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'The biggest concern is who ends up having these things'



Jason Patrick Loder's cache of homemade guns include a 1911-style pistol, an AK-M rifle, a German stem gun and a .22-calibre rifle. The 26-year-old made the pistol and sten gun, which is a submachine-gun. He motified the others to make them automatic. Joe Gibbons/The Telegram

Jason Patrick Loder's cache of homemade guns include a 1911-style pistol, an AK-M rifle, a German stem gun and a .22-calibre rifle. The 26-year-old made the pistol and sten gun, which is a submachine-gun. He motified the others to make them automatic.

Published on September 3rd, 2010
Published on September 3rd, 2010
Steve Bartlett RSS Feed
The Telegram

Ensure gun collections are legal, police say

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RCMP , The Telegram , Baird Place , March.He , Canada

With homemade, automatic weapons in front of him, Const. Chris Young  doesn’t understate the potential danger.

“These things can be devastating in the wrong hands,” the RCMP officer says.

The firearms on the table include a .22-calibre rifle and an AK-M (AK-47) rifle that were turned into automatic weapons.

Also laid out are a 1911-style pistol and a German submachine-gun. Both were handcrafted.

All four weapons are the handiwork of Jason Patrick Loder, who even engraved his surname into the pistol’s handle.

Loder is the 26-year-old gun lover who has pleaded guilty

to a number of charges, including  making an automatic weapon, unauthorized possession of a prohibited firearm, careless use of a firearm or ammunition, and possessing a weapon with ammunition.

His sentencing hearing took place at provincial court in St. John’s during two afternoons last week.

As the proceeding wrapped up Friday, Judge David Power said he wanted time to review the case and scheduled Nov. 5 as the day he’d hand down a sentence.

Police searched and found a cache of rifles and pistols in Loder’s Baird Place apartment just over a year ago after they learned of images he posted on www.canadiangunnutz.com and photobucket.com.

Many of the weapons were registered, but some were prohibited, including the ones on the table in front of Young.

Police described the cache as “frightening” at the time.

Loder, who has licences to own restricted and non-restricted firearms, admitted his guilt in March.

He has co-operated with police throughout the investigation.

He told the court he was an incurable collector and that making the weapons was the only way to have them in his collection.

Young is with the unit that busted the gun lover last August, the National Weapons Enforcement Support Team. It’s a joint unit between the RCMP and the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary in this province.

With the guns on display for The Telegram at RNC headquarters, Young says this isn’t the type of thing police see on a regular basis.

“A seizure like this comes along, maybe, once a year,” he says, adding police probably don’t know a lot of what’s out there.

Legal collecting

Young says there are a lot of people with firearm collections and the vast majority do things legally.

But because of the Internet, he says, the parts and instructions needed to make guns are readily available and there is always the potential for more homemade, illegal weapons to surface.

“You can go on the Internet these days and learn to make anything,” he says. “That you can find out how to make firearms is not surprising. But the biggest concern is who ends up having these things.”

Const. Jennifer Clarke, a media relations officer with the RNC, is also sitting in on the interview. If you collect guns, she says, make sure everything is registered.

“We don’t want to have to charge people with these things,” she says. “It’s a hobby and it can be quite rewarding — as long as everything is done legally and safely.”

Young believes there is a fine line between being a hobbyist and knowingly manufacturing automatic weapons.

He points out that one of the fully automated weapons in front of him was designed to be used in a World War.

“It has no purpose in today’s society,” he says.

The Mountie advises potential gun makers that some parts are illegal in Canada, as are some weapons they might make (the ones on the table, for instance).

He suggests that people interested in ordering a weapon or part should see if it’s legal before doing so by contacting police.

Ditto for anyone who thinks they may possess a weapon that could be prohibited. People might not have to surrender an illegal firearm, Young says. Sometimes it can be modified and made legal by a gun shop.

The Crown wants Loder to be sentenced to two years less a day and to be banned from possessing guns for life.

The defence is asking for a conditional sentence. They’re also requesting Loder’s mandatory firearm ban not last for life.

Power will likely decide the fate of the man’s homemade weapons, too.

Young says seized guns are often forfeited to the Crown and, if the police have no use for them, they are usually destroyed.

Loder’s case represents only the second time in Canada that someone has been charged with making an automatic weapon.

sbartlett@thetelegram.com

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    ThousandMaster
    - September 30th, 2010 at 11:21:49

    Ok, so the Sten guns and the others that are automatic are pretty bad. (why would you even make an automatic .22? To kill gopher attacks?) I could understand the AK and the Sten (damn, that thing's ugly) Why would they confiscate the 1911? it's not fully auto, and I think it's quite nice looking. All he had to do was stamp a number on it and register it as custom. Simple and free. Oh well, I hope a cop got it and registered it. No use letting it go to waste.

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    L.Szigety
    - September 12th, 2010 at 08:12:47

    From what I have gathered, this man had a valid Possession and Acquisitions License along with a number of legally registered firearms, many of which were indeed safely stored. the question that I feel needs to be asked here is what specifically is the attribute that an automatic firearm has that renders all the safety training required to get a gun license somehow null and void? If a man is already approved to be safe with one set of firearms, do the rules regarding safe use somehow change when dealing with any other firearms? Considering that there was no victim involved then by all means this can be seen as a paper crime if anything, that he did not have the requisite sheets of paper and laminated cards from the government. Apparently with more sheets of paper he would have been somehow more safe. As a point, the AK 47 as well as all of the rest of the guns listed in the proscribed prohibited class, including the semiautomatic variants, were all prohibited by Order-in-Council whereby according to Access to Information requests showed that all they did to decide on the specific firearms to be banned was to circle the scary looking ones out of a Guns Digest magazine. There was no serious oversight into the decisions and they were all emotionally made in reference to the people making the choices as to what ones would be banned and what ones not to be banned. As a result, the AK47 pictured, and all it's variants, is banned by name, but one can go and legally purchase a CZ858 semiautomatic gas operated rifle identical in caliber and operation to the AK47, only because it's name isn't on the proscribed list. If anyone is looking for rhyme or reason in regards to the logic of gun laws in this country, you won't find any.

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    JODY
    - September 9th, 2010 at 11:57:57

    OK for anyone who cares, a Sten is a WWII British made submachine gun, not German. It just bothers me when the media trys to be so factual but just ends up getting it so wrong. Makes me wonder what else they got wrong.

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    Schwenik
    - September 4th, 2010 at 10:17:08

    Oh, please! Had this been any other crime, you lot would have been calling for blood, but because he's a "gun enthusiast" we should hear him out and give him some leeway. Okay, what if he was Muslim? Right. And that’s why gun nuts are called "gun nuts."

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    M
    - September 3rd, 2010 at 11:50:07

    I don't think the accused comments are really relevant as he pleaded guilty to all the charges. I think it is a valid point that it really matters whose hands these weapons could end up in and that there is a difference between being an avid collector and knowingly handcrafting weapons. Also, if he was such an avid collector, then he knew that the weapons he was making were illegal. It is scary to think what could have happened if his home had been broken into - he had weapons that were not properly stored and he also had ammo for the weapons he made. I think that he should lose the right to possess a firearm for the rest of his life. There is a fine line between collector and fanatic and I'm pretty sure he's crossed it. Also, it baffles me as to why there is no explanation as to why he had licenses for restricted and non-restricted firearms. He's 26 and they have made no mention to a line of work or any other purpose that would explain it.

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      Andrew
      - September 3rd, 2010 at 13:33:12

      M, please take the time to understand what a restricted firearm is.. He is in trouble because he had prohibited firearms.

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    Interessting
    - September 3rd, 2010 at 11:46:47

    As a gun enthusiast myself, and having collected as well, the "ordinary" person would be astounded as to how easy; IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS; it is to make, modify, or alter almost MOST guns capable of auto load or rapid fire, to fully automatic.......and you truly don't have to access the INTERNET to glean the information...It is simply being attentive and analytical, of the parts replacement........The .22 rifle at the top is a classic example.....The Sten however is deadly in it's own right....don't drop a loaded Sten

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    Tim E. from Toronto
    - September 3rd, 2010 at 11:46:07

    Just wondering, Mick; would you apply that priniciple (i.e. long jail terms promoting more crime) to everyone charged with a crime, or are "avid gun collectors" an exception.

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    Mick
    - September 3rd, 2010 at 09:58:33

    Can we hear the accused's comments? Is he really a criminal or just an avid gun collector? 2 years less a day when a sexual offender of a 10 year old only gets 10 months? I think there is something seriously wrong with this picture. Maybe a fine & the guns confiscated & phohibition of owning a gun for a period of time would be sufficient. If this guy isn't a hardened criminal & we put him in jail, by the time he gets out he may become a hardened criminal.

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    darls
    - September 3rd, 2010 at 09:04:08

    The man pleads guilty and the judge will hand down his sentence NOV...5th...now thats what i call a speedy justice system.....

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