Joyce accuses NDP of being out of touch with unions

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Eddie Joyce

Liberal and New Democrat politicians were at each others’ throats Wednesday in the House of Assembly over how to handle the crisis at the Corner Brook paper mill.

Liberal MHA Eddie Joyce accus­ed the NDP of working to “inflame” the situation, and making matters worse.

In the House of Assembly, as the NDP tried to question the government, Joyce incessantly interrupted, shouting, “Call the union, b’y.”

Joyce told reporters NDP Leader Lorraine Michael is out of touch with the unions directly involved in the situation.

“We hear the NDP standing up on a regular basis inflaming this whole situation,” Joyce said. “They’ve never sat down and discussed this mill issue with the union.”

Michael said she’s in regular contact with union representatives, and she’s asking important questions.

Kruger Inc., which owns the Corner Brook mill, has said if it can’t reach a deal on pension and union contract issues by the middle of the month, it will look to shut down the mill.

On Monday, Premier Kathy Dunderdale met with Joseph Kruger, who owns the mill.

The Liberals have been largely supportive of the government’s approach, but the NDP has been quite critical.

The company and the union need to settle contract and pension issues to make the mill viable.

Dunderdale has said the government has a framework for how to assist Kruger to keep the mill running, but she won’t step in until the pension and contract issues are settled.

Michael said she takes issue with that approach, and that was one of the topics she raised during question period Wednesday.

“If you have a framework with Kruger and they know what it is and they’re going to the bargaining table with the union and the union doesn’t know what it is, is it fair?” Michael asked. “I don’t think that’s enflaming the issue at all. I think that’s asking a very honest question of this government.”

But Joyce said by bringing it up in a dramatic fashion, the NDP is actually hurting the chances the mill will stay open.

“There is a time when we must work with government. Look what happened with the other two mills. Both sides get so heated, they get so entrenched in their arguments that there’s no way out,” he said. “What I’m saying to everybody is cool the rhetoric.”

jmcleod@thetelegram.com

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Organizations: NDP, Kruger, Questions.Kruger

Geographic location: Corner Brook

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  • blabla
    June 21, 2012 - 22:35

    this guy is a blowhard and thats it

  • Joe
    June 18, 2012 - 11:32

    Joe Kruger makes millions of $$ profit each year off electricity here in NL and if he closes the mill (which I believe is what he is trying to do). Government MUST take all that electric power and profit from him and return it to the people of this province and put it into job creation here on the West Coast.

  • Scott
    June 13, 2012 - 08:20

    Sorry Carol Ann Rogers...I have to agree with Christopher...Lease this young man is looking at the fill picture...Because the working poor...is paying for a enough...If the mill can't stand on it's own...close it down...No more taxpayers dollars

    • Citizen
      June 17, 2012 - 11:50

      Not sure I understand what is meant by the phrase "Lease this young man" from Scott's post.

  • Christopher Chafe
    June 08, 2012 - 18:36

    I know I am only still relatively young, but why should Government step in and be a life support to a private enterprise?

    • Carol Ann rogers
      June 13, 2012 - 06:32

      Christopher my young friend..it is to sustain the main source of employment in a town. If the government does not intervene in these situations then an entire workforce of that mill town will be out of work and out of the pension they paid into for all those years. A long term working relationship is sort of like a personal relationship. You give it your all for 20-30 years and you put money aside for when you retire and hope to relax maybe go south during the winter months when your in your 60's. But suddenly all your plans have changed because someone has made the decision to not give you your retirment money and you have to scrap your plans you worked for over the 30years. Not only that, you are now forced to find a job just to pay the light bill and buy food. The government is asked to get involved because these companies are regulated by the provinces government they get tax breaks to get set up in the first place, they make a profit, and roll out of town and roll into another town in another country where they get more tax breaks and earn more profit in the cycle of greed. I know at first glance it seems as if the government are bailing them out but its really an attempt to keep the workers in jobs so they can go the the local small grocery store in their home town and buy the normal things you buy each week, that money keeps that local store going, and the jobs of the people in that store and so on and so on. When a town/city has the majority of its people employed that town is recieving town/city tax payments that are used to repair roads, put up street lights, collect garbage and so on. A steady job not only helps that person but improves the community as a whole. Parents can afford to put their children into sports, hockey and soccor tournaments can be held. Enjoyable lives are lived. All of that is in jepordy if the government does not intervene when a company tries to get out of their responsibility to their workforce. Hope that makes the picture a bit clearer.

  • Jake
    June 08, 2012 - 17:26

    I am a mill worker and am very interested obviously what cards the govt are holding. If the mill stays open and remains viable long term this would be good news. Negotiating a losing contract with concessions may happen but it would be awful that after the ink dries on the contract the mill shuts down anyway and the workers get screwed out of even more pension because we agreed to give them the extension on the payback. Hopefully, gerry byrne can make a little sense of the madness during the forum at pepsi centre sunday evening. Cheers

    • David
      June 08, 2012 - 21:43

      cards.... You are going to die in your sleep in this fire because you went to bed still drunk on union moonshine.

  • Extortion
    June 08, 2012 - 16:06

    Unions are out of touch with their members. They get on with alot of non-job non-industry related stuff. Like supporting the NDP where most member are Conservative or getting involved in the abortion debate or supporting things like Occupy NL. Unions just try to make themselves busy to explain why they are taxing members pay cheques.

  • work with government
    June 07, 2012 - 20:30

    liberals and jokers like eddie joyce will have very very little with the outcome of mill at cbrook; work with government; how are liberals gonna work with government on this one; eddie please explain; joe kruger is waiting to meet with liberals and dwight ball for sure; didnt he stop into their opposition office on way out of meeting with Premier KD; i think not; PCs and Ted Blanchard rescued mill from closing in 1984/85 and PCs and Tom Marshall will do everything humanly possible to help stop this mill from closing; NOT eddie joyce; he's just chiming in; to get his political donation from Kruger for next election; except his cheque from CBPP is way way smaller than one Brian Tobin used to get; surprise surprise

  • Rod from Curling
    June 07, 2012 - 10:39

    This is entirely hilarious. Eddie Joyce heckling the NDP? Really? What Eddie is doing here is trying to make Bay of Islander's think that he is involved with saving this mill. Fact: He's not. I know this, I'm a former union member of the mill. What this story is really about is that they young candidate for the NDP in the last election put the fire to Eddie Joyce in a local debate, and sore loser Eddie Joyce wasn't able to get over it - cause eveyone from the Bay of Islands knows what Eddie Joyce is all about. Want to see the story? Here it is from the Western Star: http://www.thewesternstar.com/Election-2011/Local-news/2011-09-29/article-2762780/Candidate-forum-avenue-for-political-war/1 In particular read the last part of the story and you'll see the REAL Eddie Joyce. I was in the audience that night - Eddie was so unprofessional, even PC's were commenting on his behavior.

    • David
      June 07, 2012 - 19:06

      Great link...that's Eddie alright. And yet, he got voted in as an MHA...again! People here are so stupid ---- (How stupid are they?) ----- People here are so stupid, you could dry cod in the deep end of the Nfld. gene pool.

  • Maureen
    June 07, 2012 - 09:56

    I hope there BULLYING tactics don't put a damper on Ms. Michael. Never saw or heard of so much bullying in my life. It's disgusting! They can even answer a question properly.

  • Rob from Gambo
    June 07, 2012 - 09:38

    After throwing $47 Million into the Mill, the Provincial Government should order Joe Kruger to pay back that money. If he can't, he should be taken over as a Co-op by the workers and government. That'll teach those corporate nutjobs what we in NL are willing to do when they try to force cuts to pensions.

  • Grow Up and Do It Now
    June 07, 2012 - 08:40

    Politicians acting like children when a corporation fails to live up to its obligations and gives the people a take it or leave it ultimatum. Those same people are the voters, so grow up and treat those workers and voters with respect Mr. Joyce. If you have a solution, let's hear it. If not, then shut up. We need a solution, not retarded badgering like you are doing.

  • Charles
    June 07, 2012 - 07:50

    Eddie...Are you saying...if the Liberal was in power...Your party would just throw taxpayers money at this problem...Because if that what your saying...I feel sorry for NL...The province need leadership...to get us back on track...Sad thing about it...the liberal...don't have anyone to fill that place...People are losing jobs...going away to work...cold in there home...Why don't you and your party...present some ideas...how to build our province...

  • Ron O'Brien
    June 07, 2012 - 07:26

    NDP Michael is correct, it is unfair that the government is agreeing to withhold information and indirectly approving pressure on the union to settle or else approach, leaving the workers' in charge of the mill's future. It is NOT FITTING no matter how politically correct it is.

  • McManus
    June 07, 2012 - 07:25

    If the only response to this potential economic crisis in Corner Brook by the Liberals are the heckling by a punch-drunk Eddy Joyce, then the issue is already over. It is doubly disturbing that in today's print edition of the Telegram that Dwight Ball is not quoted on any issue while Yvonne Jones and Eddy Joyce are. Without strong leadership the Liberals are doomed.

  • Whaddaya At ?
    June 07, 2012 - 07:18

    Who is Edith Joyce ?.

  • Randy
    June 07, 2012 - 07:02

    Goes to show what you get when you elect Liberals like Eddie Joyce - government cheerleaders. Liberal, Tory, same old story.

    • Brian
      June 08, 2012 - 13:36

      I'll take a liberal or tory any day over an NDP with their hands in everyones pocket