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  • bill
    June 01, 2011 - 07:56

    I thought any former Premier/politician was not allowed to be soliciting money from the government until they were out of government for 1 year. I would love to have an AHL team in NL but this seems like a person saying, i did so much for the province that i deserve a few perks. It would have been better if Danny Williams stayed out of the picture altogether. If this $500,000 is the deal breaker than it wasnt much of a deal to start with.

  • Don
    June 01, 2011 - 07:49

    Its coming.I CAN FEEL IT. St johns Sports and Entertainment wants it-Danny wants it- People want it-and most important Winnipeg NHL team wants it. Its coming . Season tickets here i come.

  • John
    June 01, 2011 - 02:54

    get a grip on yourselves, this place always is good for a laugh!

  • Al
    May 31, 2011 - 22:15

    Easy, Prov $$ for Professional hockey = no vote for PC in next election and no PC sign for my lawn this fall. Also, Bill from Bay Bulls, how do you get a World Junior Championship without a local Major Junior Team, for heavens sake if ST. John's were such a great hockey market how come Memorial University dosen't have a team in the AUAA, how about travel $$ for student athletes?

  • ClydeC
    May 31, 2011 - 21:06

    Why not sell the naming rights of Mile One to Fortis for $500,000 a year and call it Fortis place. That solves your travel cost problem right there.

  • Jean
    May 31, 2011 - 21:04

    I wonder if our Premier whom we employ reads these reviews...Our votes count!! And there are a lot more for then against...Throwing away this opportunity in conjunction with Muskrat Falls....slippery slope. You don't have to have a business degree to see this will be great for the "whole" province...

  • Joseph McGrath
    May 31, 2011 - 20:23

    This could be great for the city and the province. For me personally I will not buy a ticket or go to a game unless I am lucky enough to win one on a radio or tv contest . But, sounds like this is going to happen and I am happy for those that are chomping at the bit to go watch and hope the team is successful. Will there be a senior's priced ticket once in a while or a senior's discount on the hockey tickets?Just asking as pensioner's have had no raise in over 20 years.The wife is busy now making our baloney sandwich as part of our nightly 2 course meal.Second portion of nightly meal is a cup of tea using one teatley tea bag between us.Shucks I wish I was young once more.

  • chops sr
    May 31, 2011 - 19:27

    I f the gov't is not interested in putting any money into this economic venture, I hope we won't see any of there faces on opening night. To the nay sayers that don't want there tax money going into professional sports you might want to go see some of the sport facilities which your minor sports are played. Dare you go have a look.....You might change your mind. Most places are falling apart. Since there has been no hockey in this city for a few years now , drive around the streets and see how kids are playing road hockey, there not, some of them are in the mall buying grab bags form your local pill pusher, oh by the way, these are your kids! So keep your couple of dollars you might spend in taxes and for the rest of you see you OPENING NIGHT

  • Darrin
    May 31, 2011 - 19:06

    Ok enough about the Danny ordeal going on here and the hostility between Danny and the current administration. I personally don't love the guy....Did he have a backbone and stand up to the Fed's sure I'll give him that much but he didn't put the oil in the ground or have any influence on many of the things he capitalized on during his reign...not to mention the public sector strike and the rediculous comments he made toward the striking workers when his son was beat up on downtown. Forget the man is even involved. The pure economics of the deal is what I'm looking at. So NL has a population of roughly 500,000. The subsidy would be $500,000 per year. In case anyone really has a critical problem with math it would cost the people of this province roughly $1 each per year. When someone comes knocking on my door for fundraising no matter the cause I usually offer some support. Don't try to sell me this crap about it being the taxpayers money and taxpayers have bigger things to worry about than a hockey team. Look at the taxes us tax payers provide to the province. $1 for something that's actually benefiting the province in terms of tax revenue, increased tourism, increased business throughout the hospitality sector, extra sales and money to be spent on things here in the province and the jobs a steady tennant of Mile One would provide alone would be enough but then you have to consider the entertainment side of it. Then you look at the NHL players that made it to the Eastern and Western Conference finals.....3 of the 4 teams had players from NL. For many years scouting in NL was absolutely pathetic there have been many great players from the province that may have otherwise been recognized. Having an AHL team here would likely help other leagues and teams look harder at some of the local homegrown talent. So the tax payers it seems would be too upset by $500,000 annually in the eyes of the government but where was our chance to weigh in on money given to the Republic of Doyle? Not that it isn't a good show I'm sure people love it but what has more of a following here in the province hockey or Doyle? The money spent on Tourism each year that nobody is ever assured will pay for itself and a team that's salaries alone in taxes for the province would cover the oh so big subsidy. Easy math on this one ACCEPT!!!!! Stop pondering what to do with the Mile one center...same old story as it was with the Fog Devils. Anyone remember when the fog devils almost landed in the twin rinks because talks broke down over use of the multi million dollar hole we call Mile One? Now again a serious tennant generating real revenues for the empty building and the government is pushing them away. Maybe mentioning Danny's involvement had a place in this whole story. Maybe just maybe the current administration hates Danny that much the word was passed down to squash it without proper consideration.

  • Randy from the ROCK
    May 31, 2011 - 18:17

    Yes people it does make sence, but if we do it for one then we have to do it for others. What about curling, do we give them any money? What about our own local hockey, do we give them any money? The list goes on and on. Its a tough one.

  • nasty nate
    May 31, 2011 - 16:32

    Anything to grab a buck from the tax payers eh, Danno. Give it up, go to Florida where you belong.

  • James Somerton
    May 31, 2011 - 16:29

    here's a thought. Danny and/or his investors spring for the necessary cash, and then have the present Provincial government members and they're employees banned from all AHL preseason,regular season and playoffs. Then have they're pictures posted like wanted posters except read NOT WANTED. just a thought. Good Luck Danny and all the best with it.

  • Chris
    May 31, 2011 - 16:17

    Take The Danny and Kathy Factor and the HOCKEY factor as well as Townie/Baymen factor out of it and look at what the situation is. You have a private enterprise going to a provincial government and asking for a subsidy out of the public coffers. Do I agree with it absolutely not, however this has not been the first time that a private enterprise has gone to a provincial government and received a subsidy from the public coffers. When you look at the amount of money that the provincial government over the years has pumped into multi million dollar AMERICAN companies that come here and set up shop it is astounding (TelTech was one such company, and soon as their subsidy for their payroll tax was ended......they packed up house and left). That does not include well established companies in the province who are too cheap to pay full wages (they instead apply and get year after year wage subsidies to hire "x" amount of people at minimum wage. There are even local farmers here who take advantage of a wage subsidy program. So as you can see this is no different than any other private enterprise asking for subsidies from a provincial government.

  • chuck mckenna
    May 31, 2011 - 15:43

    hi to everybody out there on the rock from a winnipegger who just got back from the party downtown and at the forks here in the 'peg. a lot of us out here are keeping our fingers crossed that you can ink a deal which would bring the moose to canada's oldest city. every one i've spoken to here thinks that st john's would be a perfect fit for this hockey team and i know they would be very passionately supported by the hockey community and the fans in st john's and all over newfoundland. it would have been so nice for both cities to have had concurrent announcements today, but it'll be that much sweeter when you do open your hearts and your doors to the " moose." we're rooting for you. the whole country is. by the way, i don't know how wise it would be to name your new team " the moose" in a province where moose/car accidents are a daily fact of highway driving life. it might be kind of like naming our new team " the winnipeg ten months of winter and two months of road repair." how about " the newfoundland joey smallwoods" let's get a deal done guys and then let's all go out and grab a cold one.

  • chuck mckenna
    May 31, 2011 - 15:41

    hi to everybody out there on the rock from a winnipegger who just got back from the party downtown and at the forks here in the 'peg. a lot of us out here are keeping our fingers crossed that you can ink a deal which would bring the moose to canada's oldest city. every one i've spoken to here thinks that st john's would be a perfect fit for this hockey team and i know they would be very passionately supported by the hockey community and the fans in st john's and all over newfoundland. it would have been so nice for both cities to have had concurrent announcements today, but it'll be that much sweeter when you do open your hearts and your doors to the " moose." we're rooting for you. the whole country is. by the way, i don't know how wise it would be to name your new team " the moose" in a province where moose/car accidents are a daily fact of highway driving life. it might be kind of like naming our new team " the winnipeg ten months of winter and two months of road repair." how about " the newfoundland joey smallwoods" let's get a deal done guys and then let's all go out and grab a cold one.

  • Bill, From Bay Bulls
    May 31, 2011 - 15:41

    People, this goes beyond just having AHL hockey back in St John's. This is also a stepping stone in having other major sporting events such as NHL pre-season games and major tournaments such as the mens or womens IIHF World championships, shared with another city such as Halifax did with Quebec city. Christ, you could land the World Junior championships, if we put our mind to it, but we must be looked at as a city that supports hockey and major sports in general. This won't happen if we don't get a franchise here. We can have all the local hockey we want played down at Mile One but if we don't jump onboard with a major sporting brand we can kiss all of this good bye. I lived in Halifax for 20 yrs while serving in the NAVY and I had season tickets for the Mooseheads when they moved in and with that I was able to see the Memorial Cup, World Juniors, Mens and Womens Worlds Championships and other major sporting events. I am sure that anybody that has been to these events can say that they are very lucrative events for the city business owners and the surrounding area. This is the kind of mindset that all levels of Govt should have when deciding if money should be spent only on Amature sport. Like one of the other readers said, "this could put us on the map". If Danny and his friends are successful in bringing a franchise here I will be getting season tickets to what ever we call them.

  • MM
    May 31, 2011 - 15:31

    Come on Danny! You can do this and maybe the province will knock get some sense knocked into them and will help you! We all want and need AHL back! GO LEAFS GO!

  • don gillis
    May 31, 2011 - 15:30

    being not a hockey fan, in any sense of the term, but having lived in many N(ewfoundland) Hockey League towns over my many years, I do not understand why the Gov won't support a AHL team coming into this province; yes, it is coming to towne, but really it will have over 1/2 million fan support. it is sport, and sport needs to be seen as valuable by our citizens, esp our government.... (I'm sure Danny could point out certain nefarious things that the government doth support). not to point out that the present ( non-elected ) premier needs all the bullets she can put into her six-gun for this coming fall's race. So, Ms. Premier, bite the bullet and listen to danny just one more time.... doing so may get you back in dat dere position.

  • chief
    May 31, 2011 - 15:06

    Danny , Keep working at it. don't let this one slip away. St.Johns needs the AHL, no other league will get the support. got to get ya Moose (Danny) boy. Once a Leader ,always a Leader. Go moose Go

  • Steve French
    May 31, 2011 - 15:06

    Some of the nay sayers are absolutely PATHETIC! Like the fool who wants his travel subsidized so he can go to bars. Little wonder we are still a joke in Canada. This deal makes sense every way you look at it. I don't really care for Danny Williams much but the man has our best intentions in mind here and if some people are too small minded to see it, then I guess at the end of the day we don't deserve a team.

  • Brian
    May 31, 2011 - 14:59

    is Danny buying the Minnesota Viking's too ? :-)

  • Graham
    May 31, 2011 - 14:57

    Get your facts straight this is NOT a one time deal for 500 thousand dollars its an annual subsidy for the team. Its funny to see the Danny Cult still following his every move and blindly following like they always do. Drink the good cool-aid and it will help wash down the Moose droppings that Danny is feeding you.

    • William B
      May 31, 2011 - 15:56

      Graham, you might want to get your facts straight too. Ok, so it is an ongoing $500,000 per each season. That means an estimated $10,000,000 return to the province each seasons. So after 5 seasons the Government of NL hands over $2,500,000 total for an estimated return to the economy of $50,000,000. That means NL economy up $47,500,000. What about if you invest $500 each into something and get back $10000 each year? I bet you will pass that offer over won't you?

    • C.G.
      May 31, 2011 - 18:02

      I think your an idiot. It's people like you that make me hate this province. That man is the only reason this province has a future. He turned everything around and made us a half province something you apparently don't understand how big that is. The economy of this province is so good now and it will be for a very very very long time. Theres only one man to thank for that and it would of never happened without him! He will go down in history as the best premier ever in Newfoundland for what he did and how much he fought. Show some respect.

    • joe
      May 31, 2011 - 23:13

      Wow you really read this article well. It didnt say a one time $500k payment. Also you are nieve in your comments of a Danny Cult having anything to do with the vast support for this. Im sure if it was backed by someone other than Danny it would still get much of the same support. If you want to bash Danny go ahead. But by this comment you are basically saying Newfoundlanders are too dumb to think for themselves. That they dont really like AHL hockey, they are only saying that cause Danny is backing it. And I guess you also didnt read the part about the request being denied. Your bashing something thats already been shot down.There was no financing given to complain about, and there is obvious suppoort for a team here, so the only reason your complaining is that you dont like Danny. Guess you were too busy avoiding those moose dropings to read the article or to understand people enjoy hockey around here even if Danny wasent around.

  • rd
    May 31, 2011 - 14:52

    get er done danny!! you've done many good things for newfoundland, and this would be another thing to add to this wonderful, growing province. hoping to see some hockey games soon!

  • Ryan
    May 31, 2011 - 14:44

    Its remarkable how many people say it makes good business sense to turn down the subsidy. How can you be so ignorant to the fact that there is so much tax revenue that the province will make (not the team or danny) that it makes sense for them to subsidize. You can use all the tax spin offs on all the roads and infrastructure you want. Really, its only $500,000 that will definitely turn a profit.

  • StJohnsMoose
    May 31, 2011 - 14:21

    Forget the politics, the bottom line is St John's is craving a hockey team. Look at the herder at Mile One it comes once a year and its sold out and thats senior hockey. Imagine and AHL team one level below the NHL the revenue would be great, the teams travelling here are paying for hotels, meals .. etc And with danny behind this the team should get great support. Just because Dunderdale dont know whats going on rejecting that deal. it seems to me it was quite a quick decision on her part and could cost her.

  • stop your complaining
    May 31, 2011 - 14:20

    Why doesn't danny put the money up himself? simple, its his money. You don't get to be where he is by making stupid business decisions. he may turn a profit from it...but good for him, wish it was me in that position. Doesn't change the fact that this would be excellent for our economy. Why should we pay 500,000 of our tax dollars for the team each year? Because we will get back several times as much from the revenue brought it by the team. Everything sold is TAXED. 8% goes right into newfoundlands pocket. And once 500,000 is returned on the investment....we have ourselves a free hockey team and every dollar made after that is gravy. Its a win for everyone. St. johns gets a hockey team, newfoundland gets paid, danny gets to be good again for the province while making a few dollars for himself (who wouldn't)...and dunderdale saves face and proves she's a grown up who is smart enough to be our premier.

    • BR
      May 31, 2011 - 17:11

      You say "And once 500,000 is returned on the investment". The problem is will it be? I have yet to see any numbers that shows it is a good investment. The numbers should not include the money I spend as I will spend it on something else and govt will still get the spinoff. It should be new money.

    • wayne moores
      May 31, 2011 - 20:29

      We had AHL teams in Halifax for years. The city got tired of being blackmailed for more and more subsides and concessions. Finally told them to kiss off and they went to Sydney and did the same thing. On top of that the hockey in that league is God aweful. They couldn't pay me to go see a game. As for the 8% tax, man you must be a fool. You are being bought with your own money. Virtually all ticket sales will be to Newfoundlanders. If they didn't spend it on a hockey game they would spend it somewhere's else and pay the same sales tax on other goods and services. The only way that works is if there are thousands of locals flying off to see AHL games somewhere else. I rather doubt that's the case. Also you just don't get it. Some of that 500 grand will go to subsidize the travel for the visiting team. Good luck with all that.

  • Chad
    May 31, 2011 - 14:11

    DUMBFOUNDED, I completely agree with you! Everyone acts like we are on welfare, with the economy here today thanks to oil and minerals there should be no problem with supporting it. Im a Mun student and I plan on buying season tickets along with a few of my friends. We can afford, therefore anyone can. People need to shut up and stop making the province look like a joke all the time.

  • Steve
    May 31, 2011 - 14:08

    In listening to open line this morning, a gentleman called in with a valid point. Many living outside St. John's don't feel that this is a good use of taxpayer money. Keep in mind that half or more of the population of this province lives in the St. John's/Mount Pearl/Paradise/CBS area, and we pay taxes just as those who live in smaller communities do. If you look at it, dollar for dollar, those living in smaller communities get a bigger bang for their buck taxwise. My tax money, and the taxes paid by all those in the greater St. John's area are paying for roads, schools and hospitals in smaller communities all over the province. And that's the way it should work... A $500,000 subsidy? I say pay it for one year, and by that time, the divisions will have been re-alligned and the travel subsidy won't be required (hopefully) for the second year, when the teams will all be in an Atlantic division...

    • dumbfounded
      May 31, 2011 - 14:38

      Steve, Get a grip...$500,000 is not a lot of money...it's chicken feed and would cost the tax payer very LITTLE...people need to learn the economics of this instead of looking at $500,000 as a very large sum of money but in the grand scheme of things and the money this venture would bring in, it's NOT....take a sport finance class and maybe you people would understand it all...come on Danny, bring the game back to NL!

  • Graham
    May 31, 2011 - 14:04

    Ok how about money to offset travel expenses for the NL Senior Hockey Teams. They are not getting paid hudreds of thousands of dollars a year in salary. Just because Danny thinks the PC Party owes him something dosent really mean they owe him anything at all. Just another Temper Tantrum Danny cry for attention.

    • dumbfounded
      May 31, 2011 - 14:41

      another danny hater...what is with everyone? ignore the fact it's danny williams wanting this JUST for a SECOND and get your head out of your *** long enough to realize this is a smart business venture regardless of who is at the helm..

    • Chris
      May 31, 2011 - 15:15

      Senior Hockey............the pee wee's can play better hockey than some of them. My mother is a die hard hockey fan both professional and local and you bloody well know its boring hockey when she gets up during the 2nd period of a Herder game and walk out of the arena.

    • W McLean
      May 31, 2011 - 15:25

      Just another Temper Tantrum Danny cry for attention. = = = Nothing Could Be Further From The Truth. It's a More-For-Me-Please Rant.

    • Chris
      May 31, 2011 - 16:16

      Hey Wallace McLean, I am sure if it was being used for some Heritage subsidy for YOUR part of St. John's you would be all over it.

  • C.G
    May 31, 2011 - 14:04

    Come on Danny! Get us the AHL back!

  • William B
    May 31, 2011 - 13:54

    It will be a sad day if we let this opportunity pass...

    • Edward K
      May 31, 2011 - 14:08

      Current premier says she only got one correspondence in favor of an AHL franchise coming to NL... I know I sent a lengthy email and her assistant respondent replied acknowledging receipt... I find it hard to believe the premier only got one email considering how many people want this franchise... and today I wrote a detailed point of view on my blog NL Matters... http://nlmatters.blogspot.com/

  • Kent
    May 31, 2011 - 13:50

    Hey Herb, I don't think the electorate could care less about the relationship between Williams and the present gov't. At best, their interest only extends to getting a bit of salacious gossip. I seriously doubt the electorate is going to vote Liberal once the election arrives. Danny is out of the picture now and the public is not going to shift their vote every time he has a tantrum over one of his private business deals. The man is now political history. Unless of course, he chooses to run again; and I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

  • trouty
    May 31, 2011 - 13:49

    Its commical the people saying why don't danny pay the 500000 the reason why is cause what benifit is that to Williams the spin off and millions why go to the goverment who rejected it the goverment would have all to gain if Danny did that,Danny should of said the team was a art or TV show. The goverment of given them 5 million

  • Sara
    May 31, 2011 - 13:49

    BRING ON THE TEAM!!! I can't wait to have hockey back!

  • dumbfounded
    May 31, 2011 - 13:45

    Make no wonder everyone on the mainland thinks Newfoundland is cheap...people aren't even willing to put forth a very SMALL amount of money to bring a venture to a city that would no doubtedly benefit. God you people need to stop acting like you're all on welfare...this would help put this province on the map

  • two cents worth
    May 31, 2011 - 13:34

    this may fall on deaf ears, but, here goes: forget the politics...the personal biases...this story is about sport and what it will take to bring an AHL team to St.John's. Danny...give 'er oil bud...forget the naysayers...we will support it here in St.John's, even if none of the rest do...make it so...GO MOOSE GO!!!

  • J. Paul Walsh
    May 31, 2011 - 13:20

    This makes good sense for the City and the Province to be a partner in, as both will benefit. The City is on side. If the province had any sense it would be too. This is an investment for the province that will net it a positive return.

  • Mainlander
    May 31, 2011 - 13:13

    it doesn't matter if you like Danny or not the spin off from this team will be a lot more than the 500 000 they're asking for. It may not be 10 million but it will be very close. It's sad to think that the geriatrics running the prov. don't see this. it's a classic case of stupid newfie's.

  • james
    May 31, 2011 - 13:12

    in other words kiss his

  • james
    May 31, 2011 - 13:07

    if this is such a wonderful deal why can,t williams and company pay their own way

  • Jim Wells
    May 31, 2011 - 13:04

    Please people. This is a business and I would love for everyone stop the politics. Danny is trying to get a AHL team here like True North got a NHL team in Winnipeg. I will support this move. I don't care if it is Danny doing this or anyone else. St. John's needs a hockey at Mile and I do hope all parties involved see this a unique chance to get team back here. Put personal stuff aside and make this happen.

  • Mark
    May 31, 2011 - 13:02

    I'd like to have the government subsidize my travel. I don't need half a million. Just a couple thousand will do. I guarantee that there will be spinoffs, as I intend to go to bars and restaurants. Please advise which program Danny is applying under, so that I can apply too. Heck, I'll even agree to play a game of hockey once in a while if that's necessary.

  • Herb Morrison
    May 31, 2011 - 12:54

    Is the former premier and leader of the Progressive Conservative party attempting to send Premier Dunderdale a message? That message being: Danny Williams gave the Progressive Conservative Party good fortune, and Danny Williams can take it away? Perhaps the most formidable opponent faced by either the Progressive Conservative Party in general or Premier Kathy Dunderdale in particular, in the upcoming election, is not the opposition Liberals or the New Democrats. The greatest threat to the progressive Conservative Party and its leader during the upcoming campaign could very well be the spectre of former Premier Danny Williams. Firstly, although both the former and the current Premiers have denied that any rift exists between them, political observers beg to differ. Add to that the fact that the Provincial Government has refusal to provide a William’s backed group with a subsidy necessary to bring an AHL. Hockey team to St. John’s and this spells trouble for both the Premier and the Progressive Conservative Party. Because Danny Williams is in danger of losing nothing in this situation On the other hand, both Premier Dunderdale and the party she leads could conceivably stand to suffer adverse political repercussions should the personal popularity, which Danny Williams enjoyed during his ten year tenure as Premier of the Province, and continues to enjoy, translate into either an anything but Progressive Conservative campaign, or an anything but Dunderdale campaign during the upcoming Provincial election. Either way, both the Progressive Conservative Party and the Premier appear to be on shaky ground at the moment. However, the fact that Premier has stated that the main reason behind the Government’s refusal of the requested subsidy was the fact that not enough information was provided to Government. This leaves the door open for Danny Williams and his associates to submit a more acceptable to Government. In turn, the Government could then approve the new plan sparing itself both the wrath of Danny Williams and possible adverse political repercussions at the hands of some members of the electorate in the upcoming election. Interesting scenario?

    • Brian
      May 31, 2011 - 14:12

      Personally I think the AHL subsidy of $500,000 from the provincial government of Newfoundland and Labrador should be a no brainer. If we sit back for a moment and look at the whole picture of sports in Newfoundland we would see a growing trend of declining enrolment in organized sports such as hockey and baseball. I think for the small price we have to pay to bring a team to the province to once again inject a passion for hockey into the veins of young Newfoundlanders and Labradorians it would be well worth the risks. For young kids today having a team to look up to and follow in our home province and capital city would only encourage kids to become involved and stay involved in sports promoting healthier lifestyles and getting kids off of the couch and into arenas to watch games and join local minor hockey organizations. The benefits of subsidizing a local professional hockey team would far outweigh the drawbacks and tax payers need to take a look at the youth of today and think about the things that are going to keep these kids off the streets and out of trouble because their fate determines our future!

  • Graham
    May 31, 2011 - 12:51

    Get over yourself Danny and move on. Your not as important as you think. I don't want my tax dollars helping make your dream happen and helping add more millions to those you allready have. Want a team Danny? Use your own money not ours.

  • Dog
    May 31, 2011 - 12:51

    Get a Team by