Third vessel abandoned in seal hunt

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The White Bay Challenger was being escorted by the Canadian Coast Guard Ship Ann Harvey, when it was struck by ice and sank today. Photo submitted by Canadian Coast Guard

A third vessel taking part in the seal hunt has been evacuated.
The White Bay Challenger was headed towards Englee in the early morning today, escorted by the Canadian Coast Guard Ship Ann Harvey, when it was struck by ice.
Coast Guard spokesman Kevin Barnes said the vessel started taking on water.
Three pumps were placed in the vessel, which managed to keep it afloat for some time. But at about 6:30 a.m. the crew was forced to abandon the vessel.
"I guess they couldn't keep up with the ingress (of water)," said Barnes.
The seven crew members were taken aboard the Harvey, which was headed to port in St. Anthony this morning.
The vessel sank shortly after.
Two other vessels had to be abandoned since the seal hunt started on the west coast Friday and the east coast Saturday. The Lacy May burned to the waterline off Catalina on Monday, while the BS Venture went ashore near Rocky Harbour later that day.
No one was hurt in either instance.

Organizations: Canadian Coast Guard

Geographic location: Englee, St. Anthony, Rocky Harbour

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  • lynda
    March 30, 2012 - 08:47

    I am a Newfoundlander, and I can personally tell you...I know many people who are against the seal hunt. You can't judge NL's by what a few do..every province and state has those in one form or the other. I personally think Steve Watson is an arrogant son of a B. Do I have respect for his beliefs!! I certainly do. I truly hope someday that he will stop the slaughtering of baby seals. I think this is beyond disgusting. It rages me. I thank god for people like him who stand up for these animals, and if there is no place in heaven for him, theres no place for most of us. God Speed Steve

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:35

    Aspen Tree?? ....so. I'm against seal-hunting. I don't give a da#m what Canadian farmers are getting for hogs. Or that Nflders aren't getting any of that money, it's less for that Hearn assho*e to waste on ramming ships and paying lawyers to make them look like their actually working and all the hype go with it. It's all just a ploy on his part to stay in power. If he ever said one word against a swiler he'd be hove out of the province. He knows which side his bread's buttered on.

  • Tanya
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    Find sealers new employment indeed. They will leave their homes, many of them over 50 yrs old, and do the manual labor in places like Ontario, Alberta, and B.C., that the natives of those provinces are too lazy, um... educated, to do. They have to follow their children, who have already had to leave Newfoundland and Labrador.

    My father already took the buy out for his fishing licence (no fish to fish anyway) and for what?!? He finds himself out of the comfort of his home, that he worked darn hard to build, out of the island he dearly loves, and in another province every freakin year and at 60 years old, doing work that 20 and 30 years only should be doing.

    It is tradition to seal hunt. It is about the MONEY, isn't that the bottom line. Isn't it better to do it for an income than for NO reason. It is a legal cull for heaven sake. Not like we're poaching them. There are facts that you all just overlook, posting your websites about this or that, believeing what you want, not what is true. Even people from NL who don't understand.... I don't understand them.

    Taxes!!!! Newfoundlanders pay taxes too, more than other Canadians. And our tax dollars are used for some outrageous things, like accomadations for murderers of people, lazy people who don't work at all, you know where I'm going!! So I think your tax dollars should very well go towards the safety of anyone in any profession, and fishing of any kind is their profession.

    Some people from other countries, other provinces, heck even our own province have double standards, are hypocrites, are ignorant to the facts, have no business commenting on how someone else earns their income. Killing baby seals, killing baby seals, killing baby seals, find other work, find another way to earn a dollar, that's all you hear, over and over, and over, and over and over.

    Seals have contributed, but it's FOREIGNERS who have ravaged our waters. You tell me my dad, in his outport, without even a shelter is the reason we have no cod to fish!!!!!!! You know nothing of which you speak. Walk a mile in their shoes. This mess is not the fault of the outport fishermen. How freakin much fish do you think they took from us? How big are the boats they came in? I can tell you for CERTAIN they were bigger than any my father EVER fished on. All he ever did was fish, and from a 30 ft open boat... up until he could not make a living at it anymore, he was robbed by the government then, when he sold them his liscence. I venture to say, which doesn't make me any better than you people, that you have easy money, don't know how to earn money the hard way... never having had to. Assumptions.

    It's high time the Government gave something back to NL, considering everything they've taken from the province. If they have to pay 5 million to send choppers, planes, and ice breakers so these men can bring home any amount of money, it's no business of yours.

    If they use soooo much seal product in Europe, why are they banning it? Where are they gonna get it then? You all boycott Newfoundland seafood. Where do you suppose the seafood you eat comes from? As long as foreign boats grab it, it still tastes pretty darn good eh?

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    To Art Stone from Montreal, I invite you to come down and call me a DUMB Newfie to my face sir!

  • Funky
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    What do the anti-seal hunt people think about the possible banning of the hakapik?

  • Sara
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    Art Stone from Montreal, QC how dear you say something like that. You are one sick person that needs some help big time.

  • anon
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    Andrew Bland wrote: My wife and all the hunting buddies wives I know all over the USA would pay a FORTUNE to see that!!

    Maybe before you write Andrew you should think about what you are saying.

    Andew you call us morons, but might I suggest to you that you are the one who sounds like the moron, just read the dribble you wrote above. What you wrote is so contrary to what you say you feel for the seal. It is Hypocritical!

    So may I ask you Andrew if you are so enraptured by the seal, why do you, your buddies and your wives engage in hunting animals at all? Aren't you REALLY a tadbit HYPOCRITAL?

    You said that you, your Mrs. and all your hunting buddies wives all over the USA would pay a FORTUNE to see the seals.

    What is stopping you from doing so Andrew? Come and up and put your money where your mouths are and maybe you and your buddies will sow the seeds for a eco-sealing industry!

    I THINK YOU ARE TALKING A BUNCH OF GOOBLI GOB IN OTHER WORDS NONSENSE!

    You say Americans do not skin their deer alive in the United States, and neither do deer hunters in Canada, but Andrew you certainly do have your share of the most insidious murders known to mankind committed in the United States.

    The United States must be one of the most murderous countries in the world. I am sick of the crime shows shown on my cable stations that originate out of the U.S. There are so many shows and news cast featuring murders committed in the United States that it limits the availability of decent family shows.

    There must be thousands of murders every year committed in the United States

  • Funky
    July 02, 2010 - 13:33

    These protesters aren't conservationists chris (if that is your real name...hmmm). The seal population is booming, and far from extinction...therefore, there is no conservation issue here.

  • Funky
    July 02, 2010 - 13:33

    To Marcia and Andrew. The majority....vast majority of seals that are harvested are shot.

    Lots of seals around Andrew. Close to 5 million harp seals alone. Only around 250,000 are harvested every year.

  • Robert
    July 02, 2010 - 13:33

    The wrong name went on my comment before, my apologies for the error.

    Linda, where do you get off? I live in Newfoundland but do not support the seal hunt. I already said that. Get a clue and stop belittling an entire province for what some of its people do. If I'm not involved in it what makes you better than me? The mere fact that you were born in a different province? Stop being a condescending fool and learn to use better rhetoric than 'suck it up' and people might take you seriously.

  • Chris
    July 02, 2010 - 13:32

    Humor me for a second here.

    Go get picture of a really cute baby and then poke the eyes out of that picture.

    Reprehensible? Horrible? Twisted?

    But it's just a picture.

    The absolute and complete foundation for the seal protest is based on the power of the image and the human condition to become enamored with what we designate as cute (and for those who use the word defenseless...that gets added on to justify the cause. we all stand by and watch the defenseless get slaughtered every day)

    How many unattractive people and animals - those who are truly threatened - will be ignored while we waste time on the seals? The seals are in no danger. Cute little buggers....but not in danger.

    At least not from the guys with the sticks and guns.

    Any would be anti-sealer who's sitting down to their take out meal wrapped in enough styrofoam and plastic to choke a horse...or maybe sipping their third triple mocha latte from a paper cup....while trying to figure out which of the 10 pairs of shoes you own will get picked for the day - might want to think about the carbon footprint your consumption is leaving behind...I can guarantee it's doing a hell of a lot more damage to the long term survival of the seal than those fella's with the pointed sticks.

    Whatever happened to the cod? I wish we could have risen up and saved him. Hang on, the cod is one ugly mother%3^k@1 - I guess wiping him out was the right thing then.

    I thank God every day I'm so good looking.

  • al
    July 02, 2010 - 13:32

    Hey Linda,

    Good idea for the flag......we'll change ours about the same time BC changes their flag. May I suggest for your flag a green backgound with a Vegan hugging a Red Cedar in Stanley Park.

  • Stan
    July 02, 2010 - 13:32

    i'll go to mcdonalds on that day. not that i'm against seal killing but in my opinion seal meat is motley

  • Stan
    July 02, 2010 - 13:31

    why don't you just click the link that says

    alert an editor

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:31

    Barbara, I would expect nothing less from Art, he is after all a Limey.

  • Anon
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    Andrew - You sound like you don't have two cents to rub together.

  • Marcia
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    To Aspren Tree: The reason the seal slaughter is so barbaric is: It's the largest slaughter of Marine animals in the WORLD, the sealers kill them in a VERY inhumane way and their bodies are left to rot or thrown into the sea. They just want the FUR you knucklehead! Nobody's eating anything here. You're trying to compare apples to oranges and the're two totally different fruits. Try again when you can write and make some sense!!

  • Kelly
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    Oh, you 'environmentalists'. You're hilarious! Going on about the rights of animals, vegetarianism, and other such bollocks. Instead of wasting your energy on animals, why not focus your attention on the starving children in the world? There are children in Africa who are being tortured by rebel forces, victimized daily, starving, dying of curable and preventable diseases, and you're worried about SEALS? Are you for real?? Linda, instead of spending God knows how much money to go and observe a hunt (I bet you stare at car wrecks on the highway too), take that money and send it to a charity that helps people.
    Oh, btw, rich Canadians, Americans & Europeans go to Africa all the time to hunt animals with interesting horns, pay $5000 per animal to have them shipped back here and display the heads in their houses. I know it is so as I have walked on a zebra rug, and had my picture taken with a stuffed exotic animal. Why don't you go over there and fight for the rights of those animals? At least some NLers eat seal (I think it's vile, but hey, I don't like veal either) and we use the oil for the Omega-3 properties. The animals in Africa are simply used for decor. NLers need to be more like the Africans - simply do not allow protestors to come here. If you don't like what we do...leave!!!

  • Topcat
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    Prairie dogs have it good.

    So I guess Jane doesn't really have anything against killing after all - providing the animal has a fighting chance.

    Maybe it's just the image of a defenseless animal being killed, is really what troubles her.

    Image is what it's all about.

  • Aspen
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    Jane - there is more life in the seal hunt now than there ever was.

    The meeting to the European Union last week by the 2 Premiers was very instrumental and the politicians of those rogue nations have been brought to their knees.


    The European Union countries know that if they ban the seal hunt, then they will have to pay the piper for the overfishing in and around the Grand Banks of Newfoundland.

    Ottawa will have no other choice if they decide to ban the hunt than to cut back on their quotas of the fish which they are allotted by Ottawa on different species. They will have to cut back to account for the fish that the extra seals will need to eat. If they are the ones to ban the hunt they will have to pay the piper with their fish quotas and I doubt that they will want to do that.

    By the way I was listening to a BBC Radio overnight last evening, and there was a news story on the rogue EU nations having bought into and now overcutting the Forests of Cameroon, Africa. The people are on to it and are trying desperately to do something about it. I wish the people of Cameroon all the luck in the world, since they will need it to fight those rogues who have no conscience and they destroy every resource that they come in contact with.

  • Liz
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    Bridget, the article on the web-site that you wrote of your experiences on the ice really need to go into a newspaper. It's enough to make a grown man cry, well some, it did me. Pls. do as I suggested when I left the email message and get it out for the Country to read.

    Keep the faith.

  • David
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    It sadden me that people still think they kills whitecoats! Yeah, and there are Canadian that still think we do also! Do you read, do you look into what you are talking about! Do you just go off the deep end and sputter about nothing that you know about? Seal hunt has changed from the 70s and if you took the time to read you would understand that! Too bad the cod fish was not cute as I think they are beautiful as they help me survive the first 17 years of my life! So, did seals, we eat seals meat and it's better than any viagra you can buy on the market! People go to animal rights site, read and they take it as gospel and there is two sides to every story. Seals eat cod fish, seal will come up and go into fresh water ponds and eat what they find. Yeah, I'm all for letting all animals go wild and crazy and maybe some of the uneducated people will get eaten and problem solved. Go to KFC or Mac and have some good food. LOL Sad day, when we believe paul watson who seem to be getting fatter each year on your money! Bet he eats meat? Prove me wrong!

  • Topcat
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    You know, I'm getting closer and closer to changing sides. If you look at it realistically, there's no reason for us to put any animal or living being through any hardship at all.

    Becoming a vegan is looking better and better all the time. From now on we should let every living creature roam free and un-obstructed. It's no longer a necessity to use animals for food, work, or our own pleasures. We can survive without meat, there's lots of other healthy food choices (it would almost eliminate the need for freezers also). There's tractors so we don't need to use oxen to pull our ploughs and carts. These rodeos can use motor driven vehicles instead of bulls.

    I'm anxious to get started in helping my animal loving friends. How about we start down in Kentucky? They have this race each year where they make these young horses and race around an oval track with a person on their back. They'll whip the horses to make them run faster in hoping they'll finish ahead of the other exhausted horses which are only about 3 yrs old.

    There's times when the horse falls and has to murdered because it broke it's leg or sustained another serious injury.

    All this is totally un-necessary today. We have racecars today so there is no need to put these beautiful animals through this kind of torture any more. They should be let graze on the open fields.

    Maybe Paul Watson and my other animal loving friends can take up the cause now that the seal hunt is winding down. We'll move on to the Preakness and the Belmont horse races after that. We'll turn race-tracks into hay-stacks before we're finished. Then there's the issue of the forced breeding of these animals so the offspring will continue to be exploited by this so-called sport .

    Then there all these hunting and fishing shows we can focus our attention on. We'll lobby CBS, ABC, NBC, ESPN, and the rest that broadcast these shows which are exploiting animals.

    The seals are only the tip of the iceberg. We all have to join together and cure these wrongs done to all the living creatures in the world.

    It's time we followed through on our convictions. The whole world is just waiting to listen.

  • Todd
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    Every year the same BS happens.

    In June this will all be forgotten and Bridget and Linda from BC will have to find something else to complain about.

    What was it what John Lennon said? Life happens when you're busy making other plans. I wonder how many years you two have wasted fighting this fight instead of actually living.

    And why do you always attack Newfoundland and not Quebec Seal hunters?

    Is it because Newfoundland in your eyes is an easier target to pick on and abuse?

    You receive such a harsh verbal beating here today because it's people like you who would rather smear whoever will listen to your lies and images from 30 years ago. You are the ones who should be ashamed of yourselves.

    Why not visit a sealer and his family and tell him or her to their face that their livelihood is no longer accepted and they will need another means to support their families. Why not tell them what you've said here today to their face instead of behind a sign and internet comment board.

    No, sealing might not be the most respectable job, but is drilling for oil? Is urbanizing once unpopulated land? Is drinving your car respectable?

    There are 5 million plus seals in the St. Lawrence region. They're not endangered, they're being managed.

    Do either of you (Bridget or Linda from BC) smack or control mosquitos during the summer months or do pest control in your houses? If you do, you should be ashamed of yourselves as your putting the life of a seal ahead of the lives of other creatures and even those of other human beings with your rants here today.

    If you love the seals so much, why don't go live with them and leave us alone!

    FYI, for those who are interested, feel free visit Bridget Curran on facebook ;)

  • Steve
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    Bridget,

    According to the life cycle of Harp Seals, THEY ARE CONSIDERED ADULTS! You're considered a crazy activist willing to do whatever it takes to lie and manipulate people.

    You told me to do some research, then you go,

    ''Each year, mature females (5-6 years old) give birth to a single pup, typically in late February. Pups weigh approximately 10 kg and are 8085 cm long. Immediately after giving birth, the mother smells her offspring, and from that point on will only ever feed her own pup, whose scent she remembers. Harp Seal milk contains up to 50% fat, so pups gain over 2 kg per day when nursing, which lasts roughly 12 days. During this time the mother does not eat, and will lose up to 3 kg per day of body weight. Weaning is abrupt; the mother simply leaves and never comes back''

    That's strange....the mother simply leaves and never comes back....sounds like the mother is implying to the calf, ''You're on your own now''....that kind of sounds like adulthood to me....

    As far as your comment goes about the sealers and their apparent joy of going out onto the ice, risking their lives, watching their boats sink, they enjoy inflicting pain....I guess you called them all personally, had a nice a long talk and they told you this to yourself and you can provide evidence to prove this?

    If you can't, I suggest you leave that argeument out of your future rants as it only makes you look more inept at debating facts, just like your hero Paul Watson.

    I start acting like a grownup?

    Let's see, so far in your crazy rants, you've referred to sealers in the following manner,

    ''They love inflicting agony on defenceles creatures a fraction of their own size. They should be ashamed. ''

    Very mature of you there....perhaps you'd like to tell a sealer that to his or her face???

    Let's see, you were also quoted here,

    ''only a sick person can look in the eyes of a defenceless baby seal and then stab her through the face with a hook and haul her across the ice while she screams and struggles. THAT'S a sick individual''

    Wow...you're one a sick puppy aren't you.

    YOU disgust me.

  • erleen
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Here is an article that talks about all that freeloading that the sealers and the people like to cheerlead for every year:

    http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/04/17/the-millions-ottawa-spends-subsidizing-the-seal-hunt.aspx

    You don't receive subsidies for the seal hunt? Keep sharing all your lies. Nobody is buying it anymore.

  • Bridget
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    How difficult is it for these sealers to understand that their boats are not built to withstand heavy ice?

    So they take their boats out there, get stuck in the ice and cry for help from the Coastguard. And who fits the bill? Canadian taxpayers, the majority of whom oppose the seal hunt. Personally, I think the sealers and their supporters should be solely responsible for subsidizing the annual slaughter - I resent my hard-earned tax dollars being lavished upon such a cruel and unnecessary travesty.

    Time to shut down the hunt and retrain these guys to do something other than inflict pain and suffering on defenceless baby seals.

    WATCH seals - don't KILL them. Seal watching would generate far more income than seal killing does.

    While I don't agree with Art Stone's comment, I have to point out to Sara that only a sick person can look in the eyes of a defenceless baby seal and then stab her through the face with a hook and haul her across the ice while she screams and struggles. THAT'S a sick individual.

  • Bob
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Linda but my darling it is not only Newfoundlanders that seal hunt you know

  • D
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Bridget, think about your comments the next time, you enjoy a piece of chicken, bite into a juicy steak or pull on your leather boots...just because you don't do the slaughter, doesn't mean you don't enjoy the rewards...bunch of Hypo's...and since when are we killing baby seals, the white coat hunting ended before I was born, and I'm gettting old...

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

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    An enduring Atlantic Canadian tradition, the harp seal hunt, is facing extinction. The fatal blow could shortly be delivered by the European Union, which is considering a complete ban on all seal products.

    A compelling argument can be made the hunt is already facing its end game thanks to well-orchestrated protests, damaging boycotts of Canadian seafood products and the growing participation of A-list celebrities in publicity-grabbing stunts.

    Paul McCartneys appearance on Larry King Live last year provided a huge boost for seal hunt opponents, even allowing for his shrill, ill-tempered, soon-to-be ex wife.

    And there are other signs the hunt may be on life support. They include the ham-fisted seizure of the Farley Mowat and its crew by heavily armed Canadian fisheries officers. Ottawa says the anti-sealing vessel was seized because it ventured too close to sealers and was in Canadian waters while opponents argue the seizure was an act of piracy with the vessel boarded in international waters.

    Regardless of who was in the right, the publicity bonanza for anti-sealers has proven to be priceless.

    Add to the mix a last minute bid by Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams and his Nunavut counterpart to get Ottawa to ban the use of a crude bludgeoning instrument with a sharp hook, known as a hakapik.

    All in an effort to pretty up the hunt and convince European legislators not to impose a ban.

    It may work, it may not.

    But lets imagine the worlds biggest market for seals is suddenly lost. What next?

    Believe it or not there could be a silver lining.

    Wildlife conservation organizations might have more resources to fight for species that are actually endangered, whose numbers are somewhat less than the five million quoted for harp seals.

    Perhaps they could shine a brighter spotlight on the deplorable Japanese whaling industry, which continues to slaughter the magnificent creatures in the name of scientific research.

    Or how about other species, such as the spotted wolffish, which dont have wealthy champions? No celebrity is going to want to pose next to a fish with a mouth filled with razor sharp teeth and a demeanour that is anything but cuddly.

    It must be said, activists will have to work much harder replacing a lucrative source of funding once adorable baby seals have disappeared from the radar screens and from fundraising literature and television and Internet promotions.

    What will they use to sell T-shirts?

  • Max
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Art from Montreal you are one sick cookie. As a matter of fact, all you anti-seal harvesting weirdos are sick. Too bad you have nothing better to do for yourself, for your town, for your province, for your country. Get a life for God's sake!!!

  • Linda
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Linda, where do you get off? I live in Newfoundland but do not support the seal hunt. I already said that. Get a clue and stop belittling an entire province for what some of its people do. If I'm not involved in it what makes you better than me? The mere fact that you were born in a different province? Stop being a condescending fool and learn to use better rhetoric than 'suck it up' and people might take you seriously.

  • Martin
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Just a comment from Europe.

    In Austria, we have banned fur farming ages ago, in 1998 to be exact. Since then, all farms have been removed. The farmers found new work. There were more than 200 farms 20 years ago.

    In any case, the law says today that it is illegal to kill or keep any animal for its fur.

    Thats why the Austrian parliament has decided to ban the import of any seal products too. We don't want to import the parts of animals killed for their fur. We find that simply unethical and revolting. Welcome to the 21st century, where animals are not commodities to be used and abused for luxury items. At least in Europe, dunno how things are in the developing world on the other side of the Atlantic.

    And by the way, last year I paid to go seals watching in Scotland. Was a wonderful trip, saw many peaceful seals and could watch them play from the boat. That was a very cool trip and I am happy to do that again - in Canada too, if you manage to catch up on ethics.

  • Aspen
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    I did alert the Telegram last evening and nothing happened, and I called to see if I could speak with the Publisher this Morning and he is out of town.

    I am sick of how the world pounces on the province of Newfoundland and Labrador over the seal harvest when there are so many more killings of animals which are more torturous to the animals concerned. We do not have any large scale beef, pork, chicken or turkey industries here, so we are the people of the world who kill the less animals. We have very few farms, we only produce something like 4 per cent of the food we eat, even though we could produce enough to feed the population which exists here.

    There are a billion animals or more killed each year in this world to feed a world population of more than 6 billion people, but the people who have to absorb the shock of all the mistreatment of animals around the world, are the people who are credited with the statistic of having the lowest crime rate in Canada, Newfoundlnders and Labradorians, and who are the people who kill a miniscule number of the world's animals.

    There is something the matter with that picture, and all Newfoundlanders and Labradorians need to stand up and be counted in counteracting it.

    I will add here that I am not a big meat eater and I would just as soon see the seal hunt end , but if the seal hunt must end so must the slaughter of all animals including, cows, pigs, lambs, chicken, turkeys, kangaroos, prairie dogs, rabbits, moose, elk, deer, bear, and on and on it goes. Every animal must be able to live out its days and live and frolic naturally without being killed for food.

    All or none!

  • Robert
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    Linda: yes I think I took your earlier post too seriously, and admitted to making an error in attributing my reply. Now that we're on the same page, I really don't see there being much I as an individual can do here. you've seen the hostile emotion-based responses both sides of the seal hunt issue provoke here. It just irks me to be tarred with that same brush when people who aren't in Newfoundland (and if you lived here and truly know this place, I apologize) discriminate against the province.

    Frankly my issue with the seal hunt is not so much a moral one (I am not a vegetarian, but haven't killed or eaten any seals either) as an issue with how Newfoundlanders are perceived as a result of the hunt. To me the hunt is not worth continuing for all the negative publicity it generates. The tradition is not important to me, and I don't rely on the hunt for sustenance or employment. it makes me sad that the province is so convinced that the hunt is necessary or viable despite what others say that it has virtually isolated itself. I get your joke about having a bloody flag to represent the hunt, but I'm sure I am not the only one in the province who would say that doesn't represent me. And I was born and have lived all my life here.

  • chris
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    Your comment sucks !Stan Darsh from Nl
    Those so called Seal Hunters muderers have no one to blame for their own fate!
    They have been rapeing the oceans and wildlife for years and years..
    And then to brandish the very club they kill seals with; at a conservation crew ; Shows the world just how they treat their fellow man just as they treat the seals.... I dont blame the canadian people here.. This is just another part of poor leadership in another place of the world !

  • al
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    Matt,

    I'm not being sarcastic, nor am I angry. I guess because the Cormorant cull is not splashed across the newspapers it makes it ok & different from the seal hunt. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cormorant cull was to satisfy the weekend anglers that complained the birds were eating their game fish. Be careful, Paul Watson may be steaming up Lake Erie in the next while.

    These fishermen who make a part of their income from the seal hunt are the same fishermen who for years had to sit by and watch Federal Govt after Federal Govt. give fishing rights to Spain, Portugal, Russia, & just about every other country that had a dory, to rape the fishing grounds off Newfoundland.

    I have never killed a seal & I have no intension of ever doing it. However, I will defend my legal rights to the last breath.

    By the way Matt......if you are worried about your tax dollars & how the
    Coast Guard spends it. Take up a little protest for every mainland nut that comes to Newfoundland each spring in a bathtub size row boat to row across the Atlantic. 2 hours of rowing & their usually calling Coast Guard to come & rescue them.

  • David
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    Whitecoats are seals, just because they are white they make for great pictures! That is all they are good for, as what else do they do beside eat fish, or have they gone to eat carrots? I guess Art bought a Newfie Joke book! Now we get to insulting each other and art I'm glad you enjoy paying taxes as we all know Canada is like a cow! Feeds of the west, Milked by Ontario and Quebec, Craps on the Marititmes ! Sad thing Art you might have some Canadian Newfoundlanders living next door to you as we all don't live in Newfoundland. What do you do for a living Art? Don't make anything up? Sad thing is 77% of Newfoundlanders have left Newfoundland to find work as we do move to find work as we don't wait for it to come to us! Come visit Newfoundland, she is a beautiful place and we are friendly. Likely we would invite you in and give you a meal and not ask a dime as we are like that! Don't insult us or any one from any country as we are all got to learn to get along. Enjoy life and learn something new today ...

  • Funky
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    Hey Jane....if that is your real name?....what if Funky Monkey is my real name? I'm very offended you don't like my name. I'm decended from a long line of monkeys...in fact we are definately related if we go back far enough.

    Anyway, people can make up names, weather they sound real or fake, the message people have there is the important part.

    And Jane baby? Are you the Jane that added the opinion piece from the Journal Pioneer? Because it kind of casts the anti-seal hunt protesters in a poor light, if you don't know what I mean, I suggest you read it again.

  • Aspen
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    JANE - CHECK OUT THE BILLIONS THAT WILL BE SPENT IN THE REST OF CANADA IN 2008 FOR THE OTHER PROVINCES.

    Just a few months back Ottawa pledged $500 million to the farmers and just LAST WEEK IT PLEDGED $50 million to slaughter hogs.

    If you follow the spending of the Federal Government, you will find there are billions spent in the other provinces of which not one dollar of it comes to the province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

    Over the past 6 years I can remember Bombardier got approximately $4 Billion dollars handed over to them by the Federal Government. Bombardier is just a Corporation operating from Quebec and exists only because of Federal Government largesse.

    There are monies pledged to the other provinces for Museums, the 2010 Olympics, Railway infrastructure, etc., etc.,. Just go to the Federal Government site and see for yourself.


    READ BELOW - This is part of a story that ran in the Globe and Mail on April 15th, this present week. The province of Newfoundland will get NO PART of these monies coming from Ottawa.


    Ottawa to pay farmers $50-million to slaughter hogs
    PAUL WALDIE AND JOE FRIESEN

    From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

    April 15, 2008 at 12:27 AM EDT

    TORONTO AND WINNIPEG In an unprecedented move, the federal government plans to pay hog farmers up to $50-million in total to slaughter as many as 150,000 breeding swine.

    Farmers will receive $225 for every hog they kill, so long as they agree to wipe out their entire breeding herd and stay out of the hog business for three years. The government hopes the program will reduce a glut on the market that has helped drive down prices.

    It's a pretty drastic step, said Clare Schlegel, a hog farmer near Kitchener, Ont., who is also president of the Canadian Pork Council. The $225 price is roughly four times what a farmer would get for a culled hog on the market today, he added........

  • Stan
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    Bridget Curran from Halifax, NS do you really think anyone with one brain cell would pay money to go out and watch these clumsy creatures flop around on the ice while - the people who are watching - freeze their body parts off? to risk the same dangers that sealers do with ice compacting and ocean swells just to watch the seals? fact of the matter is that sealers are putting themselves - as we've allready seen this hunt - in a life or death situation to be part of this. do you think these guys enjoy not knowing if they'll return home? you don't scold people who left home to fight in iraq and real people are being killed there.

    i'm not trying to call people names or be short tempered with anyone but people don't realize the dangers sealers have to face to make a living.

    i mean $hit leave them alone!

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    If I ever get access to any funds I will donate it all to the Anti-Sealing Coalition of NS and name them in my will also.

    You are WRONG in saying misinformation exists on both sides, no it's only on your side. I believe every word that Bridget Curran writes. She is Honest and ethical and not in it for the money like everyone else. She's been to the ice and lived to tell the tale. If I can ever do anything to help her out I will do my darndest. You and your ilk think that just because swilers have done it for generations they need to keep on doing it. It's dangerous work for little reward.
    Nlfders will always be my own people who I think are the best and funniest on the planet. I'm sure there's lots of others who would disagree with swiling but as Rob said earlier, they feel to intimidated to speak up. The pro-sealers can be down-right nasty when they've got nothing to say so they use intimidation. Well it won't change my mind.

  • Topcat
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Good thing Adam took a bite out of the apple. I would have hated to see what he would have got had he clubbed a seal and ate it.

  • Linda
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    You are insulted? Well, actually my dear Robert,, I and 30 million Canadians are insulted everytime we open the paper and see this garbage. Now you know how it feels so suck it up.

  • Todd
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Funky Monkey,

    I'll answer that question for them (even thought I'm not messed up in the head activist),

    the banning of the hakapik would mean no images of seals being dragged along the ice flows, no more video of apparently violent seal deaths, in a word, no more money!

    the hakapik is the anti-sealers version of the Swastika, used by them to misinform as many people as possible about the apparent horrors that occur on the Canadian ice flows.

    They would be the first ones to oppose banning the hakapik because without that, they're bank accounts would run dry.

  • al
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Matt from Ontario,

    Do you have an arguement to support the Cormorant cull in the Lake Erie region of Ont?? Take care of your own back yard before you worry about ours.

    By the way Matt....a Cormorant is a bird.

  • Linda
    July 02, 2010 - 13:24

    You Newfs need to set up your own country. May I suggest Wekillbabyseals or some such thing. The rest of us are tired of this so called hunt so PLEASE....take it with you when you go.

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:24

    Funky, my name is JANE, what's yours?

    I referred to Euphemia of the talking trout (not my name) as a joke because she was so funny. I thought you were on and read her post too. Obviously not . See news 15 Apr. under Ban of Halipik in Seal Hunt. READ what she wrote.

    Now do we sound like the same person. (Pls. say no).

    As to your last post: you say I ignore the lies and obvious glaring selfishness of the leaders. They don't tell lies so there's nothing to ignore. Bridget is a vegan, she cares about animals almost as much as I do or more. Are you telling me you consider her selfish? Or do you mean Mr. Watson, I already wrote to the society to complain about his inflamatory comments which get nobody any farther ahead. Hearn is even worse I wrote and complained about his antics to. No response from either side.

    I love the way you and some others quote Watson when it suits your purpose to do so.

    As for getting my head out of the sand, it is places squarley on my two shoulders.

    Now stop scratching you monkey as* and say something smart on today's post that will awe me.

  • al
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    Here we go again!! Linda from BC!!
    Yes Linda....us (as you put it) Newfs, we are the bad guys. Killing babies.....set us adrift from Canada....set up our own country.

    Didn't I read a little while ago there was a rooster fighting ring dicovered in Surrey. 1300 animals involved. Linda.....that must make you a barbarian.....GET out of this country Linda.

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    Maybe all the anti-sealers should take a snowmobile trip on the west coast of newfoundland and get a glimpse of the helpless caribou walking around covered in blood from coyotes chewing at them. It's nature people!

  • Flo
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    Hey Linda in B.C.
    A man puts a worm or a fly on a hook and lures a beautiful Rainbow Trout to
    it's death by hooking it by the lips or the side of it's mouth, and plays with it for some time while enjoying the thrill of the fight knowing quite well who will win. The trout is then placed in the boat gasping for water or put in a container of water to fight even longer for it's life.
    Your province depends on this type of tourist industry. Don't preach to the Newfoundlanders, you hucking fipicrit

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    Sherry, I am glad all is well with your father and the others! Pay no attention to the rest of them!

    All the best!

  • Funky
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    I love you Jane.

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    I see your very intelligent also Art, you must of taken many concussions in your rugby career.

    Signed, running scared!

    BTW, never held a seal club in my life!

  • Linda
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    Well thanks for the laugh, al. Yes, that rooster ring was a blight on the province of BC, rest assured. But no need to crow about that now that we have disbanded it. Maybe you are angry because you have a better name for an independent Newfoundland?

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Aw, gee, you love Bridget and Paul Watson more I know that.

  • Sherry
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    I am so glad that these men are all safe. My father was a man on this boat, and when you hear the news its now a good feeling to have. And for all of you who are complaining about you tax paying dollars, so what if the Coast Guard as to go and get them. You want them to be looking for seven bodies instead. I dont. At least I know where my tax paying collars are going. And for all you anti sealers why are you always talking about Newfoundlanders killiig seals. I dont hear anyone talking about people killing moose, caribou, coyotes or any other animals. Any why is this.. Its because all you see is blood on white ice. So what. I am so glad that my father is still alive.

  • Pete
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Stan, lots of Newfoundlanders are against the seal hunt, not just the CFAs. Many are too afraid to say because of the venom of your kind. You cannot have a rational conversation about this here at all.

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Topcat a good receipe that you asked for: After you get the poor unfortunate creature, skinned, stuff it with exlax. Rub it with Tabisco sauce and bake at 600F for 10 hours. Invite all your seal loving friends over and feast on that.

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    Intelligent Art

  • Andrew
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    To Steve Darsh on his Sealer comments:
    Bridget is 100% RIGHT ON! Here in the
    United States of America where hunters don't skin alive their ONE deer per season for the coat and leave the remains to rot (we process the meat and eat it!) we refer to those kind of men as slaughterers that for probably less than a $1,000 a run are out killing defenseless baby seals.
    Don't the morans know the're doing all that head bashing for someone else to make a ton of money? Better to find another way to make some cash than making the pelt sellers richer and richer.
    And as far as me and my Mrs. comin' up there to see those baby seals and their mothers? My wife and all the hunting buddies wives I know all over the USA would pay a FORTUNE to see that!!
    So stick it Steve....you people up there wouldn't know a real hunter if ya saw one!!
    Andrew

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    Bridget, your courage and good sense amazes me. I know you've been out to witness these atrocies on the ice. YOU know what your speaking about. These people who try to insult and intimadate have probably only seen seal when it's passed to them on a plate. They neither know nor want to know what seal BABIES and even grown seals must suffer to end up there. It's a researched fact that seals as sentinent beings are capable of feeling fear, pain, and great stress when they are being tortured.

    Keep it up Bridget, I know that you are doing it for ethical reasons, you, at least are not in this business for the almighty buck. God Bless and keep you.

  • Amber
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    Art Stone is crossing the line of decency with some of the insults that he is writing concerning Newfoundlanders and Labradorians who are legally harvesting seals, no differently than Australians are harvesting kangaroos.

    I think The Telegram has a responsibility here to edit such abuse, it would never happen in any other Newspaper in the World. But as we know The Telegram is a Canadian Newspaper.

    I would like for some of the Watchdog Groups to take a look at this particular site and scrutinize what is being said with regard to using abuse and deal with it in a way that it doesn't happen ever again.

    By the way are the watchdogs of the Telegram asleep on the job?

    I am going to select a statement made by Art Stone and here it is: Art Stone from Montreal, QC writes: Hello John,Oh yeah...Newfies are violent too as well as DUMB.

    Isn't that a loaded statement when every country in the world kills animals and a lot of the animals are subjected to far more torture than the seal, and enjoy absolutely no freedom during their existence unlike the freedom the seals enjoy? An example of that would be the ducks and geese which are selected at birth for the 'foie gras'industry and the calves for the 'veal' industry.

    Somebody needs to scrutinize this site, since obviously there isn't anybody who is doing so. They are neglecting their responsibility. I think I will take the time to ponder whether or not I will renew my subscription to this paper.

    EVERY YEAR THE PROVINCE OF NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR GETS THE DISTINCTION OF BEING THE PROVINCE IN CANADA WITH THE LESS CRIME. ART STON IS SO PREJUDICED WITH HIS STATEMENTS AND CRUEL THAT HE SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO TASK.

    And we cannot forget the human beings who get killed every day around the world by criminals. Just last week 3 dear little children were killed by their father in British Columbia, another baby was shot in its crib by two rival gagns fueding outside her house in another community in Canada. How can a person like Art Stone be allowed to get off with such awful writings.

    I am going to put the blame on The Telegram responsible.

  • Topcat
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    How many of the 30 000 000 eat meat I wonder? The vast majority of grocery stores I have visited have larger meat departments then their fruit and vegetable departments combined.

    Maybe the coyote's and seals are buying it.

    P.S. Is anyone on here willing to share some of their recipes for seal. I'd appreciate it if they'd post em here.

  • al
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    Bridget, Steve

    Come on.... Baby Seal The IFAW, Greenpeace, WWF & all the rest of the tree huggers coined the phrase Baby Seal to give the seal PUP a human quality to do nothing more that suck money out of the Americans. Geez, even our own media use the term Baby Seal . What do you call a new born cat???? Baby cat......no you call it a kitten. What do you call a new born moose?? Baby moose.....no a calf. Paul Watson is an expert at media relations & sucking money from Americans, upper Canadians & Europeans that think they are saving some starving Africian infant by throwing their disposable income at him.

    SEAL PUP......not BABY

  • Funky
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    Thank God the sealers are safe.

    Hey Bridget. How ya getting on? Long time, no see.

    What do you think about the government banning the hakapik? Only a small proportion of sealers still use it. VERY SMALL. But that still seems to be the only thing you guys jump on.

    Baby seals aren't killed either. They are young, but they are independent seals and have been abandoned by their mothers by the time hunters get to them. Try to get that right for once. The seals don't grow up, and leave home at 18 and head off to college like humans.

    Seal watching? Give me a break. Do you really think there is a market for people to pile on a small boat in the freezing North Atlantic in spring and steam to the ice flows to watch seals. Hey, I love all animals, hate to see cruelty to animals, spend hours watching them when I'm outside, but I really really don't think their is any kind of chance of a seal watching industry ever matching the oney provided by the sealing industry. There are enough seals there now for both to exist anyway if you want to do that. And I have just one question on that as well. If you say the ice is dangerous for the sealers boats to go near, do you think the people of the country will want to pay for the rescue of tour boats stuck in ice? Or will everyone be piling onboard the Farley Mowat, that wonderful tub.

    What majority of Canadians oppose the hunt? Please provide proof to such statements. From unbiased sources. I don't think asking 500 members of PETA or the Sea Shepard Society is a true indication of the sentiment across the country. But those are the types of surveys your type tend to cite.

  • Sara
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    Bridget my darling, I would never be able to look into a seals eyes or any other animal and do that BUT that is how some people make a living, really if they were green, full of bumps with eight legs and spit at you all the time would you try and save them then? NO you would not. If you love animals so much why dont you try and help the ones that are almost extinct. Their are so many animals out their that get killed in a worst way then the seal so why is it that the seal is the only thing you people worry about. CAUSE THEIR CUTE AND THEY BRING IN THE MONEY.

  • Sara
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    Art Stone from Montreal, QC, I am a pro sealer but I can say that I would never get on here and insult the anti sealers or anyone else they way you did. And you came down here and tried to see seals to take pics and didn't see any will darling you must of been looking in the wrong places (you dont find them in ponds you know), I went out last summer every fine day in the boat and every day I went I would get at least 5 different photos of seals, I got pics of whales and even dolphins. I just think you really need someone to love and to talk with, if you moved to NFLD you would have all. We are good loving people you know Art and I think it is time for you to calm down and let that good person inside of you get out. Take Care

  • HARRY
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    I KNOW THERE IS ALWAYS A FUSS ABOUT THE SEAL HUNT BUT IT,S A WAY OFF LIFE FOR THE NFLD PEOPLE AND THE NWT PEOPLE WHAT ABOUT THE INNOCENT LITTLE LAMB AND THE INNOCENT LITTLE CALF THERE IS A BIGGER MARKET FOR THIS THAN THERE IS FOR THE SEALS I CAN GO TO ANY SUPERMARKET ACROSS CANADA AND ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND FIND THESE PRODUCTS BUT I CAN,T FIND A MEAL OFF FLIPPERS I WISH I COULD IF ANYBODY KNOES WHERE I CAN LET ME KNOW

  • Joey
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    Al:

    Add a Prius and a joint and you've got yourself a flag

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    No b'y my real name is Euphemia, the lady of the talking trout.

    I've got nothing against listening to both sides of an issue, so ya I copied the Journal piece. They close the comments if you say boo to loud. If I didn't want to hear both sides I'd just skip right over yours and Aspens, and topcats, since I already know where you stand but no I read them all. Just thought you might like to run with it though.

    Re that other lunatic, Art, who corrected my spelling of were. I was quoting the Joan Morrissey song, Thank God we're surrounded by Water. Not being a Newfie he wouldn't know that. He was too totally unreasonable to talk to anyhow. Thank God no one got murdered while he was here last fall. We hate the issue, he hates all of us. period.

  • Linda
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    Hey, that is an idea. Could we get all the pro-seal hunt nuts in Newfoundland out in bathtub boats(all ten of them who are here today) and have a race to the front? The first who gets there without a life preserver gets free seal meat for the whole year.

  • Aspen
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    Jane you are not using your brain again. There are a million Janes in North America. What is your last name, if indeed, your first name is Jane?

    You people sound so uneducated! Get an education before you comment!

    You renmind me of having the same amount of brainpower as the followers of Charles Manson and Jim Jones.

  • Topcat
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    How about this for an idea.

    Thanksgiving day is held in the fall of the year to give thanks for the harvest of our crops planted that year. Observing this day in the fall makes perfect sense for any locality that is reliant on this industry.

    Wouldn't it make sense for coastal locales to observe Thanksgiving more in line with the timing of a major harvest from the sea. Suppose we change our observation of Thanksgiving Day to a day in the Spring. There are several fisheries in the Spring which would support the idea of giving thanks for the gifts from the sea then rather than in the fall.

    It's been a tradition (especially in the States) that thanksgiving is always celebrated by having a turkey dinner. This holiday is a very special day in the States and I've never heard of any animal rights group condemning the Americans for murdering all these turkeys.

    If we held our Thanksgiving day in the Spring, we could start our own traditions here in Newfoundland (and other fishery dependant areas). Perhaps we could have a Seal dinner to celebrate the day rather than a turkey dinner.

    We'd be contributing to our own economy by purchasing local products, and we'd be enjoying a dinner that we harvested ourselves.

  • john
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    I am opposed to the commercialization of the seal hunt. They need to bring the quotas down and stop killing the seals mainly for pelts.

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2006/03/23/nf_seal_meat_20060323.html

    This would bring the right hunters out for the right reasons (meat, tradition). It's also disgusting how seals are hunted at exactly the time the seals are moulting making them easy pickings. Most seals are killed between 12 days and 3 months of age before they are able to swim or eat. They argue that they need the hunt for tradition but only 120 boats this year have participated compared to 403 last year. Media claims this is due to falling pelt prices and high fuel costs. Most sealers do it only for the money. The competitiveness to collect pelts in 3 weeks also sets up time constraints and the likelihood the seals will either be skinned alive or ineffectively killed. The hunt itself looses more money than it gains when you consider economic, tourism and seafood boycotts as well as taxypayer subsidies. Canadian taxpayers have to subsidize the search and rescue operations, monitoring of the hunt, finding the seal herds with high tech equipment, policing the killing and paying for lawyers/ flying politicians to fight the EU ban attempts.

    http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/04/17/the-millions-ottawa-spends-subsidizing-the-seal-hunt.aspx

    It's time to do something positive and use the International stage to find the sealers new employment. If you want to continue to hunt a few like the aboriginals fine. But the make work program the government has set up is failing miserably for the sealers and for the Canadian public.

  • Linda
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    What about the Republic of Hakapik as the new name for an independent Newfoundland? Now, that is kind of catchy. And the new flag could depict a sealer bashing a baby seal, lots of red on white, kind of like the Japapnese flag but more gory. Remember, you heard it here first.

  • Linda
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    Actually, al, I am a vegan and I do like your idea. I hope it comes to fruition. Now have you thought of a name? I am waiting.

  • Anon
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    On Thursday April 17, 2008 of this week CBC's Fisheries Broadcast were supposed to be hosting Paul Watson of the Sea Shepard Society for an 1 hour questioning period call-in show.

    He appeared on the show, but stayed no longer than 30 minutes.

    He answered a few quetions by callers and an in-house guest. One of the questions was put forward by the in house gueston on his qualifications to pilot his ship. He skirted around the issue of the extent of his mariner's qualifications by saying that he sailed the seas long enough to have knowledge to do the job, never letting on to what his qualifications really were. I doubt he has any, or surely he would have been glad to reveal the extent of his studies, where he stuided to acquire his mariners papers, but he didn't.


    He fielded two calls from First Nations People, the second caller was Chief Jones of Haida Gwaii of the Queen Charlotte Islands of British Columbia. Chief Jones went on to speak about the very beneficial qualities of seal meat and the fact that the meat is a wonderful source of Omega Three Fatty Acids, very esssential to the building of a healthy body. And immediately Paul Watson disconnected himself from the conversation and the show. He didn't want to discuss the isssue and he never did try to get back on the broadcast to answer any further questions or to apologize for his disconnect.

    Paul Watson cannot argue against the benefical qualities of seal meat and therefore anything he could have said would have been inadequate and it would have showed him in a very bad light. But what Paul Watson failed to understand by fleeing the show is now that is true character is revealed and that he showed himself in a worse light.

    If Paul Watson wants to redeem himself, he should reoffer himself to CBC's Fisheries Broadcast and finish the show that he promised that he would do.

  • Robert
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    Linda, that's pretty insulting to the Newfoundlanders who don't have any part in the seal hunt. Say what you will about sealers, but it's ignorant and patronizing to refer to all of us here that way.

  • Rosa
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    For those that say that sealing is a way of life. May I remind you that they used to feed people to lions as a form of entertainment. But guess what........they became civilized. The seal hunt is atrocious any way you look at it. What mankind does to other species is shameful.

  • chris
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    National Post

    The millions Ottawa spends subsidizing the seal hunt

    Posted: April 17, 2008, 7:21 PM by Jeff White

    http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/04/18/the-millions-ottawa-spends-subsidizing-the-seal-hunt.aspx

    By Murray Teitel
    Whether you think killing seals is a bad thing or a good thing, whether you think it barbaric or humane, you should oppose Canada's annual seal hunt.


    According to Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) the justification for the hunt is to provide economic opportunities for Canada's coastal communities. Last year, according to its Web site, this entire economic opportunity amounted to $12-million, the value of all seal pelts landed. They fetched on average $52 a pelt. According to evidence given to Parliament's standing committee on fisheries and oceans on Nov. 6, 2006, half of that is eaten up by expenses, so we are talking, at most, $6-million that flowed to the sealers themselves: one-tenth of 1% of Newfoundland's GDP. (This year it will be even less, because pelts of three to four week old beaters that make up 95% of the catch are selling for between $6 and $33.)


    This $6-million costs Canadians at least 10 times as much and does so year after year. First of all, there is the cost of deploying the Canadian Coast Guard (CCG) to the seal hunt for seven weeks each year. Last year it involved 10 vessels, many of them ..icebreakers, helicopters and patrol planes. Nobody in government knows, even less wants to know, what this costs. DFO claims it costs nothing because the boats and aircraft are owned and the crews are on salary. Does it cost nothing to put out fires in Toronto because it owns the trucks and firefighters aren't on piecework? Toronto hires firefighters and buys trucks based on the anticipated number and severity of fires. A significant part of what CCG does is rescue sealers. Some 24% of its 2003 fishing vessel rescues derived from this hunt. Without it, CCG's annual budget could be significantly reduced. One hunt-deployed icebreaker, the Amundsen, costs $50,000 per day to operate in winter. Given DFO's lack of transparency, one can only estimate the annual CCG cost attributable to the hunt at $5-million.


    Secondly, every year some disaster occurs. Last year, it was heavy ice that trapped sealers for days on end. Some even ran out of cigarettes! DFO calculated the extra CCG costs due to heavy ice at $3.41-million. It also paid $7.9-million to owners of boats damaged by ice. This year, it is the drowning of four sealers and the near drowning of two while being rescued by CCG. This resulted in the cost of an unsuccessful week-long 2,800 nautical square mile search for one of the drowned and his boat involving patrol planes, helicopters and three icebreakers. The inevitable lawsuits and legal bills will easily cost more than $6-million.


    Thirdly, millions are spent every year trying to counter bans on the importation of seal products. Our NAFTA partners and four European countries have imposed bans. Four countries have announced intentions to do so. Italy and Luxembourg have suspended imports. The European Parliament resolved to impose an EU-wide ban. The Council of Europe has called on its 46 members to do so.
    Canada has taken Holland and Belgium to the World Trade Organization in Geneva. Aside form being terribly expensive, it jeopardizes a relationship with two countries with which Canada has a trade surplus. $5.2-million of raw seal products constitutes less than 1/1,000 of what we export to Europe.


    The DFO, since at least 2003, has been flying high-level delegations to Europe to argue against the bans. Last year, there were at least six such junkets. For example, on March 27, 2007, a 17-person delegation was dispatched to the British Parliament for a meeting attended by only five British MPs. Last month, seven Canadians, including Loyola Sullivan, ambassador for fisheries

    conservation, the Premier of Nunavut and a Newfoundland Cabinet minister flew to four European capitals for a week.


    Unfortunately, they seem to use a travel agent who excels at finding the most expensive fares available. When Mr. Sullivan flew on seal business to five European capitals this January, the airfare alone was $10,270.80. The DFO's Kevin Stringer flew to Paris for $4,459.65 on Sept. 5, 2007. Of course, this is nothing compared with the $16,025.25 spent on airfare to Australia and New Zealand by the DFO's director general of economic analysis whom I wish would do an economic analysis of his own expense accounts. With hotels, wines, meals and support staff, this adds up.


    They have as much chance of stemming this tide as Germany did of stopping the Allies after D Day. The battle is lost. But because of ideological fanaticism they keep fighting, secure in the delusion that the Canadian taxpayer, like the cod, is an inexhaustible resource that will forever fund this foolishness that only benefits the high-end European tourism industry.


    Fourthly, there is the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) led boycott that is largely responsible for the inflation adjusted $465-million drop in the value of Canadian exports of snow crabs the main seafood export to the United States from Canada's sealing provinces since April, 2005. The value of 2007 snow crab exports is 44% lower than it was in 2004, the year prior to the boycott.


    HSUS has to date persuaded almost 3,600 U.S. businesses to participate, including heavy hitters Publix (annual sales $24-billion), Whole Foods ($7-billion), WinCo Foods, Lowe's Foods, Harris Teeter ($3-billion each) and smaller, seafood-driven ones like Legal Sea Foods ($400-million). Sealing creates less than 1% of the value of the sealing provinces' fishery. Sacrifice 99% for the sake of 1%. Now there's a business plan!


    Finally, there is the cost of the DFO seal-hunt bureaucracy, which alone has to cost more than the sealers earn: license issuers, accountants, typists, file clerks, inspectors, quota setters, regulation drafters, scientists, statisticians, economic analysts, speech writers, media relations officers, anti-boycott propagandists, writers of replies to angry letters, arrangers of tours of European journalists (when the seal hunt is not taking place), all in the service of what DFO says is 5,000 to 6,000 (more like 2,000, I believe) people averaging $1,000 a year from killing 275,000 seals. There is a conflict of interest in the DFO having jurisdiction over the Coast Guard. If it were controlled by the Minister of Defence, he'd immediately see that for what he is spending on the seal hunt, he could outfit an artillery regiment.


    Enough already. This is a colossal waste of taxpayers' money. And the sealers? Sealers should prefer these monies be used to train them for jobs in the 21st-century economy, rather than to preserve them as relics of a hunter/gatherer one.

    Financial Post
    Murray Teitel is a Toronto lawyer and journalist.

  • Topcat
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    Anon, you have to remember that the seals are defenseless. This is a little different situation from moose, deer, and the like. These animals have a vast array of defenses against Andrew and the high powered rifle he most likely owns.

    I would describe any animal or living creature defenseless against the wide array of weapons at man's disposal.

    There's not one living creature - including man himself - that is not defenseless against man. Suggesting otherwise is ludicrous.

    Maybe they ougta rethink banning the use of hakapiks by seal hunters. Perhaps they should make hunters of all animals use them as a weapon instead of the weapon they currrently use.

    This practice would certainly reduce the number of animals killed each year by hunters. It would also certainly reduce the number of hunters.

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    Art. Time to give up drinking for this night..........I'm against seal hunting but I never in reading anything on here or saw anyone as ignorant as you are. What's that QC your sporting behind your name stand for? You couldn't possibly be a lawyer, you seriously need to go back to school to take some lessons in how not to be so obnoxious.

    A man is dead, have some respect.

  • Alphonsus
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    Could someone tell me if there are five million seals now. Without the seal hunt how many will there be added to that number each year.

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    Did you notice that anyone writing in from away uses their full name. Yet the pro-sealers on here use the weirdest names they can think up. Aspen-tree, topcat, funkey-monkey why don't you people use your real name or are you afraid you might be identified somehow.
    It's pretty safe to shoot off you mouth when you can hide behind a cloak of total anominmity. No fear of anyone looking you up on Facebook eh.

  • Robert
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    Alphonsus: yes, if the seal hunt stopped there would be more seals eating all the precious cod the trawlers didn't manage to catch. What are you going to 'cull' when the seals are gone? Coyotes? Wonder what coyote paw pie tastes like...

  • Stan
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    and you ontario people have no arguments to not mind your own buisness. you are not even here. you have to believe what you are told.

  • Tristan
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    Briget Curran from Halifax - Do you have any clue regarding the Seal Hunt or are you commenting with knowledge that you've gained from our McCarthy friends...

    Anyone who knows anything about Sealing knows that they don't club anymore...and it's a criminal offense to kill the whitcoats.

    Why don't you come down off your soapbox..and learn a little before you comment.

    Do you protest against natives who hunt all year round, and knowone says anything to them.

    Don't like seal but I bet you love chicken!..Did you know there heads get hauled into water with electric current to be killed.

    In the future, you may want to do your homework before commenting.

  • Steve
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    Bridget,

    stop spreading your false lies and propaganda. You said the following,

    ''look in the eyes of a defenceless baby seal and then stab her through the face with a hook and haul her across the ice while she screams and struggles''

    FACT - Killing baby seals was OUTLAWED, in other words, BANNED, ILLEGAL, STOPPED back in the 70's. IT NO LONGER HAPPENS. So why are saying such a thing?? Seems to me like someone has been douped by Paul Watson......

    Additionally, it is illegal to kill a seal mother that is nursing a baby seal.

    Bet you didn't know that did you? No, you were too busy watching soap operas and hanging on every word Paul Watson whispered into your ear.

    Get your facts straight before you decide to respond, otherwise keep your mouth shut as civilised human beings who know facts from lies don't want to hear what you have to say.

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    Yeah, that's my beef, defenseless. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. No teeth to bite your arse off. Just stay there while a thing you've never seen before hits you and knocks you senseless. Praire dogs win in the game of life.

    I thought you said last night it was all about the money.

    Goodnight I'm going to bed and hopefully dream that the seal hunt disappeared while I slept.

  • Linda
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    Linda, I do love your name. Yes, I will try to avoid cliches like that especially with someone as discerning as yourself here today. Would it surprise to learn that I lived in Newfoundland for many years? I love the people there. I still think they are the best in all Canada. Full stop. But I do not agree with the hunt. I assure you I do not consider myself better than you or anyone. Those are your words. But you need to ask yourself why you have such a visceral reaction to my posts. I want the hunt to end. It pains me to see people in Newfoundland or Canada for that matter smeared by all this. And for what? If you feel Newfoundland is getting a bad name as you intimate than you need to ask yourself why this might be. Maybe you need to do more to bring this hunt to an end.

  • Topcat
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    Something to chew on.

    For all those interested in enjoying a succulent meal of seal flippers: Corner Brooks largest, family owned, grocery chain will have seal flippers available this coming Saturday.

    This chain has stores right across Newfoundland and they guarantee the flippers will be in all stores. There's no reason now for any Newfoundlander (or visitor to Newfoundland) to go much longer with one of our favorite meals.

    I can almost taste it now! - Can't wait much longer.

  • Jane
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    Cinnamon..at least those cute prairie dogs have a chance. They can go underground when they hear you coming and with 4 feet they can run faster than the average child. Also, they have teeth to take a chomp out of you if you hurt them. They probably have the sense to hide their young underground when they can't walk yet. So....no contest there. Prairie dogs have it good, I'd say.

  • Vera
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    The whole thing should be abandoned. What a disgrace. And we as taxpayers are paying for all this. The seal hunt smears the whole country, just for a few lousy votes. Incredible.

  • BeenThereDoneThat
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    To Art Stone. First of all I doubt if you are from the U.S., as Americans do not refer to their country as the 'states'.

    In your second comment you say you're a (profesional Rugby player from Bath, England)( professional has 2 esses)

    Well, what is it Art. Are you a Yank or a Limey? Either one, you're an ignoramus, and I would venture a guess, that these 'big muscles' are between your ears. Remember, Art, there are a lot of people in Newfoundland, who could give you an attitude adjustment.

    You hide behind a cloak of anonymity, because, for all your 'big muscles, you don't have the guts to identify yourself.

    And to Linda from BC, and Bridget Curran from Halifax. May your tampon grow roots

  • Barbara
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    Linda from BC Based on how many times you were here today its obvious you have no life at all you miserable ill informed old bag.

  • ANON
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    Tanya after reading my commentary with the Capitalization process, I think I should have used the correct method of mainly lower case. It is not only correct but easier to read.

    But please Tanya keep telling your fellow Newfoundlanders and Labradorians that everyone has to assist in getting back that what we lost, our human resource and our natural resources, that is if we want to create a vibrant Newfoundland and Labrador. We also have to be heard and we have to do something about being heard, we have to start a conversation and correspondence campaign.

    Everyone has to speak up and demand a fair and equal position for Newfoundland and Labrador in the Canadian Federation, and we have to put pressure on our politicians, both Federal and Provincial, that the province's resources must be processed in our province and that they must never ever be exported out of here again. I will reiterate, they must never again be shipped off to places like Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Ontario and Manitoba for refining and smelting, since that is where the economies and jobs are created in the processing sectors. And of course the spin off industries.

    In the future the only Newfoundlander and Labradorian who should have to move away for work or study should only be only the ones who want to.

    We have enough of everything existing in our own province to create an addition to the G8 series of countries, if we wanted to do something about it. The essential that was missing, was motivation, nobody was motivated and motivation is the main ingredient that will have to be put into the equation. We have to become animated enough to start the ball rolling.

    We have the resources and we have the location. We have everything that is needed to bake the cake that we are craving, and to bake it perfectly. Now we have to become focused on baking that cake and it is people like you and I who can get the ball rolling.

    Again we have lots of resources, and we have a location which is ideal,since we are centered half way from the heart of North America and half way from the heart of Europe, and once the North West Passage is opened up for shipping, we are in a straight line to China and all of Asia where the action will be for ever and a day.

    Let us join hands and make a difference. We are now living in the Information Technology area and our words can be spread instantly and simultaneously.

    Let us do it Tanya!

  • ANON
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    Tanya - You are so right in your thoughts and commenatry.

    Why Is It That Every Other Place On The Face Of This Earth Can Carry Out Their Traditional Industries, Like Hunting And Farming, Without Impedments Or Intrusions From The Rest Of The World?

    France can select the ducks and geese for its' foie gras' production' without repercussions, So Can Many Other Countries Get Off With Producing 'Veal'. And Now Dozens Of Other Countries Including Canada And The United States Have Included Both Of These Turtorous Industries To Their Lines Of Work, But Not A Peep Is Heard On The King Of Torture, The Foie Gras' Industry. Sure The Tobbacco Growing Industry Survived For Centuries And It Is Only On The Wane Now Because Everyone Is Dying From It, While Seal Meat Is An Omega 3 Oil Meat With Many Essentials Qualities And The Whole World Wants To Ban It. Stop The Production Of Some Other Animal Which Has Qualites Which Are Not As Healthy And Let Us Eat Sea Meat Instead.

    Why Is It That All Of Newfoundland and Labrador's Raw Resources Have To Be Exported To Some Other Province Of Canada To Create Economies And Thus Jobs.

    Tanya From Alberta PLEASE Spread The Word That If We Want It Any Different In Our Beloved Province Of Newfoundland And Labrador, We Have To Open Our Lip And Demand A Change In The Way Things Have Been Done.

    Ultimately We Are The Ones Who Have to Enact The Change.

    Tell All Your Friends In Alberta And Whereever To Speak Up Now.

    I Want To Thank You For Doing So, Let Us Start The Campaign Of Having Our Voices Heard.

    Tanya We Are One Of The Riches Piece Of Real Estate In Canada With More Than 17,000 Kilometers Of Coast Line On The Atlantic Ocean, But We Are Not Repeaping The Benefits.

    LET US BE HEARD TELLING OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY MEMBERS THAT WE ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO ENACT CHANGE.

    THANKS TANYA FOR WRITING YOUR COMMENTARY. IT IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAVE SEEN COMMENTARY WITH A MESSAGE AND A PLEA LIKE YOURS. I HOPE IT IS THE BEGINNING!

    LET US TELL THE WORLD THE STORY OF HOW NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR'S RESOURCES HAVE BEEN ABUSED AND RAPED AND ABUSED!

    SORRY FOR THE CAPITALIZATION, I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD BE HEARD A LITTLE LOUDER BY USING THEM!

    AND CREATION KNOWS WE NEED TO BE HEARD.

    AGAIN PLEASE KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK TANYA.

  • Anon
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    IT IS A MUST READ AND NEVER FORGET THAT EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE IS NOT ONLY PAID TO FISHERS BUT TO FRUIT AND VEGETABLE FARMERS AS WELL. HERE IS THE PROOF.

    If you ever doubted whether FRUIT AND VEGETABLE farmers received Employment Insurance, PLEASE READ an article in todays Globe and Mail. It is SORDID.



    The article appears in the Globe and Mail on Page A3, Saturday, April 19, 2008 titled A bitter harvest for B.C. berry pickers.

    In a stinging 802 page ruling on an employment insurance scam, a federal Tax Court judge says widespread exploitation of Indo-Canadian berry pickers in fields outside Vancouver is reminiscent of scenes from John Steinbecks The Grapes of Wrath.

    A report on the berry and vegetable industry in British Columbia detail labour practices in the local farming industry, some people brought a work record to their EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE Office that would qualify them for employment insurance and not actually do the job. Some who worked but not long enough to qualify for employment insurance would PAY THE EMPLOYER a sum of money in exchange for a suitable working record, the court heard.

    Some berry pickers worked all season and the only reward for their labour was a WORK CARD with sufficient hours to entitle them to EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS.


    If you ever doubted whether FRUIT AND VEGETABLE farmers received Employment Insurance , PLEASE READ an article in todays Globe and Mail. It is SORDID.

    The article appears in the Globe and Mail on Page A3, Saturday, April 19, 2008 titled A bitter harvest for B.C. berry pickers.

    In a stinging 802 page ruling on an employment insurance scam, a federal Tax Court judge says widespread exploitation of Indo-Canadian berry pickers in fields outside Vancouver is reminiscent of scenes from John Steinbecks The Grapes of Wrath.

    A report on the berry and vegetable industry in British Columbia detail labor practices in the local farming industry, some some people brought a work record to the EI Office that would qualify them for employment insurance and not actually do the job. Some who worked but not long enough to qualify for employment insurance would PY THE EMPLOYER a sum of money in exchange for a sutiable working record, the court heard.

    Some vegetable and berry pickers worked all season and the only reward for their labour was a WORK CARD with sufficient hours to entitle them to EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS.

  • Topcat
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    Rugby - isn't that the sport where the players throw around a ball made out of a pig's bladder? As far as I can recall, the majority of the players wear cleats - you guessed it - made out of leather.

    Poor innocent little pigs were killed for your enjoyment old pal. I hope you can live with it.

    Talk about killing for sport!

  • D
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Bridget if you are an ethical vegan good for you, but don't condem the rest of the world if they can't afford the luxury of being able to live such a life style. You're lucky you live in Canada where this is a viable option, there isn't enough food in the world to support a vegan life style for everyone...don't forget your suplements, can't live without them.

    Some advise: Poorly planned vegan diets can be deficient in nutrients such as vitamin B12,vitamin D, calcium,iodine and omega-3 fatty acids.These deficiencies have potentially serious consequences, including anemia,rickets and cretinism in children, and osteomalacia and hypothyroidism in adults. From Wikipedia...

    As for support for a baby cat and baby dog hunt, if it puts money into the pockets of fishermen then its got my back. I've read that many cultures enjoy cat and dog meals, however its usually a last resort when nothing else is available, such as, fruit, vegitables, tofu, tempeh, soy milk, nuts, mushrooms??? etc.

    Can ethical vegans each mushrooms, technically its a living fungus. Burning those fungi alive in the frying pan, if only we could hear their cries...

  • Funky
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Nice name Jane, I knew Jane couldn't be real, sounded to fake.

    I listen to all sides of the argument too. Just most of what is said on the anti-side is bs, and rehashed stereotypical nonsense used to insence unusually dimwitted people. Misinformation exists on the pro-side as well, just not as much. Not near as much.

    I don't think that's why you posted the piece from the Journal-Pioneer Euphemia, the lady of the talking trout, I think you read the first little bit and thought it was leaning more towards your side, and you didn't read it all.

  • Robert
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    I hink we should introduce elephant seals to newfoundland...give the macho seal hunters a real fight.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_seal

  • Aspen
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    You fools each and every mammal in the world are DEFENCELESS again a gun even humans. Before you all speak, think of what you are saying.

    How about the KANGAROO AND RABBITT HUNTS of Australia, those must be the largest slaughter of Land animals on the face of the earth, along with the PRAIRIE DOGS of North America? Nobody gives a hoot about those animals, because you wouldn't dare go against the Australians Hunters in their kangaroo and rabbit hunt, or the Americans and their desire to get rid of the pest known as, the pretty little prairie dogs, because they overgraze the American fields, circus grounds and farms, nor would you be able to wage a Money Rights Campaign annually on the image of these animals, not because they are not beautiful, but because the people whom you would have to go against are too aggressive for you, they wouldn't let you get to first base.

    Again - Every mammal, whether human or animal, on the face of the earth is DEFENCELESS when faced with the barrel of a GUN. Please use your brains before you speak.

    And please remember the people of the United States of America have more guns than any other country on the face of the earth.

  • Aspen
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    It seems like The Telegram has taken responsibility.

    Thanks and please monitor your commentary sites more often.

  • Cinnamon and
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    How about the millions of prairie dogs which get slaughtered every year in North America because people say they are responsible for overgrazing of lands.

    These, too, are beautiful animals but because they tear up farmers fields and borrow holes in the ground they are considered a pest.

    I watched the show called Little People awhile ago, and the gentleman who owned the amusement park/farm on that show was paying children to dispatch those poor creatures.

    It is a pastime in some communities go go out with their guns and bats and dispatched them as soon as they pop out of their burrows, it is really called a sport.

    I think prairie dogs are cute animals, but to most people they are pest.

  • Funky
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    The anti-side does the exact same thing Euphemia, the lady of the talking trout. Anti arguments are based soley on emotion...very few on actual facts.

    Did you know an IFAW member was invited to view the hunt in the 1970s or 80s I think it was by the Troke family from Twillingate (a well-known sealing family). He went and came back and wrote a report demonizing the actions by the sealers. The captain that had invited them out recieved a backlash from the sealers for allowing a protester to travel with them. Years later when the man died, the IFAW member came out and apologized for what he had done. He said he had actually been treated very well and said the hunt was actually done in a very tasteful and humane manner. HE HAD LIED.

    Do you also remember about two years ago the Humane Society of the United States released a list of restaurants and stores that had banned Canadian seafood because of the hunt? Now do you also remember that when contacted about why these businesses joined the list, most had no idea they were on it, and actually did not support the ban. Again MORE LIES.

    Paul Watson has said that if you don't know a fact, make it up on the spot.

    Are these actions the actions of people and groups that actually care about anything except themselves and their own pockets.

    But they are great in court of public opinion where the truth is not always important and they know this, admit this and exploit this.

    Did you know Euphemia, the lady of the talking trout that almost all of the donations these groups receive are from ill informed indivduals. A lot of times, older people on fixed incomes. Easy prey.

    Bridget Curren is a very creative writer, but I believe her accout as much as the story I wrote in elementary school about my trip to the moon to collect green cheese. Don't kid yourself, Bridget Curran is in it for the money.

    NFLders are my people too. Actually, the hunt staying or going doesn't bother me that much. I have no family or friends involved, but what irks me is the uneducated bashing of an industry that is environmentally sustainable, and economically viable for a number of people (small number it may be).

    You say the pro-side is nasty? Yeah, I'll admit some people are, but they are emotional. But you are extremely hypocritical when you say the anti-side is not. The anti-side spits venom at anyone opposing their views, and their arguments resort to the demonization of groups of people instead of using facts.

    You ignore the lies and obvious glaring selfishness of the leaders on the anti-side.

    Get your head out of the sand trout lady.

    I can't wait to hear your reply.

  • Bridget
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Stan, people already pay big money to visit the pups in their nursery each spring. People said the same thing about whale watching - Whales are for killing not watching. Who in their right mind would want to watch whales? and look at it now. Multi-million dollar industry. You shouldn't be so quick to dismiss things - you should open your mind to new experiences and ideas.

    As for your question as to whether these guys enjoy not knowing if they'll return home, why do they keep going out there, then, when there are viable alternatives? There are alternatives to killing seals, and they consistently refuse to consider them, dismissing them out of hand as you have just done, without doing one ounce of research?

    Sealers have been quoted as saying they don't go out for the money but rather for the love of it and because they love it . They love inflicting agony on defenceles creatures a fraction of their own size. They should be ashamed.

    I'm not going to leave them alone . I've been out there and I've seen the brutality they intentionally inflict on those pups. I will not leave them alone until this disgusting industry is shut down for good and the government has implemented a license buyback program to ensure safer, profitable employment for those currently involved in the industry.

    D from NL, I don't eat chicken, steak or wear leather boots. I'm an ethical vegan. No hypocricy here. What about you? Would you be equally accepting of kittens and puppies being stabbed through the face with hooks and skinned alive as they scream?

    Steve and D from NL, killing whitecoats is banned, yes, but the moment they begin moulting - usually at 12 days - they can legally be killed. At that age they are not eating solid food, not swimming, not able to escape or defend themselves - are you trying to tell me you consider these pups to be ADULTS? You need to put away your DFO Book of Propaganda and actually do some real research.

    As for being duped by Paul Watson, I can assure you that I have been present at three seal slaughters so probably actually know more about the age of the pups killed and exactly how they are killed than you do, yourself.

    Steve, who said anything about killing nursing mothers? I think you need to put away the sexist references to soap operas and your bullboy posturing and start behaving like a grownup.

  • Rhonda
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Brigitte curran,these hunters boats are made for this hunt,and if something happens to their boat it comes out of their own pockets...u and everybody else thats knows nothing about supporting their family's from a little island of a 100 people,the way of living to feed their children,what they shut down ur work or what ever u do if u do anything but flap ur lips to nothing u know about....thats whats wrong with this world,to many judgemental people,just talking about something they know nothing about,move to a place,like the magdalen islands or little islands in surrounding area's and see for ur self,u would not last a day because it's labour work,u might get ur hands dirty,so until u have walked in our shoes or our family's shoes....choose ur words wisely...im gonna have a programme on this subject on Blogtv.com live....i hope u attend,if u dare to hear an islander side of it.....Eastcoast_rose.......

  • Aspen
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Rosa from Australia: It would be more appropriate for you to utilize your energy, if you want to protest the unnecessary slaughter of any animal and focus your protest on the humumgous slaughter of kangaroos in Australia. There are more than million kangaroos slaughtered each year in Australia. They are beautiful animals, but nobody cares in Austraila, since they are considered pests.

    These people make me sick, there are all kinds of animal kills in the World, Kangaroos, Prairie Dogs, Rabbits and many, many other yet these people decice to focus on the Seal because they say it is the cutest animal. I say it is because they found a people so gentle, Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, who didn't fight back and that is the sole reason why they got off with this scheme so many years ago which it is still continuing to bring millions of dollars to the Money Rights Groups.

    I would like to see Newfoundlanders and Labradorians rise up and speak up for their rights on everthing that is ailing them in this country and the world for once in their life. If they let people walk all over them, they will never survive in this agressive socieity.

    Newfoundlanders and Labradorians have lost too many resources, fish, hydroelecritity energy, minerals and oil by being too complacent. It is time for them to wake up!

  • Matt
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    You seal hunt people have no arguments to support the hunt. It is all emotion. The arguments here are sad but then so is the hunt.

  • Aspen
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Last sentence in my post of 18/04/2008 at 9:46 AM should have read.....


    I am going to put the blame on The Telegram and hold them responsible.

  • Stan
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    glad to hear the sealers are safe

  • Mike
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    Linda from BC
    Do you know 30 million Canadians that are disgusted by the seal hunt? I'm from Ont. but have no problem. Please take me off your list of 30 million. I'm going to go have a veal sandwich now. You should go clean up east Vancouver.

  • Andrew
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    Hey ANON: When the sealers stop bashing in the heads of the baby seals so there's some left TO SEE we'll be up to spend some money in Newfoundland....not 'till then. And BY THE WAY...guns don't kill people, people kill people.
    Put your money where you mouth is fella...that's what we USA hunters and vets do down here!! Andrew

  • Aspen
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    Ottawa needs to stop doling out quotas of fish to the European Union Countries and countries from the other Continents of the world on which it builds, no doubt, a lot of economic trade and external affairs clout.

    Then they can ban the seal hunt and the seals, the fish and the fishers who have adjacany to their fish stocks can live in harmony.

    Again Ottawa cannot afford to allow the whole World to come to the Grand Banks of Newfoundland and Labrador and subject undue pressure there. It needs to be stopped and then and only then will the fishers be able to make a viable living from their resource which is basically on their doorstep.

    Both Federal and OProvincial politicians have to stop exporting our raw natural resources from the province of Newfoundland and Labrador to create economies in the other provinces of Canada. The people of Newfoundland and Labrador have a right to make a living in their own province as well as the people of all of the other provinces in Canada.

    It is a known fact that the province of Newfoundland and Labrador was well endowed with great natural resources, both renewable and non-renewable and a location which can match that of any location in the world. The province is situated half-way between the center of North America and the European Continent. Now many places can boost those wonderful attributed. Now it is up to the governments of Ottawa and the province of Newfoundland and Labrador to get their acts together to do what is right.

  • Matt
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    al from St. John's---No need to be sarcastic but then anger is typical with your side. Since you need to educate me and others about the cormorant then we can safely assume this issue is not splashed across the newspapers of the world at this time of the year as is the seal hunt. Why should I pay taxes to support a hunt that makes all Canadians look like barbarians?

  • Eugene
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    Methinks Art Stone from Montreal is a provocator (provocateur?). Glad to hear the crews are safe and sound!

  • Topcat
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    lol - That's the only place it's gonna happen. Pleasant dreams honey!

  • Topcat
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    Don't forget everyone. That grocery store chain (owned by a Corner Brook family) are gauranteeing they will have seal flippers at each one of their outlets on Saturday. Only one more sleep.

    We have to give some more thought to having thanksgiving day changed to late May. That way all Newfoundlanders can give thanks to the sea each year in timing with the seal hunt.

    No reason to kill all those force-fed turkeys for thanksgiving when all those seals are out there.

    Save the turkeys - Eat seal.

    Just can't wait for tomorrow.

  • al
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    Linda,

    The only name for an independent NL I can think of right now would be like the old Rolaids commerical. RELIEF

    The RELIEF would be that we would have control of our fishery instead of the dough heads in Ottawa taking care of it.

    The RELIEF would be that we have full control of our offshore oil revenues.

    The RELIEF would be that our vast good clean (you should like that Linda) hydro electric potential would be for the good of this province. We may even consider thowing central Canada a bone or two.

    The RELIEF would be our vast maineral resources would be mined when it is the best for this province (or independent country as you would prefer)

    And the last RELIEF would be that I won't have to listen to anyone west of Halifax who thinks he or she knows what is best for me!

  • Jane
    July 01, 2010 - 20:25

    Aspen Tree?? ....so. I'm against seal-hunting. I don't give a da#m what Canadian farmers are getting for hogs. Or that Nflders aren't getting any of that money, it's less for that Hearn assho*e to waste on ramming ships and paying lawyers to make them look like their actually working and all the hype go with it. It's all just a ploy on his part to stay in power. If he ever said one word against a swiler he'd be hove out of the province. He knows which side his bread's buttered on.

  • Tanya
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    Find sealers new employment indeed. They will leave their homes, many of them over 50 yrs old, and do the manual labor in places like Ontario, Alberta, and B.C., that the natives of those provinces are too lazy, um... educated, to do. They have to follow their children, who have already had to leave Newfoundland and Labrador.

    My father already took the buy out for his fishing licence (no fish to fish anyway) and for what?!? He finds himself out of the comfort of his home, that he worked darn hard to build, out of the island he dearly loves, and in another province every freakin year and at 60 years old, doing work that 20 and 30 years only should be doing.

    It is tradition to seal hunt. It is about the MONEY, isn't that the bottom line. Isn't it better to do it for an income than for NO reason. It is a legal cull for heaven sake. Not like we're poaching them. There are facts that you all just overlook, posting your websites about this or that, believeing what you want, not what is true. Even people from NL who don't understand.... I don't understand them.

    Taxes!!!! Newfoundlanders pay taxes too, more than other Canadians. And our tax dollars are used for some outrageous things, like accomadations for murderers of people, lazy people who don't work at all, you know where I'm going!! So I think your tax dollars should very well go towards the safety of anyone in any profession, and fishing of any kind is their profession.

    Some people from other countries, other provinces, heck even our own province have double standards, are hypocrites, are ignorant to the facts, have no business commenting on how someone else earns their income. Killing baby seals, killing baby seals, killing baby seals, find other work, find another way to earn a dollar, that's all you hear, over and over, and over, and over and over.

    Seals have contributed, but it's FOREIGNERS who have ravaged our waters. You tell me my dad, in his outport, without even a shelter is the reason we have no cod to fish!!!!!!! You know nothing of which you speak. Walk a mile in their shoes. This mess is not the fault of the outport fishermen. How freakin much fish do you think they took from us? How big are the boats they came in? I can tell you for CERTAIN they were bigger than any my father EVER fished on. All he ever did was fish, and from a 30 ft open boat... up until he could not make a living at it anymore, he was robbed by the government then, when he sold them his liscence. I venture to say, which doesn't make me any better than you people, that you have easy money, don't know how to earn money the hard way... never having had to. Assumptions.

    It's high time the Government gave something back to NL, considering everything they've taken from the province. If they have to pay 5 million to send choppers, planes, and ice breakers so these men can bring home any amount of money, it's no business of yours.

    If they use soooo much seal product in Europe, why are they banning it? Where are they gonna get it then? You all boycott Newfoundland seafood. Where do you suppose the seafood you eat comes from? As long as foreign boats grab it, it still tastes pretty darn good eh?

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    To Art Stone from Montreal, I invite you to come down and call me a DUMB Newfie to my face sir!

  • Funky
    July 01, 2010 - 20:23

    What do the anti-seal hunt people think about the possible banning of the hakapik?

  • Sara
    July 01, 2010 - 20:23

    Art Stone from Montreal, QC how dear you say something like that. You are one sick person that needs some help big time.

  • anon
    July 01, 2010 - 20:23

    Andrew Bland wrote: My wife and all the hunting buddies wives I know all over the USA would pay a FORTUNE to see that!!

    Maybe before you write Andrew you should think about what you are saying.

    Andew you call us morons, but might I suggest to you that you are the one who sounds like the moron, just read the dribble you wrote above. What you wrote is so contrary to what you say you feel for the seal. It is Hypocritical!

    So may I ask you Andrew if you are so enraptured by the seal, why do you, your buddies and your wives engage in hunting animals at all? Aren't you REALLY a tadbit HYPOCRITAL?

    You said that you, your Mrs. and all your hunting buddies wives all over the USA would pay a FORTUNE to see the seals.

    What is stopping you from doing so Andrew? Come and up and put your money where your mouths are and maybe you and your buddies will sow the seeds for a eco-sealing industry!

    I THINK YOU ARE TALKING A BUNCH OF GOOBLI GOB IN OTHER WORDS NONSENSE!

    You say Americans do not skin their deer alive in the United States, and neither do deer hunters in Canada, but Andrew you certainly do have your share of the most insidious murders known to mankind committed in the United States.

    The United States must be one of the most murderous countries in the world. I am sick of the crime shows shown on my cable stations that originate out of the U.S. There are so many shows and news cast featuring murders committed in the United States that it limits the availability of decent family shows.

    There must be thousands of murders every year committed in the United States

  • Funky
    July 01, 2010 - 20:22

    These protesters aren't conservationists chris (if that is your real name...hmmm). The seal population is booming, and far from extinction...therefore, there is no conservation issue here.

  • Funky
    July 01, 2010 - 20:22

    To Marcia and Andrew. The majority....vast majority of seals that are harvested are shot.

    Lots of seals around Andrew. Close to 5 million harp seals alone. Only around 250,000 are harvested every year.

  • Robert
    July 01, 2010 - 20:22

    The wrong name went on my comment before, my apologies for the error.

    Linda, where do you get off? I live in Newfoundland but do not support the seal hunt. I already said that. Get a clue and stop belittling an entire province for what some of its people do. If I'm not involved in it what makes you better than me? The mere fact that you were born in a different province? Stop being a condescending fool and learn to use better rhetoric than 'suck it up' and people might take you seriously.

  • Chris
    July 01, 2010 - 20:21

    Humor me for a second here.

    Go get picture of a really cute baby and then poke the eyes out of that picture.

    Reprehensible? Horrible? Twisted?

    But it's just a picture.

    The absolute and complete foundation for the seal protest is based on the power of the image and the human condition to become enamored with what we designate as cute (and for those who use the word defenseless...that gets added on to justify the cause. we all stand by and watch the defenseless get slaughtered every day)

    How many unattractive people and animals - those who are truly threatened - will be ignored while we waste time on the seals? The seals are in no danger. Cute little buggers....but not in danger.

    At least not from the guys with the sticks and guns.

    Any would be anti-sealer who's sitting down to their take out meal wrapped in enough styrofoam and plastic to choke a horse...or maybe sipping their third triple mocha latte from a paper cup....while trying to figure out which of the 10 pairs of shoes you own will get picked for the day - might want to think about the carbon footprint your consumption is leaving behind...I can guarantee it's doing a hell of a lot more damage to the long term survival of the seal than those fella's with the pointed sticks.

    Whatever happened to the cod? I wish we could have risen up and saved him. Hang on, the cod is one ugly mother%3^k@1 - I guess wiping him out was the right thing then.

    I thank God every day I'm so good looking.

  • al
    July 01, 2010 - 20:21

    Hey Linda,

    Good idea for the flag......we'll change ours about the same time BC changes their flag. May I suggest for your flag a green backgound with a Vegan hugging a Red Cedar in Stanley Park.

  • Stan
    July 01, 2010 - 20:21

    i'll go to mcdonalds on that day. not that i'm against seal killing but in my opinion seal meat is motley

  • Stan
    July 01, 2010 - 20:20

    why don't you just click the link that says

    alert an editor

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 20:19

    Barbara, I would expect nothing less from Art, he is after all a Limey.

  • Anon
    July 01, 2010 - 20:18

    Andrew - You sound like you don't have two cents to rub together.

  • Marcia
    July 01, 2010 - 20:18

    To Aspren Tree: The reason the seal slaughter is so barbaric is: It's the largest slaughter of Marine animals in the WORLD, the sealers kill them in a VERY inhumane way and their bodies are left to rot or thrown into the sea. They just want the FUR you knucklehead! Nobody's eating anything here. You're trying to compare apples to oranges and the're two totally different fruits. Try again when you can write and make some sense!!

  • Kelly
    July 01, 2010 - 20:18

    Oh, you 'environmentalists'. You're hilarious! Going on about the rights of animals, vegetarianism, and other such bollocks. Instead of wasting your energy on animals, why not focus your attention on the starving children in the world? There are children in Africa who are being tortured by rebel forces, victimized daily, starving, dying of curable and preventable diseases, and you're worried about SEALS? Are you for real?? Linda, instead of spending God knows how much money to go and observe a hunt (I bet you stare at car wrecks on the highway too), take that money and send it to a charity that helps people.
    Oh, btw, rich Canadians, Americans & Europeans go to Africa all the time to hunt animals with interesting horns, pay $5000 per animal to have them shipped back here and display the heads in their houses. I know it is so as I have walked on a zebra rug, and had my picture taken with a stuffed exotic animal. Why don't you go over there and fight for the rights of those animals? At least some NLers eat seal (I think it's vile, but hey, I don't like veal either) and we use the oil for the Omega-3 properties. The animals in Africa are simply used for decor. NLers need to be more like the Africans - simply do not allow protestors to come here. If you don't like what we do...leave!!!

  • Topcat
    July 01, 2010 - 20:18

    Prairie dogs have it good.

    So I guess Jane doesn't really have anything against killing after all - providing the animal has a fighting chance.

    Maybe it's just the image of a defenseless animal being killed, is really what troubles her.

    Image is what it's all about.

  • Aspen
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    Jane - there is more life in the seal hunt now than there ever was.

    The meeting to the European Union last week by the 2 Premiers was very instrumental and the politicians of those rogue nations have been brought to their knees.


    The European Union countries know that if they ban the seal hunt, then they will have to pay the piper for the overfishing in and around the Grand Banks of Newfoundland.

    Ottawa will have no other choice if they decide to ban the hunt than to cut back on their quotas of the fish which they are allotted by Ottawa on different species. They will have to cut back to account for the fish that the extra seals will need to eat. If they are the ones to ban the hunt they will have to pay the piper with their fish quotas and I doubt that they will want to do that.

    By the way I was listening to a BBC Radio overnight last evening, and there was a news story on the rogue EU nations having bought into and now overcutting the Forests of Cameroon, Africa. The people are on to it and are trying desperately to do something about it. I wish the people of Cameroon all the luck in the world, since they will need it to fight those rogues who have no conscience and they destroy every resource that they come in contact with.

  • Liz
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    Bridget, the article on the web-site that you wrote of your experiences on the ice really need to go into a newspaper. It's enough to make a grown man cry, well some, it did me. Pls. do as I suggested when I left the email message and get it out for the Country to read.

    Keep the faith.

  • David
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    It sadden me that people still think they kills whitecoats! Yeah, and there are Canadian that still think we do also! Do you read, do you look into what you are talking about! Do you just go off the deep end and sputter about nothing that you know about? Seal hunt has changed from the 70s and if you took the time to read you would understand that! Too bad the cod fish was not cute as I think they are beautiful as they help me survive the first 17 years of my life! So, did seals, we eat seals meat and it's better than any viagra you can buy on the market! People go to animal rights site, read and they take it as gospel and there is two sides to every story. Seals eat cod fish, seal will come up and go into fresh water ponds and eat what they find. Yeah, I'm all for letting all animals go wild and crazy and maybe some of the uneducated people will get eaten and problem solved. Go to KFC or Mac and have some good food. LOL Sad day, when we believe paul watson who seem to be getting fatter each year on your money! Bet he eats meat? Prove me wrong!

  • Topcat
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    You know, I'm getting closer and closer to changing sides. If you look at it realistically, there's no reason for us to put any animal or living being through any hardship at all.

    Becoming a vegan is looking better and better all the time. From now on we should let every living creature roam free and un-obstructed. It's no longer a necessity to use animals for food, work, or our own pleasures. We can survive without meat, there's lots of other healthy food choices (it would almost eliminate the need for freezers also). There's tractors so we don't need to use oxen to pull our ploughs and carts. These rodeos can use motor driven vehicles instead of bulls.

    I'm anxious to get started in helping my animal loving friends. How about we start down in Kentucky? They have this race each year where they make these young horses and race around an oval track with a person on their back. They'll whip the horses to make them run faster in hoping they'll finish ahead of the other exhausted horses which are only about 3 yrs old.

    There's times when the horse falls and has to murdered because it broke it's leg or sustained another serious injury.

    All this is totally un-necessary today. We have racecars today so there is no need to put these beautiful animals through this kind of torture any more. They should be let graze on the open fields.

    Maybe Paul Watson and my other animal loving friends can take up the cause now that the seal hunt is winding down. We'll move on to the Preakness and the Belmont horse races after that. We'll turn race-tracks into hay-stacks before we're finished. Then there's the issue of the forced breeding of these animals so the offspring will continue to be exploited by this so-called sport .

    Then there all these hunting and fishing shows we can focus our attention on. We'll lobby CBS, ABC, NBC, ESPN, and the rest that broadcast these shows which are exploiting animals.

    The seals are only the tip of the iceberg. We all have to join together and cure these wrongs done to all the living creatures in the world.

    It's time we followed through on our convictions. The whole world is just waiting to listen.

  • Todd
    July 01, 2010 - 20:16

    Every year the same BS happens.

    In June this will all be forgotten and Bridget and Linda from BC will have to find something else to complain about.

    What was it what John Lennon said? Life happens when you're busy making other plans. I wonder how many years you two have wasted fighting this fight instead of actually living.

    And why do you always attack Newfoundland and not Quebec Seal hunters?

    Is it because Newfoundland in your eyes is an easier target to pick on and abuse?

    You receive such a harsh verbal beating here today because it's people like you who would rather smear whoever will listen to your lies and images from 30 years ago. You are the ones who should be ashamed of yourselves.

    Why not visit a sealer and his family and tell him or her to their face that their livelihood is no longer accepted and they will need another means to support their families. Why not tell them what you've said here today to their face instead of behind a sign and internet comment board.

    No, sealing might not be the most respectable job, but is drilling for oil? Is urbanizing once unpopulated land? Is drinving your car respectable?

    There are 5 million plus seals in the St. Lawrence region. They're not endangered, they're being managed.

    Do either of you (Bridget or Linda from BC) smack or control mosquitos during the summer months or do pest control in your houses? If you do, you should be ashamed of yourselves as your putting the life of a seal ahead of the lives of other creatures and even those of other human beings with your rants here today.

    If you love the seals so much, why don't go live with them and leave us alone!

    FYI, for those who are interested, feel free visit Bridget Curran on facebook ;)

  • Steve
    July 01, 2010 - 20:16

    Bridget,

    According to the life cycle of Harp Seals, THEY ARE CONSIDERED ADULTS! You're considered a crazy activist willing to do whatever it takes to lie and manipulate people.

    You told me to do some research, then you go,

    ''Each year, mature females (5-6 years old) give birth to a single pup, typically in late February. Pups weigh approximately 10 kg and are 8085 cm long. Immediately after giving birth, the mother smells her offspring, and from that point on will only ever feed her own pup, whose scent she remembers. Harp Seal milk contains up to 50% fat, so pups gain over 2 kg per day when nursing, which lasts roughly 12 days. During this time the mother does not eat, and will lose up to 3 kg per day of body weight. Weaning is abrupt; the mother simply leaves and never comes back''

    That's strange....the mother simply leaves and never comes back....sounds like the mother is implying to the calf, ''You're on your own now''....that kind of sounds like adulthood to me....

    As far as your comment goes about the sealers and their apparent joy of going out onto the ice, risking their lives, watching their boats sink, they enjoy inflicting pain....I guess you called them all personally, had a nice a long talk and they told you this to yourself and you can provide evidence to prove this?

    If you can't, I suggest you leave that argeument out of your future rants as it only makes you look more inept at debating facts, just like your hero Paul Watson.

    I start acting like a grownup?

    Let's see, so far in your crazy rants, you've referred to sealers in the following manner,

    ''They love inflicting agony on defenceles creatures a fraction of their own size. They should be ashamed. ''

    Very mature of you there....perhaps you'd like to tell a sealer that to his or her face???

    Let's see, you were also quoted here,

    ''only a sick person can look in the eyes of a defenceless baby seal and then stab her through the face with a hook and haul her across the ice while she screams and struggles. THAT'S a sick individual''

    Wow...you're one a sick puppy aren't you.

    YOU disgust me.

  • erleen
    July 01, 2010 - 20:15

    Here is an article that talks about all that freeloading that the sealers and the people like to cheerlead for every year:

    http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/04/17/the-millions-ottawa-spends-subsidizing-the-seal-hunt.aspx

    You don't receive subsidies for the seal hunt? Keep sharing all your lies. Nobody is buying it anymore.

  • Bridget
    July 01, 2010 - 20:15

    How difficult is it for these sealers to understand that their boats are not built to withstand heavy ice?

    So they take their boats out there, get stuck in the ice and cry for help from the Coastguard. And who fits the bill? Canadian taxpayers, the majority of whom oppose the seal hunt. Personally, I think the sealers and their supporters should be solely responsible for subsidizing the annual slaughter - I resent my hard-earned tax dollars being lavished upon such a cruel and unnecessary travesty.

    Time to shut down the hunt and retrain these guys to do something other than inflict pain and suffering on defenceless baby seals.

    WATCH seals - don't KILL them. Seal watching would generate far more income than seal killing does.

    While I don't agree with Art Stone's comment, I have to point out to Sara that only a sick person can look in the eyes of a defenceless baby seal and then stab her through the face with a hook and haul her across the ice while she screams and struggles. THAT'S a sick individual.

  • Bob
    July 01, 2010 - 20:15

    Linda but my darling it is not only Newfoundlanders that seal hunt you know

  • D
    July 01, 2010 - 20:15

    Bridget, think about your comments the next time, you enjoy a piece of chicken, bite into a juicy steak or pull on your leather boots...just because you don't do the slaughter, doesn't mean you don't enjoy the rewards...bunch of Hypo's...and since when are we killing baby seals, the white coat hunting ended before I was born, and I'm gettting old...

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    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

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    An enduring Atlantic Canadian tradition, the harp seal hunt, is facing extinction. The fatal blow could shortly be delivered by the European Union, which is considering a complete ban on all seal products.

    A compelling argument can be made the hunt is already facing its end game thanks to well-orchestrated protests, damaging boycotts of Canadian seafood products and the growing participation of A-list celebrities in publicity-grabbing stunts.

    Paul McCartneys appearance on Larry King Live last year provided a huge boost for seal hunt opponents, even allowing for his shrill, ill-tempered, soon-to-be ex wife.

    And there are other signs the hunt may be on life support. They include the ham-fisted seizure of the Farley Mowat and its crew by heavily armed Canadian fisheries officers. Ottawa says the anti-sealing vessel was seized because it ventured too close to sealers and was in Canadian waters while opponents argue the seizure was an act of piracy with the vessel boarded in international waters.

    Regardless of who was in the right, the publicity bonanza for anti-sealers has proven to be priceless.

    Add to the mix a last minute bid by Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams and his Nunavut counterpart to get Ottawa to ban the use of a crude bludgeoning instrument with a sharp hook, known as a hakapik.

    All in an effort to pretty up the hunt and convince European legislators not to impose a ban.

    It may work, it may not.

    But lets imagine the worlds biggest market for seals is suddenly lost. What next?

    Believe it or not there could be a silver lining.

    Wildlife conservation organizations might have more resources to fight for species that are actually endangered, whose numbers are somewhat less than the five million quoted for harp seals.

    Perhaps they could shine a brighter spotlight on the deplorable Japanese whaling industry, which continues to slaughter the magnificent creatures in the name of scientific research.

    Or how about other species, such as the spotted wolffish, which dont have wealthy champions? No celebrity is going to want to pose next to a fish with a mouth filled with razor sharp teeth and a demeanour that is anything but cuddly.

    It must be said, activists will have to work much harder replacing a lucrative source of funding once adorable baby seals have disappeared from the radar screens and from fundraising literature and television and Internet promotions.

    What will they use to sell T-shirts?

  • Max
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    Art from Montreal you are one sick cookie. As a matter of fact, all you anti-seal harvesting weirdos are sick. Too bad you have nothing better to do for yourself, for your town, for your province, for your country. Get a life for God's sake!!!

  • Linda
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    Linda, where do you get off? I live in Newfoundland but do not support the seal hunt. I already said that. Get a clue and stop belittling an entire province for what some of its people do. If I'm not involved in it what makes you better than me? The mere fact that you were born in a different province? Stop being a condescending fool and learn to use better rhetoric than 'suck it up' and people might take you seriously.

  • Martin
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    Just a comment from Europe.

    In Austria, we have banned fur farming ages ago, in 1998 to be exact. Since then, all farms have been removed. The farmers found new work. There were more than 200 farms 20 years ago.

    In any case, the law says today that it is illegal to kill or keep any animal for its fur.

    Thats why the Austrian parliament has decided to ban the import of any seal products too. We don't want to import the parts of animals killed for their fur. We find that simply unethical and revolting. Welcome to the 21st century, where animals are not commodities to be used and abused for luxury items. At least in Europe, dunno how things are in the developing world on the other side of the Atlantic.

    And by the way, last year I paid to go seals watching in Scotland. Was a wonderful trip, saw many peaceful seals and could watch them play from the boat. That was a very cool trip and I am happy to do that again - in Canada too, if you manage to catch up on ethics.

  • Aspen
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    I did alert the Telegram last evening and nothing happened, and I called to see if I could speak with the Publisher this Morning and he is out of town.

    I am sick of how the world pounces on the province of Newfoundland and Labrador over the seal harvest when there are so many more killings of animals which are more torturous to the animals concerned. We do not have any large scale beef, pork, chicken or turkey industries here, so we are the people of the world who kill the less animals. We have very few farms, we only produce something like 4 per cent of the food we eat, even though we could produce enough to feed the population which exists here.

    There are a billion animals or more killed each year in this world to feed a world population of more than 6 billion people, but the people who have to absorb the shock of all the mistreatment of animals around the world, are the people who are credited with the statistic of having the lowest crime rate in Canada, Newfoundlnders and Labradorians, and who are the people who kill a miniscule number of the world's animals.

    There is something the matter with that picture, and all Newfoundlanders and Labradorians need to stand up and be counted in counteracting it.

    I will add here that I am not a big meat eater and I would just as soon see the seal hunt end , but if the seal hunt must end so must the slaughter of all animals including, cows, pigs, lambs, chicken, turkeys, kangaroos, prairie dogs, rabbits, moose, elk, deer, bear, and on and on it goes. Every animal must be able to live out its days and live and frolic naturally without being killed for food.

    All or none!

  • Robert
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    Linda: yes I think I took your earlier post too seriously, and admitted to making an error in attributing my reply. Now that we're on the same page, I really don't see there being much I as an individual can do here. you've seen the hostile emotion-based responses both sides of the seal hunt issue provoke here. It just irks me to be tarred with that same brush when people who aren't in Newfoundland (and if you lived here and truly know this place, I apologize) discriminate against the province.

    Frankly my issue with the seal hunt is not so much a moral one (I am not a vegetarian, but haven't killed or eaten any seals either) as an issue with how Newfoundlanders are perceived as a result of the hunt. To me the hunt is not worth continuing for all the negative publicity it generates. The tradition is not important to me, and I don't rely on the hunt for sustenance or employment. it makes me sad that the province is so convinced that the hunt is necessary or viable despite what others say that it has virtually isolated itself. I get your joke about having a bloody flag to represent the hunt, but I'm sure I am not the only one in the province who would say that doesn't represent me. And I was born and have lived all my life here.

  • chris
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    Your comment sucks !Stan Darsh from Nl
    Those so called Seal Hunters muderers have no one to blame for their own fate!
    They have been rapeing the oceans and wildlife for years and years..
    And then to brandish the very club they kill seals with; at a conservation crew ; Shows the world just how they treat their fellow man just as they treat the seals.... I dont blame the canadian people here.. This is just another part of poor leadership in another place of the world !

  • al
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    Matt,

    I'm not being sarcastic, nor am I angry. I guess because the Cormorant cull is not splashed across the newspapers it makes it ok & different from the seal hunt. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cormorant cull was to satisfy the weekend anglers that complained the birds were eating their game fish. Be careful, Paul Watson may be steaming up Lake Erie in the next while.

    These fishermen who make a part of their income from the seal hunt are the same fishermen who for years had to sit by and watch Federal Govt after Federal Govt. give fishing rights to Spain, Portugal, Russia, & just about every other country that had a dory, to rape the fishing grounds off Newfoundland.

    I have never killed a seal & I have no intension of ever doing it. However, I will defend my legal rights to the last breath.

    By the way Matt......if you are worried about your tax dollars & how the
    Coast Guard spends it. Take up a little protest for every mainland nut that comes to Newfoundland each spring in a bathtub size row boat to row across the Atlantic. 2 hours of rowing & their usually calling Coast Guard to come & rescue them.

  • David
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    Whitecoats are seals, just because they are white they make for great pictures! That is all they are good for, as what else do they do beside eat fish, or have they gone to eat carrots? I guess Art bought a Newfie Joke book! Now we get to insulting each other and art I'm glad you enjoy paying taxes as we all know Canada is like a cow! Feeds of the west, Milked by Ontario and Quebec, Craps on the Marititmes ! Sad thing Art you might have some Canadian Newfoundlanders living next door to you as we all don't live in Newfoundland. What do you do for a living Art? Don't make anything up? Sad thing is 77% of Newfoundlanders have left Newfoundland to find work as we do move to find work as we don't wait for it to come to us! Come visit Newfoundland, she is a beautiful place and we are friendly. Likely we would invite you in and give you a meal and not ask a dime as we are like that! Don't insult us or any one from any country as we are all got to learn to get along. Enjoy life and learn something new today ...

  • Aspen
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    JANE - CHECK OUT THE BILLIONS THAT WILL BE SPENT IN THE REST OF CANADA IN 2008 FOR THE OTHER PROVINCES.

    Just a few months back Ottawa pledged $500 million to the farmers and just LAST WEEK IT PLEDGED $50 million to slaughter hogs.

    If you follow the spending of the Federal Government, you will find there are billions spent in the other provinces of which not one dollar of it comes to the province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

    Over the past 6 years I can remember Bombardier got approximately $4 Billion dollars handed over to them by the Federal Government. Bombardier is just a Corporation operating from Quebec and exists only because of Federal Government largesse.

    There are monies pledged to the other provinces for Museums, the 2010 Olympics, Railway infrastructure, etc., etc.,. Just go to the Federal Government site and see for yourself.


    READ BELOW - This is part of a story that ran in the Globe and Mail on April 15th, this present week. The province of Newfoundland will get NO PART of these monies coming from Ottawa.


    Ottawa to pay farmers $50-million to slaughter hogs
    PAUL WALDIE AND JOE FRIESEN

    From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

    April 15, 2008 at 12:27 AM EDT

    TORONTO AND WINNIPEG In an unprecedented move, the federal government plans to pay hog farmers up to $50-million in total to slaughter as many as 150,000 breeding swine.

    Farmers will receive $225 for every hog they kill, so long as they agree to wipe out their entire breeding herd and stay out of the hog business for three years. The government hopes the program will reduce a glut on the market that has helped drive down prices.

    It's a pretty drastic step, said Clare Schlegel, a hog farmer near Kitchener, Ont., who is also president of the Canadian Pork Council. The $225 price is roughly four times what a farmer would get for a culled hog on the market today, he added........

  • Funky
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    Hey Jane....if that is your real name?....what if Funky Monkey is my real name? I'm very offended you don't like my name. I'm decended from a long line of monkeys...in fact we are definately related if we go back far enough.

    Anyway, people can make up names, weather they sound real or fake, the message people have there is the important part.

    And Jane baby? Are you the Jane that added the opinion piece from the Journal Pioneer? Because it kind of casts the anti-seal hunt protesters in a poor light, if you don't know what I mean, I suggest you read it again.

  • Stan
    July 01, 2010 - 20:12

    Bridget Curran from Halifax, NS do you really think anyone with one brain cell would pay money to go out and watch these clumsy creatures flop around on the ice while - the people who are watching - freeze their body parts off? to risk the same dangers that sealers do with ice compacting and ocean swells just to watch the seals? fact of the matter is that sealers are putting themselves - as we've allready seen this hunt - in a life or death situation to be part of this. do you think these guys enjoy not knowing if they'll return home? you don't scold people who left home to fight in iraq and real people are being killed there.

    i'm not trying to call people names or be short tempered with anyone but people don't realize the dangers sealers have to face to make a living.

    i mean $hit leave them alone!

  • Jane
    July 01, 2010 - 20:12

    If I ever get access to any funds I will donate it all to the Anti-Sealing Coalition of NS and name them in my will also.

    You are WRONG in saying misinformation exists on both sides, no it's only on your side. I believe every word that Bridget Curran writes. She is Honest and ethical and not in it for the money like everyone else. She's been to the ice and lived to tell the tale. If I can ever do anything to help her out I will do my darndest. You and your ilk think that just because swilers have done it for generations they need to keep on doing it. It's dangerous work for little reward.
    Nlfders will always be my own people who I think are the best and funniest on the planet. I'm sure there's lots of others who would disagree with swiling but as Rob said earlier, they feel to intimidated to speak up. The pro-sealers can be down-right nasty when they've got nothing to say so they use intimidation. Well it won't change my mind.

  • Topcat
    July 01, 2010 - 20:12

    Good thing Adam took a bite out of the apple. I would have hated to see what he would have got had he clubbed a seal and ate it.

  • Linda
    July 01, 2010 - 20:12

    You are insulted? Well, actually my dear Robert,, I and 30 million Canadians are insulted everytime we open the paper and see this garbage. Now you know how it feels so suck it up.

  • Todd
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    Funky Monkey,

    I'll answer that question for them (even thought I'm not messed up in the head activist),

    the banning of the hakapik would mean no images of seals being dragged along the ice flows, no more video of apparently violent seal deaths, in a word, no more money!

    the hakapik is the anti-sealers version of the Swastika, used by them to misinform as many people as possible about the apparent horrors that occur on the Canadian ice flows.

    They would be the first ones to oppose banning the hakapik because without that, they're bank accounts would run dry.

  • al
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    Matt from Ontario,

    Do you have an arguement to support the Cormorant cull in the Lake Erie region of Ont?? Take care of your own back yard before you worry about ours.

    By the way Matt....a Cormorant is a bird.

  • Linda
    July 01, 2010 - 20:10

    You Newfs need to set up your own country. May I suggest Wekillbabyseals or some such thing. The rest of us are tired of this so called hunt so PLEASE....take it with you when you go.

  • Jane
    July 01, 2010 - 20:09

    Funky, my name is JANE, what's yours?

    I referred to Euphemia of the talking trout (not my name) as a joke because she was so funny. I thought you were on and read her post too. Obviously not . See news 15 Apr. under Ban of Halipik in Seal Hunt. READ what she wrote.

    Now do we sound like the same person. (Pls. say no).

    As to your last post: you say I ignore the lies and obvious glaring selfishness of the leaders. They don't tell lies so there's nothing to ignore. Bridget is a vegan, she cares about animals almost as much as I do or more. Are you telling me you consider her selfish? Or do you mean Mr. Watson, I already wrote to the society to complain about his inflamatory comments which get nobody any farther ahead. Hearn is even worse I wrote and complained about his antics to. No response from either side.

    I love the way you and some others quote Watson when it suits your purpose to do so.

    As for getting my head out of the sand, it is places squarley on my two shoulders.

    Now stop scratching you monkey as* and say something smart on today's post that will awe me.

  • al
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    Here we go again!! Linda from BC!!
    Yes Linda....us (as you put it) Newfs, we are the bad guys. Killing babies.....set us adrift from Canada....set up our own country.

    Didn't I read a little while ago there was a rooster fighting ring dicovered in Surrey. 1300 animals involved. Linda.....that must make you a barbarian.....GET out of this country Linda.

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    Maybe all the anti-sealers should take a snowmobile trip on the west coast of newfoundland and get a glimpse of the helpless caribou walking around covered in blood from coyotes chewing at them. It's nature people!

  • Flo
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    Hey Linda in B.C.
    A man puts a worm or a fly on a hook and lures a beautiful Rainbow Trout to
    it's death by hooking it by the lips or the side of it's mouth, and plays with it for some time while enjoying the thrill of the fight knowing quite well who will win. The trout is then placed in the boat gasping for water or put in a container of water to fight even longer for it's life.
    Your province depends on this type of tourist industry. Don't preach to the Newfoundlanders, you hucking fipicrit

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    Sherry, I am glad all is well with your father and the others! Pay no attention to the rest of them!

    All the best!

  • Funky
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    I love you Jane.

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 20:07

    I see your very intelligent also Art, you must of taken many concussions in your rugby career.

    Signed, running scared!

    BTW, never held a seal club in my life!

  • Linda
    July 01, 2010 - 20:07

    Well thanks for the laugh, al. Yes, that rooster ring was a blight on the province of BC, rest assured. But no need to crow about that now that we have disbanded it. Maybe you are angry because you have a better name for an independent Newfoundland?

  • Jane
    July 01, 2010 - 20:07

    Aw, gee, you love Bridget and Paul Watson more I know that.

  • Sherry
    July 01, 2010 - 20:07

    I am so glad that these men are all safe. My father was a man on this boat, and when you hear the news its now a good feeling to have. And for all of you who are complaining about you tax paying dollars, so what if the Coast Guard as to go and get them. You want them to be looking for seven bodies instead. I dont. At least I know where my tax paying collars are going. And for all you anti sealers why are you always talking about Newfoundlanders killiig seals. I dont hear anyone talking about people killing moose, caribou, coyotes or any other animals. Any why is this.. Its because all you see is blood on white ice. So what. I am so glad that my father is still alive.

  • Pete
    July 01, 2010 - 20:07

    Stan, lots of Newfoundlanders are against the seal hunt, not just the CFAs. Many are too afraid to say because of the venom of your kind. You cannot have a rational conversation about this here at all.

  • Jane
    July 01, 2010 - 20:07

    Topcat a good receipe that you asked for: After you get the poor unfortunate creature, skinned, stuff it with exlax. Rub it with Tabisco sauce and bake at 600F for 10 hours. Invite all your seal loving friends over and feast on that.

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 20:05

    Intelligent Art

  • Andrew
    July 01, 2010 - 20:05

    To Steve Darsh on his Sealer comments:
    Bridget is 100% RIGHT ON! Here in the
    United States of America where hunters don't skin alive their ONE deer per season for the coat and leave the remains to rot (we process the meat and eat it!) we refer to those kind of men as slaughterers that for probably less than a $1,000 a run are out killing defenseless baby seals.
    Don't the morans know the're doing all that head bashing for someone else to make a ton of money? Better to find another way to make some cash than making the pelt sellers richer and richer.
    And as far as me and my Mrs. comin' up there to see those baby seals and their mothers? My wife and all the hunting buddies wives I know all over the USA would pay a FORTUNE to see that!!
    So stick it Steve....you people up there wouldn't know a real hunter if ya saw one!!
    Andrew

  • Jane
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    Bridget, your courage and good sense amazes me. I know you've been out to witness these atrocies on the ice. YOU know what your speaking about. These people who try to insult and intimadate have probably only seen seal when it's passed to them on a plate. They neither know nor want to know what seal BABIES and even grown seals must suffer to end up there. It's a researched fact that seals as sentinent beings are capable of feeling fear, pain, and great stress when they are being tortured.

    Keep it up Bridget, I know that you are doing it for ethical reasons, you, at least are not in this business for the almighty buck. God Bless and keep you.

  • Amber
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    Art Stone is crossing the line of decency with some of the insults that he is writing concerning Newfoundlanders and Labradorians who are legally harvesting seals, no differently than Australians are harvesting kangaroos.

    I think The Telegram has a responsibility here to edit such abuse, it would never happen in any other Newspaper in the World. But as we know The Telegram is a Canadian Newspaper.

    I would like for some of the Watchdog Groups to take a look at this particular site and scrutinize what is being said with regard to using abuse and deal with it in a way that it doesn't happen ever again.

    By the way are the watchdogs of the Telegram asleep on the job?

    I am going to select a statement made by Art Stone and here it is: Art Stone from Montreal, QC writes: Hello John,Oh yeah...Newfies are violent too as well as DUMB.

    Isn't that a loaded statement when every country in the world kills animals and a lot of the animals are subjected to far more torture than the seal, and enjoy absolutely no freedom during their existence unlike the freedom the seals enjoy? An example of that would be the ducks and geese which are selected at birth for the 'foie gras'industry and the calves for the 'veal' industry.

    Somebody needs to scrutinize this site, since obviously there isn't anybody who is doing so. They are neglecting their responsibility. I think I will take the time to ponder whether or not I will renew my subscription to this paper.

    EVERY YEAR THE PROVINCE OF NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR GETS THE DISTINCTION OF BEING THE PROVINCE IN CANADA WITH THE LESS CRIME. ART STON IS SO PREJUDICED WITH HIS STATEMENTS AND CRUEL THAT HE SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO TASK.

    And we cannot forget the human beings who get killed every day around the world by criminals. Just last week 3 dear little children were killed by their father in British Columbia, another baby was shot in its crib by two rival gagns fueding outside her house in another community in Canada. How can a person like Art Stone be allowed to get off with such awful writings.

    I am going to put the blame on The Telegram responsible.

  • Topcat
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    How many of the 30 000 000 eat meat I wonder? The vast majority of grocery stores I have visited have larger meat departments then their fruit and vegetable departments combined.

    Maybe the coyote's and seals are buying it.

    P.S. Is anyone on here willing to share some of their recipes for seal. I'd appreciate it if they'd post em here.

  • al
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    Bridget, Steve

    Come on.... Baby Seal The IFAW, Greenpeace, WWF & all the rest of the tree huggers coined the phrase Baby Seal to give the seal PUP a human quality to do nothing more that suck money out of the Americans. Geez, even our own media use the term Baby Seal . What do you call a new born cat???? Baby cat......no you call it a kitten. What do you call a new born moose?? Baby moose.....no a calf. Paul Watson is an expert at media relations & sucking money from Americans, upper Canadians & Europeans that think they are saving some starving Africian infant by throwing their disposable income at him.

    SEAL PUP......not BABY

  • Funky
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    Thank God the sealers are safe.

    Hey Bridget. How ya getting on? Long time, no see.

    What do you think about the government banning the hakapik? Only a small proportion of sealers still use it. VERY SMALL. But that still seems to be the only thing you guys jump on.

    Baby seals aren't killed either. They are young, but they are independent seals and have been abandoned by their mothers by the time hunters get to them. Try to get that right for once. The seals don't grow up, and leave home at 18 and head off to college like humans.

    Seal watching? Give me a break. Do you really think there is a market for people to pile on a small boat in the freezing North Atlantic in spring and steam to the ice flows to watch seals. Hey, I love all animals, hate to see cruelty to animals, spend hours watching them when I'm outside, but I really really don't think their is any kind of chance of a seal watching industry ever matching the oney provided by the sealing industry. There are enough seals there now for both to exist anyway if you want to do that. And I have just one question on that as well. If you say the ice is dangerous for the sealers boats to go near, do you think the people of the country will want to pay for the rescue of tour boats stuck in ice? Or will everyone be piling onboard the Farley Mowat, that wonderful tub.

    What majority of Canadians oppose the hunt? Please provide proof to such statements. From unbiased sources. I don't think asking 500 members of PETA or the Sea Shepard Society is a true indication of the sentiment across the country. But those are the types of surveys your type tend to cite.

  • Sara
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    Bridget my darling, I would never be able to look into a seals eyes or any other animal and do that BUT that is how some people make a living, really if they were green, full of bumps with eight legs and spit at you all the time would you try and save them then? NO you would not. If you love animals so much why dont you try and help the ones that are almost extinct. Their are so many animals out their that get killed in a worst way then the seal so why is it that the seal is the only thing you people worry about. CAUSE THEIR CUTE AND THEY BRING IN THE MONEY.

  • Sara
    July 01, 2010 - 20:02

    Art Stone from Montreal, QC, I am a pro sealer but I can say that I would never get on here and insult the anti sealers or anyone else they way you did. And you came down here and tried to see seals to take pics and didn't see any will darling you must of been looking in the wrong places (you dont find them in ponds you know), I went out last summer every fine day in the boat and every day I went I would get at least 5 different photos of seals, I got pics of whales and even dolphins. I just think you really need someone to love and to talk with, if you moved to NFLD you would have all. We are good loving people you know Art and I think it is time for you to calm down and let that good person inside of you get out. Take Care

  • HARRY
    July 01, 2010 - 20:02

    I KNOW THERE IS ALWAYS A FUSS ABOUT THE SEAL HUNT BUT IT,S A WAY OFF LIFE FOR THE NFLD PEOPLE AND THE NWT PEOPLE WHAT ABOUT THE INNOCENT LITTLE LAMB AND THE INNOCENT LITTLE CALF THERE IS A BIGGER MARKET FOR THIS THAN THERE IS FOR THE SEALS I CAN GO TO ANY SUPERMARKET ACROSS CANADA AND ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND FIND THESE PRODUCTS BUT I CAN,T FIND A MEAL OFF FLIPPERS I WISH I COULD IF ANYBODY KNOES WHERE I CAN LET ME KNOW

  • Joey
    July 01, 2010 - 20:01

    Al:

    Add a Prius and a joint and you've got yourself a flag

  • Jane
    July 01, 2010 - 20:01

    No b'y my real name is Euphemia, the lady of the talking trout.

    I've got nothing against listening to both sides of an issue, so ya I copied the Journal piece. They close the comments if you say boo to loud. If I didn't want to hear both sides I'd just skip right over yours and Aspens, and topcats, since I already know where you stand but no I read them all. Just thought you might like to run with it though.

    Re that other lunatic, Art, who corrected my spelling of were. I was quoting the Joan Morrissey song, Thank God we're surrounded by Water. Not being a Newfie he wouldn't know that. He was too totally unreasonable to talk to anyhow. Thank God no one got murdered while he was here last fall. We hate the issue, he hates all of us. period.

  • Linda
    July 01, 2010 - 20:00

    Hey, that is an idea. Could we get all the pro-seal hunt nuts in Newfoundland out in bathtub boats(all ten of them who are here today) and have a race to the front? The first who gets there without a life preserver gets free seal meat for the whole year.

  • Aspen
    July 01, 2010 - 20:00

    Jane you are not using your brain again. There are a million Janes in North America. What is your last name, if indeed, your first name is Jane?

    You people sound so uneducated! Get an education before you comment!

    You renmind me of having the same amount of brainpower as the followers of Charles Manson and Jim Jones.

  • Topcat
    July 01, 2010 - 20:00

    How about this for an idea.

    Thanksgiving day is held in the fall of the year to give thanks for the harvest of our crops planted that year. Observing this day in the fall makes perfect sense for any locality that is reliant on this industry.

    Wouldn't it make sense for coastal locales to observe Thanksgiving more in line with the timing of a major harvest from the sea. Suppose we change our observation of Thanksgiving Day to a day in the Spring. There are several fisheries in the Spring which would support the idea of giving thanks for the gifts from the sea then rather than in the fall.

    It's been a tradition (especially in the States) that thanksgiving is always celebrated by having a turkey dinner. This holiday is a very special day in the States and I've never heard of any animal rights group condemning the Americans for murdering all these turkeys.

    If we held our Thanksgiving day in the Spring, we could start our own traditions here in Newfoundland (and other fishery dependant areas). Perhaps we could have a Seal dinner to celebrate the day rather than a turkey dinner.

    We'd be contributing to our own economy by purchasing local products, and we'd be enjoying a dinner that we harvested ourselves.

  • john
    July 01, 2010 - 20:00

    I am opposed to the commercialization of the seal hunt. They need to bring the quotas down and stop killing the seals mainly for pelts.

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2006/03/23/nf_seal_meat_20060323.html

    This would bring the right hunters out for the right reasons (meat, tradition). It's also disgusting how seals are hunted at exactly the time the seals are moulting making them easy pickings. Most seals are killed between 12 days and 3 months of age before they are able to swim or eat. They argue that they need the hunt for tradition but only 120 boats this year have participated compared to 403 last year. Media claims this is due to falling pelt prices and high fuel costs. Most sealers do it only for the money. The competitiveness to collect pelts in 3 weeks also sets up time constraints and the likelihood the seals will either be skinned alive or ineffectively killed. The hunt itself looses more money than it gains when you consider economic, tourism and seafood boycotts as well as taxypayer subsidies. Canadian taxpayers have to subsidize the search and rescue operations, monitoring of the hunt, finding the seal herds with high tech equipment, policing the killing and paying for lawyers/ flying politicians to fight the EU ban attempts.

    http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/04/17/the-millions-ottawa-spends-subsidizing-the-seal-hunt.aspx

    It's time to do something positive and use the International stage to find the sealers new employment. If you want to continue to hunt a few like the aboriginals fine. But the make work program the government has set up is failing miserably for the sealers and for the Canadian public.

  • Linda
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    What about the Republic of Hakapik as the new name for an independent Newfoundland? Now, that is kind of catchy. And the new flag could depict a sealer bashing a baby seal, lots of red on white, kind of like the Japapnese flag but more gory. Remember, you heard it here first.

  • Linda
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    Actually, al, I am a vegan and I do like your idea. I hope it comes to fruition. Now have you thought of a name? I am waiting.

  • Anon
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    On Thursday April 17, 2008 of this week CBC's Fisheries Broadcast were supposed to be hosting Paul Watson of the Sea Shepard Society for an 1 hour questioning period call-in show.

    He appeared on the show, but stayed no longer than 30 minutes.

    He answered a few quetions by callers and an in-house guest. One of the questions was put forward by the in house gueston on his qualifications to pilot his ship. He skirted around the issue of the extent of his mariner's qualifications by saying that he sailed the seas long enough to have knowledge to do the job, never letting on to what his qualifications really were. I doubt he has any, or surely he would have been glad to reveal the extent of his studies, where he stuided to acquire his mariners papers, but he didn't.


    He fielded two calls from First Nations People, the second caller was Chief Jones of Haida Gwaii of the Queen Charlotte Islands of British Columbia. Chief Jones went on to speak about the very beneficial qualities of seal meat and the fact that the meat is a wonderful source of Omega Three Fatty Acids, very esssential to the building of a healthy body. And immediately Paul Watson disconnected himself from the conversation and the show. He didn't want to discuss the isssue and he never did try to get back on the broadcast to answer any further questions or to apologize for his disconnect.

    Paul Watson cannot argue against the benefical qualities of seal meat and therefore anything he could have said would have been inadequate and it would have showed him in a very bad light. But what Paul Watson failed to understand by fleeing the show is now that is true character is revealed and that he showed himself in a worse light.

    If Paul Watson wants to redeem himself, he should reoffer himself to CBC's Fisheries Broadcast and finish the show that he promised that he would do.

  • Robert
    July 01, 2010 - 19:58

    Linda, that's pretty insulting to the Newfoundlanders who don't have any part in the seal hunt. Say what you will about sealers, but it's ignorant and patronizing to refer to all of us here that way.

  • Rosa
    July 01, 2010 - 19:58

    For those that say that sealing is a way of life. May I remind you that they used to feed people to lions as a form of entertainment. But guess what........they became civilized. The seal hunt is atrocious any way you look at it. What mankind does to other species is shameful.

  • chris
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    National Post

    The millions Ottawa spends subsidizing the seal hunt

    Posted: April 17, 2008, 7:21 PM by Jeff White

    http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/04/18/the-millions-ottawa-spends-subsidizing-the-seal-hunt.aspx

    By Murray Teitel
    Whether you think killing seals is a bad thing or a good thing, whether you think it barbaric or humane, you should oppose Canada's annual seal hunt.


    According to Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) the justification for the hunt is to provide economic opportunities for Canada's coastal communities. Last year, according to its Web site, this entire economic opportunity amounted to $12-million, the value of all seal pelts landed. They fetched on average $52 a pelt. According to evidence given to Parliament's standing committee on fisheries and oceans on Nov. 6, 2006, half of that is eaten up by expenses, so we are talking, at most, $6-million that flowed to the sealers themselves: one-tenth of 1% of Newfoundland's GDP. (This year it will be even less, because pelts of three to four week old beaters that make up 95% of the catch are selling for between $6 and $33.)


    This $6-million costs Canadians at least 10 times as much and does so year after year. First of all, there is the cost of deploying the Canadian Coast Guard (CCG) to the seal hunt for seven weeks each year. Last year it involved 10 vessels, many of them ..icebreakers, helicopters and patrol planes. Nobody in government knows, even less wants to know, what this costs. DFO claims it costs nothing because the boats and aircraft are owned and the crews are on salary. Does it cost nothing to put out fires in Toronto because it owns the trucks and firefighters aren't on piecework? Toronto hires firefighters and buys trucks based on the anticipated number and severity of fires. A significant part of what CCG does is rescue sealers. Some 24% of its 2003 fishing vessel rescues derived from this hunt. Without it, CCG's annual budget could be significantly reduced. One hunt-deployed icebreaker, the Amundsen, costs $50,000 per day to operate in winter. Given DFO's lack of transparency, one can only estimate the annual CCG cost attributable to the hunt at $5-million.


    Secondly, every year some disaster occurs. Last year, it was heavy ice that trapped sealers for days on end. Some even ran out of cigarettes! DFO calculated the extra CCG costs due to heavy ice at $3.41-million. It also paid $7.9-million to owners of boats damaged by ice. This year, it is the drowning of four sealers and the near drowning of two while being rescued by CCG. This resulted in the cost of an unsuccessful week-long 2,800 nautical square mile search for one of the drowned and his boat involving patrol planes, helicopters and three icebreakers. The inevitable lawsuits and legal bills will easily cost more than $6-million.


    Thirdly, millions are spent every year trying to counter bans on the importation of seal products. Our NAFTA partners and four European countries have imposed bans. Four countries have announced intentions to do so. Italy and Luxembourg have suspended imports. The European Parliament resolved to impose an EU-wide ban. The Council of Europe has called on its 46 members to do so.
    Canada has taken Holland and Belgium to the World Trade Organization in Geneva. Aside form being terribly expensive, it jeopardizes a relationship with two countries with which Canada has a trade surplus. $5.2-million of raw seal products constitutes less than 1/1,000 of what we export to Europe.


    The DFO, since at least 2003, has been flying high-level delegations to Europe to argue against the bans. Last year, there were at least six such junkets. For example, on March 27, 2007, a 17-person delegation was dispatched to the British Parliament for a meeting attended by only five British MPs. Last month, seven Canadians, including Loyola Sullivan, ambassador for fisheries

    conservation, the Premier of Nunavut and a Newfoundland Cabinet minister flew to four European capitals for a week.


    Unfortunately, they seem to use a travel agent who excels at finding the most expensive fares available. When Mr. Sullivan flew on seal business to five European capitals this January, the airfare alone was $10,270.80. The DFO's Kevin Stringer flew to Paris for $4,459.65 on Sept. 5, 2007. Of course, this is nothing compared with the $16,025.25 spent on airfare to Australia and New Zealand by the DFO's director general of economic analysis whom I wish would do an economic analysis of his own expense accounts. With hotels, wines, meals and support staff, this adds up.


    They have as much chance of stemming this tide as Germany did of stopping the Allies after D Day. The battle is lost. But because of ideological fanaticism they keep fighting, secure in the delusion that the Canadian taxpayer, like the cod, is an inexhaustible resource that will forever fund this foolishness that only benefits the high-end European tourism industry.


    Fourthly, there is the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) led boycott that is largely responsible for the inflation adjusted $465-million drop in the value of Canadian exports of snow crabs the main seafood export to the United States from Canada's sealing provinces since April, 2005. The value of 2007 snow crab exports is 44% lower than it was in 2004, the year prior to the boycott.


    HSUS has to date persuaded almost 3,600 U.S. businesses to participate, including heavy hitters Publix (annual sales $24-billion), Whole Foods ($7-billion), WinCo Foods, Lowe's Foods, Harris Teeter ($3-billion each) and smaller, seafood-driven ones like Legal Sea Foods ($400-million). Sealing creates less than 1% of the value of the sealing provinces' fishery. Sacrifice 99% for the sake of 1%. Now there's a business plan!


    Finally, there is the cost of the DFO seal-hunt bureaucracy, which alone has to cost more than the sealers earn: license issuers, accountants, typists, file clerks, inspectors, quota setters, regulation drafters, scientists, statisticians, economic analysts, speech writers, media relations officers, anti-boycott propagandists, writers of replies to angry letters, arrangers of tours of European journalists (when the seal hunt is not taking place), all in the service of what DFO says is 5,000 to 6,000 (more like 2,000, I believe) people averaging $1,000 a year from killing 275,000 seals. There is a conflict of interest in the DFO having jurisdiction over the Coast Guard. If it were controlled by the Minister of Defence, he'd immediately see that for what he is spending on the seal hunt, he could outfit an artillery regiment.


    Enough already. This is a colossal waste of taxpayers' money. And the sealers? Sealers should prefer these monies be used to train them for jobs in the 21st-century economy, rather than to preserve them as relics of a hunter/gatherer one.

    Financial Post
    Murray Teitel is a Toronto lawyer and journalist.

  • Topcat
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    Anon, you have to remember that the seals are defenseless. This is a little different situation from moose, deer, and the like. These animals have a vast array of defenses against Andrew and the high powered rifle he most likely owns.

    I would describe any animal or living creature defenseless against the wide array of weapons at man's disposal.

    There's not one living creature - including man himself - that is not defenseless against man. Suggesting otherwise is ludicrous.

    Maybe they ougta rethink banning the use of hakapiks by seal hunters. Perhaps they should make hunters of all animals use them as a weapon instead of the weapon they currrently use.

    This practice would certainly reduce the number of animals killed each year by hunters. It would also certainly reduce the number of hunters.

  • Jane
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    Art. Time to give up drinking for this night..........I'm against seal hunting but I never in reading anything on here or saw anyone as ignorant as you are. What's that QC your sporting behind your name stand for? You couldn't possibly be a lawyer, you seriously need to go back to school to take some lessons in how not to be so obnoxious.

    A man is dead, have some respect.

  • Alphonsus
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    Could someone tell me if there are five million seals now. Without the seal hunt how many will there be added to that number each year.

  • Jane
    July 01, 2010 - 19:55

    Did you notice that anyone writing in from away uses their full name. Yet the pro-sealers on here use the weirdest names they can think up. Aspen-tree, topcat, funkey-monkey why don't you people use your real name or are you afraid you might be identified somehow.
    It's pretty safe to shoot off you mouth when you can hide behind a cloak of total anominmity. No fear of anyone looking you up on Facebook eh.

  • Robert
    July 01, 2010 - 19:55

    Alphonsus: yes, if the seal hunt stopped there would be more seals eating all the precious cod the trawlers didn't manage to catch. What are you going to 'cull' when the seals are gone? Coyotes? Wonder what coyote paw pie tastes like...

  • Stan
    July 01, 2010 - 19:54

    and you ontario people have no arguments to not mind your own buisness. you are not even here. you have to believe what you are told.

  • Tristan
    July 01, 2010 - 19:54

    Briget Curran from Halifax - Do you have any clue regarding the Seal Hunt or are you commenting with knowledge that you've gained from our McCarthy friends...

    Anyone who knows anything about Sealing knows that they don't club anymore...and it's a criminal offense to kill the whitcoats.

    Why don't you come down off your soapbox..and learn a little before you comment.

    Do you protest against natives who hunt all year round, and knowone says anything to them.

    Don't like seal but I bet you love chicken!..Did you know there heads get hauled into water with electric current to be killed.

    In the future, you may want to do your homework before commenting.

  • Steve
    July 01, 2010 - 19:54

    Bridget,

    stop spreading your false lies and propaganda. You said the following,

    ''look in the eyes of a defenceless baby seal and then stab her through the face with a hook and haul her across the ice while she screams and struggles''

    FACT - Killing baby seals was OUTLAWED, in other words, BANNED, ILLEGAL, STOPPED back in the 70's. IT NO LONGER HAPPENS. So why are saying such a thing?? Seems to me like someone has been douped by Paul Watson......

    Additionally, it is illegal to kill a seal mother that is nursing a baby seal.

    Bet you didn't know that did you? No, you were too busy watching soap operas and hanging on every word Paul Watson whispered into your ear.

    Get your facts straight before you decide to respond, otherwise keep your mouth shut as civilised human beings who know facts from lies don't want to hear what you have to say.

  • Jane
    July 01, 2010 - 19:53

    Yeah, that's my beef, defenseless. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. No teeth to bite your arse off. Just stay there while a thing you've never seen before hits you and knocks you senseless. Praire dogs win in the game of life.

    I thought you said last night it was all about the money.

    Goodnight I'm going to bed and hopefully dream that the seal hunt disappeared while I slept.

  • Linda
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    Linda, I do love your name. Yes, I will try to avoid cliches like that especially with someone as discerning as yourself here today. Would it surprise to learn that I lived in Newfoundland for many years? I love the people there. I still think they are the best in all Canada. Full stop. But I do not agree with the hunt. I assure you I do not consider myself better than you or anyone. Those are your words. But you need to ask yourself why you have such a visceral reaction to my posts. I want the hunt to end. It pains me to see people in Newfoundland or Canada for that matter smeared by all this. And for what? If you feel Newfoundland is getting a bad name as you intimate than you need to ask yourself why this might be. Maybe you need to do more to bring this hunt to an end.

  • Topcat
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    Something to chew on.

    For all those interested in enjoying a succulent meal of seal flippers: Corner Brooks largest, family owned, grocery chain will have seal flippers available this coming Saturday.

    This chain has stores right across Newfoundland and they guarantee the flippers will be in all stores. There's no reason now for any Newfoundlander (or visitor to Newfoundland) to go much longer with one of our favorite meals.

    I can almost taste it now! - Can't wait much longer.

  • Jane
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    Cinnamon..at least those cute prairie dogs have a chance. They can go underground when they hear you coming and with 4 feet they can run faster than the average child. Also, they have teeth to take a chomp out of you if you hurt them. They probably have the sense to hide their young underground when they can't walk yet. So....no contest there. Prairie dogs have it good, I'd say.

  • Vera
    July 01, 2010 - 19:51

    The whole thing should be abandoned. What a disgrace. And we as taxpayers are paying for all this. The seal hunt smears the whole country, just for a few lousy votes. Incredible.

  • BeenThereDoneThat
    July 01, 2010 - 19:51

    To Art Stone. First of all I doubt if you are from the U.S., as Americans do not refer to their country as the 'states'.

    In your second comment you say you're a (profesional Rugby player from Bath, England)( professional has 2 esses)

    Well, what is it Art. Are you a Yank or a Limey? Either one, you're an ignoramus, and I would venture a guess, that these 'big muscles' are between your ears. Remember, Art, there are a lot of people in Newfoundland, who could give you an attitude adjustment.

    You hide behind a cloak of anonymity, because, for all your 'big muscles, you don't have the guts to identify yourself.

    And to Linda from BC, and Bridget Curran from Halifax. May your tampon grow roots

  • Barbara
    July 01, 2010 - 19:50

    Linda from BC Based on how many times you were here today its obvious you have no life at all you miserable ill informed old bag.

  • ANON
    July 01, 2010 - 19:50

    Tanya after reading my commentary with the Capitalization process, I think I should have used the correct method of mainly lower case. It is not only correct but easier to read.

    But please Tanya keep telling your fellow Newfoundlanders and Labradorians that everyone has to assist in getting back that what we lost, our human resource and our natural resources, that is if we want to create a vibrant Newfoundland and Labrador. We also have to be heard and we have to do something about being heard, we have to start a conversation and correspondence campaign.

    Everyone has to speak up and demand a fair and equal position for Newfoundland and Labrador in the Canadian Federation, and we have to put pressure on our politicians, both Federal and Provincial, that the province's resources must be processed in our province and that they must never ever be exported out of here again. I will reiterate, they must never again be shipped off to places like Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Ontario and Manitoba for refining and smelting, since that is where the economies and jobs are created in the processing sectors. And of course the spin off industries.

    In the future the only Newfoundlander and Labradorian who should have to move away for work or study should only be only the ones who want to.

    We have enough of everything existing in our own province to create an addition to the G8 series of countries, if we wanted to do something about it. The essential that was missing, was motivation, nobody was motivated and motivation is the main ingredient that will have to be put into the equation. We have to become animated enough to start the ball rolling.

    We have the resources and we have the location. We have everything that is needed to bake the cake that we are craving, and to bake it perfectly. Now we have to become focused on baking that cake and it is people like you and I who can get the ball rolling.

    Again we have lots of resources, and we have a location which is ideal,since we are centered half way from the heart of North America and half way from the heart of Europe, and once the North West Passage is opened up for shipping, we are in a straight line to China and all of Asia where the action will be for ever and a day.

    Let us join hands and make a difference. We are now living in the Information Technology area and our words can be spread instantly and simultaneously.

    Let us do it Tanya!

  • ANON
    July 01, 2010 - 19:50

    Tanya - You are so right in your thoughts and commenatry.

    Why Is It That Every Other Place On The Face Of This Earth Can Carry Out Their Traditional Industries, Like Hunting And Farming, Without Impedments Or Intrusions From The Rest Of The World?

    France can select the ducks and geese for its' foie gras' production' without repercussions, So Can Many Other Countries Get Off With Producing 'Veal'. And Now Dozens Of Other Countries Including Canada And The United States Have Included Both Of These Turtorous Industries To Their Lines Of Work, But Not A Peep Is Heard On The King Of Torture, The Foie Gras' Industry. Sure The Tobbacco Growing Industry Survived For Centuries And It Is Only On The Wane Now Because Everyone Is Dying From It, While Seal Meat Is An Omega 3 Oil Meat With Many Essentials Qualities And The Whole World Wants To Ban It. Stop The Production Of Some Other Animal Which Has Qualites Which Are Not As Healthy And Let Us Eat Sea Meat Instead.

    Why Is It That All Of Newfoundland and Labrador's Raw Resources Have To Be Exported To Some Other Province Of Canada To Create Economies And Thus Jobs.

    Tanya From Alberta PLEASE Spread The Word That If We Want It Any Different In Our Beloved Province Of Newfoundland And Labrador, We Have To Open Our Lip And Demand A Change In The Way Things Have Been Done.

    Ultimately We Are The Ones Who Have to Enact The Change.

    Tell All Your Friends In Alberta And Whereever To Speak Up Now.

    I Want To Thank You For Doing So, Let Us Start The Campaign Of Having Our Voices Heard.

    Tanya We Are One Of The Riches Piece Of Real Estate In Canada With More Than 17,000 Kilometers Of Coast Line On The Atlantic Ocean, But We Are Not Repeaping The Benefits.

    LET US BE HEARD TELLING OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY MEMBERS THAT WE ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO ENACT CHANGE.

    THANKS TANYA FOR WRITING YOUR COMMENTARY. IT IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAVE SEEN COMMENTARY WITH A MESSAGE AND A PLEA LIKE YOURS. I HOPE IT IS THE BEGINNING!

    LET US TELL THE WORLD THE STORY OF HOW NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR'S RESOURCES HAVE BEEN ABUSED AND RAPED AND ABUSED!

    SORRY FOR THE CAPITALIZATION, I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD BE HEARD A LITTLE LOUDER BY USING THEM!

    AND CREATION KNOWS WE NEED TO BE HEARD.

    AGAIN PLEASE KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK TANYA.

  • Topcat
    July 01, 2010 - 19:49

    Rugby - isn't that the sport where the players throw around a ball made out of a pig's bladder? As far as I can recall, the majority of the players wear cleats - you guessed it - made out of leather.

    Poor innocent little pigs were killed for your enjoyment old pal. I hope you can live with it.

    Talk about killing for sport!

  • Anon
    July 01, 2010 - 19:49

    IT IS A MUST READ AND NEVER FORGET THAT EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE IS NOT ONLY PAID TO FISHERS BUT TO FRUIT AND VEGETABLE FARMERS AS WELL. HERE IS THE PROOF.

    If you ever doubted whether FRUIT AND VEGETABLE farmers received Employment Insurance, PLEASE READ an article in todays Globe and Mail. It is SORDID.



    The article appears in the Globe and Mail on Page A3, Saturday, April 19, 2008 titled A bitter harvest for B.C. berry pickers.

    In a stinging 802 page ruling on an employment insurance scam, a federal Tax Court judge says widespread exploitation of Indo-Canadian berry pickers in fields outside Vancouver is reminiscent of scenes from John Steinbecks The Grapes of Wrath.

    A report on the berry and vegetable industry in British Columbia detail labour practices in the local farming industry, some people brought a work record to their EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE Office that would qualify them for employment insurance and not actually do the job. Some who worked but not long enough to qualify for employment insurance would PAY THE EMPLOYER a sum of money in exchange for a suitable working record, the court heard.

    Some berry pickers worked all season and the only reward for their labour was a WORK CARD with sufficient hours to entitle them to EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS.


    If you ever doubted whether FRUIT AND VEGETABLE farmers received Employment Insurance , PLEASE READ an article in todays Globe and Mail. It is SORDID.

    The article appears in the Globe and Mail on Page A3, Saturday, April 19, 2008 titled A bitter harvest for B.C. berry pickers.

    In a stinging 802 page ruling on an employment insurance scam, a federal Tax Court judge says widespread exploitation of Indo-Canadian berry pickers in fields outside Vancouver is reminiscent of scenes from John Steinbecks The Grapes of Wrath.

    A report on the berry and vegetable industry in British Columbia detail labor practices in the local farming industry, some some people brought a work record to the EI Office that would qualify them for employment insurance and not actually do the job. Some who worked but not long enough to qualify for employment insurance would PY THE EMPLOYER a sum of money in exchange for a sutiable working record, the court heard.

    Some vegetable and berry pickers worked all season and the only reward for their labour was a WORK CARD with sufficient hours to entitle them to EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS.

  • D
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    Bridget if you are an ethical vegan good for you, but don't condem the rest of the world if they can't afford the luxury of being able to live such a life style. You're lucky you live in Canada where this is a viable option, there isn't enough food in the world to support a vegan life style for everyone...don't forget your suplements, can't live without them.

    Some advise: Poorly planned vegan diets can be deficient in nutrients such as vitamin B12,vitamin D, calcium,iodine and omega-3 fatty acids.These deficiencies have potentially serious consequences, including anemia,rickets and cretinism in children, and osteomalacia and hypothyroidism in adults. From Wikipedia...

    As for support for a baby cat and baby dog hunt, if it puts money into the pockets of fishermen then its got my back. I've read that many cultures enjoy cat and dog meals, however its usually a last resort when nothing else is available, such as, fruit, vegitables, tofu, tempeh, soy milk, nuts, mushrooms??? etc.

    Can ethical vegans each mushrooms, technically its a living fungus. Burning those fungi alive in the frying pan, if only we could hear their cries...

  • Funky
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    Nice name Jane, I knew Jane couldn't be real, sounded to fake.

    I listen to all sides of the argument too. Just most of what is said on the anti-side is bs, and rehashed stereotypical nonsense used to insence unusually dimwitted people. Misinformation exists on the pro-side as well, just not as much. Not near as much.

    I don't think that's why you posted the piece from the Journal-Pioneer Euphemia, the lady of the talking trout, I think you read the first little bit and thought it was leaning more towards your side, and you didn't read it all.

  • Robert
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    I hink we should introduce elephant seals to newfoundland...give the macho seal hunters a real fight.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_seal

  • Aspen
    July 01, 2010 - 19:47

    You fools each and every mammal in the world are DEFENCELESS again a gun even humans. Before you all speak, think of what you are saying.

    How about the KANGAROO AND RABBITT HUNTS of Australia, those must be the largest slaughter of Land animals on the face of the earth, along with the PRAIRIE DOGS of North America? Nobody gives a hoot about those animals, because you wouldn't dare go against the Australians Hunters in their kangaroo and rabbit hunt, or the Americans and their desire to get rid of the pest known as, the pretty little prairie dogs, because they overgraze the American fields, circus grounds and farms, nor would you be able to wage a Money Rights Campaign annually on the image of these animals, not because they are not beautiful, but because the people whom you would have to go against are too aggressive for you, they wouldn't let you get to first base.

    Again - Every mammal, whether human or animal, on the face of the earth is DEFENCELESS when faced with the barrel of a GUN. Please use your brains before you speak.

    And please remember the people of the United States of America have more guns than any other country on the face of the earth.

  • Aspen
    July 01, 2010 - 19:47

    It seems like The Telegram has taken responsibility.

    Thanks and please monitor your commentary sites more often.

  • Cinnamon and
    July 01, 2010 - 19:47

    How about the millions of prairie dogs which get slaughtered every year in North America because people say they are responsible for overgrazing of lands.

    These, too, are beautiful animals but because they tear up farmers fields and borrow holes in the ground they are considered a pest.

    I watched the show called Little People awhile ago, and the gentleman who owned the amusement park/farm on that show was paying children to dispatch those poor creatures.

    It is a pastime in some communities go go out with their guns and bats and dispatched them as soon as they pop out of their burrows, it is really called a sport.

    I think prairie dogs are cute animals, but to most people they are pest.

  • Funky
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    The anti-side does the exact same thing Euphemia, the lady of the talking trout. Anti arguments are based soley on emotion...very few on actual facts.

    Did you know an IFAW member was invited to view the hunt in the 1970s or 80s I think it was by the Troke family from Twillingate (a well-known sealing family). He went and came back and wrote a report demonizing the actions by the sealers. The captain that had invited them out recieved a backlash from the sealers for allowing a protester to travel with them. Years later when the man died, the IFAW member came out and apologized for what he had done. He said he had actually been treated very well and said the hunt was actually done in a very tasteful and humane manner. HE HAD LIED.

    Do you also remember about two years ago the Humane Society of the United States released a list of restaurants and stores that had banned Canadian seafood because of the hunt? Now do you also remember that when contacted about why these businesses joined the list, most had no idea they were on it, and actually did not support the ban. Again MORE LIES.

    Paul Watson has said that if you don't know a fact, make it up on the spot.

    Are these actions the actions of people and groups that actually care about anything except themselves and their own pockets.

    But they are great in court of public opinion where the truth is not always important and they know this, admit this and exploit this.

    Did you know Euphemia, the lady of the talking trout that almost all of the donations these groups receive are from ill informed indivduals. A lot of times, older people on fixed incomes. Easy prey.

    Bridget Curren is a very creative writer, but I believe her accout as much as the story I wrote in elementary school about my trip to the moon to collect green cheese. Don't kid yourself, Bridget Curran is in it for the money.

    NFLders are my people too. Actually, the hunt staying or going doesn't bother me that much. I have no family or friends involved, but what irks me is the uneducated bashing of an industry that is environmentally sustainable, and economically viable for a number of people (small number it may be).

    You say the pro-side is nasty? Yeah, I'll admit some people are, but they are emotional. But you are extremely hypocritical when you say the anti-side is not. The anti-side spits venom at anyone opposing their views, and their arguments resort to the demonization of groups of people instead of using facts.

    You ignore the lies and obvious glaring selfishness of the leaders on the anti-side.

    Get your head out of the sand trout lady.

    I can't wait to hear your reply.

  • Bridget
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    Stan, people already pay big money to visit the pups in their nursery each spring. People said the same thing about whale watching - Whales are for killing not watching. Who in their right mind would want to watch whales? and look at it now. Multi-million dollar industry. You shouldn't be so quick to dismiss things - you should open your mind to new experiences and ideas.

    As for your question as to whether these guys enjoy not knowing if they'll return home, why do they keep going out there, then, when there are viable alternatives? There are alternatives to killing seals, and they consistently refuse to consider them, dismissing them out of hand as you have just done, without doing one ounce of research?

    Sealers have been quoted as saying they don't go out for the money but rather for the love of it and because they love it . They love inflicting agony on defenceles creatures a fraction of their own size. They should be ashamed.

    I'm not going to leave them alone . I've been out there and I've seen the brutality they intentionally inflict on those pups. I will not leave them alone until this disgusting industry is shut down for good and the government has implemented a license buyback program to ensure safer, profitable employment for those currently involved in the industry.

    D from NL, I don't eat chicken, steak or wear leather boots. I'm an ethical vegan. No hypocricy here. What about you? Would you be equally accepting of kittens and puppies being stabbed through the face with hooks and skinned alive as they scream?

    Steve and D from NL, killing whitecoats is banned, yes, but the moment they begin moulting - usually at 12 days - they can legally be killed. At that age they are not eating solid food, not swimming, not able to escape or defend themselves - are you trying to tell me you consider these pups to be ADULTS? You need to put away your DFO Book of Propaganda and actually do some real research.

    As for being duped by Paul Watson, I can assure you that I have been present at three seal slaughters so probably actually know more about the age of the pups killed and exactly how they are killed than you do, yourself.

    Steve, who said anything about killing nursing mothers? I think you need to put away the sexist references to soap operas and your bullboy posturing and start behaving like a grownup.

  • Rhonda
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    Brigitte curran,these hunters boats are made for this hunt,and if something happens to their boat it comes out of their own pockets...u and everybody else thats knows nothing about supporting their family's from a little island of a 100 people,the way of living to feed their children,what they shut down ur work or what ever u do if u do anything but flap ur lips to nothing u know about....thats whats wrong with this world,to many judgemental people,just talking about something they know nothing about,move to a place,like the magdalen islands or little islands in surrounding area's and see for ur self,u would not last a day because it's labour work,u might get ur hands dirty,so until u have walked in our shoes or our family's shoes....choose ur words wisely...im gonna have a programme on this subject on Blogtv.com live....i hope u attend,if u dare to hear an islander side of it.....Eastcoast_rose.......

  • Aspen
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    Rosa from Australia: It would be more appropriate for you to utilize your energy, if you want to protest the unnecessary slaughter of any animal and focus your protest on the humumgous slaughter of kangaroos in Australia. There are more than million kangaroos slaughtered each year in Australia. They are beautiful animals, but nobody cares in Austraila, since they are considered pests.

    These people make me sick, there are all kinds of animal kills in the World, Kangaroos, Prairie Dogs, Rabbits and many, many other yet these people decice to focus on the Seal because they say it is the cutest animal. I say it is because they found a people so gentle, Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, who didn't fight back and that is the sole reason why they got off with this scheme so many years ago which it is still continuing to bring millions of dollars to the Money Rights Groups.

    I would like to see Newfoundlanders and Labradorians rise up and speak up for their rights on everthing that is ailing them in this country and the world for once in their life. If they let people walk all over them, they will never survive in this agressive socieity.

    Newfoundlanders and Labradorians have lost too many resources, fish, hydroelecritity energy, minerals and oil by being too complacent. It is time for them to wake up!

  • Matt
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    You seal hunt people have no arguments to support the hunt. It is all emotion. The arguments here are sad but then so is the hunt.

  • Aspen
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    Last sentence in my post of 18/04/2008 at 9:46 AM should have read.....


    I am going to put the blame on The Telegram and hold them responsible.

  • Stan
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    glad to hear the sealers are safe

  • Mike
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    Linda from BC
    Do you know 30 million Canadians that are disgusted by the seal hunt? I'm from Ont. but have no problem. Please take me off your list of 30 million. I'm going to go have a veal sandwich now. You should go clean up east Vancouver.

  • Andrew
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    Hey ANON: When the sealers stop bashing in the heads of the baby seals so there's some left TO SEE we'll be up to spend some money in Newfoundland....not 'till then. And BY THE WAY...guns don't kill people, people kill people.
    Put your money where you mouth is fella...that's what we USA hunters and vets do down here!! Andrew

  • Matt
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    al from St. John's---No need to be sarcastic but then anger is typical with your side. Since you need to educate me and others about the cormorant then we can safely assume this issue is not splashed across the newspapers of the world at this time of the year as is the seal hunt. Why should I pay taxes to support a hunt that makes all Canadians look like barbarians?

  • Aspen
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    Ottawa needs to stop doling out quotas of fish to the European Union Countries and countries from the other Continents of the world on which it builds, no doubt, a lot of economic trade and external affairs clout.

    Then they can ban the seal hunt and the seals, the fish and the fishers who have adjacany to their fish stocks can live in harmony.

    Again Ottawa cannot afford to allow the whole World to come to the Grand Banks of Newfoundland and Labrador and subject undue pressure there. It needs to be stopped and then and only then will the fishers be able to make a viable living from their resource which is basically on their doorstep.

    Both Federal and OProvincial politicians have to stop exporting our raw natural resources from the province of Newfoundland and Labrador to create economies in the other provinces of Canada. The people of Newfoundland and Labrador have a right to make a living in their own province as well as the people of all of the other provinces in Canada.

    It is a known fact that the province of Newfoundland and Labrador was well endowed with great natural resources, both renewable and non-renewable and a location which can match that of any location in the world. The province is situated half-way between the center of North America and the European Continent. Now many places can boost those wonderful attributed. Now it is up to the governments of Ottawa and the province of Newfoundland and Labrador to get their acts together to do what is right.

  • Eugene
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    Methinks Art Stone from Montreal is a provocator (provocateur?). Glad to hear the crews are safe and sound!

  • Topcat
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    lol - That's the only place it's gonna happen. Pleasant dreams honey!

  • Topcat
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    Don't forget everyone. That grocery store chain (owned by a Corner Brook family) are gauranteeing they will have seal flippers at each one of their outlets on Saturday. Only one more sleep.

    We have to give some more thought to having thanksgiving day changed to late May. That way all Newfoundlanders can give thanks to the sea each year in timing with the seal hunt.

    No reason to kill all those force-fed turkeys for thanksgiving when all those seals are out there.

    Save the turkeys - Eat seal.

    Just can't wait for tomorrow.

  • al
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    Linda,

    The only name for an independent NL I can think of right now would be like the old Rolaids commerical. RELIEF

    The RELIEF would be that we would have control of our fishery instead of the dough heads in Ottawa taking care of it.

    The RELIEF would be that we have full control of our offshore oil revenues.

    The RELIEF would be that our vast good clean (you should like that Linda) hydro electric potential would be for the good of this province. We may even consider thowing central Canada a bone or two.

    The RELIEF would be our vast maineral resources would be mined when it is the best for this province (or independent country as you would prefer)

    And the last RELIEF would be that I won't have to listen to anyone west of Halifax who thinks he or she knows what is best for me!