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  • karen
    July 02, 2010 - 13:33

    While it's true that Hillier may have been outspoken (rude) at times, we all have to admit that under such extreme political pressure none of us would shine. Are all the other senior ranking officers (Stack, Burt, Camsell, and Coombs) prepared for the critical scrutiny that comes with Chief National Defence post?

  • Nathan
    July 02, 2010 - 13:32

    Gen Hillier has done as much as any one man can for Afghanistan. He was more than right in calling the Taliban leadership scumbags.

    When Western Forces leave A-Stan, any failures on the part of those Western Forces certainly will not lay on Hillier's shoulders.

    In the last 50 years, Canada, and it's military, has been a joke amongst our allies, and it's only because of Hillier, Paul Martin, and Stephen Harper, than that is no longer the case.

    The fact that you still refer back to peacekeeping shows what a fool you are. Peacekeeping was a curtain to hide from the Canadian people what the government was doing to our military - destroying it.

  • Polly
    July 02, 2010 - 13:32

    Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box. ~Italian Proverb

  • Politically Incorrect
    July 02, 2010 - 13:28

    Spot-on Jerome. This man is a simply another right-wing redneck. I don't give a dann where he's from. He's just another lackey of the corporate elite... not unlike the politically correct pro-war apologists here -- except he got paid for it.

  • Jerome
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Another Hillier?

    I certainly hope not.

    Rick Hillier would have been more perfectly suited to Bush and Rumsfield than what Canada has stood for in the last fifty years.

    Calling people in a foreign land ''scumbags'' isn't something I would usually associate with a Canadian helping bring peace to a country.

    Telling a people how they should live and what kind of government they should have is something our southern neighbours have been doing for some time now. How has that worked?

    When Western forces leave Afghanistan, does anyone believe that women will have the same rights as men or teenage girls will walk down the street listening to their Ipods? I'm afraid not.

    To change a culture takes generations. Are Canadiand satisfied to stay until that change takes place?

  • Gerry
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Jerome, get your head out of the sand & take off your rose-coloured glasses & see the world for what it really is. What would YOU call these 'foreign' terrorists who stone females, consider their wives & daughters as chattel? Do you consider them just misunderstood??

    Too bad this site didn't have emoticons 'roll eyes'

  • Hinterland
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    Robert said , while defending using force to change the culture in Afghanistan
    I suggest you also need to go to Holland and speak to someone there regarding what they think of Canada and why.
    Totally different scenario ,Robert .We were defending the freedom of our ancestors in Holland against some of our more militant ancestors - the Germans, and we were only trying to change their racist and superman viewpoints , and halt the genocide and their world domination goal .We knew that if we contained them there ; the western hemisphere would breathe freely again .Apart from the Nazi aberrations, we are basically the same people .You have mistakenly set up a very poor analogy.

  • Robert
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    Jerome!

    Mr. Hillier already has the heart of most Newfoundlanders. I suspect if he decided he wanted to be Prime minister the current leaders would scramble to get out of his way.

    This weekend just happens to be the memorial weekend for Americans. I suggest you need to visit Arlington to even grasp what the USA has spent to defend your freedom. The right you have to express your opinion in this paper came because brave people stepped forward to assure this right.

    Your foolish notion that Canada's peace keeping role could have dealt with the likes of Hitler proves you know nothing of the price paid for peace.

    And finally the time will come when young girls in Afghanistan will know opportunity and they will always know that Canadian blood bought that opportunity. I suggest you also need to go to Holland and speak to someone there regarding what they think of Canada and why.

  • Polly
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    B - R- A- V- O ------- Jerome . I expressed those same sentiments a few years back . I guess those words still ring true today .

  • Jerome
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    Well, here I am, a poor misguided soul, wearing rose coloured glasses and with my head buried in the sand, but for anyone to suggest I'm equating the Taliban with Hitler, is delusional.
    A superpower (as Germany was at the time) led by a maniacal bigot whose goal was world domination is so far removed from a group in a country many, to this day, wouldn't be able to find on a map.
    Is the freedom of the Western world threatened by the Taliban?

    My niece's husband is a captain in the Canadian forces and has done a tour of duty in Afghanistan. We've talked about this on numerous occasions, and though we agree to disagree on the ''mission'', I have the utmost respect and admiration for the men and women who serve. They have a job to do and are doing it to the best of their ability.

    My initial post wasn't a criticism of General Rick Hillier. As a Newfoundlander, I'm proud of his accomplishments, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with the rhetoric he has so often espoused.

    When I visit a war memorial on November 11th., I give thanks to those who helped prevent a despot from taking over the world. The lives they gave were not in vain. If I ever get the opportunity to visit the Vietnam memorial, (58,000 killed and for what?) I will probably have different thoughts. However, my admiration of the troops who serve will not waiver.

    We are becoming too American, and I guess that's to be expected of an ultra conservative government.

    We fought and paid the price when the world was threatened, but it appears now that whatever battle our southern cousins are involved in, also involves us.
    Unfortunately, the leadership in Ottawa - from any party - is unwilling to show the USA that we have the gonads to stand as a a sovereign nation and make our own decisions.
    Is there another Lester Pearson?

  • neil
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    Grew up in Campbellton,with Rick Hillier,all Canadians should be very proud of him,i know as a Newfoundlander,and as a childhood friend i am,just goes to show the caliber of people the Rock is capable of producing.

  • Patrick
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    Jerome, Jerome, Jerome! You poor misguided uninformed soul. First of all, Gen. Hillier did not call Afghan's scumbags, he called the Taliban(most of whom are'nt Afghan), scumbags. The Canadian Army does'nt tell Afghan's how to live, nor do we intend to. We don't tell them what type of government to have, nor do we intend to. The Canadian Army is in no way attempting to change Afghan culture. How do I know all this? Because i've been there, twice, two Combat tours in southern Afghanistan, 14 months total. Have you been there? I'm guessing no.

  • karen
    July 01, 2010 - 20:22

    While it's true that Hillier may have been outspoken (rude) at times, we all have to admit that under such extreme political pressure none of us would shine. Are all the other senior ranking officers (Stack, Burt, Camsell, and Coombs) prepared for the critical scrutiny that comes with Chief National Defence post?

  • Nathan
    July 01, 2010 - 20:21

    Gen Hillier has done as much as any one man can for Afghanistan. He was more than right in calling the Taliban leadership scumbags.

    When Western Forces leave A-Stan, any failures on the part of those Western Forces certainly will not lay on Hillier's shoulders.

    In the last 50 years, Canada, and it's military, has been a joke amongst our allies, and it's only because of Hillier, Paul Martin, and Stephen Harper, than that is no longer the case.

    The fact that you still refer back to peacekeeping shows what a fool you are. Peacekeeping was a curtain to hide from the Canadian people what the government was doing to our military - destroying it.

  • Polly
    July 01, 2010 - 20:20

    Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box. ~Italian Proverb

  • Politically Incorrect
    July 01, 2010 - 20:16

    Spot-on Jerome. This man is a simply another right-wing redneck. I don't give a dann where he's from. He's just another lackey of the corporate elite... not unlike the politically correct pro-war apologists here -- except he got paid for it.

  • Jerome
    July 01, 2010 - 20:15

    Another Hillier?

    I certainly hope not.

    Rick Hillier would have been more perfectly suited to Bush and Rumsfield than what Canada has stood for in the last fifty years.

    Calling people in a foreign land ''scumbags'' isn't something I would usually associate with a Canadian helping bring peace to a country.

    Telling a people how they should live and what kind of government they should have is something our southern neighbours have been doing for some time now. How has that worked?

    When Western forces leave Afghanistan, does anyone believe that women will have the same rights as men or teenage girls will walk down the street listening to their Ipods? I'm afraid not.

    To change a culture takes generations. Are Canadiand satisfied to stay until that change takes place?

  • Gerry
    July 01, 2010 - 20:12

    Jerome, get your head out of the sand & take off your rose-coloured glasses & see the world for what it really is. What would YOU call these 'foreign' terrorists who stone females, consider their wives & daughters as chattel? Do you consider them just misunderstood??

    Too bad this site didn't have emoticons 'roll eyes'

  • Hinterland
    July 01, 2010 - 20:05

    Robert said , while defending using force to change the culture in Afghanistan
    I suggest you also need to go to Holland and speak to someone there regarding what they think of Canada and why.
    Totally different scenario ,Robert .We were defending the freedom of our ancestors in Holland against some of our more militant ancestors - the Germans, and we were only trying to change their racist and superman viewpoints , and halt the genocide and their world domination goal .We knew that if we contained them there ; the western hemisphere would breathe freely again .Apart from the Nazi aberrations, we are basically the same people .You have mistakenly set up a very poor analogy.

  • Robert
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    Jerome!

    Mr. Hillier already has the heart of most Newfoundlanders. I suspect if he decided he wanted to be Prime minister the current leaders would scramble to get out of his way.

    This weekend just happens to be the memorial weekend for Americans. I suggest you need to visit Arlington to even grasp what the USA has spent to defend your freedom. The right you have to express your opinion in this paper came because brave people stepped forward to assure this right.

    Your foolish notion that Canada's peace keeping role could have dealt with the likes of Hitler proves you know nothing of the price paid for peace.

    And finally the time will come when young girls in Afghanistan will know opportunity and they will always know that Canadian blood bought that opportunity. I suggest you also need to go to Holland and speak to someone there regarding what they think of Canada and why.

  • Polly
    July 01, 2010 - 19:56

    B - R- A- V- O ------- Jerome . I expressed those same sentiments a few years back . I guess those words still ring true today .

  • Jerome
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    Well, here I am, a poor misguided soul, wearing rose coloured glasses and with my head buried in the sand, but for anyone to suggest I'm equating the Taliban with Hitler, is delusional.
    A superpower (as Germany was at the time) led by a maniacal bigot whose goal was world domination is so far removed from a group in a country many, to this day, wouldn't be able to find on a map.
    Is the freedom of the Western world threatened by the Taliban?

    My niece's husband is a captain in the Canadian forces and has done a tour of duty in Afghanistan. We've talked about this on numerous occasions, and though we agree to disagree on the ''mission'', I have the utmost respect and admiration for the men and women who serve. They have a job to do and are doing it to the best of their ability.

    My initial post wasn't a criticism of General Rick Hillier. As a Newfoundlander, I'm proud of his accomplishments, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with the rhetoric he has so often espoused.

    When I visit a war memorial on November 11th., I give thanks to those who helped prevent a despot from taking over the world. The lives they gave were not in vain. If I ever get the opportunity to visit the Vietnam memorial, (58,000 killed and for what?) I will probably have different thoughts. However, my admiration of the troops who serve will not waiver.

    We are becoming too American, and I guess that's to be expected of an ultra conservative government.

    We fought and paid the price when the world was threatened, but it appears now that whatever battle our southern cousins are involved in, also involves us.
    Unfortunately, the leadership in Ottawa - from any party - is unwilling to show the USA that we have the gonads to stand as a a sovereign nation and make our own decisions.
    Is there another Lester Pearson?

  • neil
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    Grew up in Campbellton,with Rick Hillier,all Canadians should be very proud of him,i know as a Newfoundlander,and as a childhood friend i am,just goes to show the caliber of people the Rock is capable of producing.

  • Patrick
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    Jerome, Jerome, Jerome! You poor misguided uninformed soul. First of all, Gen. Hillier did not call Afghan's scumbags, he called the Taliban(most of whom are'nt Afghan), scumbags. The Canadian Army does'nt tell Afghan's how to live, nor do we intend to. We don't tell them what type of government to have, nor do we intend to. The Canadian Army is in no way attempting to change Afghan culture. How do I know all this? Because i've been there, twice, two Combat tours in southern Afghanistan, 14 months total. Have you been there? I'm guessing no.