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  • Kris
    July 02, 2010 - 13:35

    This came as a surprise to us, said Powell.

    There is an unusual paranoia running rampant in this province. You can't even get a job digging ditches without a criminal record check, and as we know this only proves that someone hasn't been convicted of a crime, it doesn't actually speak to the character or motivations of the person in question. There are honest good people out there who found themselves in bad situations for which they now have a criminal record.

    Granted that it's ones own responsibility to make sure they avoid situations that could turn pear shaped in such a fashion as to bring them in to conflict with the laws of the land but everybody makes mistakes. I'm not talking about rape or child-abuse, or murder, or serious violent crimes, but some times no matter how far back you try and stand you still wind up with some on you.

    I love how this article demonstrates the unwavering faith in a criminal record check that only serves to discriminate against some people who 9 times out of 10 have been called to task for their actions and have paid the price and are unlikely to travel that road again, and reward those of questionable character who have either not committed a crime yet, or simply haven't been caught. I guarantee you that if a person is predisposed to breaking the law, it is unlikely that a criminal record check will discover this if they haven't been caught. What about young offenders who have their records erased? Theft, violent crime, property crime of all varieties, and no one will ever know, because at 18 they have a clean record.

    It's time to stop discriminating against people who have learned their lesson and paid the price for their actions.
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  • Merman
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    How am I supposed to get home?

  • Dave
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    Judy Powell you should resign forthwith.Furthers news reveals that this driver has been charged with 4 counts of breach of probatio,among other things..That means......duh,a criminal record.So,do the honorable thing and resign before that foot in your mouth swells up too much.

  • Never
    July 02, 2010 - 13:28

    I guess Metro Bus has an opening for a bus driver......any interested parties can apply to Personnel at Metro Bus in the sprawling metropolis of St. John's..please provide the necessary documentation for said position...

  • Ryan
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Undergoing criminal background, driver record and reference checks must be a waste of time and money then since it guarantees nothing. Good tools to discriminate people though if you don't want to hire them in the first place for whatever reason.

    I thought I saw a bus weaving all around the road early this morning.....

  • Kimmy
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    brian from nl where in this article does it say the driver was charged with dui? A news item a few weeks ago had some guy getting a licence here in NL when he had been prohibited from driving in ON from multiple convictions of DUI up there. This system doesn't work.

  • Tara
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    People should keep in mind that a letter of conduct only confirms no criminal record up to that point. The arrest could be due to something that occurred after he was hired.

  • Willie
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    I like to have a 'pup' or two on the way to and from work but that don't make me an alcoholic. Lot of people do the same thing and you can see the empty bottles on the NLC parking lot. Some jobs are very stressful and require a little pick me up that's all I'm sayin.

    Willie Hunt
    Pouch Cove NL

  • brian
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    Kimmy - It does not say that and I stated that in my last line. The issue with the DUI in Ontario is one that slipped through the cracks. Up until recently the criminal records check with the RNC was only province wide and not Canada wide. As a HR specialist in the private sector the search is a good tool, as I pointed out to Ryan. The record check does not state the crime, only that the person was convicted of something - the interview process takes care of the rest. Have we hired people with a criminal record? Yes. Have we hired an individual caught impaired in control of a chopper to fly one of ours? No.

  • brian
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    Good tools to discriminate people though if you don't want to hire them in the first place for whatever reason

    BS Ryan - a good tool to use if you are considering hiring an individual to drive a metro bus and they have a criminal record of DUI. Not saying that this is the case here.

  • Stan
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    Merman from NL writes: How am I supposed to get home?

    SWIM

  • Doesn't
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Kimmy!! If you read Brian's post he wasn't saying the driving was arrested for DUI. He was saying that the background checks are a good idea for Metrobus to do incase someone has a DUI. He even says not saying that this is the case here.

  • B.W
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    I find something a bit off with regard to the statement made by Metrobus and the charges made against the driver. He was charged with 4 breaches of probation in addition to the other charges and according to the company has only been with them since this spring. There are only 2 explanations for this. Either Metrobus knew he had a criminal record and hired him anyway (in which case their statement was disingenuous and meant nothing) or the man was convicted AFTER his hire, in which case they still had to know about the original arrest.


    Not that it matters to me if he is a convict... I just find it amusing that Metrobus makes a statement to assure us when it's clear that it means nothing.

  • Nasty
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    Hey Kriss! Did you know that over 55% of the Canadian population has some sort of record. Wonder how the minority like paying to keep the majority on welfare?

    What comes around goes around.

  • Calvin
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    Hey Kris, you have a point. However, should employers not perform criminal record checks because the person they are interviewing MAY never commit another crime? There is always some deciding factor between applicants for a position, and if you have two candidates with similar education and experience and one of them has been convicted of assault (for example), an employer has the right to use that as a deciding factor concerning employment. Even if it was a one time offence, it still happened ONE time. I know I have been in positions where I wanted to hit someone, but I have never done it. I think employers see it as a representation of someones character if they have never been arrested for DUI or selling ecstacy (again, just examples), and I would not feel any ill will towards a prospective employer if they wouldnt hire me because I had done something like that. There are consequences for any action, and the criminal record check is just another consequence.

  • Where was
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    Guess we need to wait to hear from the horses mouth on this one. Seems odd with the Telegrams office right at the same location this took place that they were not able to provide a little more detail.

    Oh well, let the rumors begin I guess......

  • Kris
    July 01, 2010 - 20:25

    This came as a surprise to us, said Powell.

    There is an unusual paranoia running rampant in this province. You can't even get a job digging ditches without a criminal record check, and as we know this only proves that someone hasn't been convicted of a crime, it doesn't actually speak to the character or motivations of the person in question. There are honest good people out there who found themselves in bad situations for which they now have a criminal record.

    Granted that it's ones own responsibility to make sure they avoid situations that could turn pear shaped in such a fashion as to bring them in to conflict with the laws of the land but everybody makes mistakes. I'm not talking about rape or child-abuse, or murder, or serious violent crimes, but some times no matter how far back you try and stand you still wind up with some on you.

    I love how this article demonstrates the unwavering faith in a criminal record check that only serves to discriminate against some people who 9 times out of 10 have been called to task for their actions and have paid the price and are unlikely to travel that road again, and reward those of questionable character who have either not committed a crime yet, or simply haven't been caught. I guarantee you that if a person is predisposed to breaking the law, it is unlikely that a criminal record check will discover this if they haven't been caught. What about young offenders who have their records erased? Theft, violent crime, property crime of all varieties, and no one will ever know, because at 18 they have a clean record.

    It's time to stop discriminating against people who have learned their lesson and paid the price for their actions.
    <

  • Merman
    July 01, 2010 - 20:23

    How am I supposed to get home?

  • Dave
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    Judy Powell you should resign forthwith.Furthers news reveals that this driver has been charged with 4 counts of breach of probatio,among other things..That means......duh,a criminal record.So,do the honorable thing and resign before that foot in your mouth swells up too much.

  • Never
    July 01, 2010 - 20:16

    I guess Metro Bus has an opening for a bus driver......any interested parties can apply to Personnel at Metro Bus in the sprawling metropolis of St. John's..please provide the necessary documentation for said position...

  • Ryan
    July 01, 2010 - 20:06

    Undergoing criminal background, driver record and reference checks must be a waste of time and money then since it guarantees nothing. Good tools to discriminate people though if you don't want to hire them in the first place for whatever reason.

    I thought I saw a bus weaving all around the road early this morning.....

  • Kimmy
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    brian from nl where in this article does it say the driver was charged with dui? A news item a few weeks ago had some guy getting a licence here in NL when he had been prohibited from driving in ON from multiple convictions of DUI up there. This system doesn't work.

  • Tara
    July 01, 2010 - 20:02

    People should keep in mind that a letter of conduct only confirms no criminal record up to that point. The arrest could be due to something that occurred after he was hired.

  • Willie
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    I like to have a 'pup' or two on the way to and from work but that don't make me an alcoholic. Lot of people do the same thing and you can see the empty bottles on the NLC parking lot. Some jobs are very stressful and require a little pick me up that's all I'm sayin.

    Willie Hunt
    Pouch Cove NL

  • brian
    July 01, 2010 - 19:55

    Kimmy - It does not say that and I stated that in my last line. The issue with the DUI in Ontario is one that slipped through the cracks. Up until recently the criminal records check with the RNC was only province wide and not Canada wide. As a HR specialist in the private sector the search is a good tool, as I pointed out to Ryan. The record check does not state the crime, only that the person was convicted of something - the interview process takes care of the rest. Have we hired people with a criminal record? Yes. Have we hired an individual caught impaired in control of a chopper to fly one of ours? No.

  • brian
    July 01, 2010 - 19:54

    Good tools to discriminate people though if you don't want to hire them in the first place for whatever reason

    BS Ryan - a good tool to use if you are considering hiring an individual to drive a metro bus and they have a criminal record of DUI. Not saying that this is the case here.

  • Stan
    July 01, 2010 - 19:53

    Merman from NL writes: How am I supposed to get home?

    SWIM

  • Doesn't
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    Kimmy!! If you read Brian's post he wasn't saying the driving was arrested for DUI. He was saying that the background checks are a good idea for Metrobus to do incase someone has a DUI. He even says not saying that this is the case here.

  • B.W
    July 01, 2010 - 19:47

    I find something a bit off with regard to the statement made by Metrobus and the charges made against the driver. He was charged with 4 breaches of probation in addition to the other charges and according to the company has only been with them since this spring. There are only 2 explanations for this. Either Metrobus knew he had a criminal record and hired him anyway (in which case their statement was disingenuous and meant nothing) or the man was convicted AFTER his hire, in which case they still had to know about the original arrest.


    Not that it matters to me if he is a convict... I just find it amusing that Metrobus makes a statement to assure us when it's clear that it means nothing.

  • Nasty
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    Hey Kriss! Did you know that over 55% of the Canadian population has some sort of record. Wonder how the minority like paying to keep the majority on welfare?

    What comes around goes around.

  • Calvin
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    Hey Kris, you have a point. However, should employers not perform criminal record checks because the person they are interviewing MAY never commit another crime? There is always some deciding factor between applicants for a position, and if you have two candidates with similar education and experience and one of them has been convicted of assault (for example), an employer has the right to use that as a deciding factor concerning employment. Even if it was a one time offence, it still happened ONE time. I know I have been in positions where I wanted to hit someone, but I have never done it. I think employers see it as a representation of someones character if they have never been arrested for DUI or selling ecstacy (again, just examples), and I would not feel any ill will towards a prospective employer if they wouldnt hire me because I had done something like that. There are consequences for any action, and the criminal record check is just another consequence.

  • Where was
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    Guess we need to wait to hear from the horses mouth on this one. Seems odd with the Telegrams office right at the same location this took place that they were not able to provide a little more detail.

    Oh well, let the rumors begin I guess......