- Tim Jamison
- June 15, 2012 - 10:53
Leave it to a dipper to resort to politically correct tomfoolery when not getting her own way. waa
- June 15, 2012 - 05:15
Just don't care!
- June 14, 2012 - 19:59
The primier isn't worried about votes now, she's in and like others she knows that she can do a make up before the next election. We keep voting them in and then they do just what they want until they have worked enough to earn a pension. So Yvonne Jones, please get well and come back, we need someone who seems like a good leader to vote for. I know many who many who wish they could go back in time and change their votes. But that's it, isn't it, we really don't know what we have until it's too late. When Danny Williams changed the right to know about the powerful ones, he gained a lot of respect. It really shook things up. So opposition parties, are you willing to reverse this bill if you get elected? How will you treat the people who pay taxes and vote for you? We should be getting them to sign a contract that reviews their performance yearly and stop giving them so much power that they can continue to mess up for years. The decisions made are all about political gain and not for the people needing services. It's never ending. Wish that I didn't feel so disappointed and worried about our home and people every time that I hear or read something about what our government is doing.
- Who Cares
- June 14, 2012 - 18:26
Developing/Third World "COUNTRIES" were the target here, not a particular "RACE". No one blamed a "race" for a certain countries economic situation. Not saying it was the most professional comment(s) to make in the House, but this isn't racism. Government politicians and the media should refresh their definition of "racism" before making such foolish information and accusations available to the public. Wait... isn't that what this new law will do?
- June 14, 2012 - 17:11
It's just the same old thing, the government pulling the wool over the eyes of the stupid people and the stupid people voting for them over and over again, vote liberal when the PC's mess up then PC when the Liberals mess up then back to the Liberal and back to the PC and both parties just robbing the stupid people blind doing whatever they want to do . Pay the people less because the cost of living is so low says the St. Johns merchant and the Government do, raise there taxes and the Government do. You are living in the most expensive place in the Country and the highest taxed and you have a" butch of gangsters" that you yourselves voted for running you into the ground and keeping you oppressed.
- June 14, 2012 - 15:59
Hear No Evil, Speak no evil, and See no evil.... (and the reason being is: because the NL government is going to keep its people in the dark) We might as well be all deaf, mute, and blind - this legislation is making us lose our freedom to be part of our own democratic process. Shame on the Conservatives! And Shame on us, for voting these ppl in. How much more of this crap do we have to take???
- June 14, 2012 - 15:42
How will the PC's feel when they are no longer governing and want access to some information,but because of the laws they pass, they can no longer access?
- June 14, 2012 - 15:38
I do not believe the comment was to be racist, but why is it necessary to make comparisons in the first place. We have a great province and if it was run according to the right values and morals then who really cares what it is like in another location of the world. Also, the govenment is working for the people of the province -- the people of the province pay their wages --the people of the province really own the government as a business therefore ---NO SECRETS -- OPEN BOOK POLICY. If I was told that I could not look at the books and workings of my company then there would be a problem. Why is this even a debate??
- June 14, 2012 - 15:37
The left-wing NDP and Liberal starts getting personal. They fail to debate logic and resort to name calling and attacking the person. Then their attack is usually to call their opponent radical in one way or another to have them dismissed. It only shows is foolishness of their left-wing views. Michael calls Collins racist. Dwight Ball says it come close to racism. George Murphy calls the privacy bill fascist. Dale Kirby is always getting on with antics. They just like to hear themselves talk. They just like publicity stunts. This filibuster is just that. They never tackled the issue before it got to the House, then they were only on it until the very few people who were interested got tired. Stuff like this makes me sure that I will never vote for a left-wing NDP or Liberal again.
- Winston Adams
- June 14, 2012 - 15:16
Yes, not too long ago we had the spending scandal which showed the lack of integrity of some of our MHAs, and most MHAs would have preferred this scandal hidden. Now this government wants to restrict our auditor general and anything else they can. I have an old document from 1932, it shows the PC member for part of Conception Bay opened an account at a local business there. There were a few things there that would be charity, like a couple of sacks of potatoes for the poor. But he also paid to have liquor distributed during the election that year. Beleive he went on to become a judge. I assume he got reimbursed for his all of his "charity". This is not the kind of record (document) that politicans like to see survive or made public, at least for a long , long time. Of course, a year after the date on that document , our country didn't survive. The owner of the business must have thought the document was worth saving: it proves how things worked then. By keeping unethical practises secret, those in power would like to roll back the clock, for the benefit of the few. Soon, on July 1st, you'll see them in the front lines, honouring our fallen soldiers, who died we are told FOR FREEDOM'S CAUSE. And this is a freedom of information act they want to further restrict! If some of the dead could talk.
- Willi Makit
- June 14, 2012 - 14:47
How coincidental is the timing of this legislation given that billions of our dollars are about to be spent on an hydro dam that there is no apparent need for? Hmmmm, something smells.
- Unfortunate Son
- June 14, 2012 - 14:24
Well it was warm as Mexico on Wednesday. I can see the comparison, but only for Wednesday.
- Bobs Your Uncle
- June 14, 2012 - 13:53
I can remember not too long ago when our politicians were caught with their hands in the cookie jar. I also remember the court appearances of these politicians and the outcome. Along came our saviour Danny and made it clear that the books of government was open for business with the AG. Now we are regressing back to the politics of old, where politicians will be allowed to play in the sandbox and cover up their dirt without the people knowing fully what they have done until years later and the public purse is emptied once again. Shame on you Kathy for letting your government put forth a regressive law banning public information to your people. The very people that voted you in. Enough Said!
- William Daniels
- June 14, 2012 - 20:18
Danny Williams was the start of all this. But don't worry about Danny, with the deals he has struck shortly after leaving power will leave him with billions.
- Shame Shame
- June 14, 2012 - 13:31
We have a Premier who doesn't know how to talk and hides when the heat is on. A Minister who can't pronounce "Mongolia" let alone know where it is. A minister who when he is in a debate acts like he is defending an accused murderer. A government who hurls insults at the opposition like there's no tomorrow and then shuts it all down because a respectable member of the opposition finds some of their insults racist. A Government that is trying to run this beautiful province like a dictatorship. Thankfully we have people like Lorraine Michael and Yvonne Jones in opposition who will fight for the people of this province with all their being to prevent this travesty from ever being force on the people of Newfoundland & Labrador. Wake up Newfoundlanders and Labradorians. Hopefully in the next election the people will be smart enough to not vote for these clowns again.
- June 14, 2012 - 13:25
All mudslinging comments aside... Bill 29 is a bad piece of legislation and if Bill 29 passes, which it obviously will, then sadly this becomes a regressive government, not a progressive one. Remember, "Absolutely power corrupts absolutely."
- Joseph McGrath
- June 14, 2012 - 12:21
The racism card is a red herring in this debate about accountability in NL.The bill went way to far setting the access to information back decades and for no good reason.Voters have a right to know and politicans have an obligation to tell and disclose all the facts.It is a sad week for freedom in this province and we have 3 more years before the beast can be ripped from office.We live in a banana republic and cannot even grow our own bananas.Remember The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."!!!! - Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
- June 14, 2012 - 12:14
JAW you said it for sure....Give Gerry an emmy Sometimes I wonder if she thinks she's on stage with all her theatrics....take a bow and sit down
- June 14, 2012 - 12:13
With all the argueing from the opposition I have yet to hear one of them say they would repeal this legislation if they were elected. They put on a good bluffing show for the public but I get a sneaky feeling that this is what all sides want as none of them want to air their dirty laudry and underhanded tactics to the public and none of them whant the scrutiny that comes with access to information. So in the end this may be very poor legislation but the oppostion are just bluffing their way through and putting on a show for the sake of appearing to oppose it when they actually want it so they can protect their own ass. Lets see the next election who will turn this decision around? I am willing to bet no one as it suits all their needs in the end. What a bloody Farce. Nice to see all the partisan political hacks on here support their given leader. God help us now with the best of the worst in power but god help us all if the worst ever got in. It's time for the NDP and Liberals to clean house and get some new blood. I thought that Maybe the NDP did get a little in the last election but all they got was more whiners and people with just enough brains to be dangerous. Don't you just despise NL politicians? I know I do.
- June 14, 2012 - 12:01
I predict that the P.C.'s will drop to the mid to low 30's maybe to the 20's in the next poll. For some reason Dunderdale and the P.C.'s are intentionally trying to lose the next election. I voted P.C. for virtually all of my voting life but it ain't gonna happen next election. I WILL REMEMBER BILL 29!!!
- Arthur John
- June 14, 2012 - 11:31
Kennedy found a way to close debate and blame someone for making him do it. His smug smile and presentation to the media shows his disrespect for honest and open debate of issues. As a lawyer, Collins knows how to deflect the facts with unrelated information. If you rank poorly on access to information, you rank poorly. It doesn’t matter how others rank. The idea is to improve access to information, not to control it. An open and honest government is the best for democracy. Closed and secretive governments are sometimes called dictatorships, or communist states. This Bill is aimed at concealing debatable information on the virtues/economics of the Muskrat Falls development, nothing else. ": ...no country can be well governed unless its citizens as a body keep religiously before their minds that they are the guardians of the law and that the law officers are only the machinery for its execution, nothing more". - Mark Twain
- Fred Penner
- June 14, 2012 - 11:05
Why is the mention of Mexico or Uganda racist? The intention is obviously that these countries are not as advanced as Newfoundland in having comparable democratic institutions. Why is the least common denominator "racism"? Suppose we had been compared to Bulgaria - would that be racist? How about - Brazil - racist? No? How about Britian? No? The issue is one of being politically incorrect in pointing out that someone else is not as advanced. The question is: do we have instituitions that are simliar to Uganda or Mexico? are we so insecure in Newfoundland that we become resentful when compared to a third world country? maybe we are third world.
- Uganda No
- June 14, 2012 - 11:48
Uganda currently has a bill going through the legislature that would make homosexuality punishable life imprisonment or death. Why would any decent government ever host an official from such a country? There's no racism here, just a clueless government that will host anyone no matter their human rights record.
- Winston Adams
- June 14, 2012 - 11:03
How interesting: as I read this article on this historic debate in the House, and with Lorraine Michael"s photo there, Just below the photo is a moving ad "Take Charge Energy Savers" This being run by our local power companies. This by companies whose expertize is such that the PUB data shows they can only save two tenths of one percent per year via energy efficiency, when it could be 40 times that, at 4 percent per year. Their propaganda methods is alive and well: to get their ad in there! And a lot of similar ads on CBC TV lately. Spending more on ads probably than on assistance to consumers. So is there a connection indeed between this SECRECY ACT and Nalcor and the power companies and SMELLY MUSKRAT?
- June 14, 2012 - 10:56
Shortly before midnight, Collins gave a speech defending the legislation and saying it was offensive to compare Newfoundland to those countries. Collins said he resents the notion of “our pine clad hills” were being compared to Mexico, Uganda and other “Third World” countries. Could someone explain what is rasist about this comment????? Seriously, and not saying "because it is" is an answer. These nations he listed are very corrupt, it's a know fact not speculation. Lorraine Michaels Really? You think that was a vaild response to the minister?
- June 14, 2012 - 10:45
Classic BAIT and SWITCH: Declare Racism inappropriate whilst taking the heat off Fascists policy.
- June 14, 2012 - 10:44
I'd rather live in a 3rd world country where the government doesn't have the means to spy on me than in a developed nation headed by fascist lapdogs for the central banks and IMF. We know you were at Bilderberg Mr. Harper, and we know this wasn't your first time. Expect us. We are legion.
- Winston Adams
- June 14, 2012 - 10:40
My first posting, as best that I can recall Mrs Sharpe actually called Hickman " THE CHIEF JUSTICE". That would make him the chief Judge, not the Justice Minister. Would'nt want to make a historical error. I beleived her story.
- Winston Adams
- June 14, 2012 - 10:28
It seems The SECRECY ACT is a done deal by Dunderdale's dummies. Some suggest they'll lose the next election. Some say we should take to the streets to protest. Some suggest this law is unconstitutional as it infringes our democratic rights and freedoms, and that it should be immediately challenged in court. I have never voted NDP, but following this debate at the House, I was impressed how cool and reasoned Lorraine Michael agruments were. Some postings here and at the CBC say there were tones of racism in Collin's rant. And I agree. But Kennedy was quick to jump on the suggestion that Lorraine, in bringing attention to that, used unparliamentary language, as an excuse to bring in closure. The government couldn't take the heat. So, how do we undo this SECRECY ACT? If a court challenge is the way to go, a expert lawyer with constitutional and Charter rights knowledge is essential . Perhaps someone from outside this province is essential . If this is the way to go, lets set up a FREEDOM FUND. Surely the media organizations would be at the forefront. If this can proceed with integrity, count me in for 500.00, as soon as closure is announced. There is always a price for freedom. Lets test the extent of our freedom, and attempts to restrict it here in NFLD and Labrador
- June 14, 2012 - 10:24
I agree with Graham. Poor Lorraine, she is way out of her league as a politician.
- June 14, 2012 - 09:59
I work in Mexico...and here as we speak; and I can tell you this is the most corrupt 3rd world country i've ever seen...just saying.
- holy smokes
- June 14, 2012 - 09:31
When the comments are made by the leader of party that the Minister of Justice is racist, it’s time to stop.Why jerome??? Would that be because it can be proven he is??? Nice ....What a jerk you ARE!!
- Winston Adams
- June 14, 2012 - 09:15
We often hear of the Rule Of Law. I once thought we had one set of laws for all people in Canada. Even one Criminal Code- in effect one Justice system. Years later I learned that ,in theory yes, but in practise, the administration of justice is handled by each province, apparently as they see fit, and often controlled by the unfit - example Collins and Kennedy. So we may get some justice in some provinces and a lot of injustice elsewhere. Not surprised that we rank with some third world countries. When it comes to Justice, I doubt if we ever surpassed them. I have a keen interest in history. Twenty years ago I talked with a old lady with exellent memory , Mrs Alaberta Sharpe, then at St Luke' Home. She bought her first car in 1924 she told me. Paid for by rum running from Tor's Cove to St . John's. Who were your main customers I asked. She replied : Sir Richard Squires, the Prime Minister, and Sir Albert Hickman, the Justice Minister. SUCH HONOURABLE MEN. Make no wonder we lost our country a decade later.
- Deer Lake
- June 14, 2012 - 09:13
Mr. Ball oght to look at the segragation and racism that is occurring in his home town, resources here are certainly not shared equally and bullying politics is the gameplan..................so keep quiet.............. or you will be targetted next...........DEMOCRACY HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !
- Smiling Pete
- June 14, 2012 - 09:11
Here's one for you: what's the difference between Uganda, Mexico, and Newfoundland? A: Uganda and Mexico fought for their independence from the imperialist powers, Newfoundland gave it away. Also they're culturally diverse and have overcome a great deal of hardship. And Mexicans don't get all sooky if you mispronounce México or if foreigners don't know who Francisco I. Madero was. One other thing, Collins, Mexico is not a "third world" nation, but has a highly developed economy and is considered a middle power... like Canada.
- June 14, 2012 - 09:10
The whole works of them need to be recalled. What are the Blunderdale government trying to hide? Typical conservatives. As for Felix Collins, the man is a total idiot and judging by his comments he's also a racist. Jerome Kennedy needs to get his head out of his ass...the only unparliamentary comments made were the ones made by Collins. People of Nl need to stand up and tell this "faux" government that they are not going to take it anymore. Blunderdale and her cronies have no idea what they are doing, passing a bill like this reeks of facism...oh btw Ms. Blunderdale you can look up facism in any dictionary because you obviously have no idea what it means. Maybe she should take a political science course, or a common sense course. I've never seen such a rag tag government in my life....But NL, you voted these idiots in....now you have to live with them. Glad I'm not living there anymore...Pine Clad Hills Felix??? What a crock you racist pea brain.
- Proud NDP Supporter
- June 14, 2012 - 09:04
Collins "RESENTS the notion of “OUR PINE CLAD HILLS” were being compared to Mexico, Uganda and other “Third World” countries" If that's not prejudice I am not sure what is. How arrogant and narrow minded our politicians can be when they have their back up. Let alone the fact that there are rural parts of Newfoundland and Labrador that mimic third world conditions. Lets not forget the fact that the entire purpose of this proposed legislature is to let the current increasingly corrupt politicians take on a fascist approach to government. Why is it our government is working so hard to not be accountable? Maybe, just maybe they don't want the public to observe their mistakes.
- June 14, 2012 - 09:00
WAY TO GO LORRAINE!!! DON'T BACK DOWN FROM THOSE BULLIES!!
- Been Thinkin
- June 14, 2012 - 08:57
After this fiasco is over. I would like to hear from both opposition parties their commitment to overturn this leglislation, when elected. I believe it's a one term for the current leader, at the very least she will be in opposition next time around. This circus has just soured a lot of people who are now wondering what is the hidden agenda behind this.
- June 14, 2012 - 08:51
Graham you are so right. Demagoguery is used constantly by the NDP in the House. Especially by Michaels, Mitchelmore, and Rogers who deliver their impassioned appeals meant to pry the emotions and prejudices of the people. Makes me sick to my stomach to listen to them. That's typical of the NDP and that's how they got elected. They are not capable of appealing to logic and reason that might require research and knowledge.
- June 14, 2012 - 08:45
Every morning I look out my Calgary window and think "well, at least this isn't that third-world backwater, NEWFOUNDLAND." Oh, by the way, I'm not a racist.
- June 14, 2012 - 11:56
The backhoes are working as we speak to dig a huge trench leading away from Confederation Bldg, so the SLIME this "Dumberdale" government is made of, can flow away!! Dig Cathy, Dig...everyday that passes your political grave gets deeper and deeper!!! And "Alan" from Calgary......you might not be racist but you certainly are ignorant!!
- June 14, 2012 - 08:41
Racist? Maybe not technically. Suggesting that these countries and their pepole are somehow beneath us and our "pine clad hills" is certainly arrogant, xenophobic, ignorant, and Insulting.
- June 14, 2012 - 09:43
That was the point of comparing us to them. Then we have to go back to the original person or group who made that comparison.
- June 14, 2012 - 08:40
Regardless of how predictably clumsy and unscripted an all-night barking session can be, and despite now being retold and coated in rhetoric and false outrage by spin doctors in overdrive as it now is, the tossing around of these countries names in this way was unequivocally an act of deliberate racism, and its intent was precisely xenophobic. The mere mention of certain, far-away countries immediately conjures up purely ignorant visions of a backwards or primitive culture in the small minds of the socially ignorant, and it is precisely this reason that it was done. Any comparison of 'them' to 'us' is taken by such people as not only as an insult, but as a vile and ridiculous one. Sadly, if the people who lived in many of these places knew of (or cared about) us and our ways,there would surely be many of them who would be offended with comparison...the history of this particular island, and the things that have gone on here, hardly puts Newfoundlanders in any position to judge or feel superior to anyone --- anywhere. We cannot use even the normally disinfecting filters of government debate to rise above our own prejudices and smallmindedness. Instead, they pander to it for political points. .....Yes, we should really feel smug about ourselves. Sure.
- June 14, 2012 - 08:32
Actually I was taken aback by that statement also
- June 14, 2012 - 08:25
This is pathetic I'm done with voting!!!!!!!!!
- June 14, 2012 - 08:22
Again...a crowd of youngsters! Sooks, the whole lot of em and what do you expect. Randy Simms got it right when he mentioned spending so much time together would do no good. They get to tired and contrary with each other i think. Fire the lot of em!
- Heaven help us
- June 14, 2012 - 08:22
Kennedy is a coward. He showed his colours following his lambasting of judges at The Hughes Inquiry" which he later withdrew, claiming he was taken out of context. He's using closure now to avoid further embarassment of this idiotic bill. Coward indeed.
- June 14, 2012 - 08:19
Ah, the joy of moving home so I can watch this farce unfold. For the record the comments weren't racist, not even close. Statements of fact are not racist either. As well, neither Uganda or Mexico constitute a race. Lorraine should do a bit of school work or move to the southern US were I lived for several years if she wants to know what racism looks like. How do these people get elected.
- June 14, 2012 - 08:10
Obviously, this is Lorraine grasping at straws. Standards of life here cannot be compared with the standards of life in these 3rd world countries. Absurd!
- June 14, 2012 - 07:55
Way to go Lorraine..!! Don't take no SH*T from these bunch of bullies.
- June 14, 2012 - 07:47
Playing the race card...gotta love Lorraine. She always complains but never has any solutions for those complaints. And for the record, I do not support the Dunderfail Government.
- June 14, 2012 - 08:04
...now if only the NDP could get someone besides Michael to drive the bus? I think Dunderdale and her PCs will get quite the surprise next election - she's no Danny. Now if only the Liberals had some members - come on McDonald make it official. a real 3 party climate in NL would prevent this crap from happening.
- June 14, 2012 - 08:13
Michael's reaction shows how shallow her arguments are. Demagoguery is used when one is incapable of substantive debate.
- June 14, 2012 - 09:17
A solution to making racist comments? How about NOT making racist comments. It's not rocket science, Brad.