Better get used to Ice Caps



Mile One Stadium in St. John’s. — Telegram file photo

Mile One Stadium in St. John’s. — Telegram file photo

Published on July 8, 2011
Published on July 8, 2011
Brendan McCarthy  RSS Feed
The Telegram
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American Hockey League , Winnipeg Jets , The Telegram , St. John's , Hartford , Prince Edward Island

For all of you who don’t like the nickname “Ice Caps” for the new St. John’s American Hockey League team, a bit of advice:

Better get used to it

A recent online poll on The Telegram website shows about two-thirds of respondents either didn't like "Ice Caps" or were lukewarm to the idea of attaching that moniker to the Winnipeg Jets' affiliate. However, there is nothing to indicate former premier Danny Williams, be backing off what was his first choice.

This is a case where Danny won't be governed by a referendum.

First and foremost, the name satisfies a fairly widespread yearning - and one almost certainly held by Williams - for the inclusion of 'Caps.' Secondly, the 'Ice' component will take care of any legal concerns over trademark infringement on the NHL's Washington Capitals.

There does appear to be a fallback position, as an internet domain name based on "St. John's Jets" was registered on behalf of the team a week ago. But with only about two-and-a-half months before the start of training camp, there isn't much time to start the process of branding this club.

Ice Caps it will be.

Here are couple of other considerations to back up that finding:

° It's Williams who has pledge millions of dollars to the venture and that should give him some dibs in name selection,

° It doesn't matter much what the team is called. It could be known as the St. John's Sculpins or the St. John's Slobby Squids and shouldn't affect attendance at Ice Caps' games at Mile One Centre. If anyone tells you otherwise, be assured they wouldn't have gone to games anyway - they were just looking for an excuse. Granted, the name choice it couild negatively affect the sale of jerseys, hats, banners, etc., but it must be assumed Williams has taken this into account.

"Ice Caps" wouldn't have been on any top 10 list I would have produced if asked for nickname suggestions. And the Tim Hortons connection is inescapable.

But it is not weird and not unexplainable, especially in a league that has a team based in the landlocked city of Hartford and called the Connecticut Whale. Not Whalers, but Whale.

And I can swallow "Ice Caps" better than some of the alternate offerings made online and elsewhere, especially "Newfie Bullets," which was the choice of the more than a few.

How can someone not see the inherent image problems with such a choice?

The fact fans are expressing some strong opinions in the matter is encouraging in a way. It shows they have taken sort of a non-monetary proprietary interest in a team that has yet to begin skating.

But in the long run, it is whatever tradition this team establishes that will provide the ultimate identification.

Take the parent Winnipeg Jets. They were so named, not because of any connection between Manitoba and planes. It also didn't have anything to do with the fact Bobby Hull, "The Golden Jet," was the team's first big star. It was because the team's original owner, Ben Haskin, was a fan of the New York pro football team of the same name.

The Hershey Bears, with what is probably the best-known brand in the entire AHL, got their name because the team owners, the Hershey chocolate folks, thought it would be a good way to promote their product. At first, they tried to have them called the Hershey B'ars, the dropped 'e' implying a sweet, double meaning. They eventually reintroduced the missing vowel because of criticism over what was seen as commercialism.

And the AHL's Milwaukee Admirals (one of two teams in the league with the nickname, Norfolk being the other), may have a naval officer for a logo, but there is no seafaring background to the original name selection. It was because the team's first owner had an appliance store and Admiral - refrigerators and such - constituted his chief line of goods.

So give it time. "Ice Caps" might grow on you and me, especially if the team has long-term success.

And anyway, as pointed out by more than a few folks, the team will be widely referred to as the "Caps" anyway.

The "Ice" will melt away and the chant at Mile One will be "Go Caps, go."

For those of you who paid particular attention to the crews in Monday's dragon boat race on Prince Edward Island featuring the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, that was defenceman and P.E.I. native Mark Flood seated directly behind William in the Prince's boat.

Flood, who played for the AHL's Manitoba Moose last season, was recently signed to a two-way contract by the Jets and is seen as a player who could very well become captain of the team in St. John's.

Flood wasn't the only professional hockey player in the race. Stanley Cup-winner Adam McQuaid, the Boston Bruins' defenceman from Cornwall, P.E.I., was in Katherine's crew.

Expect to see multiple introductions at the press conference next week in St. John's that will officially reveal Keith McCambridge as the new coach of the St. John's AHL team.

Two members of the club's training staff have also been hired.

Ian Cox, who worked with QMJHL's Halifax Mooseheads last season, will be the equipment manager, while Alain Chabbert, who had been an athletic therapist with the Q's Cape Breton Screaming Eagles, is also expected to move to the AHL.

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    Stephen Baker
    - July 30, 2011 at 10:16:40

    come on guys! Just be happy that there is a AHL team in St.Johns again i really like the name ice caps it could be worst names that you guys could call them.Remember that the city of St.Johns had 2 teams before this one the fog devils and the st johns maple leafs the reason why they left was because the city never supported them and remember its just a name get over it. AND SUPPORT THE ICE CAPS

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    Don Clark
    - July 18, 2011 at 09:42:34

    If all of the fans could agree to a name one hundred percent, than by all means tell Danny to take a hike. But since you can't, let Danny choose whatever names he wants whether you like it or not. After all, he is the chief investor. Of all of the new teams which have had contests for a name in any sport, very few names win with over fifty percent approval. Many new teams don't even get twenty five percent approval. Any name will do, whether Moose, Leafs, Jets, or Ice Caps.

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    Travis
    - July 11, 2011 at 10:16:30

    It's Danny's TEAM after all!! So he can call it what he want's. But expecting people to come out and support a team with such a bad name is another thing! Hopefully the people come out Danny! It won't be easy cheering in the stands for the Ice Cappuccino's. LOL. Have fun laughing at us again Main lander's.

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    Jets fan in Winnipeg
    - July 10, 2011 at 16:23:48

    Support the team or it will be gone. Don't embarrass our franchise and make us regret going back there. Not cool. -Jets fan in Winnipeg

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    nasty nate
    - July 9, 2011 at 13:16:46

    This team should last all of a season....... What a major FAIL right from the start.

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    Hockey Nut
    - July 9, 2011 at 13:16:38

    "East Coast Savages" sounds good!

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    Suzie
    - July 9, 2011 at 13:16:07

    You people here will never be satisfied. Who really cares what the name of the team is just be glad that Mr Williams, out of his own pocket paid for this team so you could have a place to go when you need to. Everyone wants the hockey team here but your all psssst off because of the name. Get real here.

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    TAXPAYER
    - July 9, 2011 at 13:15:57

    My biggest problem with the article is how the writer brings up teams like the Hershey Bears. Yeah, a lot of teams, especially in the AHL, have terrible names. That doesn't mean we need to be one of them. Danny, the majority of fans don't want this name. And even the ones who are okay with it aren't exactly thrilled by the idea, they just seem willing to put up with it. Just call them the Jets. It's not the most creative idea but it's still a good strong name for a hockey team. Ice Caps just sounds stupid. Hockey is hockey, so I will still go to the games, but I will not buy merchandise unless the name is changed to something more sensible that us fans actually support.

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    Charlie Cheeseman
    - July 9, 2011 at 13:15:21

    How about a name that combines what's driving our thriving economy, and uses NF as where the team is located. My suggestion is the "OILanders" (apologies to Labrador).

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    Robert
    - July 9, 2011 at 10:46:10

    I also thought of Tim Horton's the first time I heard this name, but upon more thought, I realized I was missing the actual meaning...St. John's ICE CAPades! It'll be great... Purple sequined jerseys, we can hire Dorothy Hamill and Scott Hamilton to do Play by play, maybe Barb Underhill to do color commentary. Doesn't matter what you call em... They'll be a crappy team playing in a crappy league. I won't be paying one cent to attand these games and before you all jump up and call me a non-hockey fan, know this: I was a 3 year season ticket holder with the St. John's Fog Devils, and a 5 year season ticket holder with the Cape Breton Oilers. Remember them? The team that won the Calder Cup in 1995? I even attended the Leafs games, when I needed a cure for insomnia. I've watched both leages and have made my choice...the same chioce all you "die-hard hockey fans" make every Christmas...Junior Hockey.

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      dave
      - July 10, 2011 at 16:34:20

      First of all, let me say that I think the team should be called st. John's jets. All of these comments about naming the team after the province Newfoundland & Labrador (whatever) seems very lame to me. It will be a St. John's based team. The Illinois Bulls just doesn't work for me, you know what I mean? As for the Ice Caps, it just sounds childish to me. Sure, I will go to a few games to check it out, but, you can forget the idea of merchandise sales. Danny, please go with St. John's Jets... I would wear that shirt with pride.

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    Jack
    - July 9, 2011 at 10:44:42

    Why not Blue Caps. Randy Piercy and other legends can be in the opening ceromonies, now there's class. How about it Danny.

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    Ken Jones
    - July 9, 2011 at 10:44:37

    I just came up with a brilliant idea , If you are that torn up and upset over the name the OWNER basically wants to call the team , get a bunch of you together on a facebook page , Chip in 20 or 30 thousand each , buy the team off Danny and put the name to a referendum........People it will be the ICECAPS and they will be known as the CAPS.....get over it , we have an AHL team , Now shaddup

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    anita
    - July 9, 2011 at 10:44:25

    personally, I do not like ice caps, whether it carries St. John's or newfoundland name in front of it or not. I think it should carry the parent clubs name--Jets. But saying that, It's Danny's team so he should rightfully so have final say.. I'm just glad the AHL is back.

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    Jacob
    - July 9, 2011 at 10:44:15

    I won't be buying an Icecap jersey and showing it off around Canada. I will be buying a Jets jersey instead.

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    St. John's Jets fan
    - July 8, 2011 at 16:28:20

    If this team is not called the St. John's Jets, it will be a shame. When Winnipeg made their 1st pick at the draft this year, they were sure to recognize their farm team and their fans in St. John's NL. Enough with the stupid gimmicky names, call the team the Jets and show the parent team our loyalty, just like they showed their loyalty to St. John's at the draft. How many kids in this province will grow up to be Winnipeg Jets fans if they call the team the St. John's Jets?Go Jets Go!

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      Steve Roberts
      - July 9, 2011 at 13:17:18

      One thing about St. John's Jets. This team will be owned by Danny Williams after the first year from my understanding. Let us assume after 3 years Danny has built the brand Jets much like True North did with the Moose and then Winnipeg decides to move their prospects elsewhere. Ok, so Danny stil owns the AHL team, St. John's Jets. Now Danny has to go after another NHL team to move their prospects to St. John's. Ok, so he get the Chicago Blackhawks prospects. Obviously the name St. John's Jets will not work. So he has to start a new brand again from scratch and that also means we, the fans, will toss the jerseys and merchandise from the St. John's Jets aside and then purchase new gear. Get a name that is not the Jets nor any other NHL team (such as IceCaps) and then if Winnipeg prospects move then the new prospects can still be IceCaps and brand is still there.

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    GiddeyUp
    - July 8, 2011 at 16:05:30

    Since the parent team is the JETS, I think our team should be the SEA JETS ! Time for Danny to get over the CAP thing ... those days are gone ...

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    HockeyWidow
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:55:16

    Honestly, Fog Devils wasn't much better. I'm just glad to see a team here.

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    Jammers Five
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:55:07

    Oh my god what a STUPID name. I may go to the game but I will REFUSE to wear anything with that name on it, This will be a merchandising NIGHTMARE if they follow thru with it! Danny PICK ANOTHER NAME QUICK!!!! *cough* JETS *cough* j5

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    R.B.
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:43:09

    Why not "White Caps". It seems obvious. White Caps are everywhere in NL. Whereas Ice caps just sounds silly and exactly like the Tim Horton's product (which are likely also everywhere in NL, but only for part of the year :).

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    Urked
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:41:56

    I have a problem with people saying to accept it and the ones complaining aren't real fans. I'M A DIE HARD HOCKEY FAN and I don't like the name Icecaps, NO it WON'T affect me attending games but that doesn't mean i have to like the name. Merchandise wise, it'll hurt the team I think, is there something wrong with wanting a good name and one that will sell lots of merchandise at the same time????? Not too much to ask.

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    banane
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:41:27

    I wonder if Danny knows about these former IceCaps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh_IceCaps Not so original, it seems.

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    Steve Roberts
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:38:28

    I guess these clowns who do not know the difference between a Tim Horton's Iced Cappuccino and an IceCap should start lobbying MLSE in Toronto now. Did you know that the Toronto Maple Leafs and Maple Leaf Foods sounds alike?

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    Concerned Season Ticket Holder
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:38:13

    Danny.....for the love of god please don't call this team the IceCaps. I have all the respect in the wolrd for you with regards to bringing this AHL team to St. John's but please...you have to trust the professional folks up to M5 to help you name this team. There is no way they would agree with IceCaps. It sounds like a childrens TimBit hockey team. Similiar to the Boston Creams! Have some respect for the people buying tickets and listen to them! They don't want this team to be called the IceCaps.

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    trouty
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:36:45

    Call them St.John's please the goverment did nothing to bring hockey back so please no newfoundland in the name

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    Sam Shadey
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:33:53

    All joking aside Saucey face, I like your idea. It would be a great laugh! Players on the visiting teams would scared to death of being humiliated under a shower of Ice Cap Cups ... Yeah, I Iike it!

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    Steve
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:33:45

    I guess if we - the taxpayers - had kicked in a $500,000 per year subsidy the team would have been called the Newfoundland and Labrador Ice Caps ... yeah right give me a break! It is Danny's way or the highway as usual!

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    Daniel
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:28:20

    I think IceCaps is a great name.. at first I thought of tim hortons iced capps...but now its catching on to me considering they included the "Caps" which has lots of history in st.johns. and Ice considering out icey conditions....IceCaps is better than rockfords name (IceHogs)

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    PHILIP
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:28:08

    HEY,STOP PICKING ON DANNY AND TIM HORTON'S,ANYONE FOR COFFEE AND DOUGHNUT'S.

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    Johnny C
    - July 8, 2011 at 14:27:53

    I don't like Ice Caps-but it's still much better than Maple Leafs

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      CAPSMAN
      - July 8, 2011 at 16:27:59

      Greatest. Comment. Ever.

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      Don
      - July 9, 2011 at 10:45:12

      I really like the name. It's original and so Newfoundland.

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    Ovrdhl
    - July 8, 2011 at 12:02:42

    Personally, when I hear the team's name "The Icecaps" I don't think of Tim Horton's ... I think of the ocean, waves and white caps first... ice caps referring to the ice surface of course. I like the name

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      David
      - July 8, 2011 at 14:38:41

      Witch! This person doesn't think of Tim Horton's! Witch!

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    Washington Caps Fan
    - July 8, 2011 at 12:02:37

    Really? Caps? If so I suggest you also steal our chant "Let's Go Caps!" too. Much better than "Go Caps Go".

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      CAPSMAN
      - July 8, 2011 at 14:28:04

      St. John's Caps played hockey in this City before your beloved Capitals emerged in 1974. The St. John's Caps won the Herder Memorial Trophy in 1970. I suggest you do some research before posting on the Internet. GO CAPS GO!!!

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    Anon
    - July 8, 2011 at 12:02:03

    All I can think of is Tim Horton's. There has to be a better way!!

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    Saucy Face
    - July 8, 2011 at 12:01:53

    Well, look at it this way. In Detroit, fans throw octopusses on the ice. We can start a tradition of throwing empty Ice Cap Cups on the ice and while they pick them we can call them Tim Breaks! LOL

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    Terry
    - July 8, 2011 at 12:01:47

    Who Cares.... We got a team that all that matters!!! Go Whatever you call yourself Go!!!!!

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    Santo
    - July 8, 2011 at 12:01:36

    Oh, get a grip MOE ST.COOL... You're anything but cool. You too Paul. ICE - for our mighty Ice burgs CAPS - for the Capital city, and probably respect to the St. John's Capital team of time gone by. Very fitting. GO CAPS GO

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    Cozzie
    - July 8, 2011 at 12:00:19

    The BIG question is .... "NL Ice Caps" or "Saint John's Ice Caps"? If the NL moniker is chosen, this team might have a fighting chance with provincial swag sales...I would even consider buying a NL Ice Caps jersey, BUT...If it's St. John's Ice Caps....it will crash and burn a la Fog Devils and SJ Maple Leaves.

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      CAPSMAN
      - July 8, 2011 at 14:28:44

      The fact you think the St. John's Maple Leafs quote "crash(ed) and burn(ed)" renders anything you say irrelevant. The Leafs were successful here for 14 seasons until a new GM in Toronto decided unilaterally to move the team to Toronto. As for you suggestion of NL ICE CAPS.....Why should MY team be named for the rest of the island when the rest of the island didn't want their tax dollars going to support a hockey team in St. John's? Nevermind that the majority of the tax dollars this province generates come from the NE Avalon and are used to develop roads, sewers for the rest of you.

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    Skipper
    - July 8, 2011 at 11:59:33

    However, there is nothing to indicate former premier Danny Williams, be backing off what was his first choice. ===== B'y sher Danny always be doin what danny wants ta be doin

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    CAPSMAN
    - July 8, 2011 at 11:59:21

    Get over it... the man is putting up millions of his own money to bring the team here. He has every right to go with a name he likes.

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      David
      - July 8, 2011 at 14:39:18

      Forget the somewhat more complicated concept of "discretionary consumer spending", you haven't even got the term "revenue" completely down yet, have you?

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    Ken Jones
    - July 8, 2011 at 11:52:26

    A lot of you you sound like spoiled kids on Christmas morning , I wanted an AHL team but not THAT AHL team.......well cowboy up , and why are people crapping on Danny getting his own way , there would not even be a team here if not for him ,he sunk his money into it and should call it what he likes and as for the Tim Hortons connection , most of the teams in the league don't even know what a Tim Hortons is so problem solved , like the author said , we all know deep down inside the team will be called THE CAPS, so my little friends , time to grow up , IceCaps it shall be and thanks to Danny we are the only ATlantic province to even have an AHL franchise .........my bet is that morst of the people who hate the name are casual fans at best , most hardcore fans ae not going to be let the name affect their attendance....This fan won't anyway

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    NewfieB
    - July 8, 2011 at 11:44:50

    Don't like Ice Caps and that won't change because we are told to get used to it. From a marketing point of view, you'd think Danny would realize with so many people against the name and a strong connotation with Tim Horton’s, sales of merchandise will suffer. Better to go with Jets or with one of the other widely popular names suggested on internet sites. My personal fav. is Growlers….Danny making people accept a name is not the right way to do it.

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    Charlie
    - July 8, 2011 at 11:42:41

    Yes it sounds alot like Tim Hortons Ice(D) Cap(P)s... ya thats right, not even spelled the same way. Nor are the two connected. Caps is short for Capitals not Cappuccino. Ice because of legal reasons, our canadian winters (and summers some would say) Not to mention the two together creates teh word IceCaps... when you hear about the melting polar icecaps do you immediately think about Tim Hortons???? .....no didn't think so. We should only be concerned about having our team back. Name or not, just come out and support

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    darren
    - July 8, 2011 at 10:22:38

    I have no problem with Ice Caps, it is a new team for the city (and province) therefore a new name. I heard a lot of people saying they don't like, well that is okay, but the owner picks the name. It is not the same as the Winnipeg Jets situation. I also heard that some people are going to wear their old leafs jerseys, losers!

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      David
      - July 8, 2011 at 11:46:20

      .....I also heard that some people are going to wear their old leafs jerseys, losers!...... Yeah...losers! Because if you don't yield your mind to to the mob and do like Danny wants, you're not a real Newfoundlander! GO [insert decreed name of team we unquestionably and blindly support] GO!

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    don
    - July 8, 2011 at 10:21:49

    Ice caps fine with me Great name actually. When i first heard it i didn't think at all of tim hortons. I know they have a drink named something like that but come on how often do you hear that. I believe most who object are probably not hockey fans but just whiners anyway GO CAPS.

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    TAXPAYER
    - July 8, 2011 at 10:21:39

    I hope these guys come to their senses and just call the team the Jets. That's what the crowd in Winnipeg ended up doing, so learn from them. The fans just don't want our team to be called Ice Caps, it's as simple as that.

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    Frank
    - July 8, 2011 at 10:11:19

    "Better get used to Ice Caps"... because Danny says so.

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      Mary
      - July 8, 2011 at 14:38:53

      Forget about Tim Hortons, Newfoundland and Labrador had icebergs and white caps and ice floes, long before Tim Horton, his coffee and his doughnuts were even thought about. Ice Caps is a nice name, and if they're winners everyone will LOVE them, name and all.

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    Caps
    - July 8, 2011 at 10:11:15

    Ice Caps it is then. Move on. GO CAPS GO.

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    David
    - July 8, 2011 at 10:09:53

    Hey, could be worse...could have been the Maxi-Pads. Personally, I'd go with Hoovers...so on the road, fans could chant "Hoovers Suck!" See, that's entertainment.

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    Phoebe Tilley
    - July 8, 2011 at 10:09:41

    Temper Tantrum Danny gets his way again. Nothing new there. Thank God and Greyhound hes gone.

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      dumbfounded
      - July 8, 2011 at 12:01:27

      I'm pretty sure if you put up millions of dollars to lease a professional hockey team you'd want to name the team to your liking as well...get over it and quit with the danny bashing, it's getting old

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    moe st.cool
    - July 8, 2011 at 10:09:34

    WRONG! This name is abominable ! We will be the laughing stock of Canada. Part of me wonders if Danny has cooked up a promotional deal with Tims' to regain his investment. I will never ever support this team, and FYI , I did go to Gog Devils and Leaf's games a'plenty, but NO WAY if this team becomes the ICE CAP(PICINO)S.

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      Lost
      - July 8, 2011 at 12:02:32

      Gog Devils? Cappicino? I think you should use your spell check Mr Cool.

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      dumbfounded
      - July 8, 2011 at 12:01:23

      clearly you're not a hockey fan...pretty sure a stinkin name wouldn't keep true hockey fans from attending games.

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    Paul
    - July 8, 2011 at 10:09:04

    I personally associate" Icecaps: with the tons of Tim Hortons cups littering up our city ! For that reason i find this name unacceptable ! This is not an image that should be associated with a pro sports team !

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      David
      - July 8, 2011 at 12:10:43

      Ummmm...I guess you don't realize that, now that Danny's kicking and screaming show is cancelled, Canadians are quite aware of the laughing stock we are, being left in the political wasteland we're now in. So don't lose any sleep over the name of the next hockey team...honestly, no one else cares.

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