- Tim Jamison
- November 09, 2012 - 22:46
The over-coverage of this story is growing boring and the conspiracy theories of the antis are big, old YAWNS
- Cyril Rogers
- November 09, 2012 - 21:58
INFORMATION-BASED: You are ignoring a key aspect of this project when you suggest it can help us get around Quebec. That is Muskrat Falls but its power is so expensive that nobody on the mainland wants it anyway. Quebec is selling power to Vermont for about 5 cents per kw so how would it make any sense to sell Muskrat power when it will cost closer to 30 cents to get it to market. Also, the line is only able to handle 500 MW, less than one-tenth what is produced at Churchill Falls. Can't see how this line and this project will benefit us. You can choose to ignore the realities if you wish but they are there for any thinking person to see. I would love to have this project work, if it would benefit us as a province, but that cannot ever be the case and all it will do is place our finances at great risk.
- Brad Cabana
- November 09, 2012 - 21:05
Parts of this article are false. For starters, the reason Nalcor is not implementing the Impacts and Benefits Agreement (IBA) is because it is an agreement in principle only, and the New Dawn Agreement states the benefits won't start until all three sub agreements of the New Dawn Agreement are finalized. That also requires another referendum on the final New Dawn Agreement. More to come on this Tuesday in St. John's
- DON II
- November 09, 2012 - 16:05
Why is work on the Muskrat Falls project proceeding prior to the project being officially approved by the Government? If anyone else started construction of a project from building a fence to building a house without the required final Government approvals the Government would step in with a Stop Work Order. The Government would prosecute any offending developer if they continued the construction without final approvals from Government agencies. It appears that certain parties in Newfoundland and Labrador can build their projects without having to wait for the required final approvals and permits. It appears that disregard for the rule of law shows that incompetence, unethical behavior and corruption has taken solid root inside the Government of Newfoundland! It appears that as far as the Government of Newfoundland is concerned, the Muskrat Falls project is a done deal and there is no need to conform to the niceties of following the law. It appears that the Government sees no reason not begin construction before the project has received final approvals.This is the same Government that allowed the Town of Cupids to illegally occupy Crown land and to allow the operation of an unapproved Commercial Marina for over 2 years before an investigation by the Citizens Representative Office forced the Government to evict the Town of Cupids and shut down the illegal Commercial Marina. It appears that the rule of law does not apply to the Government of Newfoundland and some of their well connected pals!
- November 09, 2012 - 14:01
Wow, what a shrill chorus of nay-sayers and short-term thinkers. This project is a long-term win for this province, and now is the juncture where it makes the best sense to proceed with it. Oil is a FINITE resource, and WILL run out, and all the current shriekers will be wishing they had power half as cheap as the supposedly high projected power prices resulting from the lower Churchill when that eventuality eventuates. Right now, NL has an artificially high bottom line from one time fossil fuel royalty revenue, and generationally-low interest rates. To take advantage of these two factors to develop a long term, major source of renewable energy for the province and the region, while at the same time lessening our dependency on Quebec power corridors and developing our own network of regional power customers, is an ultimately wise and timely decision.
- November 10, 2012 - 16:27
The exact same words were preached about Upper Churchill Falls way back when. The fact of the matter is that none of us have enough verifiable facts about this project to make an educated decision. The only facts we have are those provided by a Government that has already proven itself completely non transparent. These are the same players that thought it a wonderful idea to expropriate the GFS mill. The same players that promised a new hospital to the Corner Brook area to gain votes in the last election, all the while knowing it would mysteriously be put on hold once elected. These are people that base the provinces budget on "predicted oil pricing" only to come up short and drive us into more debt. These people have not proven themselves trustworthy in the past so why should we accept their numbers and projections as facts.
- November 11, 2012 - 11:59
"Long-term" is a very handy copout description of this idiocy...it means several things: firstly, it dismisses the need for the proponents to use any sort of facts, data, or robust economic rationale to justify plowing ahead...it's just a "long term" thing, and everything works out in the 'long term'....that's the economic history of Newofundland right there in a nutshell, right? Yay! Secondly, it reveals that the dufuses (dufi?) leading this fiasco will be long gone when the chickens come home to roost...all off to their Florida retirements, enjoying their taxpayer-guaranteed pensions ---- which, BTW, they secured for themselves partly by selling us on this dam thing. Thirdly, it provides false hope, a rainbow to chase, for the people of Newfoundland who otherwise would (very sensibly)be pretty dammed worried that this place has zero economic future after oil. And keeping people calm via deception is just as rewarding in politics as providing great government...and MUCH easier to do.
- Maggy Carter
- November 09, 2012 - 12:05
It was an amusing speech - if unintentionally so - that Kennedy delivered yesterday to Rotarians. In terms of the Muskrat Falls file, Kennedy will be remembered for his loud, blustering, in-your-face, at times almost spitting, stammering put downs of its critics. Kennedy had taken the Muskrat debate up a notch in volume and down a notch in substance after taking over from his more circumspect predecessor, Shawn Skinner. Mind you, he had the full endorsement of his leader, Dunderdale, who matched him blow for blow when it came to attacking the integrity of lawyers, economists, engineers and even former ministers who dared question the wisdom of the project. But now as the die is about to be cast, when sanction of Muskrat by the Dunderdale steamroller is mere days away, Kennedy professes a change of heart. Not a change of heart with regard to the substance or merits of Muskrat, but to the manner in which he so quickly, enthusiastically and viciously assailed its critics. His excuse for being a jerk, says Kennedy, is that he was a trial lawyer in a former life and was unable, for the life of him, to exit from the attack mode programmed into his hard drive. Don't get me wrong - his acknowledgement that he was a jerk is a refreshing admission coming from a politician. The question is how genuine or altruistic is it? It might carry more weight if it didn't come at the eleventh hour, after he had pummelled many of his critics into silence, or if he was announcing that government would do the right thing after all. The right thing, of course, is to send Muskrat back to the PUB - an agency that also suffered abuse at Kennedy's hands, and to take his foot off the throat of provincial legislators by opening Muskrat up to full, unrestricted debate in the House of Assembly. It is perhaps more likely that Kennedy has come to realize the damage he has done to his own credibility as a politician, as a lawyer, and perhaps even as an aspiring successor to the beleaguered Dunderdale. But Kennedy can take comfort in the knowledge that, with a few years still left in his government's mandate, there is ample time for his unseemly behaviour to evaporate from the memory of the Newfoundland electorate.
- Cold Future
- November 09, 2012 - 12:00
The federal loan guarantee would have to amount to $4 billion today to make the project ecomonically viable, i.e. competitive with going rates for the price of the power (selling price on the mainland).
- Cyril Rogers
- November 09, 2012 - 11:28
BLOGDISS, a Federal Loan Guarantee may make the project viable but that will not make it any more reasonable or sensible. The costs will still be astronomical and all out of proportion to the original objective. For once, I truly hope PM Harper breaks a promise to this province!
- Art John
- November 09, 2012 - 11:25
If I applied to the town of CBS for a permit to build, and started the work before I received approval, and the permit, the town would be quick to issue a stop work order until the evaluation process was completed. Why doesn't this process apply to NALCOR? At least I am not affecting the environmet as this work surely is!!!
- Cyril Rogers
- November 09, 2012 - 11:24
The government and NALCOR are operating on a slippery edge with the way they have gone about this process. The government has used its legislative capacity, and its majority, to ensure that NALCOR's activities and its operations are kept out of the hands of the public. Will this become as big a scandal as the construction industry scandal in Quebec? The government, by siphoning off HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS dollars from oil, and entrusting it to NALCOR, are, in my opinion, depriving the people of this province of their own resources. While DW was applauded when he set this corporation up, a few years ago, it should never have been allowed to operate with no public oversight. We, the public, only get to see what they want us to see, especially now that Bill 29 has been enacted. The whole process would considered "theatre of the absurd" were it not such an assault on democracy.
- November 09, 2012 - 11:10
A Federal Government loan guarantee will make the project viable, but there is no loan guarantee yet. However, work has been ongoing for a year or so and will continue. The project has not been approved by the provincial government but work has been ongoing for a year or so and will continue until it is approved by government. All of the work that has been done and will be done is included in the 7.4 billion dollar estimate. Oh, and by the way............Nalcor is spending this money without provincial government approval because the provincial government hasnt approved the project yet. What in the hell kind of shop are they running here??????????? One day the sun will NOT shine and have will be no more!
- Cold Future
- November 09, 2012 - 10:27
What a tangled ugly mess, wow!