‘Things are getting out of hand’



Premier Danny Williams — Telegram photo

Premier Danny Williams

Published on November 18th, 2010
Published on November 18th, 2010
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The Telegram

Premier concerned by doctors’ rhetoric

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Newfoundland and Labrador Medical Association

Premier Danny Williams says inflammatory rhetoric from doctors has to stop.

Flanked by his finance and health ministers, he met with reporters Wednesday afternoon to respond to a comment made by the Newfoundland and Labrador Medical Association’s president during an interview after doctors met Tuesday night.

He quoted Dr. Patrick O’Shea as saying, “I think the public have to decide who they trust more, who they believe is telling the truth and what they can face in the future if one side or the other wins.”

Williams called it a serious situation when the medical association president is trying to pit physicians against the government on the basis of truth and winning.

“Things are getting out of hand. This can basically lead to anarchy, this kind of stuff,” he said.

Doctors and the province have been at odds over physician pay for months. The premier said it’s not about winning or losing for the government, that no one wins if there’s a protracted dispute.

He added the province is trying to spend health dollars wisely and there’s nothing personal against physicians.

“We’re not interested in pursuing this kind of a dialogue. We’re not interested in talking about trusting doctors. We all trust doctors. We all trust our own doctors, and any other doctors our families come in contact with. When it comes to people telling the truth, all we do is state the facts as they are.”

The government has been stating the medical association knew an wage agreement reached with pathologists and oncologists in 2008 was a one-off deal that wouldn’t be extended to all doctors.

On Monday, radiation oncologist Pradip Ganguly said he heard Rob Ritter, the association’s executive director, give the premier his word during a 2008 meeting that the deal wouldn’t be a precedent.

Ritter denied that Tuesday morning. O’Shea’s comments followed that evening.

“I don’t know if I’ve been accused of being a liar before, I don’t think so,” Williams said. “All I can say is I was in the room, as were 30-odd other people. Dr. Ganguly was in the room and what Dr. Ganguly is saying is accurate. That’s the best way I can put it.”

It was put to Williams that doctors might consider some of government’s actions inflammatory, such as the release of a specialist’s salary and the fact that doctor had taken on extra duties (tasks of which she’s been relieved).

He replied there’s been no intent to inflame anyone, that doctors’ salaries are readily available and, if a physician takes on extra work for extra pay, it’s a relevant detail.

Asked if it were time he met with O’Shea, Williams said he can’t respond to “somebody with this kind of an attitude” and that the doctors were constantly changing the ground rules.

The premier said the province has done what it can with its $81 million offer, and it can’t just give into physicians’ demands because they might reject what’s on the table and withdraw services.

“That’s not what we’re elected to do,” he said.

Contacted following Williams’ media scrum, the medical association said it was reserving comment.

The opposition Liberals were quick to respond, however.

Acting leader Kelvin Parsons said in a release the premier still hasn’t realized his approach with doctors isn’t working.

“It’s hard to believe that after 23 months of failed talks and a frustration level inside the medical profession that is leading to mass resignations that Premier Danny Williams still doesn’t realize that bullying the doctors is preventing a settlement,” he said. “The thousands of people who are dependent upon the doctors are tired of this brinksmanship approach and deserve better.”

He also wondered if Williams was suggesting physicians can’t be overworked for taking on extra roles.

“Is the premier suggesting that the several hundred members of Memorial University’s Faculty of Medicine give up their teaching posts or resign their clinical duties because they shouldn’t be performing both roles?” Parsons asked. “Because if that is the case, we’ll have that many more doctors to recruit to fill those positions.”

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    W McLean
    - November 21st, 2010 at 08:43:51

    Didn't things get out of hand when Joyce Hancock's name was used as a slur? Or when a striking union was the subject of false allegations? what about when a judge was accused of getting out on the wrong side of bed? or perhaps when ordinary citizens and oppostion members were called traitors? or it might have been when some people were told they should be shot over there. or maybe it was when the word Quebec and the French language were used as slurs. It's really hard to tell, all these years later, when things got out of hand. It's not hard to tell who got them out of hand, though.

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    Jason
    - November 19th, 2010 at 13:20:05

    Currently I am in Alberta, but I do keep up on the happenings back home. My only thought in this dispute is how much will it cost the government of Newfoundland and Labrador to start paying for patients to travel to other cities in Canada to get the care they need? If these doctors leave, the only option for many people in the province is to travel to Halifax, Toronto, Montreal, etc. to get the care they need. Although I am aware there is only so much money to spend, weigh in the alternative, which are the costs that will be incurred for patients who will need care outside of the province (ie. airfare, hotels, meals, ground transportation) and at the end of the day, you will still be paying for that doctor's fee in the other province which will probably be higher than what they are getting now. What are you really saving? There's no way around it, government is expected to provide services for its constituents, so pony up and keep them in the province, or incur higher costs outside the province. Pick your poison!!

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    Johnny
    - November 19th, 2010 at 10:16:59

    if someone offered you 25% raise in your salary tomorrow would you be upset? This is ridiculous - outside of government does anyone know what the person next them is making? Its a fact of life that ppl make different salaries for doing the same job. We all could make more money on the mainland - so stop the whining and move to the mainland if that's what they want. See how their quality of life is then. There will be something else to complain about next year. Lets do a poll of the doctors that are content and happy to be here and focus on them - as for the rest good luck on the mainland. Hope that works out..

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    Donna
    - November 18th, 2010 at 14:36:59

    This is not pennies we are talking about. 81 million to a select few physicians is an awful lot of money. THESE ARE OUR TAX DOLLARS, and if you want the government to throw more monies to this group, then you are definitely wrong. I would rather see this money going to other aspects of our health care, education, home heating rebate (or delete the HST off the heating costs) and use the money in places where ALL of us can take advantage of it.

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    Brenda
    - November 18th, 2010 at 11:29:41

    The scary thing here is these doctors all have other options. Its called taking a job somewhere else where they can be better compensated for the work they do. And if Williams continues to use bullying tactics rather than negotiation and reason that is exactly what will happen. There is a shortage of doctors across this country. I expect there will be a lot more resignations.

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    don
    - November 18th, 2010 at 11:29:23

    Rob said: you never thought it through. I agree with Rob. The little dictator has a habit of not thinking things through before he issues his orders to his cronies, remember, he ordered the expropriation of Abitibi assets including assets he did not actually want to take! It appears that Dictator Danny suffers from a serious case of acting before thinking the consequences through. I shudder to think what the ramifications of his latest action for the Muskrat Falls deal are going to be when the chickens come home to roost in 2025!

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    Paul
    - November 18th, 2010 at 11:28:26

    As a specialist in training in Ontario, I am dissapointed that the NLMA is not being more active in their campaign. It is an absolute fact that recruitment of new graduates will be virtually impossible for several reasons. 1: The toxic working environment that currently exists in Eastern Health due to too few clinicians doing too much work. 2: The toxic working conditions at Eastern Health due to the fact that clinicians get sub-par salaries compared to the rest of Canada and some of their colleagues. The NLMA should be highlighting this point. Finally, the CBC reported on the fact that Newfoundland Cabinet ministers are getting the highest salaries in the atlantic provinces. Why isn't the NLMA screaming this through a megaphone?? Newfoundland is not a poor province but no one is going to give you what you deserve unless you fight for it!

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    tom
    - November 18th, 2010 at 11:26:46

    What a joke. We have THE highest paid politicians, in Atlantic Canada, some cabinet ministers with high school education, garnering $142,000/year, yet a specialist, with 10 years education, is getting $185,000? And we don't want to put them on par with the rest of Atlantic Canada?? WHy is this even an issue? Pay them what they will get elsewhere... We have not been able to recruit at the Janeway and now we need 2 positions filled instead of one? Will Danny fly the kids who need treatment to Florida like himself or will they suffer? This is truly a joke. Hammering them because of the market rate - no other profession would work for that much less and I would hate to see the govt. employees put in more than 35 hours a week, much less 100 a week.

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    Rod Lyver
    - November 18th, 2010 at 11:25:24

    You have got to be kidding. Premier Williams must think that the people of this province are completely moronic to believe that coments made by the doctors will lead to anarchy. This is just more rhetoric from the master himself. We all know that at the end of the day all contracts are settled so stop the BS and get on with it. Chest puffing serves no purpose.

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    John
    - November 18th, 2010 at 11:24:19

    If the doctors want public backing, they are going about it the wrong way. I remember distinctly that various media covered the fact that this was a one time deal that Mr. Ritter made agreeing the pathologists and oncologists could be given a one-time deal due to the special interests called into play due to the Cameron Inquiry. In view of Dr. Gangguly's statement, Mr. Ritter should now be man enough to admit that "Yes I made a mistake by agreeing to that deal." It takes a big person to own up to his/her mistake. This would allow things to settle down by relieving the present poison attitude presently prevailing and then a deal could probably be made with doctors and government,

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    the butler did it
    - November 18th, 2010 at 08:02:24

    Maybe the Doc's should lower the Newfoundland flag....or drag out buddy the puffin....or storm out of a meeting crying like big babies.

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      Dave from Mt Pearl
      - November 18th, 2010 at 11:22:30

      Damn straight things are getting out of hand. The biggest reason for this is the government and their style of what they call collective bargaining. The public sector first experienced it when this government was first elected,can anyone say " until the cows come home ".This leader as good as he is for the province is a bully, he has no ability to negotiate as things have to be his way or his way.How many times have we seen him take his ball and go home.How many times have we heard him publically speak attacking anyone who does not follow his train of thought.As a group of the third highest paid provincial politicians in all of Canada and the highest paid in Atlantic Canada ,I cannot understand why they cannot see the problems within the system,the biggest one being recruitment.Recruitment problems are because of higher than average workloads,an unsupportive employer and lower wages than most places across Canada.I am a healthcare worker and I can see it everyday,the whole system is ready to implode upon itself.It has to be fixed and one way would be to pay parity.If a person works for Needs and is getting 12 dollars an hour they would think hard about going to Maries for 10 even if the conditions are so much better.Wake up Danny,save the province once again and be the hero. There is only so many people that can be and will be fooled by all this political BS that is spewing from the politicians,listen to the radio at them as they call the open line shows,they sound like fools.If money is the real problem why are the administration cost so high,why is the amount of dollars being paid out in overtime so high.A school kid could figure out that if you have to pay someone double to cover one shift wouldn't it be better to have two employees one to cover shift one to cover an employees day off.I myself would be very interested in seeing a comparision between actual payroll and overtime payroll paid out at my place of employment,hmmmm maybe a good job for John Noseworthy,hey what happened to him?He should do a forensic audit of Eastern Health.

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    Rob
    - November 18th, 2010 at 07:59:51

    I guess the old saying is true “People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”. Mr. Williams you and your minister started trying to pit the public against the doctors first with the release of their financial information. Now when they are playing your game it not right? I guess it is just like the huge raises you gave pathologists and oncologists in 2008 you never thought it through.

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