- Real Deal
- June 12, 2013 - 17:06
Those playing the game do it quietly. With all the propaganda Bulls##t by the police and press, the organizations in question get all the flak from a couple of bottom feeding idiots. Hells Angels????? You never hear of them!!!!! The only time you hear it is when goofs throw around the name because they don't have any balls!!!! If these guys are the real deal SHOW YOU COLORS!!!!!!
- Tim Jamison
- June 05, 2013 - 12:25
There's so much kneejerking going on in here I'm going to get arthritis. We don't need to give up our freedoms and an even larger part of our tax dollars to the police (Hey Calvin) or become busybodies (Christine) or somehow destroy our economy (ahem, NDP) so we could go back to the peaceful, havenot, slum days when most kids couldn't walk to school without getting robbed by the local bully squad who robbed because their Moms were on welfare and couldn't buy anything (Outraged). Growing up in St. John's was truely and utterly painful because of that and I don't wish that on any child. Let the cops do their jobs and let the criminals try to do their's. Either the cops will arrest them or the criminals will kill each other (I sincerely hope they do some target practice first), but this will end, as all things do. No need to FREAK OUT and display our emotional inabilities to make logical decisions
- California Pete fron NFLD
- June 04, 2013 - 12:05
Such a nice looking police officer. It's time to have a SWAT team to deal with thise world renowned gangsters Good luck and have a nice day
- June 04, 2013 - 09:51
i think this is goin to happen alot more.....
- June 04, 2013 - 09:01
I agree with "Good Neighborhood's" comment. And, yes, unfortunately, there is more crime going on in this City and communities than we friendly, kind, warm-hearted Newfoundlanders would like to admit. Most have their heads in the sands of denial. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have our old ways and trust back when we never had to lock our doors, even at night time, and your friends and family came in without even having to knock. This is Progress ????
- J Cairns
- June 04, 2013 - 08:46
If the police & courts can't handle the Hells Angel problem...get a Militia going and do something about it. People power will get the job done.
- June 04, 2013 - 10:02
you obv don't know what the HA's are about
- Blair Brookfield
- June 03, 2013 - 23:58
Doesn't sound like Hell's Angels. More like The Trailer Parks Boys.
- Real Deal
- June 12, 2013 - 17:10
- June 03, 2013 - 19:42
Did anybody see the movie Grand Torino? Well I'm the old fart who has lived in the same house for over 50 years. The city grew around me and the neighborhood went down hill. A lot of the houses have now been rented and I have to live with the consequences of the kind of people who are now my neighbors. I figured I'd have to live with that. My daughter saved her money and bought a new house in a new, safe neighborhood. Now she and her two small children have hauled a mattress down to the basement to sleep. When you wake up in the night time to the screech of tires and sounds of gunfire it kind of puts a scare in you that will take a long, long time to get over. And that nice new neighborhood, well the children won't be out to play, the laughter has gone. Our fun loving, friendly safe city has disappeared. All you idiots out there who think that buying a little something for a nice little recreational buzz that won't hurt anybody, have attracted the sharks. If there was no market for it, there would be no sellers and don't be fooled, the Hells Angels don't drive motorcycles and wear leathers anymore. They wear nice suits and shiny leather shoes and look just like your neighbor.
- Retired P
- June 03, 2013 - 19:20
Another case of reactive policing rather than proactive. When it comes to dealing with bikers you need to keep the heat on them at all cost. Their like maggots, if you don’t take care of the problem when it first comes to your attention they will flourish like they appear to be doing now.
- good neighbourhood
- June 03, 2013 - 17:30
...God forbid should there be any violence, or drug related activity, in these well-to-do neighborhoods! Duh...you won't see the drug lords living in the 'seedy' areas of town. Ironic how quickly the Chief of Police is acting on this now that it's happened in a 'good, quiet' neighbourhood. What a kick in the guts for those who are hardworking but cannot afford to live in the ritzy areas of our big city yet are also affected by acts of crime. too sad...
- ac hunter
- June 03, 2013 - 15:23
most people on this comment section have no idea what they are talking about despite what the rnc thinks the HA arent involved the police only know what stupid people who listen to rumours tell them i bet the perps will never be caught
- dauntless street resident
- June 03, 2013 - 15:03
It is pretty sad that the cops are so uninformed; As a resident of the area I can confidently say that most people around here know who the target was and it is astounding that the police have not already launched an investigation into this scumbag whose illegal activities are putting innocent lives at risk. I have two small children and if they are harmed in another incident like this, I will hold the RNC responsible for their incompetence!
- June 04, 2013 - 13:15
If you know who the target was, why not contact the police? Or one of these people who apparently know who it is?
- Dan DePack
- June 03, 2013 - 14:30
I, like everyone else in this city who has any common sense, am not afraid of so-called "MCs" or "outlaw motorcycle gangs". Anyone walking around St. John's wearing a gang patch, and pretending to be a biker is a fool, and more, a poser and is definitely a person of questionable intelligence. And I stand by my earlier comments about the Hells Angels...if there WERE actually HA's in St. John's, you wouldn't be able to tell them apart form so called "normal people" on the street. The alarmist tone that was suggested by the "journalist" that wrote this piece is is only going to increase the tension in an already tense city.
- June 05, 2013 - 08:05
Well put Dan, "if there were" comment is right, this journalist is "Grandstanding" and should stick to the facts not what they think is going on, and the police found the weapon so that says alot about who did the shooting....Right not the MC
- June 03, 2013 - 13:23
I live one street away from Dauntless... I come from Houston, a city of lots of crime and I must say, I've never had to look out my window every night when I hear a car pass before until 2 days ago. It has shaken my wife up and I also have a young daughter.. I know every neighborhood is bound to have some crime, but a neighborhood like Kenmount Terrace? And just now bringing up the possibility of it being the Hells angels? that should've been there first thought anyway, you wont find a couple houses and cars shot up over someone stealing another persons girlfriend... either way this is not something to expect in a neighborhood filled with families, A brand new one at that! I hope they catch these guys quick!
- June 03, 2013 - 14:07
That's because you've seen it happen in Houston.I live in Houston and the drive by's and gang activities,albeit,in the bad parts of the city, go on every day.But not in my neighborhood.It's relegated to the seedier parts of town like the 3rd ward.But when it hits close to home I can understand how someone feels who has never experienced it before in their own neighborhood!Especially when you have kids and a family.Having said that I don't think this will wind up being anything the average citizen of St.John's has to worry about.I could be wrong,of course,but having worked on such issues with HPD in the past, what happened in St.John's that night was strictly amateur!But,I guess an amateurs bullet can kill just as much as a pros.Sad!
- June 03, 2013 - 13:22
Trust me on this one,these were wanna be thugs who got scared s**tless when they fired the gun and left it behind.No professional leaves their weapon behind with finger prints all over it so the police can ID them!!Let's not make mountains out of molehills!!Is there violent crime in St.John's?Yes.Is there gang activity in St,John's?Yes.But there was no gang related activity behind this one.Mark my words, as a person who has worked with a couple of Police Departments in the US over the years!This isn't going to be gang related.Period!
- June 03, 2013 - 23:17
@Seanoairborne Maybe the left that (Most likely) AK on the ground to make a point saying, hey we got some big guns here now.
- June 03, 2013 - 13:14
What about Corner Brook? Da...it has a Hells Angels presense. What do you think goes on after dark on the Broadway?
- June 03, 2013 - 12:33
I agree with this statement ealier referencing the Hells Angels but in saying that with money and a booming economy brings in more drugs and crime, its happened in every major city so the oil companines should fork out some of their billions to help police keep out the rif raf but MUCH WANTS MORE! Maybe we will get lucky and the economy goes bust and we can go back to the quiet city we used to have and where you didn't have to fork out your paycheque to keep a roof over your head. Money is not all good and greed is an ugly trait.
- June 03, 2013 - 12:24
J, your exactly right! People here are under the impression that "this stuff don't happen in our city" Well folks, it is happening and lots of it! Dan Depack, time to get out of the bubble, these things are REAL and these MC gangs.....yeaa there REAL too!!!
- June 03, 2013 - 12:09
I live in this neighborhood and I can tell you there was nothing alleged about it, shots were fired and the sounds were eerie. When our street was taped off we were in the middle of a crime scene, things get real really fast. We live in a neighborhood with small children and I myself have a small child, it was pretty scary to say the least.
- June 03, 2013 - 11:56
OH SO you are finalllllly realizing that the Hells Angels are active in St. John's - they have been working there a few years now - wake up folks. The "drugs" they are bringing in will cause a lot more trouble than weed every did. NO neighbourhood is safe from pill poppers and coke heads.
- Oh No
- June 03, 2013 - 12:23
I guess you hang around in different circles than me. There was a story on them last year so I know they are here. I haven't seen 200 bikers riding down Water St wearing patches.
- June 03, 2013 - 11:38
If there wasn't such a booming market for the drugs, there wouldn't be such a fight to establish territory. Newfoundland is a cash cow for drug dealers. If you're buying and/or using it, you're part of the problem.
- Dan DePack
- June 03, 2013 - 11:02
The idea that the Hells Angels are visibly active in St. John's is absolutely ludicrous. The comment made earlier, by "Concerned Citizen", in regards to "the piece patches" being everywhere reminds me that people watch entirely too much "Sons of Anarchy". The Hells Angels are banned in most Canadian provinces from wearing their colours in public, so why would they risk criminal prosecution for doing that here? People need to engage in a little more critical thinking, and a little less believing what they watch on television. "Sons of Anarchy" is not real!
- June 03, 2013 - 11:52
Dan, that's just not the case. I used to work in a hotel here where members of the Bacchus OMG have stayed as a group. Bacchus and the HA have an affiliation, but it's unknown publicly HOW much of one there is (some say that they're allies, others say that Bacchus is a "Puppet Group" or an offshoot...I really don't know.) It might not be at the same level of SoA, but believe me when I tell you that this stuff is real, and we're a growing place--mining and oil and other ventures are making this province more profitable (for how long, I don't know), and it attracts growth...even in criminal sectors. And face it: the Hells Angels are an outlaw group...you think they're really that concerned about criminal prosecution? They're careful, but not fearful.
- June 03, 2013 - 12:06
Hells Angels are alive and well in Newfoundland, don't you worry. There's a clubhouse in Cupids that is actually ran by the HA.
- Concerned Citizen
- June 03, 2013 - 12:07
Hey Dan, nowhere did I mention Hell's Angels! I know there not dumb enough to commit something like this while flashing there colors. Sounds like you don't get out much there buddy. I can name 3-4 MC Gangs here in this City. And if you don't think this is serious, why don't you stick a 3 piece patch on your back and walk around the city. It wont take long before your told to remove it!!! Its people like you who are under the impression "that stuff don't happen here". Well guess what, it is happening here and we need to get a grasp on it!!!
- June 03, 2013 - 12:07
You need to clean your rose coloured glasses. Hells angels have been in NL for years CBC did a documentary regarding a sting conducted by the police to gain information about their activities between Montreal and NL. So much for your "absolutely ludicrous" comment. Individuals involved in organized crime have all kinds of fashion wear these days. That bit about the patches being banned you really think they care about a ban, they are the Hell's Angels, if they want to wear pink tutus they will and still continue in organized crime activities. I don't know what Son's of Anarchy is but I know what a jean jacket with the sleeves cut off with big words Hells Angels, sure is! When you get the glasses cleaned up you'll find said jacket wearing people in small pool hall taverns, not the Martini Bar unless they are making business arrangements with legit business then they break out the pink tutus and sit with the general folk. You need to stop with the all knowing attitude because you only think you are up on it all, you are actually very naïve.
- Concerned Citizen
- June 03, 2013 - 10:09
The Police have to step it up a bit in this city! You see 3 piece patches everyday! What do you think these guys are up to?? Their not selling milk and cookies on the corner anywhere! Crack down on organized crime!!!!
- June 03, 2013 - 09:40
Good time now to get to know your neighbours and take your street back!! Get to know everyone and I mean everyone!! Let "them" know you own your community and not THEM!!
- Tim Jamison
- June 04, 2013 - 13:38
If you or anyone else comes to my house asking me stupid questions, I'll ask you to leave, as will most other people. Smarten up. This isn't the 50s
- hey "hey calvin"
- June 03, 2013 - 09:39
give your head a shake my friend, oil companies arent just going to fork out 25 million to support police every year haha i dare you to go to the ceo of exxon mobil and tell him since they are doing so well with business that they should feel obligated to give away 25 million dollars because some retards are firing off guns and they should feel somewhat responsible because they are giving everyone good jobs and wages? crimes going to happen whether or not st johns is booming, even if it wasnt people would be doing cheaper less clean drugs
- June 03, 2013 - 09:26
I live in what is regarded as a safe neighbourhood. However, we do have drug dealers and breakins to cars and houses. I don't think any part of St. John's is safe. If the judges would put a few in jail, we may have a chance.
- June 03, 2013 - 09:22
The funny thing is that a lot of people believed that a booming economy would actually reduce crime in St.J ohn's. So the theory goes, if you have more unemployed people getting work, higher wages, and so on, you will also get a decline in poverty crimes (shoplifting, petty theft, B&E, prostitution, et cetera). Well, that never happened!
- June 03, 2013 - 09:14
- Oh no
- June 03, 2013 - 09:28
If gangs get established, last one out turn off the lights. We'll all have to resettle back to the bay.
- June 03, 2013 - 09:05
Why would they leave gun at scene? HMMM . Strange.
- Hey Calvin
- June 03, 2013 - 08:37
If there is nowhere to hide as you say then why were they not caught? We don't have to put up with this type of crime just because we have a booming economy. We need to address this issue properly. First find out how bad it is from the authorities. Second determine through their expertise what needs to be done to clean it up. Third lets every man woman and child stand behind our police and fight for more resources and money to allow them to do their job. Time for leadership and direction not lip service. Big Oil should be helping out with big investments in our policing agencies so that they can go out and get the bad guys. If the oil companies all chipped in and gave the department of justice 25 million a year to help policing efforts in this province we would see a big difference. These dirt bags would not be able to move without a police car close behind. Time for Big Oil to step up!
- June 03, 2013 - 11:47
Find out how bad it is from the authorities?? Downtown residents have been calling police and city hall regarding Tessier Pl for years and were told their hands were tied, there is only so much we can do, City hall called it a police matter police said only so much we can do and on and on the residents finally just stayed in side, because the AUTHORITIES WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING. Suddenly show a few zeros on the price tag of the home with complaints of violent crimes and your demanding for the authorities to come in here ASAP and fix this problem. Good luck took years for every other downtown neighbourhood to even get anyone to listen much less actually do anything. Its the head in the sand issue, they don't want to know they just want their pay cheque.
- June 03, 2013 - 08:37
Councillor Hanlon..."alleged shots"? Residents have bullet holes in cars and garage doors caused by "alleged shots." Seems you are another city hall representative not wanting to face the facts. Remember Tessier Place, they had alleged criminal activity and one dead man as the actual result before the city made an effort toward offering support to the residents from the criminals. How many years will you allow alleged criminal activity rule THIS neighbourhood?
- Whaddaya At
- June 03, 2013 - 08:25
According to Debbie Hanlon, residents of Dauntless Street should not fear for their safety because the whole story has not been told. Huh ???. What kind of mindless gibberish is that ?. The 'whole story' won't change the fact that the bullets that were fired could have killed people instead of putting holes in houses and vehicles. Smarten up, Hanlon.
- June 03, 2013 - 08:04
Coun. Hanlon, that is what is wrong. What the police are telling you and what is actually happening are two different things. St. John's is not safe right now. Talks of gangs??? What does that tell you? Gun shots late at night, worse still random??? Nobody is safe, no street is safe. The Telegram has to go to the right people. The Chief of police, The Mayor, councillors who are seeking re-election and get their thoughts. For too long we have been getting lip service. If the police need the support of the community they have to tell us how it is. Only then can we support them and stand behind them. It is a community issue, we all want to be safe in our homes. Time to get these questions answered and time for all to work on finding solutions before god help us some innocent person gets killed.
- June 03, 2013 - 07:14
Random? Bull$%^&!!!. Remember the car that got fire bombed downtown last week? This drive by shooting is what is called "retaliation" folks. Said it before and I'll say it again, with the booming economy comes the drugs, violence, crime and prostitution. The "hard working" Newfoundlanders that are supporting these peoples way of life are as much to blame as the criminal element itself. Get used to it people, this isn't the end. In bigger urban centers like Toronto and Edmonton this activity is generally hidden from the public, but there is nowhere for these people to hide in St. John's.
- June 03, 2013 - 08:27
first thing I thought of too, retaliation for the fire on Hamilton Avenue.