- Robert Hyman
- April 09, 2012 - 20:55
Great idea - wrong location for so many reasons. The Majestic? As a soup kitchen a hop, jump and skip away from George Street; and a short stroll from the Delta, Mile One, the Convention Ctr, ... And the mayor is thrilled with the idea! Of course, it will be a gorgeous addition to the already seedy (and getting seedier) downtown core. It's a good idea, in the wrong location; in terms of the value of the area and the attractiveness of downtown St. John's.
- April 08, 2012 - 12:48
I don't think anyone is disputing that is wonderful that the PAONL is opening up a soup kitchen in this venue. The issue is that they are leaving so many people in the lurch on their wedding bookings on very short notice. In my mind, I would think it would make financial sense for the church to honour this year's weddings which would provide it with substantial revenue to use for the soup kitchen. I think anything booked in 2013 is out of scope because there is more time to find another venue and invites likely have not been sent out. But for 2012, it is unreasonable to cancel on these people.
- Major A. Canning
- April 06, 2012 - 14:32
Looks like the Pentecostal Assemblies are off to a good start. Take heart guys, you're doing a great job despite what anyone says. If every corner of the downtown St John's has some sort of ministry at it all glory be to GOD!
- April 06, 2012 - 07:12
What we fail to realize is there are already three soup kitchens operating in the downtown area- The gathering Place/Jimmy Pratt Center and Hope Community Center operate 5 days a week with free breakfasts and hot lunches. There is a social worker and nurse available 5 days a week as well. Income tax is done FREE. The Pentecostal Church needs to check out whether the need they THINK is there is really there. personally, I think the three kitchens are handling things quite well. just think- if we give you a hot meal you have five dollars saved to buy whatever else. Use your imagination.
- Janice Godin
- April 05, 2012 - 23:40
It's kind of shocking to read the posts criticizing the couples effected by this. I had my wedding booked there for August and i'm lucky enough to have found a new venue but it's not just about me and my fiance. Our families have booked flights and made vacation plans. That's not selfish. Of course a soup kitchen would be great... No one disputes that. It's just a harsh situation that shouldn't have occured. We should have been warned. I can't imagine how people worh weddings set for the next few weeks feel.
- April 05, 2012 - 23:25
Pentecostals are doing an amazing job! Looking forward to a great change in our city. Now, if only the rest of the churches can cut the bull and focus on what's really important..........................this excitement makes me want to switch churches.......Hats off to the PAONL!
- April 05, 2012 - 23:12
It's incredible that the Pentecostal Assemblies of Newfoundland and Labrador has purchased this building to further minister to the downtown area, an area that is in desperate need of ministry. Firstly, I would like to throw the idea out there that this venue is probably not intended to be a soup kitchen only, or even at all. This is a huge facility that is far beyond capable of meeting the needs of the few less fortunate or homeless people in the downtown area. I doesn't make sense that such a smart body of people would purchase such a pricey facility for a soup kitchen while they already own a soup kitchen just a short distance away. However, no matter what the plans of the PAONL, I am sure their intention was not to cause inconvenience for couples preparing to for marriage. No doubt this is a huge disappointment, but it is a disappointment caused only by the management of the Majestic. From the reading of the article, the PAONL had no reason to suspect any such situation(s). Over the years, maybe, certain people or aspects of this denomination may have failed or in some way offended some of the below commenters, but can we hate a whole nation for the wrong doing of one leader? Pentecostals in our province are doing a great work and have made a lasting impact on our province, and maybe if my denomination and some other of the local denominations showed interest in the well-being and spiritual needs within our city and province we would begin to see a change.
- Tim Orsborn
- April 05, 2012 - 18:59
Legal Eagle - if you're out there pleas contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org Thanks
- SA Money Grab vs real Church ministry
- April 05, 2012 - 15:38
Lots of soup kitcchen and foodbanks in the downtown. The Catholic Church started up and controls Gathering Place and Emmaus House foodbank. The Salvation Army Church HAD a clothing bank on Waldergrave, but decided it was not making money and closed up. Then there are others Churches with their programs or help with other Church outreach to the poor. Doubt the Penetcostals will find any room. I say they will probally try ot set up a George Street Church. The Salvation Army Church does some street outreach, but it is only for like one hour on a Friday evening when ther are alot of rich people and donors out to dinner on Water Street a good 10 min walk from George Street so they can be seen with their lights flashing, weather permitting.
- April 05, 2012 - 14:40
I believe this article is focused on two things, that should be handled seperately. I am a bride that had a wedding planned for August at the Majestic, and while I am really excited for the new use for the location, and hope that it brings wonderful opportunities for those less fortunate in the area, I am disappointed with how thing we're handled with my booking. I contacted management at the Majestic in January when my sister read in the paper that the location was for sale, and I was assured that I had nothing to worry about, the venue would be available for my wedding. I heard through the grapevine on Tuesday that all bookings we're cancelled, and had to contact them myself for the news. I was offered one recommendation on a new location that was a stretch from what I had planned, and haven't heard from them since. There is also no mention in the contact that the venue could cancel for any reason. With 30 guest scheduled to fly in from Alberta for the wedding, I am fortunate to have found alternate arrangements, although our costs will be significantly higher. I guess my point is the new venture of the PAONL and the cancellation of countless events on short notice are mutually exclusive events, and should be commented on as such. Life goes on, and I wish the Penecostal Assemblies the best of luck in their new venture.
- April 05, 2012 - 14:26
Things are going to get a lot dirtier downtown with this addition. A soup kitchen sounds like a noble and fantastic idea, but it certainly won't add to the revitalization of the downtown core. This type of thing has happened in a number of other similar sized cities in Canada, and it has done nothing but deter the majority of citizens from wanting to venture into the area. A soup kitchen is something that'd needed, yes, but not in a busy downtown area.
- April 05, 2012 - 15:23
From my understanding Terry, this program has already been in place for a number of years in the paonl's downtown church..they've been leasing a building but were looking for something more permanent. It's a shame you feel that way, that people in need are an inconvience to the city or would tarnish the success of dt..in my opinion all people have value and a program reaching out and giving people a helping hand should be commended not discouraged. Dt is the perfect location to reach the people they are trying to help..alittle compassion never hurt anybody..this could only help the city if anything,seems to me all i hear on the news about st.johns these days are robberies and other drug-related crimes, programs like this aim to help people change their lives for the better.
- April 05, 2012 - 14:03
SEAMUS CONNORS, maybe your place of work follows strict codes and standards - that's great! Although we're not talking about the business you work for but since you're on the topic... would you take deposits and book weddings knowing full well that the location was for sale or would be going up for sale in the very near future? Would you also not disclose such information to the couple prior to making them sign the contract? That's what is leaving me feeling bad for those duped customers here. So unethical.
- Just Curious
- April 05, 2012 - 13:46
Wonder if there's a pentecostal couple out there who are marrying within their church and just so happen to have this venue booked as well... will they'll be allowed to have their reception there? Just curious. To the people on here who are holier than thou and seem to think it's absurd that couples are complaining - I would love to see you have your wedding plans ripped out from underneath you just a few months prior to your big day. Regardless of who has bought The Majestic, the biggest day of these couple's lives are completely tangled now. How rude you to insinuate they are bad people for being concerned. Have some empathy here because it's all too easy to give others crap when it's not you or your loved ones. While I don't give the sale of the property any flack, I just went through planning a wedding and I'd would losing my mind if I was told my venue took my deposit and cancelled my booking just a few months prior to marriage. Particularly if you booked recently, as the building has been for sale for the past while; not mentioning this fact upon booking and signing a contract is completely unethical and mean spirited. To The Telegram, can a reporter please write a more expanded news story on this whole wedding debacle, given that so many soon-to-be married couples are being affected? Finding different venues in this city for that many weddings in such a short time will be incredibly hard. I think there's some important, questionable business practices to be discussed here... and some individuals who should be interviewed further - mainly Mr. Quinton.
- April 05, 2012 - 12:11
This is not about the brides and groom against the soup kitchen. No one is going to begrudge the good works that the church will do with this purchase. What seems to be unfair is how these people were handled by the owners of the Majestic. They were not told that the buliding was up for sale and that there was a possibility that they could lose the location. Some hotels have a policy that they can cancel the wedding if a conference books for that time with 3 months notice but they are very upfront about it. If you book with them you do so taking that chance. Quinton is trying to skirt the issue by saying you can't be mad there's a soup kitchen going there... but if he had sold it to anyone else they would likely be in the same position-- looking for a proper venue with little time in st. John's in the summer on a saturday with invites already purchased and send out ( in our case). The fact is he is not putting the soup kitchen there.... and they should have let the brides and grooms decide if they wanted to take the gamble on whether the place would be available or not.
- April 05, 2012 - 10:53
Speaking as someone who is dealing with this right now-- I would like to point out a few things,, First I don't think any of the brides and groom are begruding the church for doing such work as helping those in need- the owners of the majestic however must have know that this was a possibiltiy and failed to mention it when the deposit was paid--- in our case anyhow. Several hotels in the city have a policy that they can cancel with three months notice if a conference were to book there and thus we chose not to book there to avoid the situation that we now find ourselves in. Would the owners have done anything different if it was not the church buying the property?--- I think everyone knows the answer to that- no... And yes feeding the hungry and helping the needy is very important - but that doesn't mean that the total mean spirited dealings of a business man shouldn't be brought to light as well. He is not the one putting a soup kitchen there and no matter who he sold it to the fact is that these people were not informed as they should have been and he would have sold it to anyone and we'd probably still be looking for a new venue in St. John's for a summer Saturday with less than 4 months...
- Elizabeth Foote
- April 05, 2012 - 10:44
WOW!!! This is wonderful and a great need in the downtown area. I am sure those looking for the REAL LIVE music will get the opportunity to listening to the REAL LIVE music that will bring hope and contentment to the soul for ETERNITY. The REAL LIVE music that will keep you singing with the NEW WINE instead of the OLD WINE. Praying for the PAONL as they venture out on this one. May God Bless each one of you involved in this endeavor.
- Donald Prole
- April 05, 2012 - 10:23
This is the worst thing that has happen, i had my wedding book in there and now i can't have it there, 5 months before my wedding. This is the worst thing that could happen. If i don't get my money back i'll be seeking legal action towards the old owner or new owner, which eveyone i need! IF anyone else has trouble getting there money back that they paid, please contact djprole@Nf.sympatico.ca
- April 05, 2012 - 14:29
None of know the future, of course, but if I was a betting man, I'd put my money on the fact that the "new" church will be happy to honor your request of rental for the venue and allow you to have your amazing and happy day at the church. I've seen many churches rent out their venue for special events like yours. Please dig up Pastor Gary Andrew's number (he's in St. Johns somewhere) or call the PAONL and find out. In the church's mission to reach out to the community they do serve soup, but they also open doors to events like yours. I'll bet you can still have it there... it's worth asking.
- April 05, 2012 - 10:15
I know this is semi off topic but it might help someone: I have heard really great things about the Ramada for a wedding reception venue. they say they can hold 150 people. I was surprised at first but after looking at their website it seems legit. I have talked to their manager before and they are really flexible.
- Jordan S. Berson
- April 05, 2012 - 11:32
Hi Mike, I am co-owner and General Manager of Kimspirations, a local Wedding Planner and Decorator. We have done a few weddings at the Ramada in the past two years. They are a good venue. The only drawback is that the elevator is at the other end of the hotel, so your decorator will need to carry everything up the stairs. Other than that, the service and food were high quality at the weddings we have held there.
- April 05, 2012 - 11:57
I just move back after 12 years and I have to say the downtown core looks like crap. Empty buildings, storefronts are unpleasant, and George Street has turn into the UFC of the east coast. I hate to break the news to all the tree hugging socialist here, but a soup kitchen at this location is a terrible idea. What are you thinking? Downtown Ottawa did the same thing "Put a soup kitchen/outreach program in the downtown core” and crime went through the roof in that area. And I know.. all you crying socialist are going to say, not all poor people are criminals, blah blah blah,… Maybe YOU should open a business across the street from this location. Maybe you should walk 1030 at night right by this building. Give it three years and that area is going look nasty. I can see the headlines now “ 40-year old male shot outside the Pentecostal outreach centre. I couldn’t get it at first. Now I know why everybody is moving to Mount Pearl, and CBS. Just dumb.
- April 05, 2012 - 09:53
Made my day - good on the PAONL for taking on this venture! I did some work through the PAONL in downtown SJ years ago - the need for help was obvious then, and I would assume in this economy, even more so today. Praying nothing but success for them.
- April 05, 2012 - 09:33
Churches doing what they are supposed to -- spending their money to help those less in need and hopefully setting an example for others -- and a heritage building retained and, hopefully in the future, revitalized. A simple, feel-good story. Well, feel-good for everyone but the couples who need to find a new wedidng venue, but in the whole scheme of things, that is minor. I imagine it doesn't feel very minor to them right now, but just wait...In a few years, you'll look back and realize you were freaking out for nothing. A wedding is just one day.
- I'm Saved
- April 05, 2012 - 10:16
I agree..!! It's the churches responsibility to spend money to help the needy and less fortunate. However, I'll be darned if I'm going to give 10 or 15% of my salary to the Pentecostals and go to church twice on Sundays just to try to look good to the rest of the world. Some Pentecostals are the biggest hypocrites. They act all squeaky clean, don't drink, don't curse. Ya right.!! They are worse than the rest who do. They are also the most critical bunch around. They only bough the Majestic as an investment. They know the economy is booming in St. John's and they saw an opportunity to purchase a prime piece of property downtown, knowing their investment will pay them back many times over, if and when they ever decide to sell. All I can say is watch out, The Pentecostals are coming. Next they'll be trying to take over George Street and eliminate drinking in the downtown area all together. Open a soup kitchen in some of those big beautiful buildings you already own. You'll still look good.
- April 05, 2012 - 10:38
This comment is for "I'm Saved". Its unfortunate that the only thing you felt to write on this great story is that. Its ironic you label yourself as I'm Saved and you tear down the fell brothers and sisters your supposed to love. In fact for you to label them as judgmental and critical but you writing that post puts you in the same boat as them, judgmental and critical, therefore also making you a hypocrite. Im not sure what the Church ever did to burn you, or turn you cold towards them, but before you start stereotyping all those who believe in the Pentecostal doctrine as apart of their Christian faith, at least form some sort of logical following argument that is worth reading. Putting all Pentecostals under one umbrella as critical, and focused on looking good only makes you look bad, no one else.
- April 05, 2012 - 09:01
Those people affected by the cancellations of weddings have no right to complain. Here you are spending thousands of dollars on the luxurary of a wedding when there are people in this city who can't even afford the basic life necessities such as a hot meal from day to day. At most, the cancellation of the venue is a great inconvenience - there are people who actually NEED a soup kitchen it in order to live.
- April 05, 2012 - 10:33
This is possibly the most ignorant comment on the thread. If people can afford to spend money on a wedding, it is their prerogative to do so. It doesn't make them 'bad' people. Are you suggesting their wedding funds go to charity? As someone currently planning a conservative wedding with a price tag north of $20,000, I can vouch that these brides are experiencing much more than a 'great inconvenience'. As an aside, I viewed The Majestic only a month ago as a possible wedding venue, and the staff were quite willing to take my booking and money, with the sale of the property in the works (unbeknownst to myself and my fiancé). Absolutely terrible business ethics. Very glad we chose elsewhere. Best of luck to the couples who will have to recoup the thousands lost and find another venue in this small town on short notice.
- Jordan S. Berson
- April 05, 2012 - 11:46
Sorry, but that is a very narrow-minded view. Couples and their guests may lose a lot of money (vendor payments, cancellation of flights, etc.) and have to change the date of their weddings and start the planning all over again. But in your opinion, the Majestic sold to a soup kitchen, so that makes it all ok? Really?
- April 05, 2012 - 18:05
Jennifer - are you for real? I have no right to complain that a business takes my money last October knowing full-well that there are plans to sell the business and not tell me about it? And then I read in the real estate listings a few months ago that the building was for sale, and the manager (of the majestic) tells me 'Don't worry, we're just testing the markets, and if we do sell, the new owners will still honor the summer weddings.' I wake up this morning to read here that the building has been sold, and all events past this month will be cancelled. Now, I've got around 3 months to find a new location for our date, as invites have been sent and people have plane tickets bought. Also, I will end up spending a lot more than $750 for a venue that will host 200 guests for both the ceremony and reception. Please tell me why I have no right to complain, I would love to hear it. I know there are people out there who are less fortunate and need a helping hand from time to time, and I am not against The Majestic being used for such purposes. What gives ALL OF US, who have been screwed out of our wedding venue, the right to complain is how The Majestic owners and management have handled this transaction and the lack of communication regarding this sale
- April 05, 2012 - 08:48
It's a crime that so many couples are left without a wedding reception venue. It's something you don't expect at all once you've booked the spot and paid a deposit. Nearly 30 wedding receptions in such a small city is a big deal...I'll be surprised if everybody can be accommodated, especially this summer. My heart goes out to everybody affected by this.
- starlene etsell
- April 05, 2012 - 09:46
This a awesome move on the paonl of nl ,Iam so excited about them investing in the future off n&l ,this i beleive is whai I WOULD CALL A GOD THING ,God bless you in what ever you do ,i stand amased off what God is doing .I hope it will help some off our young people thats on drugs & alcholic ,may it go right along with teen challenge that about to start up in the near future ,not all young people get delevered like my so in 2007 ,now hes in his 3rd yr bible school ,all praise to my JESUS .CONGRATS PAOLN TO GOD BE THE GLORY .
- April 05, 2012 - 11:06
Your heart goes out to some brides who need to re-arrange their wedding?? Give me a break. My heart goes out to the homeless, to those less fortunate - might be time to re-evaluate what's important to you. or not - your choice.
- April 05, 2012 - 11:10
Spare me. Weddings are a freaking farce. Most couples have lived together forever and have their kids as the ring bearer and flower girl. But never mind, in five years they'll be planning another party - at divorce court. (but as long as they had a big showy wedding first, right?).
- April 05, 2012 - 07:50
A wonderful idea for this absolutely beautiful place and the downtown core area can use place like this to promote good causes in our society!
- April 05, 2012 - 07:50
My friend is one of the "upset brides". She and her fiance booked the Majestic for their wedding reception, scheduled for this July. They are having great difficulty finding a new venue. This situation doesn't just "upset the bride". It affects family, friends, catering, travel, cost and all kinds of planning details. The couple has not received any support from the owners in finding a new location.
- April 05, 2012 - 08:50
Businesses have no legal obligation to assist in finding new venues. It's an unfortunate situation - but there is no one to blame.
- Legal Eagle
- April 05, 2012 - 09:28
AMY - because there is a contract in place between the owner and the bride which gives the bride a one-day lease of the Majestic, the owner actually does have a legal obligation to the bride. While you are right that the owner doesn't have to find the bride a new venue, it is in the owner's best interest to do so because the owner is legally liable to the bride for the additional costs that the bride will incur in booking a new venue. The owner has repudiated the contract and may have to pay a large amount in damages to each of these brides. While it is an "unfortunate situation", the owner is to blame and the owner will like pay through the nose for it. My advice - the owner should sue his legal counsel for negligence.
- Seamus Connors
- April 05, 2012 - 11:28
Legal Eagle, please tell me you are not a lawyer because if you are you are a very bad one. I work in the hospitality industry as a Salesperson who drafts contracts for this sort of event every day and if the Majestic is following the standards of the industry then there are airtight clauses in the contracts that protect the ownership from litigation in these circumstances. The bride would be foolish to fight this in court as all she would accomplish is a huge legal bill on top of an already expensive wedding.
- Legal Eagle
- April 05, 2012 - 14:11
SEAMUS - First, I am a lawyer and, in my opinion, a good one at that. Second, I have actually reviewed the Majestic's contract and it is only one page with no provisions that cover the termination or repudiation of the contract (based on your comment, their contract is hardly standard for the industry). Given that there are no contractual provisions which deal with this issue, case law will govern how this would play out in court. Third, because the damages sought in most cases would be under $25,000, a bride or groom can bring their own action to small claims court without a lawyer's assistance. Therefore, there would be no legal fees and only a small filing fee to the court.
- April 05, 2012 - 07:47
bravo to the Pentacostal Assemblies ! a center for Christian outreach, a downtown parih, a soup kitchen, a shelter, affordable housing ....any such use would be a huge improvement from another in the endless string of bars and restaurants. I know there are other downtown churches but many of the older denominations seem to have lost touch with how to reach out to the people.
- Doug Long
- April 05, 2012 - 10:45
I feel sorry for those who had events planned for this space, however I applaud the Pentecostal church for their vision and plans to operate a some sort of a soup kitchen and perhaps a shelter in that building. I will be willing to help with the program, even if I do not belong to the Pentecostal church. I know that many other people, including teenagers will all be available to help in such a worthwhile adventure. Good for the Pentecostal church! I wish that more churches would strive to do the same - or at least offer to help out with this plan and operation. I know that churches are hurting for money as their attendance drops off and many churches now are little more then religious social clubs for elderly. That is a good thing but it might be time for the big three churches to have a similiar vision of going out in the neighbourhood, more visibly so that adults and teens will be stimulated to help in outreach programs. The schools can certainly play a part in this. Our commercial establishments can also get involved with donations of staff time and financial support. I hope that those couples do find a replacement venue for their special wedding days. Good luck to all!
- April 05, 2012 - 07:35
That sucks! The Majestic was a great live music venue. There's really nothing else like it.
- April 05, 2012 - 07:32
Its just too bad though that they would have to cancel events on people such short notice, the porblem with them helpnig people find alternate locations is that 1. there isn't much available with the limited time they have given them and 2. they wanted the majestic. Personally I feel as though The Majestic was capable of making a full turnaround and was on the upswing. It was a one of a kind location for events ie. weddings/Republic of Doyle screenings, concerts etc., there will never be another place like it, and though a soup kitchen is an excellent idea, I just wonder if there wasn't somewhere a little less unique to put that. Its really sad that such a beautiful place is will not be available for hosting events in the future.
- April 05, 2012 - 07:26
Upon first reading the headline I was a little disappointed that the city was going to lose this place as a venue for shows. But if it is put to a good use like a soup kitchen or outreach centre, I'm all for it.
- April 05, 2012 - 07:09
what a great read today. Hopefully we can see great thinggs done from this awesome venue