- July 13, 2012 - 13:44
"Dex " talked to Dunderdale about the "massive hydro project critical to the demands of BOTH provinces". He's speaking for us now? Who's next in line, Don Cherry?
- J. Albert Thomas
- July 13, 2012 - 11:42
Tim Jamison says Muskrat must be the best option - otherwise government wouldn't be pushing it. WOW! Isn't that about the scariest bit of logic you've ever heard to support a massive investment of public funds over a 60 year period? I can only hope that Tim Jamison is not a real living person - that it is a pseudonym like John Smith created by one of government's expensive PR agencies to sell this obscenely flawed project to an unsuspecting public. As disgusting a use of public funding as it might be, I can accept that there are people out there who - for a price - will write whatever their clients want to hear, no matter the consequences for their fellow citizens. It would be almost depressing to contemplate the alternative - that fifty years after the Churchill Falls fiasco, we would still have people in this province so eager to accept that something is good simply because government says it is good. Is that how far - or how little - our individual and collective powers of reasoning have evolved in a half-century? Please tell me it ain't so!
- Tim Jamison
- July 13, 2012 - 10:31
Muskrat Falls is the best option and the government would not be pushing it if it wasn't. All these leftwing conspiracy theories are completely insane. You guys are fighting Muskrat Falls because you're fighting the conservatives. You're playing politics with our electricity and it's Totally Cracked.
- July 13, 2012 - 10:10
Fred Penner says he's always amused by Maurice's creative mathematics. A friend who knows Maurice once told me that Maurice once told him that one can make a rational argument that two plus two equals five. Seems he got the idea from reading Plato or Aristotle or someone like that. So on this Penner makes a valid point. Yet in general Maurice makes a lot of good arguments but as Ben Franklin said about John Adams - sometimes it's just crazy. It's a bit much to analyze all the issues of MF. To do it alone requires one to be an expert in everything, and there's not many of those around. Not to say that there's not value in common sense too. I think Maurice has added a lot to this debate, raising concerns, despite not always showing expertise.
- Winston Adams
- July 13, 2012 - 09:11
They keep repeating that we will have to ration electricity and that any alternative to MF is escalating in cost so it doesn't matter if MF costs go up . Both of these assertions are false. We have a slight problem with our winter residential heating load, which has been handled for decades by Holyrood for about 100 million a year for oil. Meanwhile our residential and small commercial heating and hot water is very inefficient, to the extent of 600 Megawatts of wasted electricity, that's more than the average output of MF. We can convert to efficient systems for one fifth the cost of MF. And the cost of conversion gets cheaper not more expensive. The cost of equipment continues to get less per kw of heat they produce. Nalcor says NFLDers are not interested in this approach.. Who wouldn't want electricity at the equivalent of 2 to 5 cents per kw hour, which is what these systems deliver heat for . Are NFLDers no longer trifty people? Maybe I'm wrong, perhaps waste is the way of the present generation. However, being properly informed is a problem here. Our government doens't practise what it preaches. Their EFFECIENCY POLICY talks about the need to develope a CULTURE OF CONSERVATION through effeciency, but it doesn't apply to Nalcor and the MF project. Almost nothing to assist residents on this CULTURE CHANGE. Just Talk without intent of meaningful action. And could some reader out there reading this, with some knowledge of the amount of electricity waste care to contradict my figures? We have a lot of professional engineering people who chose to remain silent- wonder why. The average reader must doubt that we could be wasting 600 Mw of electricity, which is very economic to use, yet we are to proceed with more multi blliion dollar capacity. Madness to me. Cracked, crazy, foolish, silly , senseless--in terms of meeting our winter heating needs. Maybe MF isa great project for mining companies in Labrador, residents of Nova Scotia and the NE Usa. Should'nt the beneficiaries be the other way around? Only in Nfld could this happen, and so far not a major oposition, unless one assumes the polls reflect the slow process of the public becoming informed in bits and pieces.
- Frank M
- July 13, 2012 - 08:59
Interesting to note that neither Dexter or Dunderdale can get a face to face meeting with PM Stephen Harper. No loan gaurantee - no project.
- Don II
- July 13, 2012 - 08:46
It is clear that the Muskrat Falls hydro electric project will be required to be developed in order to provide the electricity for future development in Newfoundland and Labrador and Atlantic Canada. The question is when should the project be built and under what financing conditions? Is it possible that Hydro-Quebec could buy the controlling shares of Nova Scotia Power and thereby control the corridor through which electrical power from Newfoundland and Labrador must flow to get to markets in Nova Scotia and the United States of America? Is it possible that increased construction and operating costs for the project will exceed 40%? Will the total construction costs exceed $10 Billion? Why is it necessary for the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador to bear the lion's share of the debt for the Muskrat Falls project? There are many unasked and unanswered questions regarding Muskrat Falls. It appears that the passage of Bill 29 or the Cover-up Act as it locally known was designed to make it impossible for the media, public and opponents of the Muskrat Falls project to obtain information regarding Muskrat Falls from Nalcor and the Government of Newfoundland under Access to Information laws. This troubling iron handed secrecy only serves to make the viability and advisability of proceeding with the Muskrat Falls deal at this time even more suspect! It appears that the Premier of Nova Scotia has been informed that all is not well and that the Emperor may not be wearing any clothes in Newfoundland after all. It appears that Premier Dexter may be getting concerned and dropped in for a chat with Premier Dunderdale to see for himself and to be reassured that all is well. Whether Dexter believes what he is told remains to be seen. If I were Mr. Dexter and the Government of Newfoundland told me that the Earth was round I would ask to see a satellite photograph and a scientific report to prove that the Earth is round or at the very least oval!
- Maurice E. Adams
- July 13, 2012 - 08:03
Nalcor's VP Muskrat Falls (Gilbert Bennett), Tom Marshall and Minister Kennedy have repeatedly said that Holyrood operates at capacity in winter, and that when operating at capacity it uses 18,000 barrels of oil a day...... At $100 per barrel that would be about $200 MILLION in winter...... After requesting the info since May, I just received word from Nalcor that over the last 9 years Holyrood operated AT CAPACITY at less than 2% of the time (1.58%) ... less than 6 days per year. SO when operating at capacity in winter, oil (when operating at capacity) would only cost --- not $200 million, but about $3 million a year. Of course, it operates at less, and much less than capacity as well. So on average (2002-2010) Holyrood oil has cost about $92 million a year, and in 2011, Holyrooddid not operate AT CAPACITY at any time. See www.vision2041.com
- Fred Penner
- July 13, 2012 - 08:32
I am constantly amused by your creative mathematics. By the way, what was the spill from the Hydro system this year?
- July 13, 2012 - 07:55
to all you naysayers can you name one province or state thet if it had this resource would not develop it would have had long before now you barely know how to turn on a light yet youre experts on this
- July 13, 2012 - 07:35
Premier Thunderstruck is adamant this project is going ahead come hell or high water. So what will a non-vote debate in The House accomplish? Better it was held in The Waterford.
- July 13, 2012 - 07:33
Ever get the feeling that all this is to rattle some people's cage.
- Virginia Waters
- July 13, 2012 - 07:10
Clearly the Muskrat scheme was predicated on a lie from the outset. The problem with a lie - especially a whopper like this one - is that you have to make up even more lies to cover your tracks. This project matches the Upper Churchill for sheer stupidity but certainly exceeds it for deceit.
- Cold Future
- July 13, 2012 - 06:57
Even with the creative and new math economics as well as the unmonetized approach, nothing adds up. With all of that, it is balancing act to justify the project and even the so called experts stated that the pending closure of Corner Brook pulp and its 120 MW back inthe system would change the viability. There is no way to compete with energy from Quebec into Labrador without massive subsidy. Any increase in the project numbers further makes the project a lose lose lose situation for NL ratepayers. NL has given enough to Quebec. We don't need to so generous again with NS or anyboby else. Its time to recognize that the ship is sinking and bale out as quickly as possible.
- Maurice E. Adams
- July 13, 2012 - 06:44
So now we need Muskrat Falls to provide Danny's multi-billion dollar mining giants power at 2-4 cents/KWh, power that to build and transmit will cost island ratepayers 20-30 cents/KWh ---- WE, island ratepayers/taxpayers will thereby lose billions to placate the mining giants of Labrador...... It makes more sense, for everyone, for the mining companies to buy their power over the fence from Quebec for 2-4 cents/KWh.