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Simms, Duff debate hazardous waste

The relatively minor issue of household hazardous waste caused a flare-up between Mount Pearl Mayor Randy Simms and St. John's Deputy Mayor Shannie Duff on Saturday's Urban Municipalities Committee (UMC) meeting in Torbay.

Simms was complaining Mount Pearl used to pay about $22,000 for household hazardous waste days, but under the new regional waste management strategy, the city now pays $132,000 and residents are expected to take their hazardous waste to Robin Hood Bay.

Urban Municipalities Committee chairman and Marystown Deputy Mayor Keith Keating (left) and Municipalities Newfoundland and Labrador president and Leading Tickles Mayor Harry Hallett were part of the meeting Friday and Saturday in Torbay. - Photo by James

The relatively minor issue of household hazardous waste caused a flare-up between Mount Pearl Mayor Randy Simms and St. John's Deputy Mayor Shannie Duff on Saturday's Urban Municipalities Committee (UMC) meeting in Torbay.

Simms was complaining Mount Pearl used to pay about $22,000 for household hazardous waste days, but under the new regional waste management strategy, the city now pays $132,000 and residents are expected to take their hazardous waste to Robin Hood Bay.

If Mount Pearl were to organize it's own hazardous waste collection, it would be charged a tipping fee to drop it off at Robin Hood Bay.

'Insane decision'

'That was a relatively insane decision," Simms said.

Duff responded by reminding Simms his city had pulled out of the Eastern Waste Management (EWM) committee, which oversees the province's regional waste management strategy.

Simms said the committee was an ineffective waste of money, and they should be dealing directly with St. John's. He said Mount Pearl had pulled out because it tends to be very "visionary."

The disagreement between two of the province's largest municipalities at the UMC meeting - organized by Municipalities Newfoundland and Labrador (MNL) - was just one flashpoint in the ongoing process of implementing the provincially mandated waste management strategy, which envisions three large dumps serving eastern, central and western regions.

Duff said the EWM committee hadn't gotten to Simms' concern because they had bigger fish to fry.

"We have had much larger issues to deal with. Our last meeting was almost totally taken up with discussions of the cost of the transfer facilities and waste recovery facilities," she said.

Outside of the metro area, smaller municipalities are balking at the cost of transporting their garbage to St. John's.

"Right now, waste management seems to be the thing that's on everybody's plate," said UMC chairman Keith Keating. "Right now, almost everybody is talking about the cost; that really hasn't been worked out ... the smaller towns are saying $187 per household per year is too much money."

Duff said that the province needs to be more hands-on in implementing the strategy with EWM.

Simms has a simpler solution.

"Why the heck do we need this regional committee?" he said. "Save us the $2 million."

He said the committee has cost about $2 million to set up, and will likely cost more than $1 million per year.

jmcleod@thetelegram.com

Organizations: Urban Municipalities Committee, EWM committee

Geographic location: Mount Pearl, St. John's, Robin Hood Bay Torbay

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  • Telling it how Id
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    What I find truly amazing is residents from St. John's will bash Mount Pearl. They will bash it for its services, its roads, its taxes, its garbage, its lack of elevators, hospitals, etc. etc.

    But when all the bashing is done, when they've bashed everything they can possibly they can possibly think of, you know what they end it with?

    Lets amalgamate..???


    I have never heard any resident of Mount Pearl suggest the idea of amalgamating with St. John's never. It truly boggles mind who hypocritical the residents and city council of St John's is when they continually bash us but then beg us to join them.

    As for snow clearing, Mount Pearl does just fine clearing what has to be done for their city. St. John's does a shyte job, it's as simple as that.

    As for this Team Gushue highway...you want to know why Mount Pearl is not antying up any coin for this???

    It's simple, the highway DOES NOT DOES NOT
    DOES NOT
    DOES NOT
    DOES NOT
    DOES NOT
    DOES NOT go through Mount Pearl.

    Check the link below,
    http://www.ma.gov.nl.ca/ma/publications/mpbs/proposal.pdf

    this highway in NO WAY. I repeat NO WAY ENTERS THE CITY OF MOUNT PEARL.

    Have I made myself clear St. John's residents or shall I get out my crayons and draw you a picture???

    This highway has been designed to link the Goulds with St. John's, not Mount Pearl with St. John's.

    If you still don't get it, ask the wizard of oz from a brain.

  • Mike
    July 02, 2010 - 13:32

    With all this bickering most of it petty and some the result of personality clashes between and within city councils a stronger case is being made for amalgamation. If its not recycling, its highway maintenance and whos responsible for clearing snow, or dealing with the costs of fixing the antiquated water supply and other aging infrastructure, etc, etc;

    While its true St. Johns does not have a recycling program, I believe pilots were carried out to help develop a cost-effective and efficient program. And if anyone believes Mt. Pearl is visionary, they are delusional as Randy Simms.

    The fact remains that both councils have a lot on common both dysfunctional and both breaking promises once an election is over - see mill rates. Amalgamation may not solve this, but at least wed have less replication of services and money wasting committees. And having all these bozos under one roof would result in one vote and hopefully less juvenile finger pointing.

  • Watcher
    July 02, 2010 - 13:31

    If you still don't get it, ask the wizard of oz from a brain.

    Telling it how Id like it to be, meet irony.

  • Taypayer
    July 02, 2010 - 13:31

    Political Watcher are you really from Mt Pearl. At least that City had a recycling program. While Sin John's was sitting on it's hands whining about the expense and telling us that they would do something in the future and it was always in the future. Sin John's is the most disfunctional municipality in the Province bar none. The residents would be far better off if the Council was disbanded and the City administered by yes even the Mt, Pearl Council. Unfortunitatly we cursed by having a Municipal Affairs Dept which will not ensure that the region is administered properly.

  • i guess
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    @ Telling it how Id like it to be i guess you wont be using the road then?

  • Taxpayer
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Telling - There is one reason why Den and Shane want to be amalgamated with Mt. Pearl. They want to have some to help pay off their debts. I figure they are up to their yeng-yang in it. They spend millions like it was water and with no planning what so ever.

  • Political Watcher again
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    Telling it... I read your link and so should you. It is the lamest attempt I have ever seen to claim something. They speak of historical connection yet Sir james himeself ios buried down in St. John's next to the Anglican Cathedral and in a pretty deteoriated state; where is Mount Pearl when it comes to maintaining his grave site. We want his land but his remains can go to .....
    Then we get the road that you referenced; well, once the road is ope Mount Pearl will benefit the most with over 75% of traffic being taken off Commonwealth Ave, less traffic less costs.
    They said the service to the old Sprung must come from Mount Pearl; take a look up the road a kilometer, the service comes from St. John's, Mount Pearl and back into St. John's.
    The lame arguements go on and on.
    Not sure who prepared the report but I do hope it was free of charge.
    In closing, they say that because the Sprung Greenhouse was always referred to as Mount Pearl that should be sufficient; well, just look at the number of businesses in Mount Pearl that use and display a St. John's address.

  • Mike too
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Telling it how Id like it to be ;) from Mount Pearl, says...Have I made myself clear St. John's residents or shall I get out my crayons and draw you a picture??? ... ask the wizard of oz from [sic] a brain.

    Seriously? Name-calling.

    Most people in St. John's could care less about what's happening in da Pearl and they could care less about amalgamation. To paraphrase Al Capone: they don't even know what street Mt. Pearl is on.

    BUT we share services and as such, should share costs. End of story.

  • I. P. Freely
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Hard to believe that rural communities are bitching and complaining about 170 bucks a year for garbage pick up. One thing I can assure all of us, is that with this 3 main landfill idea, our woods will soon be filled with so much garbage that you won't be able to walk around a pond to go trouting. The Newfies among us will be loaden' up da pick ups, and headin' to da local gravel pit... just like their forefathers did.

  • Audacity
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    Hey:
    Telling it how Id like it to be ;) from Mount Pearl, NL

    Uh, so, can we assume that you won't use the new highway, you won't get off any of the off-ramps near Mount Pearl and enter your lovely city?

    Also, I read that whole PDF file you quoted which is again: http://www.ma.gov.nl.ca/ma/publications/mpbs/proposal.pdf

    The map is on page 7 of 7.

    Ok, this is pie in the sky stuff too. What a cute, hopeful little wishlist. Um, according to the logic of this document, the entire city of Mount Pearl should be ceded to St. John's, since all the water comes from the water treatment system, pipes and lake in St. John's. Just because it may flow through the pretty little city of Mount Pearl, and then hooked into this other part of St. John's doesn't mean it should be handed over to a tiny city desperate to increase its tax base, possibly at the cost of responsible, sensible, sustainable development and at the cost of the rivers and trees that will suffer from maximizing every square foot of space. There were wetlands which are nature's filters obliterated for the sake of yet another walmart etc., were there not?

    Anyway, also by this logic, because something flows underground into one municipality from another, then conversely, all of St. John's should become Mount Pearl because all of your sewage goes into the new treatment plant down by St. John's harbour.

    You are so lucky, I have lived in many cities around Canada actually, and not often do big cities extend their public transit buses into other little tiny separate suburbs.

    The aforementioned PDF mentioned some concepts such as use and citizen impressions and perceptions of what part of which city is which.

    Mount Pearlians refer to downtown St. John's as Downtown.

    People from outside the province make no distinction as to Mount Pearl somehow being separate. It's all St. John's to them, laughably so.

    In fact, many citizens of Mount Pearl are sensible enough not to make a distinction either.

    Realistically, sensibly, from the standpoint of the rest of the planet, a little tiny suburb surrounded by a city is ludicrous.

    And finally, Honourable Mayor Simms: visionary is good thing by any definition, why would you try make it out to be otherwise?

    I never thought I would see Randy Simms and visionary in the same sentence.

  • well
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    you my father was from New York, he had 2 things he used ot ove to watch , the house of commons and the city hall meeting . He called them the best comedys he ever seen , things never change

  • JM
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    The city of St. John's will be starting up it's roadside recycling prgram this year. Anyone who got a garbage pick up schedule should have seen this. The Team Gushue highway which currently ends at Kenmount, will be the new access road to the Goulds from St. John's - THROUGH MOUNT PERAL. Unless a suspension bridge the size of the Confederation bridge in PEI is build over Mount Pearl, it will travel accross the city's land mass and into the Goulds, hence it will be a part of Mount Pearl, and Pearlites should pay taxes on it too.

  • Political Watcher
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    Simms says that Mount Pearl is Visionary; sure when it comes to any major decision including the setting of tax rates, they just wait until St. John's sets theirs and copies it. Same for and rules and regulations so it is easy to be a visionary when someone else is doing the lions share of the work.
    With all the major core services now being provided or administered by St. John's, and very well I may add, one has to wonder why we are paying several millions of dollars in an administration that is really not needed.
    That will save 10's of millions.

  • Todd
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    I think you people are misreading the article. I think the reason Mount Pearl pulled out was because the committee was Visionary not because Mount Pearl was Visionary . I would think that was just a nice way of saying that the committee was all talk and no action.....

  • Telling it how Id
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    What I find truly amazing is residents from St. John's will bash Mount Pearl. They will bash it for its services, its roads, its taxes, its garbage, its lack of elevators, hospitals, etc. etc.

    But when all the bashing is done, when they've bashed everything they can possibly they can possibly think of, you know what they end it with?

    Lets amalgamate..???


    I have never heard any resident of Mount Pearl suggest the idea of amalgamating with St. John's never. It truly boggles mind who hypocritical the residents and city council of St John's is when they continually bash us but then beg us to join them.

    As for snow clearing, Mount Pearl does just fine clearing what has to be done for their city. St. John's does a shyte job, it's as simple as that.

    As for this Team Gushue highway...you want to know why Mount Pearl is not antying up any coin for this???

    It's simple, the highway DOES NOT DOES NOT
    DOES NOT
    DOES NOT
    DOES NOT
    DOES NOT
    DOES NOT go through Mount Pearl.

    Check the link below,
    http://www.ma.gov.nl.ca/ma/publications/mpbs/proposal.pdf

    this highway in NO WAY. I repeat NO WAY ENTERS THE CITY OF MOUNT PEARL.

    Have I made myself clear St. John's residents or shall I get out my crayons and draw you a picture???

    This highway has been designed to link the Goulds with St. John's, not Mount Pearl with St. John's.

    If you still don't get it, ask the wizard of oz from a brain.

  • Mike
    July 01, 2010 - 20:20

    With all this bickering most of it petty and some the result of personality clashes between and within city councils a stronger case is being made for amalgamation. If its not recycling, its highway maintenance and whos responsible for clearing snow, or dealing with the costs of fixing the antiquated water supply and other aging infrastructure, etc, etc;

    While its true St. Johns does not have a recycling program, I believe pilots were carried out to help develop a cost-effective and efficient program. And if anyone believes Mt. Pearl is visionary, they are delusional as Randy Simms.

    The fact remains that both councils have a lot on common both dysfunctional and both breaking promises once an election is over - see mill rates. Amalgamation may not solve this, but at least wed have less replication of services and money wasting committees. And having all these bozos under one roof would result in one vote and hopefully less juvenile finger pointing.

  • Watcher
    July 01, 2010 - 20:20

    If you still don't get it, ask the wizard of oz from a brain.

    Telling it how Id like it to be, meet irony.

  • Taypayer
    July 01, 2010 - 20:19

    Political Watcher are you really from Mt Pearl. At least that City had a recycling program. While Sin John's was sitting on it's hands whining about the expense and telling us that they would do something in the future and it was always in the future. Sin John's is the most disfunctional municipality in the Province bar none. The residents would be far better off if the Council was disbanded and the City administered by yes even the Mt, Pearl Council. Unfortunitatly we cursed by having a Municipal Affairs Dept which will not ensure that the region is administered properly.

  • i guess
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    @ Telling it how Id like it to be i guess you wont be using the road then?

  • Taxpayer
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    Telling - There is one reason why Den and Shane want to be amalgamated with Mt. Pearl. They want to have some to help pay off their debts. I figure they are up to their yeng-yang in it. They spend millions like it was water and with no planning what so ever.

  • Political Watcher again
    July 01, 2010 - 20:07

    Telling it... I read your link and so should you. It is the lamest attempt I have ever seen to claim something. They speak of historical connection yet Sir james himeself ios buried down in St. John's next to the Anglican Cathedral and in a pretty deteoriated state; where is Mount Pearl when it comes to maintaining his grave site. We want his land but his remains can go to .....
    Then we get the road that you referenced; well, once the road is ope Mount Pearl will benefit the most with over 75% of traffic being taken off Commonwealth Ave, less traffic less costs.
    They said the service to the old Sprung must come from Mount Pearl; take a look up the road a kilometer, the service comes from St. John's, Mount Pearl and back into St. John's.
    The lame arguements go on and on.
    Not sure who prepared the report but I do hope it was free of charge.
    In closing, they say that because the Sprung Greenhouse was always referred to as Mount Pearl that should be sufficient; well, just look at the number of businesses in Mount Pearl that use and display a St. John's address.

  • Mike too
    July 01, 2010 - 20:06

    Telling it how Id like it to be ;) from Mount Pearl, says...Have I made myself clear St. John's residents or shall I get out my crayons and draw you a picture??? ... ask the wizard of oz from [sic] a brain.

    Seriously? Name-calling.

    Most people in St. John's could care less about what's happening in da Pearl and they could care less about amalgamation. To paraphrase Al Capone: they don't even know what street Mt. Pearl is on.

    BUT we share services and as such, should share costs. End of story.

  • I. P. Freely
    July 01, 2010 - 20:06

    Hard to believe that rural communities are bitching and complaining about 170 bucks a year for garbage pick up. One thing I can assure all of us, is that with this 3 main landfill idea, our woods will soon be filled with so much garbage that you won't be able to walk around a pond to go trouting. The Newfies among us will be loaden' up da pick ups, and headin' to da local gravel pit... just like their forefathers did.

  • Audacity
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    Hey:
    Telling it how Id like it to be ;) from Mount Pearl, NL

    Uh, so, can we assume that you won't use the new highway, you won't get off any of the off-ramps near Mount Pearl and enter your lovely city?

    Also, I read that whole PDF file you quoted which is again: http://www.ma.gov.nl.ca/ma/publications/mpbs/proposal.pdf

    The map is on page 7 of 7.

    Ok, this is pie in the sky stuff too. What a cute, hopeful little wishlist. Um, according to the logic of this document, the entire city of Mount Pearl should be ceded to St. John's, since all the water comes from the water treatment system, pipes and lake in St. John's. Just because it may flow through the pretty little city of Mount Pearl, and then hooked into this other part of St. John's doesn't mean it should be handed over to a tiny city desperate to increase its tax base, possibly at the cost of responsible, sensible, sustainable development and at the cost of the rivers and trees that will suffer from maximizing every square foot of space. There were wetlands which are nature's filters obliterated for the sake of yet another walmart etc., were there not?

    Anyway, also by this logic, because something flows underground into one municipality from another, then conversely, all of St. John's should become Mount Pearl because all of your sewage goes into the new treatment plant down by St. John's harbour.

    You are so lucky, I have lived in many cities around Canada actually, and not often do big cities extend their public transit buses into other little tiny separate suburbs.

    The aforementioned PDF mentioned some concepts such as use and citizen impressions and perceptions of what part of which city is which.

    Mount Pearlians refer to downtown St. John's as Downtown.

    People from outside the province make no distinction as to Mount Pearl somehow being separate. It's all St. John's to them, laughably so.

    In fact, many citizens of Mount Pearl are sensible enough not to make a distinction either.

    Realistically, sensibly, from the standpoint of the rest of the planet, a little tiny suburb surrounded by a city is ludicrous.

    And finally, Honourable Mayor Simms: visionary is good thing by any definition, why would you try make it out to be otherwise?

    I never thought I would see Randy Simms and visionary in the same sentence.

  • well
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    you my father was from New York, he had 2 things he used ot ove to watch , the house of commons and the city hall meeting . He called them the best comedys he ever seen , things never change

  • JM
    July 01, 2010 - 19:51

    The city of St. John's will be starting up it's roadside recycling prgram this year. Anyone who got a garbage pick up schedule should have seen this. The Team Gushue highway which currently ends at Kenmount, will be the new access road to the Goulds from St. John's - THROUGH MOUNT PERAL. Unless a suspension bridge the size of the Confederation bridge in PEI is build over Mount Pearl, it will travel accross the city's land mass and into the Goulds, hence it will be a part of Mount Pearl, and Pearlites should pay taxes on it too.

  • Political Watcher
    July 01, 2010 - 19:50

    Simms says that Mount Pearl is Visionary; sure when it comes to any major decision including the setting of tax rates, they just wait until St. John's sets theirs and copies it. Same for and rules and regulations so it is easy to be a visionary when someone else is doing the lions share of the work.
    With all the major core services now being provided or administered by St. John's, and very well I may add, one has to wonder why we are paying several millions of dollars in an administration that is really not needed.
    That will save 10's of millions.

  • Todd
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    I think you people are misreading the article. I think the reason Mount Pearl pulled out was because the committee was Visionary not because Mount Pearl was Visionary . I would think that was just a nice way of saying that the committee was all talk and no action.....