- December 17, 2010 - 02:27
Grandmother 0f six...Its great to get laws passed,now get someone to follow them.Our social services ,dealing with children,is very flawed.You only find out how bad when you are involved.I just shake my head and say What did we learn from that childs death?Good luck to all those who are dealing with children in care
- Jeannie Emerick
- December 16, 2010 - 22:10
The only thing greater than "judge welch's" stupidity is her overwhelming arrogance. She and Shirley Turner will make a good pair together in hell.
- December 16, 2010 - 21:35
Well, John, you may think that Mr. Andrews must have had his head stuck in the sand, but you know what he pulled it the hell out didn't he. This man, who I admit I did not vote for, has impressed the hell out of me since he was elected. You may think he did this for political gain, I really don't give a rat's ass. I did not see anyone else working so hard to get this bill passed. Way to go, Mr. Andrews. RIP, little Zachary, maybe this bill will make those responsible for protecting innocents like yourself, from placing them in imminent danger. And, Mr. and Mrs. Bagby, my heart goes out to you, who have lost so much. But you fought to make sure, hopefully, it would not happen to some other innocent.
- December 16, 2010 - 16:11
While I am happy to see a bill that should be common sense passed, I still think that the big picture is still unseen. Although bail reform was the first step, it's the CYFS Department that put Zachary in the hands of his mother. I have also watched watched "Dear Zachary" and although it is very informative of the circumstances surrounding the Turner case, it too fails to place a legitimate focus on CYFS and their involvement. It should be their responsibility to deny access to a parent who is facing serious charges just as much as a court should reserve the right to deny bail. I know the Turner Inquiry made a lot of changes to CYFS, but they still have a LONG way to go! If there were a case in the future where there was a loophole that prevented a bail denial, then there is the possibility that CYFS would let the accused have access to there the children. Kudos on the great start, but the buck doesn't stop with the justice system.
- December 16, 2010 - 13:32
About time! Since Zachary's murder, Newfoundland has had two other high-profile murder cases involving an accused and a victim who were (at one time) partners, and their child who could be left in the accused's care. This law will allow the Crown to request - and a judge to decree - that the accused be refused bail where a minor child is involved.
- December 16, 2010 - 11:49
This was a terrible tragedy and my heart goes out to Mr. and Mrs. Bagby. If that monster had not been a doctor, this would never have happened. Somewhere there is a social (s) worker who dropped the ball and was intimidated because of this murderer's title. What a shame.
- December 16, 2010 - 20:56
Jeremiah, I dont think it was a social worker who dropped the ball it was the justice system...is this not what this article and Bill C-464 is about, to enure that no one with a minor child will be allowed bail when charged with a serious crime, what has that got to do with a social worker... they dont make the laws
- December 16, 2010 - 11:04
While the intent of the bill is fine, I feel that it was wrong to pass it for political gain. If Mr. Andrews didn't know about this case until he saw a documentary on TV, he must have had his head stuck farther into the sand than I thought any body could - it was all the talk of radio call in shows, TV and print media at the time. If a Canadian visited the USA and tried to get a bill passes, they would rightly be told to butt out of their business. The Bagby's should have been told the same thing by Andrews about butting into our business. All I see is a politican trying to make brownie points with his constituents.
- February 16, 2013 - 07:44
You sir, are nothing short of a moron. If Canadian law actually protected victims there would be no need for outside influence. Come to think of it, it's people like you that protects these nut jobs from justice on principle. You should be ashamed for making such an insensitive comment.
- December 16, 2010 - 10:17
When the message gets to the provincial courts via carrier pegeon taking a couple of months according to the article they can get computers and be able to communicate this faster, so in the future more cases don't slip through the systems while the judges are standing with their windows open waiting for carrier pigeons to deliver new laws to the lower courts of the land.
- mother of two
- December 16, 2010 - 08:56
congradulations!!! I do agree that if up for murder, a thought of bail should never cross the mind. This is an incident that could have been prevented and a little boy would have been able to enjoy life but because of our system that life never had a chance. Hopefully with this new law many young lives will get the chance and not be taken away like Zachary Turner's was. God bless and again, I congradulate your hard state of mind and your strength to make this happen
- Violet Holmes
- December 16, 2010 - 08:33
Thank God, for the passing of this very important 'Bill.' Hopfully, any other child shall never be caught up in previous circumstances!!
- December 16, 2010 - 07:59
About time.. there are too many people out there who slip through the system and things like this happen. I commend the Bagbys for all their hard work and dedication to making sure that what happened to their precious grandson does not happen to anyone else.
- liz chipp
- December 16, 2010 - 07:59
Good that the Bill is passed, but the reporting leaves something out. We still don't know what the Bill, or resulting law entails. All we know is "this law enacted and a judge at that time will deny bail because of this provision." It seems that the point of the story is that Scott Andrews got a Bill passed. Maybe I am looking for more in this story then I should be.