in Ottawa and bring back some good news.. Nope, she is doing what she is good at...NOTHING. She is good for nothing, and she is doing a good job at that. Goodbye forever Yvonne, election soon.

  • I C Clearly
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    No route, no financing, no customers, no plan = no project. Williams is great at blaming others for every setback that he has, but the question needs to be answered. What has this government been doing for the last 7 years besides talking and making false promises?

  • Darrell
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    I see lots of comments as to what the problem is but not very many solutions you guys should run for the liberals they are good at that.

  • Eli
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    Again...what ever happened to we'll go it alone? I'm a PC at heart but can't stomach Danny's blundering any longer. Where does Nalcor come into all this? I still can't believe this government expempted Nalcor from any kind of audit. Stupid, and we'll all pay the price down the road.

  • Jon
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    For this moron (Jones) to say that this project is no further ahead than it was in 2003 is just plain wrong. It may not be any further along in physical construction, but projects of this scale take a lot of planning and design. And I can assure you that there has been progress made in that field. Keep at it Mr. Williams, I wish you all the success in getting this project going, for the future of our province. Hopefully the liberals do the right thing and remove this useless leader come November.

  • ABCD
    July 01, 2010 - 20:10

    John Smioth you sound like the resident expert on being good for nothing and you prove it here on a daily basis. At least you show us the kind of mindless worshipers Danny Williams has. Now go drink up John while the cool-aid is still cold.

  • wouldnt ya know
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    While everyone else is signing long-term agreements, what meaningful actions is this province taking to secure potential customers? she asked.

    Williams then blamed the previous Liberal government for not marketing the province's power potential properly.

    Who?? Us?? Right on Dan...pass the buck..Problem is Quebec is NOT hearing..don't want to hear...don't care....Constitutionally they have us by the short and curlies....Until Ottawa enforces the Canadian Constitution....we can whistle Dixie..Just how is it that every other province in Canada has the ability to move oil, gas, and electricity without impedance??.......But for God's sake Dan......YOU are at the wheel.....not governments of history ....

  • Edward
    July 01, 2010 - 20:02

    Stop the Racket Stop Danny Williams from NL.
    Wow. Is that you Mr. Grimes? Absolute power , lack of attention in his personal life , miserable and bitter , arrogant, vengeful, self-centred and a total control freak . I assume from your subtle criticism that you aren't a fan. Please be so kind as to enlighten us as to your choice for premier, so that we may comment on his/her suitability. Before you loose a rhetorical broadside on me, please be advised that I voted for the sacrficial NDP candidates, provincial and federal, last time out. I have also voted Liberal, Reform, Conservative, PC, Green, Rhino, Natural Law and Independent, depending upon the issues of the day and the candidates offering.

  • Isedabye
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    theres one thing our premier seems to leave out of his comments about the liberals being the masters of OUR deal on the Upper Churchill...Joey Smallwood without doubt was an intelligent, articulate man BUT he received the so called deal from lawyers...lawyers that i would like to think were considered the best available for the province at the time...that supposedly knew what it was they were sending along to be signed into the history books...the more i hear danny speak the more clearer it becomes that his lawyeresque way of speaking makes me wonder just how much more it is that he doesnt tell the whole TRUE story about...that too will be written into our history books one day.

  • Robb
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    Oh my God.....keep the liberals away from anything with the word Churchill in it......hey jones, keep your stupid comments to yourself....we really don't need your input....look what happened the last time you give-away stupid liberals had anything to do with Churchill falls......you ding-bats just love to take the low road, with smoke and mirrors....get a couple of jobs to make you look good, and then burden teh province for a century......best just to keep shut jones...

  • Jerome
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    The Lower Churchill Project.

    What project?
    There is no financing for this so-called project; no signed contracts with customers to buy the electricity from this so-called project; no transmission route defined to transport the electricity from this so-called project.
    The development of the Lower Churchill has been a dream of several premiers, but alas, it's just a dream.
    The fact of the matter is that the Lower Churchill is a potential hydro electric resource, and probably some day it will be developed.
    Numerous premiers have sold the electorate on the notion that we were on the cusp of becoming a major player in the hydro electric market.
    ''Nothing could be further from the truth''

  • Joe
    July 01, 2010 - 19:55

    Danny Williams (left) and Yvonne Jones

    I think it's hilarious that they felt they had to explicitly identify which picture was of Danny and which was of Yvonne...

  • I C Clearly
    July 01, 2010 - 19:53

    Interesting comments - the cheerleaders pom poms must be feeling kind of heavy with all the blunders their beloved leader has made of late. Instead of focusing on discrediting the messenger, try addressing the message. The facts are the emperor has no clothes. The only 'lower Churchill' project is a figment of their imaginations, despite their empty 'assurances' and false hope. Time for this government to get on with what they're supposed to be doing - providing effective management of the resources that actually exist in this province. A good start would be to address the balooning deficit. With oil stuck below the official government estimate of $83, the current spend is not sustainable.

  • Brett
    July 01, 2010 - 19:51

    All this complaining - and yet the province is in a much better financial position now than it was 8 years ago.

    Yes I think we'd all like these projects to start up and get finished in a matter of weeks - so we can turn on a magic spigot + collect some money - but it just doesn't work that way.

    I think all people should not forget the overall picture here, and look at the full set of accomplishments their desired leaders have managed to see over their careers. What milestones have been hit, what have not. How much of their time is bluster, how much is negativity, how much is working for the success of all and how much is built on delaying and putting up roadblocks to success.

  • Stop The Racket
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    Danny Williams dosent have a plan thats why he throws his temper tantrums when asked the tough questions and resorts to blaming previous governments for everything thats wrong in this province. Sad thing is he has many of you brainwashed enough that you actually believe nothing ever happened here until Danny Williams became your lord and master. Its been obvious for years that he has himself convinced of that but I really thought more people in this province would be able to see through his sham. Danny Williams is useing his absolute power to get the control and attention he is lacking in his personal life. Sad when you think about it really. Heres a man who literally has everything most of us dream about and yet his very existance seems to be so miserable and bitter. He is so arrogant, vengefull, self centred, and a total control freak. He has developed the George Bush mentality that if your not with him you must be against him. The only opinion that matters to him is his own. All others are traitors, Quebe lovers, or as some cult followers love to say haters. Well to clear that up let me go on record as saying I HATE NO ONE. What I do hate however is a liar and a minipulator and an ego driven power hungry man that has to have everything his way or no way. Again going back to what I said earlier this is about the only thing in his life he has any kind of control over and we are being used to feed his allready over inflated ego. Then again what the hell do I know the majority of worshipers cant possibly be wrong. Can they?

  • S
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    Let's keep in mind that in the time this government has been in power (2003), HQ has put together power deals for many megawatts worth billions of dollars over decades out of brand spanking new power stations while this government has taken baby steps ahead nuetralised by baby steps backwards for a net gain of zero.

    After 7 years of noise, we are no further ahead to the point where government astill has not made fundamental decisions on transmission and/or customers.

    Can't sign customers until we have power to sell; can't get money to develop power without customers at the ready.

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    With everything else going on in the province why is H'yevonne so worried about a project that has been in the works for years, and will be in the works for years. does she think that this is going to garner her some support? Where are the liberal answers to the problems with this project? Why doesn't she go to Quebec and visit with Charest, her comrade in arms, and bring back some good news. why doesn't she speak with all the liberal members in Ottawa and bring back some good news.. Nope, she is doing what she is good at...NOTHING. She is good for nothing, and she is doing a good job at that. Goodbye forever Yvonne, election soon.

  • I C Clearly
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    No route, no financing, no customers, no plan = no project. Williams is great at blaming others for every setback that he has, but the question needs to be answered. What has this government been doing for the last 7 years besides talking and making false promises?

  • Darrell
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    I see lots of comments as to what the problem is but not very many solutions you guys should run for the liberals they are good at that.