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  • Jay
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    I just wish everybody would stop complaining, it's not like we actually have it that bad here. Our issues are only minor to a mother and child on a world vision commercial. Learn a bit of humility and be greatful for the system we have.
    My wife had an unplanned c-section, we spent 7 nights on the ward and have nothing but good things to say about the nusres and staff, but she felt very unsafe in the night time and with this new pilocy with our next child she has already expressed to me that she would feel much more comfortable knowing the doors are locked and there is a limited amount of people in the room at one time. Myself as her partner, am allowed and will be by her side anytime that I can, any other time we feel 100% confident that the staff will be there anytime she needs.
    If it wasn't for the system and the doctors we have, my wife and first child would almost certinaly not be with us today, for that I am greatful.

  • Amanda
    July 02, 2010 - 13:31

    I agree with trying to keep infants protected, but not with only having 2 visitors at a time and only during visisting hrs from 2-4 and 7-9. When I had my children i relied on the help of others. My second pregnancy I injured my tailbone and could hardly get around let alone trying to take care of an infant by myself, I dont know how i could have done it without the help of family and friends. It gets very lonely after 9 when everyone is suppose to leave. My husband used to stay until around 12 at night, which was great. Also what if you have people comming from out of town, do you expect them to only come in 2 at a time and wait outside the doors and take turns.. i would hate for that to happen.

  • K Dal
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    I think this new safety measure is a long time coming! The main issue here is SAFETY for our new mothers and babies. This is not about crowded wards, clean bed sheets, and bathrooms not being cleaned! I have personally stayed on 5NB and I never once had to change my own bed or have a dirty bathroom! Now in saying that there was one afternoon when I asked the nurse to put a sign on my door for DO NOT DISTURB because I was so exhausted and didn't care about my bathroom or room getting cleaned that day! Also I know vistors and family members have their best interests at heart but I am sorry, there were days that I didn't want to see anyone because I had been up all night with my son and I was drained and my nurse turned vistors away because it was for me & my baby. I heard her tell a vistor that I didn't want anyone right now and they got natsy with her but she stood her ground and I was so thankful for her! Those nurses are run off their feet and take abuse from all aspects! They are fantastic nurses and as on any area there is your occasional one who has an attitude or is no longer in the profession for the right reasons but there are AMAZING nurses on the Obstetrics floor and caseroom who love the job and give new mothers like me the knowledge and ease to care for our new precious miracles!

  • San
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    I'm not sure about this. Speaking as someone who has had a baby, and had a weeks stay as a result of a c-section, my memories of my stay in hospital are not pleasent. I wanted and needed my family around. When I was alone (I was on a ward, but I mean in terms of not having family) I felt isolated and very alone.

    I think what you may see happen is other women feeling this way, and wanting to leave the hospital prematurely, or have an increase in home births, so there will be no hospital visit. humm, maybe that's what they want. When I had my child, she was first grandchild for both sides, so what set of grandparents have to stay behind. I had a section, a major surgery. yet less than 24 hours I was left to care for a new born. my daugher was brought into me, I could barely move, yet, I had to nurse her, change her, LIFT her from the bassinet, and manage to get in and out of bed. Had I had my appendix out, I would have been told not to do most of that. I had to call my sister on afternoon, to sit with me and the baby so I could get some rest. Maybe they dont' want to have to many witnessess around..OH, and when I was in, the bathroom wasn't cleaned for 3 days, 4 women who just had babies, and there was blood all over the floor,,TRUE, granted it was 14 years ago, but hey, the birth of my child and the week following was the worst week of my life, and having the visiters I had made it bearable. a bit.

  • Brent
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    Now I am not a woman, and never had to go through the pain and suffering of a c-section or anything like that. I understand that dirty bathrooms and bed sheets are a serious issue and should, of course, need to be adressed. But this new policy is not about dirty bed sheets, or messy bathrooms. It's about defining a policy that will prevent breaches of security in the unit, and prevent the horrors of infant abduction. I, for one, am all for this policy.... To Santo from NL: you can't honestly believe that this policy was put in place so that more women would have their babies at home, do you? There would FAR greater health and medical risks to mother and baby if women began having live births in their homes, and would essentially increase the amount of pressure put on an already feable health care system. You cannot blame this new safety policy for the fact that the worst week of your life was the week you gave birth - that has to do with nursing duties, janitorial services, and the lack of top-quality health care service available here. If you want changes made to the level of service offered to new mothers and newborns in this province, then petition your government and health authority about it. This new policy is a safety issue, and as such, 'ways of doing things' have to change. Imgine everything the same, your poor experience and all... and then your newborn is aducted from the case room, or the maternity ward. Then you'll feel isolated; then you'll feel alone.

    And to ALICE; same thing... this policy is about safety. It's not about changing bed sheets. If you want to have bed sheets changed, then write a letter to the editor, call your MHA, rally the confederation building, and get something done about it... but don't blame dirty sheets on newborn protection ploicies.

    And finally, to AT... Having a mother decide when and how many visitors are allowed is not an idea that I agree with. If you're not fortunate enough to afford a private room, then you share a ward on 5 North B with as many as 3 other new moms. Thats 4 women who can bring in as many people as they wish, in your opinion. So the 2 families grand parents and the father, of each of the 4 new babies comes to visit whenever they please, making that 28 people in one ward, with newborns. THAT is what's ludacris. There would be no rest for any mother in that situation. And if you look into the policy, there are exceptions for fathers.

    I dont want to offend anybody with my opinion. I am the father of a boy born prematurely. He was well-protected and under lock-down in the NICU, and I was completely pleased with the hospitals safety efforts. My spouses parents, my parents, and even our siblings were able to visit. But there was a specific schedule ensuring that mother and baby most importantly were able to get their sleep. I believe, that when it comes to the safety and well-being of the baby (which is what this policy is all about), then grand-parents and visitors take a back seat. For the sake of a few tiresome, lonely or isolated days, it's rewarding to be able to leave the hospital with your baby in hand, than to have to deal with the police chief about your baby's abduction. Health care services, and the quality of health care, is a different argument for a different policy

  • Alice
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    I think this decision is Ludacris!
    Having a baby should be a joyful experience for a mother starting at birth. But speaking from experience, that is merely impossible with the treatment and help women receive from the staff after the baby is born.
    I gave birth to my daughter 4:00pm and by 11pm, the nurses brought her in to the room with me for the night when I could hardly move to take care of myself, let alone provide exceptional care to my child.
    I think that the help and support of visitors is vital for a mother's speedy recovery, and not just from 2-4 and 7-9.

    And on another note, I too was in hospital for 3 days without once getting my bed sheets changed. And when I asked to get clean ones put on, the nurse handed me the sheets to do myself. It is times like that when a visitors help is muchly needed when the nurses are too ignorant to help!

  • Tina
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    As a nurse, AND recent new mother (with another one on the way), I can't say I agree wholeheartedly with this new policy. I was in the hospital for 3 days before having my baby by unplanned c-section. I was in a ward for a day and a half while I wated for a private to be available, and I have to say, I thought I would go crazy that day.. The nurses are busy on that floor and sometimes new mothers, in their new found horemonal, and painful, existence, feel neglected and alone. There should at least be a clause to allow 1 person there any time, i.e. husband, mother, sister... its a trying time, and lonliness doesnt help.

  • claire
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    i do not agree with this. coming from a bad experience, here goes, my water had broke and was admitted into hospital monday night no labour pains so they kept me in untill morning for induction, my spouse was not aloud to stay with me, he was told to go home and come back at 9am the next day i was scheduled to be induced at this time . the next day they come to get me at 7am and start induction, said not to worry you'll have plenty of time before hubby arrives, 45 minutes later my baby arrived. i was completly alone and had given birth on my own. we still talk about it to this day. this was 4 years ago.

  • AT
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Having recently had a baby at the Health Sciences, i can't say i agree with this new policy. I do think the ward should be locked and only verified visitors allowed in, but it should be up to the mother to say when and how many visitors she wishes at any given time. I had an unplanned c-section, it was my first child, and i have a major phobia about hospitals. Without my husband with me around the clock and my parents and friends there to keep me company when my husband needed a break i don't think i would have made it through. I agree with what the PP said about feeling isolated. That's an awful lot of hours to have no one but strangers to rely on! I had to request that my husband be allowed to stay with me around the clock for medical reasons, and was lucky enough to have an admitting doctor willing to do that for me. I can't imagine that a policy of separating family in those early vulnerable hours and days is a good one!

  • San
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    I agree with you Brent, this isn't about a dirty bathroom or dirty bedsheets, (btw, I only had mine changed once during my week stay) but it's about the mom and how the mom feels during this time. I really wanted, no, needed someone around me during that time. Now I know some new moms dont' feel the same way, they are perfectly happy bonding alone with new baby. But not all of us feel that way. I know the age we live in and that some family units are not stable and maybe dad and mom are fighting or cheating and all kinds of things could be going on, but lets face it, these are isiolated cases. I think there could certainly be a comprimise. Of course keep the doors locked to the ward, heck, ID people as they come in and make them wear visitor tags, but don't look at me and tell me I can't have someone visit me. A mom could be over limit if dad comes with the other 2 kids they have.

    As for the home births. In other major centres, there are private clinics where midwives assist with the births, maybe not at home, but in a home like setting. What a perfect opportunity for someone to start that here, (if it isn't already) We are living in a society where moms are given the options to plan a c-section, once upon a time, that wasn't heard of. Many new moms want to have more say in how and when they deliver. If that options was available, and the other option was to give birth in the hospital, where she couldn't have family around, where do you think mom would go. If I was still of child bearing years, and after my first and only experience, I'd seriously consider another option.

    A new mom can decide to have a c-section on a specific date, but not able to decides who can visit her during recovery.

    Sounds like jail to me.

  • Jay
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    I just wish everybody would stop complaining, it's not like we actually have it that bad here. Our issues are only minor to a mother and child on a world vision commercial. Learn a bit of humility and be greatful for the system we have.
    My wife had an unplanned c-section, we spent 7 nights on the ward and have nothing but good things to say about the nusres and staff, but she felt very unsafe in the night time and with this new pilocy with our next child she has already expressed to me that she would feel much more comfortable knowing the doors are locked and there is a limited amount of people in the room at one time. Myself as her partner, am allowed and will be by her side anytime that I can, any other time we feel 100% confident that the staff will be there anytime she needs.
    If it wasn't for the system and the doctors we have, my wife and first child would almost certinaly not be with us today, for that I am greatful.

  • Amanda
    July 01, 2010 - 20:20

    I agree with trying to keep infants protected, but not with only having 2 visitors at a time and only during visisting hrs from 2-4 and 7-9. When I had my children i relied on the help of others. My second pregnancy I injured my tailbone and could hardly get around let alone trying to take care of an infant by myself, I dont know how i could have done it without the help of family and friends. It gets very lonely after 9 when everyone is suppose to leave. My husband used to stay until around 12 at night, which was great. Also what if you have people comming from out of town, do you expect them to only come in 2 at a time and wait outside the doors and take turns.. i would hate for that to happen.

  • K Dal
    July 01, 2010 - 20:15

    I think this new safety measure is a long time coming! The main issue here is SAFETY for our new mothers and babies. This is not about crowded wards, clean bed sheets, and bathrooms not being cleaned! I have personally stayed on 5NB and I never once had to change my own bed or have a dirty bathroom! Now in saying that there was one afternoon when I asked the nurse to put a sign on my door for DO NOT DISTURB because I was so exhausted and didn't care about my bathroom or room getting cleaned that day! Also I know vistors and family members have their best interests at heart but I am sorry, there were days that I didn't want to see anyone because I had been up all night with my son and I was drained and my nurse turned vistors away because it was for me & my baby. I heard her tell a vistor that I didn't want anyone right now and they got natsy with her but she stood her ground and I was so thankful for her! Those nurses are run off their feet and take abuse from all aspects! They are fantastic nurses and as on any area there is your occasional one who has an attitude or is no longer in the profession for the right reasons but there are AMAZING nurses on the Obstetrics floor and caseroom who love the job and give new mothers like me the knowledge and ease to care for our new precious miracles!

  • San
    July 01, 2010 - 20:01

    I'm not sure about this. Speaking as someone who has had a baby, and had a weeks stay as a result of a c-section, my memories of my stay in hospital are not pleasent. I wanted and needed my family around. When I was alone (I was on a ward, but I mean in terms of not having family) I felt isolated and very alone.

    I think what you may see happen is other women feeling this way, and wanting to leave the hospital prematurely, or have an increase in home births, so there will be no hospital visit. humm, maybe that's what they want. When I had my child, she was first grandchild for both sides, so what set of grandparents have to stay behind. I had a section, a major surgery. yet less than 24 hours I was left to care for a new born. my daugher was brought into me, I could barely move, yet, I had to nurse her, change her, LIFT her from the bassinet, and manage to get in and out of bed. Had I had my appendix out, I would have been told not to do most of that. I had to call my sister on afternoon, to sit with me and the baby so I could get some rest. Maybe they dont' want to have to many witnessess around..OH, and when I was in, the bathroom wasn't cleaned for 3 days, 4 women who just had babies, and there was blood all over the floor,,TRUE, granted it was 14 years ago, but hey, the birth of my child and the week following was the worst week of my life, and having the visiters I had made it bearable. a bit.

  • Brent
    July 01, 2010 - 20:00

    Now I am not a woman, and never had to go through the pain and suffering of a c-section or anything like that. I understand that dirty bathrooms and bed sheets are a serious issue and should, of course, need to be adressed. But this new policy is not about dirty bed sheets, or messy bathrooms. It's about defining a policy that will prevent breaches of security in the unit, and prevent the horrors of infant abduction. I, for one, am all for this policy.... To Santo from NL: you can't honestly believe that this policy was put in place so that more women would have their babies at home, do you? There would FAR greater health and medical risks to mother and baby if women began having live births in their homes, and would essentially increase the amount of pressure put on an already feable health care system. You cannot blame this new safety policy for the fact that the worst week of your life was the week you gave birth - that has to do with nursing duties, janitorial services, and the lack of top-quality health care service available here. If you want changes made to the level of service offered to new mothers and newborns in this province, then petition your government and health authority about it. This new policy is a safety issue, and as such, 'ways of doing things' have to change. Imgine everything the same, your poor experience and all... and then your newborn is aducted from the case room, or the maternity ward. Then you'll feel isolated; then you'll feel alone.

    And to ALICE; same thing... this policy is about safety. It's not about changing bed sheets. If you want to have bed sheets changed, then write a letter to the editor, call your MHA, rally the confederation building, and get something done about it... but don't blame dirty sheets on newborn protection ploicies.

    And finally, to AT... Having a mother decide when and how many visitors are allowed is not an idea that I agree with. If you're not fortunate enough to afford a private room, then you share a ward on 5 North B with as many as 3 other new moms. Thats 4 women who can bring in as many people as they wish, in your opinion. So the 2 families grand parents and the father, of each of the 4 new babies comes to visit whenever they please, making that 28 people in one ward, with newborns. THAT is what's ludacris. There would be no rest for any mother in that situation. And if you look into the policy, there are exceptions for fathers.

    I dont want to offend anybody with my opinion. I am the father of a boy born prematurely. He was well-protected and under lock-down in the NICU, and I was completely pleased with the hospitals safety efforts. My spouses parents, my parents, and even our siblings were able to visit. But there was a specific schedule ensuring that mother and baby most importantly were able to get their sleep. I believe, that when it comes to the safety and well-being of the baby (which is what this policy is all about), then grand-parents and visitors take a back seat. For the sake of a few tiresome, lonely or isolated days, it's rewarding to be able to leave the hospital with your baby in hand, than to have to deal with the police chief about your baby's abduction. Health care services, and the quality of health care, is a different argument for a different policy

  • Alice
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    I think this decision is Ludacris!
    Having a baby should be a joyful experience for a mother starting at birth. But speaking from experience, that is merely impossible with the treatment and help women receive from the staff after the baby is born.
    I gave birth to my daughter 4:00pm and by 11pm, the nurses brought her in to the room with me for the night when I could hardly move to take care of myself, let alone provide exceptional care to my child.
    I think that the help and support of visitors is vital for a mother's speedy recovery, and not just from 2-4 and 7-9.

    And on another note, I too was in hospital for 3 days without once getting my bed sheets changed. And when I asked to get clean ones put on, the nurse handed me the sheets to do myself. It is times like that when a visitors help is muchly needed when the nurses are too ignorant to help!

  • Tina
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    As a nurse, AND recent new mother (with another one on the way), I can't say I agree wholeheartedly with this new policy. I was in the hospital for 3 days before having my baby by unplanned c-section. I was in a ward for a day and a half while I wated for a private to be available, and I have to say, I thought I would go crazy that day.. The nurses are busy on that floor and sometimes new mothers, in their new found horemonal, and painful, existence, feel neglected and alone. There should at least be a clause to allow 1 person there any time, i.e. husband, mother, sister... its a trying time, and lonliness doesnt help.

  • claire
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    i do not agree with this. coming from a bad experience, here goes, my water had broke and was admitted into hospital monday night no labour pains so they kept me in untill morning for induction, my spouse was not aloud to stay with me, he was told to go home and come back at 9am the next day i was scheduled to be induced at this time . the next day they come to get me at 7am and start induction, said not to worry you'll have plenty of time before hubby arrives, 45 minutes later my baby arrived. i was completly alone and had given birth on my own. we still talk about it to this day. this was 4 years ago.

  • AT
    July 01, 2010 - 19:47

    Having recently had a baby at the Health Sciences, i can't say i agree with this new policy. I do think the ward should be locked and only verified visitors allowed in, but it should be up to the mother to say when and how many visitors she wishes at any given time. I had an unplanned c-section, it was my first child, and i have a major phobia about hospitals. Without my husband with me around the clock and my parents and friends there to keep me company when my husband needed a break i don't think i would have made it through. I agree with what the PP said about feeling isolated. That's an awful lot of hours to have no one but strangers to rely on! I had to request that my husband be allowed to stay with me around the clock for medical reasons, and was lucky enough to have an admitting doctor willing to do that for me. I can't imagine that a policy of separating family in those early vulnerable hours and days is a good one!

  • San
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    I agree with you Brent, this isn't about a dirty bathroom or dirty bedsheets, (btw, I only had mine changed once during my week stay) but it's about the mom and how the mom feels during this time. I really wanted, no, needed someone around me during that time. Now I know some new moms dont' feel the same way, they are perfectly happy bonding alone with new baby. But not all of us feel that way. I know the age we live in and that some family units are not stable and maybe dad and mom are fighting or cheating and all kinds of things could be going on, but lets face it, these are isiolated cases. I think there could certainly be a comprimise. Of course keep the doors locked to the ward, heck, ID people as they come in and make them wear visitor tags, but don't look at me and tell me I can't have someone visit me. A mom could be over limit if dad comes with the other 2 kids they have.

    As for the home births. In other major centres, there are private clinics where midwives assist with the births, maybe not at home, but in a home like setting. What a perfect opportunity for someone to start that here, (if it isn't already) We are living in a society where moms are given the options to plan a c-section, once upon a time, that wasn't heard of. Many new moms want to have more say in how and when they deliver. If that options was available, and the other option was to give birth in the hospital, where she couldn't have family around, where do you think mom would go. If I was still of child bearing years, and after my first and only experience, I'd seriously consider another option.

    A new mom can decide to have a c-section on a specific date, but not able to decides who can visit her during recovery.

    Sounds like jail to me.