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  • Louise
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    May whoever did this damage to the church rot in hell.

  • Daphne
    July 02, 2010 - 13:32

    I am a Tucker also and my father comes from there and I am sure he was involved in this little church by the sea.My father rest there and so do my memories of my father.

    When I am visiting back home I always go to St,philips and that is the first thing I see it puts a smile on my face.It tells me where I belong and where my family belongs and where I come from the Tuckers.

    I don,t understand why someone would want to destroy that little church by the sea.My little Home

  • member of the 20%
    July 02, 2010 - 13:31

    Could this signal the collapse of Christianity in the Western World? If so, globally, there should be less corruption, abuse, and peace may break out.

  • don
    July 02, 2010 - 13:28

    Typical rural Newfoundland thuggery. If they don't or can't get their way, they will resort to violence, threats, vandalism, harassment, you name it. I spoke to a fellow from around the bay who told me that he once opposed a money wasting political slush fund development in a small town in rural Newfoundland. The local thugs, hired by the developer, slashed his car tires, scratched the paint on his car, broke windows out of his summer home, shot his dog and threatened to run him out of town back to St. John's where he belonged. Looks like that kind of rural Newfoundland thuggery is alive and well. The police don't care and the Courts will not impose harsh penalties against these thugs if they ever get caught.

  • JS
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    David from NL writes: Wow. Even for Newfoundland, where cowardly acts are commonplace, that's pretty low

    Nice thing to say about the people of your own province David!

  • David
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    JS: Thanks for re-posting it .... the truth deserves to be told at least twice as much.

  • Sounding
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    What is it with St. Philips and Portugal Cove over rackets with building development and eye sores and land disputes and now steeple toppling ! The arse is outta 'er b'ys

  • Bonny
    July 02, 2010 - 13:24

    Here's the church, there's goes the steeple, man-o-man look at the pissed off people.

  • Another Tucker
    July 02, 2010 - 13:24

    Yes, another Tucker from St. Philip's here to put my two cents in. As with the other Tuckers, I was baptized and confirmed in the old church as was my brother, sister and all my cousins. All of our parents were married there, so were our grandparents. My grandmother was an extremely active member of the parish and is now resting in its cemetery. She was active in the old church as well as the new church. I don't believe she felt as though it was the building that made the church, but the people that attended. She would be embarrassed by her communities actions and I am embarrassed for her.

    St. Philips has a hard reputation at times and it's behaviour like this that solidifies people's opinions. Whoever tore down the steeple did so out of spite to get their point across. Congratulations, you did it, you know how to act like a spoiled child.

    As for the actual building, it was time for it to either be torn down or restored. It has been sitting empty and dangerous for many years. While the building does hold a very special place in my heart, I'm not opposed to using the land for something else. The cemetery is only so big and I know that my grandmother would love for her family to be able to be buried there some day.

  • Tucker
    July 02, 2010 - 13:24

    My last name is Tucker. Many people will recognize this means I am most likely from St. Philip's, which is the case.

    Many, many members of my family have gone to that church since it was built. I have no doubt in my mind that we played a large role in building it. And ever since, we've been baptized there, confirmed there, married there, buried there. I'm more than qualified and entitled to have an opinion on this subject.

    I'm willing to bet that a big part of the problem is that the population of the town has grown a lot since I was little and a lot of the people there now have little or no history in the community and little or no regard for the old church. Obviously Reverend Keeping falls into that group. It's just a building to them, and if it's old and unused and run-down, then it's an eyesore and must be eliminated. I can't imagine that anyone whose family ever had something important happen in that church would have anything to do with what happened this morning.

    I no longer live in St. Philip's, and I have no interest in ever stepping foot in the new church again. Some of the people in that town have obviously lost their minds. I understand that the Church By The Sea group is working and willing to take possession of the old church building and rehabilitate it at no cost to the Anglican church. Even so, they are dead-set on demolishing it? And to go to these lengths?

    I'm not religious. Here's another reason why.

  • David
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    Wow. Even for Newfoundland, where cowardly acts are commonplace, that's pretty low.

    A lot of good people spent their lives and their sweat building that church.

    But hey, that tax-free land is worth a pretty penny in today's petro market.

    Frig those losers, praise the Lord!

  • Tear Down This
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    I agree, the church should charge all those people trespassing right now and removing items from private property. Where is the RNC? They are permitting the left of private property right in front of their eyes. Disgraceful neglect of duty by the RNC.

  • member of the 20%
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    Don, you're an idiot! Acts of thuggery take place in both rural and urban settings. Its the racist, bigotry mentality like yours that fuel conflicts...townies vs. baymen; black vs. white; Christians vs. Muslims; etc. Live and let live, nimrod.

  • Sandra
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    This is very sad. I think the parish is bitter because church attendance has been declining for years and they are angry that the only interest seems to be in saving the building, not actually attending church and being part of the parish. I think this issue actually represented an opportunity for the parish to reach out to the community and rekindle some of those ties. Obviously the parish would have had to set its terms - it needs x amount of dollars within x period of time, and it needs x amount of land for its cemetary needs. Why couldn't they sit down and at least have that conversation, perhaps with a mediator? If the heritage group couldn't meet that need, then by all means, the parish has to take care of its business, but it seems like pure vindictiveness that they didn't even try.

  • Tucker
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    ''Not Tucker from Portugal Cove'': The evidence is right there on the ground outside the old church, and when that building is gone St. John's may as well take it over because it'll be just another piece of anonymous suburbia.

    As you say, you wish there would be a referendum on the subject and I assume you'd vote to join the city. Well, there you go. Thank you for proving my point for me. Some of us have many generations of history in the community that we care about. You may not, but that doesn't give you the right to take a dump on those that do.

    Personally, I wish Portugal Cove had amalgamated with St. John's all those years ago and left St. Philip's alone. I know I'm not the only one.

  • Did you obtain
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    So did this so called security that will be sitting on private property tonight obtain written permission from the owners prior to this illegal occupation? I hope so otherwise expect to be arrested for trespassing.

  • what odds
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    one less church in the world.

  • Leo
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    I do not agree with the way the old church was desicrated, and hopefully those responsible will be put away so far that you will have to pump sunshine to them. If they are young people then charge the parents. Whoever did this should be forced to pay all costs to restore the old church to it's origional state. This seems to be just plain hatred on someons part. Don,t they know that the old church is known worldwide, and should be recognised as an historic site.

  • Michael
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    No reason to leave it standing now.

  • Things like this
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    Seems like private property to me. Did the owner call the RNC to investigate or did they just show up for crowd control? No reason for the caretaker or parish priest to be present if they do not have an issue with it. They should have no trespassing signs put up and have the RNC arrest those that are caught gawking now on private property though.

  • Not Tucker
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    'Tucker' outlines a key problem in Portugal Cove-St. Philip's: The 'Us' and 'Them' mentality. Even when the community amalgamated, they couldn't agree on a single all-encompassing name. The minister is called an 'outsider'; people who haven't set foot in the community in years are considered 'insiders' because of the luck of their birth; and 'insiders' think they have more rights to speak their mind than 'outsiders' who live in and serve the community. At this point, I wish there'd be a referendum from the province to allow St. John's to take it over. I know my vote!

  • Enough of
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    I give this so called group 24 hours to move it from church property. Failing that it needs to come down. It is unsafe. Let's see them put their money where their mouths are, or is that asking too much.

    When Granny kicks the bucket and she has to be tossed into the ground in St. Johns I wonder how happy the Church By The Sea Group will be then. This dangerous structure must be removed or be torn down. End of story.

  • Brian
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    Once upon a time, I thought that the purpose of the church was to provide service and guidance to the residents of the local community. Unfortunately, the ability of the local vestry to perform this function is influenced by both the reverand and the petty politics of the diocese.

    Sadly, the days of selfless service seem to have been completely abolished by human greed, and the sad pursuit of power and ficticious respect.

    I hope the Reverand, the diocese, and certain members of the vestry one day find the humility to be ashamed of the way in which they've handled this situation, and the way they've failed to respect the very people they feign to serve.

    To the persons who vandalized the old church - you are truly cowards.

    If anything, this petty terrorism is more of a reason to preserve such a historical building. I'm certain that the large majority of St. Phillip's residents feel the same.

    - Brian Crane (currently in Brisbane, Australia)

  • Lesleigh
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    I think this is pretty low. I don't think the church should be demolished, I think its history adds something to the town-a link to a past that in generations to come will be so distant that a reminder might be needed of the past and the way others lived.

    Whoever did this should be arrested and convicted.

    But hey, if not in this life, maybe their next?

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    It will only be considered a crime if it was someone not sanctioned by the church who pulled it down...

  • Billy
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Won't Member of the 20% be surprised when they DO abolish Christianity and corruption, abuse and conflict still thrive and flourish!

  • TJ
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Looks like a few Black Metal demon worshipers have invaded St. Philips.

  • Stephanie
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Its sad to see what some people would do just to get their point across. What is that going to prove? Absolutely nothing! I hope they get caught and charged.

  • Supporter of the church
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    I didn't think that the church was private property. I thought it belonged to the people.

    The people that support all the fund raising. The people that work so hard and donate so much time to try to help the church pay the bills.

    We are the church, if not for us there would be no building.

    We have supported the old church and now the new church. And if some of us had a different view of what should happen to the old building a Minister that is only here for a short while should stand back and let the people perserve some history and be proud of the past as well as the future.

  • Louise
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    May whoever did this damage to the church rot in hell.

  • Daphne
    July 01, 2010 - 20:21

    I am a Tucker also and my father comes from there and I am sure he was involved in this little church by the sea.My father rest there and so do my memories of my father.

    When I am visiting back home I always go to St,philips and that is the first thing I see it puts a smile on my face.It tells me where I belong and where my family belongs and where I come from the Tuckers.

    I don,t understand why someone would want to destroy that little church by the sea.My little Home

  • member of the 20%
    July 01, 2010 - 20:20

    Could this signal the collapse of Christianity in the Western World? If so, globally, there should be less corruption, abuse, and peace may break out.

  • don
    July 01, 2010 - 20:15

    Typical rural Newfoundland thuggery. If they don't or can't get their way, they will resort to violence, threats, vandalism, harassment, you name it. I spoke to a fellow from around the bay who told me that he once opposed a money wasting political slush fund development in a small town in rural Newfoundland. The local thugs, hired by the developer, slashed his car tires, scratched the paint on his car, broke windows out of his summer home, shot his dog and threatened to run him out of town back to St. John's where he belonged. Looks like that kind of rural Newfoundland thuggery is alive and well. The police don't care and the Courts will not impose harsh penalties against these thugs if they ever get caught.

  • JS
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    David from NL writes: Wow. Even for Newfoundland, where cowardly acts are commonplace, that's pretty low

    Nice thing to say about the people of your own province David!

  • David
    July 01, 2010 - 20:12

    JS: Thanks for re-posting it .... the truth deserves to be told at least twice as much.

  • Sounding
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    What is it with St. Philips and Portugal Cove over rackets with building development and eye sores and land disputes and now steeple toppling ! The arse is outta 'er b'ys

  • Bonny
    July 01, 2010 - 20:10

    Here's the church, there's goes the steeple, man-o-man look at the pissed off people.

  • Another Tucker
    July 01, 2010 - 20:09

    Yes, another Tucker from St. Philip's here to put my two cents in. As with the other Tuckers, I was baptized and confirmed in the old church as was my brother, sister and all my cousins. All of our parents were married there, so were our grandparents. My grandmother was an extremely active member of the parish and is now resting in its cemetery. She was active in the old church as well as the new church. I don't believe she felt as though it was the building that made the church, but the people that attended. She would be embarrassed by her communities actions and I am embarrassed for her.

    St. Philips has a hard reputation at times and it's behaviour like this that solidifies people's opinions. Whoever tore down the steeple did so out of spite to get their point across. Congratulations, you did it, you know how to act like a spoiled child.

    As for the actual building, it was time for it to either be torn down or restored. It has been sitting empty and dangerous for many years. While the building does hold a very special place in my heart, I'm not opposed to using the land for something else. The cemetery is only so big and I know that my grandmother would love for her family to be able to be buried there some day.

  • Tucker
    July 01, 2010 - 20:09

    My last name is Tucker. Many people will recognize this means I am most likely from St. Philip's, which is the case.

    Many, many members of my family have gone to that church since it was built. I have no doubt in my mind that we played a large role in building it. And ever since, we've been baptized there, confirmed there, married there, buried there. I'm more than qualified and entitled to have an opinion on this subject.

    I'm willing to bet that a big part of the problem is that the population of the town has grown a lot since I was little and a lot of the people there now have little or no history in the community and little or no regard for the old church. Obviously Reverend Keeping falls into that group. It's just a building to them, and if it's old and unused and run-down, then it's an eyesore and must be eliminated. I can't imagine that anyone whose family ever had something important happen in that church would have anything to do with what happened this morning.

    I no longer live in St. Philip's, and I have no interest in ever stepping foot in the new church again. Some of the people in that town have obviously lost their minds. I understand that the Church By The Sea group is working and willing to take possession of the old church building and rehabilitate it at no cost to the Anglican church. Even so, they are dead-set on demolishing it? And to go to these lengths?

    I'm not religious. Here's another reason why.

  • David
    July 01, 2010 - 20:09

    Wow. Even for Newfoundland, where cowardly acts are commonplace, that's pretty low.

    A lot of good people spent their lives and their sweat building that church.

    But hey, that tax-free land is worth a pretty penny in today's petro market.

    Frig those losers, praise the Lord!

  • Tear Down This
    July 01, 2010 - 20:05

    I agree, the church should charge all those people trespassing right now and removing items from private property. Where is the RNC? They are permitting the left of private property right in front of their eyes. Disgraceful neglect of duty by the RNC.

  • member of the 20%
    July 01, 2010 - 20:04

    Don, you're an idiot! Acts of thuggery take place in both rural and urban settings. Its the racist, bigotry mentality like yours that fuel conflicts...townies vs. baymen; black vs. white; Christians vs. Muslims; etc. Live and let live, nimrod.

  • Sandra
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    This is very sad. I think the parish is bitter because church attendance has been declining for years and they are angry that the only interest seems to be in saving the building, not actually attending church and being part of the parish. I think this issue actually represented an opportunity for the parish to reach out to the community and rekindle some of those ties. Obviously the parish would have had to set its terms - it needs x amount of dollars within x period of time, and it needs x amount of land for its cemetary needs. Why couldn't they sit down and at least have that conversation, perhaps with a mediator? If the heritage group couldn't meet that need, then by all means, the parish has to take care of its business, but it seems like pure vindictiveness that they didn't even try.

  • Tucker
    July 01, 2010 - 20:01

    ''Not Tucker from Portugal Cove'': The evidence is right there on the ground outside the old church, and when that building is gone St. John's may as well take it over because it'll be just another piece of anonymous suburbia.

    As you say, you wish there would be a referendum on the subject and I assume you'd vote to join the city. Well, there you go. Thank you for proving my point for me. Some of us have many generations of history in the community that we care about. You may not, but that doesn't give you the right to take a dump on those that do.

    Personally, I wish Portugal Cove had amalgamated with St. John's all those years ago and left St. Philip's alone. I know I'm not the only one.

  • Did you obtain
    July 01, 2010 - 20:00

    So did this so called security that will be sitting on private property tonight obtain written permission from the owners prior to this illegal occupation? I hope so otherwise expect to be arrested for trespassing.

  • what odds
    July 01, 2010 - 19:58

    one less church in the world.

  • Leo
    July 01, 2010 - 19:58

    I do not agree with the way the old church was desicrated, and hopefully those responsible will be put away so far that you will have to pump sunshine to them. If they are young people then charge the parents. Whoever did this should be forced to pay all costs to restore the old church to it's origional state. This seems to be just plain hatred on someons part. Don,t they know that the old church is known worldwide, and should be recognised as an historic site.

  • Michael
    July 01, 2010 - 19:58

    No reason to leave it standing now.

  • Things like this
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    Seems like private property to me. Did the owner call the RNC to investigate or did they just show up for crowd control? No reason for the caretaker or parish priest to be present if they do not have an issue with it. They should have no trespassing signs put up and have the RNC arrest those that are caught gawking now on private property though.

  • Not Tucker
    July 01, 2010 - 19:56

    'Tucker' outlines a key problem in Portugal Cove-St. Philip's: The 'Us' and 'Them' mentality. Even when the community amalgamated, they couldn't agree on a single all-encompassing name. The minister is called an 'outsider'; people who haven't set foot in the community in years are considered 'insiders' because of the luck of their birth; and 'insiders' think they have more rights to speak their mind than 'outsiders' who live in and serve the community. At this point, I wish there'd be a referendum from the province to allow St. John's to take it over. I know my vote!

  • Enough of
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    I give this so called group 24 hours to move it from church property. Failing that it needs to come down. It is unsafe. Let's see them put their money where their mouths are, or is that asking too much.

    When Granny kicks the bucket and she has to be tossed into the ground in St. Johns I wonder how happy the Church By The Sea Group will be then. This dangerous structure must be removed or be torn down. End of story.

  • Brian
    July 01, 2010 - 19:50

    Once upon a time, I thought that the purpose of the church was to provide service and guidance to the residents of the local community. Unfortunately, the ability of the local vestry to perform this function is influenced by both the reverand and the petty politics of the diocese.

    Sadly, the days of selfless service seem to have been completely abolished by human greed, and the sad pursuit of power and ficticious respect.

    I hope the Reverand, the diocese, and certain members of the vestry one day find the humility to be ashamed of the way in which they've handled this situation, and the way they've failed to respect the very people they feign to serve.

    To the persons who vandalized the old church - you are truly cowards.

    If anything, this petty terrorism is more of a reason to preserve such a historical building. I'm certain that the large majority of St. Phillip's residents feel the same.

    - Brian Crane (currently in Brisbane, Australia)

  • Lesleigh
    July 01, 2010 - 19:49

    I think this is pretty low. I don't think the church should be demolished, I think its history adds something to the town-a link to a past that in generations to come will be so distant that a reminder might be needed of the past and the way others lived.

    Whoever did this should be arrested and convicted.

    But hey, if not in this life, maybe their next?

  • Jane
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    It will only be considered a crime if it was someone not sanctioned by the church who pulled it down...

  • Billy
    July 01, 2010 - 19:47

    Won't Member of the 20% be surprised when they DO abolish Christianity and corruption, abuse and conflict still thrive and flourish!

  • TJ
    July 01, 2010 - 19:47

    Looks like a few Black Metal demon worshipers have invaded St. Philips.

  • Stephanie
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    Its sad to see what some people would do just to get their point across. What is that going to prove? Absolutely nothing! I hope they get caught and charged.

  • Supporter of the church
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    I didn't think that the church was private property. I thought it belonged to the people.

    The people that support all the fund raising. The people that work so hard and donate so much time to try to help the church pay the bills.

    We are the church, if not for us there would be no building.

    We have supported the old church and now the new church. And if some of us had a different view of what should happen to the old building a Minister that is only here for a short while should stand back and let the people perserve some history and be proud of the past as well as the future.