- September 10, 2013 - 07:20
Cars and houses are not very cheap and not everybody can buy it. But, credit loans are created to support different people in such kind of cases.
- May 15, 2012 - 21:04
Yes it has been nearly four months..and the parents are still greiving.four months,,,,,, compared to 14 years with their son.. how can people be so insensitive. He is resting in peace. The plane that found the ski-doo on late Tuesday could have been sent on early Monday and the the ski-doo may have been found then and his track followed.. I truly believe they would have found him alive but instead there was miscommunication and disagreements in who's responsibility it was. which caused many many delays..a boy is lost in -30 temperatures and they do not see the need to send search and rescue. This is a fight for all Nfld and Labradorians.. to fix a system that failed Burton. And Burton does not have a grandmother in Goose Bay..he was on this way to his Grandmother's who lives in Makkovik..the legal age is 13 years old to drive a snowmobile. He was 14 years old..he went for ten minute ride en route to his Grandmothers.Many of us sometimes go out on Makkovik Harbour to get to other places in Town..this is what he did,and took a wrong turn.
- May 15, 2012 - 12:06
ASH you have no idea what you're talking about. shame on you and others for putting the blame on a 14 year old boy and his family simply because he was on a snowmobile and got lost. some of the posters here have no feelings toward others, no common sense and condem because others condem. so what if Burton was alone on a snowmobile. so what if his parents allowed him to be on a snowmobile. so what if it was night or day, or saturday or monday for that matter... the fact is that a person was lost. the community was out searching and doing their best but calls to SAR and other agencies, so it seems, fell on deaf ears. to the helicopter pilot and company who did search for this lost boy, to them i say " Thank you". many people accross this country have questions concerning this incident but the authorities in charge are refusing to provide the answers. I want to know what went wrong and maybe we can prevent it from ever happening again. an inquiry can answer all our questions. although some people think they already know what happened and why.
- May 15, 2012 - 08:38
Maybe I am overprotective, but I can guarantee you no child of mine would be out on a skidoo alone at night in those conditions. I grieve for the loss of Burton, but I am tired of people defending this by saying it is a way of life in Labrador. Are they above all the laws? If so, this is the type of tragedy that occurs when laws are not followed.
- Marilyn Hynes
- May 15, 2012 - 21:15
Perhaps an INQUIRY would determine if 14 is an appropiate age to operate a snowmobile in our province. Please read the info. posted below as this is current up to date rules for operating a Snowmobile! Reguardless, his age should not dis qualify him from having appropiate Search and Rescue on his behalf! Age of operators 8. (1) For the purpose of paragraph 21(1)(l) of the Act (a) a person under the age of 13 years shall not drive a motorized snow vehicle; and (b) no one shall cause or permit a person under the age of 13 years to drive a motorized snow vehicle, unless the person is accompanied by another person who is 19 years of age or older. (2) A person under the age of 16 years shall not operate an all-terrain vehicle in the province. (3) Subsection (2) shall not apply to a person who has attained the age of 14 years and is operating an all-terrain vehicle having an engine size of 90cc or less. (4) A person who operates an all-terrain vehicle under subsection (3) shall not operate that vehicle unless he or she is accompanied and supervised by a person who is 19 years of age or older. (5) For the purposes of this section an operator of a vehicle is accompanied and supervised when the other person has visual and voice communication with the operator
- May 14, 2012 - 20:57
There is enough blame here for everyone involved. This 14 year old kid should not have been allowed to be out there in control of any sort of ATV or snowmobile by himself. That is a family issue. But given that he was, the search and rescue response should have been adequate to the situation which it seems not to have been. To be complete any investigation as to what went wrong should include consideration of all areas of responsibility including the family's. This brings back memories of children in our neighborhood who used to play street hockey about 150 feet from an intersection that was the only entrance / exit to the subdivision. After watching them for a while and seeing a couple of close calls with cars turning into subdivision I had an opportunity to speak to the parent of two of the boys. He had seen at least one of the cars that I was talking about but his reaction was that the driver should not have been taking the turn so fast. I agreed - but his kids were still playing street hockey in the road as we talked and I wondered to myself, who would be more to blame if the next car hit one of those children, the driver who was not taking proper care or the parent who saw the potential danger and allowed his children to stay there?
- May 14, 2012 - 14:10
Enough politicizing with this poor boy. Let him rest in peace. To me this meeting with the Premier was becoming more of a media circus than anything else. I can't blame her for not becoming involved in that. Thats why there are Ministers in the government, to deal with the departments. We all know where this is stemming from...time for the Liberals to stop trying to get points with the voters by using a young boy. Shame on them.
- Do the Math
- May 14, 2012 - 11:09
anither thought...if my child left my house saying he was running away and going to his grandmother's in Goose Bay, I would have called his grandmother early to make sure he wasnt really trying to drive a skidoo to Goose bay, not wait until dark and then look for him.....theres lots of blame to go around so don't go making this a anti government thing. I am sure MHA from there knows more than he is telling .....BUT if it makes the PC government look bad than why tell the truth, I am sure his cousin coukld tell you too that he left to go to Goose bay so thereforte he didnt take a wrong turn......I feel sorry for the family who lost their child why keep blaming government grieve for him and let him RIP
- May 15, 2012 - 19:56
Goose Bay is not located East of Makkovik. Winters body was located East of Makkovik on the sea ice. If he was attempting to go to Goose Bay he more than likely would have went inland! Do you know this for certain or is this just speculation on your part? If this is speculation it is in very poor taste! This type of comment just further proves that an INQUIRY is needed!
- May 14, 2012 - 10:39
CONSOLIDATED NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR REGULATION 1163/96 Motorized Snow Vehicles and All-Terrain Vehicles Regulations under the Motorized Snow Vehicles and All-Terrain Vehicles Act (O.C. 96-240) Amended by: 55/98 79/99 25/01 2001 c42 s45 141/03 154/04 59/05 CONSOLIDATED NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR REGULATION 1163/96 Motorized Snow Vehicles and All-Terrain Vehicles Regulations under the Motorized Snow Vehicles and All-Terrain Vehicles Act (O.C. 96-240) Under the authority of section 21 of the Motorized Snow Vehicles and All-Terrain Vehicles Act and the Subordinate Legislation Revision and Consolidation Act , the Lieutenant-Governor in Council makes the following regulations. Age of operators 8. (1) For the purpose of paragraph 21(1)(l) of the Act (a) a person under the age of 13 years shall not drive a motorized snow vehicle; and (b) no one shall cause or permit a person under the age of 13 years to drive a motorized snow vehicle, unless the person is accompanied by another person who is 19 years of age or older. (2) A person under the age of 16 years shall not operate an all-terrain vehicle in the province. (3) Subsection (2) shall not apply to a person who has attained the age of 14 years and is operating an all-terrain vehicle having an engine size of 90cc or less. (4) A person who operates an all-terrain vehicle under subsection (3) shall not operate that vehicle unless he or she is accompanied and supervised by a person who is 19 years of age or older. (5) For the purposes of this section an operator of a vehicle is accompanied and supervised when the other person has visual and voice communication with the operator. 131/78 s13; 134/87 s4; 59/05 s4 those regulations have been posted here on this site before for anyone who thinks it was illegal for Burton Winters or anyone else who was or is 14 years of age to to be in control, drive , operate a snowmobile in the province of Newfoundland Labrador. do not confuse snowmobile use with ATV use when dealing with age restrictions.
- May 14, 2012 - 11:12
Harold: No it might not be illegal, however, a 14 year old MUST NOT be unattended while operating a snowmobile . http://www.destinationlabrador.com/guide/snowmobile_rules_and_regulations.htm Drivers •If you are over the age of sixteen (16) you can operate a snowmobile without supervision. •If you are between the ages of thirteen (13) and sixteen (16), you must be accompanied by a person who is nineteen (19) years of age or older. •The owner of a snowmobile shall not knowingly permit the snowmobile to be operated by an unsupervised person under sixteen (16) years of age. A 14 year old should not be driving a snowmobile unattended. Period.
- May 14, 2012 - 08:57
Before this "Thread" goes any further, please remember, everyone, that there is a family who is still in the early stages of the grieving process, even more difficult in this particular situation. Please don't attack them. In your minds, put yourselves in their shoes.
- May 14, 2012 - 10:16
With all due respect, I don't believe anyone here is trying to offend this family through grieving process, god knows I know how hard it is to grieve over a lost loved one. However, they cannot lay all the blame solely on the government. There are laws in place for a reason against the underage use of recreational vehicles and that is to protect children. People are simply asking that this boy rest in peace, not attacting the family.
- May 14, 2012 - 08:38
Ok people, it's time to just let this boy rest in peace. This boy should NEVER have been riding that ski doo unattended in the first place. I don't care if this is in Labrador or China, makes no difference. It is against the law for any minor under the age of 16 to ride any snowmobile or ATV without proper supervision.
- May 14, 2012 - 07:59
Do the Math.....This tragic death is hard enough on the family, friends, and community, and even the whole Province, let alone you "insinuating" that the Media is over-exaggerating the situation. No matter how far Burton walked, he did not receive any recovery help soon enough, and froze to death all alone. You are just adding more agony to the family's extreme grief.
- time to let him rest in peace
- May 14, 2012 - 07:54
let this go, its time, nothing is going to bring him back,,,, its not just the governments fault, i know that it is common practice for the area they live to let a 14 yr old to go out on a adult skidoo by himself, but it is still illegal, so the family and the community as a whole should share the responsibility as well as sar....
- May 14, 2012 - 08:28
I so agree with you. The child is gone and nothing said or done will bring him back. Yes the search was handled poorly but i had the same thought when the child went missing. What the hell was a child doing out alone at night or near night with a skidoo. It may be the way of life for that community but it should not be for a child. Maybe now not so many kids will be let go free before another tragedy happens. But once again he is gone so let the child rest in peace.
- Marilyn Hynes
- May 15, 2012 - 20:13
In response to: Time to Let him rest in peace....Bottom line: The System FAILED BURTON WINTERS! The family is asking for an Inquiry. An INQUIRY is necessary to clarify all the mis information being thrown around.
- DO the Math
- May 14, 2012 - 07:38
I don't understand why media reports that Burton walked 19 kilometres. According to the news reports, the skidoo was found 12 kilometres from the community stuck in the snow and Burton's body was found 7 kilometres from this stuck skidoo. That means Burton was 19 kms from the community. He drove 12 and WALKED 7 km. If according to the news wedia, if he drove 12 kms were the skidoo was found and than walked 19 kms from the skidoo, his body would have beem 31 kms from the community. If the news media can play us believe that he walked 19 kms, what else are they making us believe
- Carol Ann Rogers
- May 14, 2012 - 08:25
"Do the math" Now I've heard of sensitivity training, but your comment takes the cake. The boy is no longer with us regardless if somone with the press is not so great with math problems. The precise distance is irrevelant unless you are collecting data for how far a 14 year old boy should walk before surcoming to exposure in freezing temperatures. You need to check your empathy meter not your TI83 calculator. He walked too far is that correct enough for you.
- May 15, 2012 - 19:41
For Marlene and Do The Math...your post is irrevelant! A boy was lost and the system failed him! Would not make any difference if this human was 50 years old! The system failed him! Stop playing the Blame Game & Wake up! Why don't you both consider using your time to support the efforts of others in asking for improvements in our SAR System?