St. John's rally supports coalition

Everton McLean
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Cries of, "Shame, shame," against Stephen Harper rang out at St. Teresa's Parish Hall in St. John's Thursday night as about 150 supporters of the proposed Liberal/New Democratic Party coalition government gathered to rail against the Conservative prime minister's government.

The rally was in response to the Liberal, NDP and Bloc Quebecois threat to topple the Harper government with a non-confidence motion and form a coalition government.

Federation of Labour president Lana Payne speaks at a rally Thursday night in St. John's in favour of a coalition government in Ottawa. Photo by Gary Hebbard/The Telegram

Cries of, "Shame, shame," against Stephen Harper rang out at St. Teresa's Parish Hall in St. John's Thursday night as about 150 supporters of the proposed Liberal/New Democratic Party coalition government gathered to rail against the Conservative prime minister's government.

The rally was in response to the Liberal, NDP and Bloc Quebecois threat to topple the Harper government with a non-confidence motion and form a coalition government.

That plan was delayed Thursday, when Harper convinced Governor General MichaËlle Jean to prorogue Parliament until Jan. 26, when a budget will be presented.

Lana Payne, president of the Newfoundland and Labrador Federation of Labour, called Parliament's suspension a short-lived reprieve for Harper.

"I know some of you are a little disappointed from today. After all, Stephen Harper did get his way. But it's only temporary," she said.

Payne criticized the recent economic update from Conservative Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, saying a coalition government would work to heal the economy.

"Sadly, we don't have to look far to see why we need an economic plan for our country," she said, noting the closure of the AbitibiBowater mill in Grand Falls announced Thursday, the loss of nearly 160 jobs at Wabush Mines, and summer shutdowns at other mining operations in this province.

Liberal Party of Newfoundland and Labrador president Danny Dumar-esque denounced Harper's track record in this province.

"We know here in Newfoundland and Labrador you can't trust a word from Stephen Harper," he said, eliciting cheers from the group.

Provincial NDP Leader Lorraine Michael stressed the importance of continuing to show support for the coalition.

"We have to prove to the people of Canada that the way to go is the way of the majority. The way to go is the way of the coalition that has been put together in Ottawa."

She warned people not to fall for the political spin and measures she said Harper will take to keep power, including a budget that may include concessions.

While the majority of the people at the rally supported the coalition, waving protest signs and coalition placards, resident Rick Bouzane told the group that he still isn't convinced of the coalition.

"Will there be a sound member from Newfoundland and Labrador on that coalition? Because if not, it's not for Newfoundland and Labrador," he said.

Michael said she's convinced national NDP Leader Jack Layton will ensure there's cabinet representation from this province, while Dumaresque noted Liberal Leader Stephane Dion has already given three Newfoundland and Labrador MPs critic portfolios.

Meanwhile, rally-goer Bruce Pearce said he felt it was important for people to continue to show support for a new government.

"I believe in collaborative good government and I think the coalition could do that and I believe the chance is still there," he said. "This is really a starting point."

He said the decision to prorogue Parliament was disappointing, but he said people supporting the coalition should take it as an opportunity to gather momentum.

emclean@thetelegram.com

Organizations: New Democratic Party, Bloc Quebecois, Newfoundland and Labrador Federation of Labour Liberal Party of Newfoundland and Labrador Newfoundland and Labrador MPs

Geographic location: St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Grand Falls Canada Ottawa

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  • Funky
    July 02, 2010 - 13:33

    Howie...Dion did not lose, he won his seat in Parliament. The Liberals did not get enough seats to form the government. There are no winners or losers in Parliament. Power is shared based on the numbers of seats each party receives. The party with the most is the government, the second most, opposition.

  • speedy
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Really!!! what do you expect to accomplish from this ralley? didn't Danny do everything possible before and during the last election to stop the Prime Minister from getting a majority? It seems that Harper will get his chance when he brings in his budget in January, until then we can rant and roar all we like.

  • Beverly
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    Thank you Lana. Its because of attitudes like yours and you NDP leader Jack Layton that the NDP will never form the Government in this great country of ours.

  • Ross
    July 02, 2010 - 13:24

    I for one would love to see a NDP majority government in Ottawa. Not because I agree with their policies and views, it's because I disagree whole heartedly. Let them show us what they will do. In four years we'll see they did nothing but create chaos and people leaning a little left will finally open their eyes. If you want to have a coalition, will give up your party status and join the Liberals

  • Peter
    July 02, 2010 - 13:24

    Frank from NL, the only thing that is absurd here is you comment. blaming Harper for the current shape of the economy is not absurd, its the usual lieberal and ndp idiocy.

    as usual your type thinks the government should shovel money at everything that goes wrong with everything.

    why should the taxpayers shoulder the burden of student loans?. i did some research and your claim that higher education in the civilized world is free is a LIE. nothing new for lieberals or especially the ndp there. try again.

    was watching the new this morning. apparently GM laid off an entire shift at some plant in ontario. while interviewing some of the workers they were spitting venom at Harper as though the fact that Gm is going under is his personal fault.

    nothing was mentioned about how they have turned out nothing but garbage for years and are now paying for it. ask any one of millions and millions of canadians or americans who have ever been stuck with a piece of garbage and get their opinion on the matter.

    Most of us could not care less if the Big 3 went under entirely.

    He gave money to the banks because that was just about the only thing he could do to protect the deposits of millions of canadians. so try again there too.

    you seem to think in true ndp fashion that everyone can be paid 50 or 60K per year and the whole world will be happy.

    sorry, but the REAL world doesnt work that way. government workers dont deserve any more job security that the rest of us. rumours were swirling that they were going tog o on strike for more money in times like this.

    Harper wants to see what the new american administration is going to do before we start giving out money.

    the american congress and senate are growing increasingly hostile to their automotive industry and giving them anything. down there they have ao's of millions who are saying let them go to
    h e l l.

    if that happens then giving anything at all to their canadian operations would be like p!ssing into a hurricane. most of ti would be sucked south. so if the americans dont give anything neither should we. and again i could not possibly care less if every single one of them loses their job.

    anyone who gambled on the markets and lost got exactly what they deserve for gambling. i got my money out last year because i could see this disaster coming. anyone who held on hoping for that extra buck deserves to have lost what they did. if the retire a little later, then maybe next time they wont gamble with their money.

    one more real good one. it is coming out of ottawa that the coalition is beginning to come apart at the seams. and that comment is from a lieberal. i dont suppose it would matter to you that one of the things the lieberals had to do was promise the BLOC and immediate Billions dollars for quebec. didnt think so.

    what other bullsh!t are you ndpr's or lieberals going to think of next. not that your opinion matters anyway. jack laytong is finished after the next election.

    have fun STAYING on the opposition benches princesses.

  • Douglas
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Geeze 150 followers of Lana Payne I bet that has our Prime Minster running scared. Lana dear why dont you try doing something more constructive with your time? Perhaps you have way too mush time on your hands these days. Your famous for pointing out the faults you see in others, but rarely if ever dop you propose any solutions to the perceived problems. Typical of the true NDP followers.

  • David
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    I wonder how much press all the polls will get that were taken yesterday that showed:

    75% of Canadians DO NOT WANT A COALITION

    and

    if we went to an election today, the conservatives would get a majority.

    Yup, let the media keep pushing their left wing agenda out - 75% of Canadians are smarter than they think.

  • M
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    David B 75% of redneck Albertans may not want it, but they aren't 75% of Canada now are they. Harper doesn't hold the majority of seats(hence the minority) and most of Canada voted against him. So why should your westerners votes count more than mine? I'll use the same silly logic and say that I didn't vote for Harper so why should this fool be running the country?

  • Carol
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    Lana my love. Take a pill for God sake. The world as we know it is not about to end in spite of your gloom and doom attitude. The Prime Minister is doing everything within his power to help HE CANNOT SOLVE this problem. This is a Global problem Lana. Will you now blame Prime Minister Harper for that too? As long as the NDP has Jack Layton as leader and people like you with their collective noses up his rear end this great country of hours will never have to worry about the NDP forming a Government. Thank God for people like you Lana for constantly reminding the MAJORITY of us why we NEVER will vote NDP. At least you did that right Ms Payne. Our Church did a car wash a couple of months ago Lana and we had more than 150 people show up for that. Need I say more? Your protest ranks right up there with a parking lot car wash.

  • Frank
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    Staver:
    Firstly, his has nothing to do with Danny Williams. The people of this province are as intelligent as the rest of Canada (with the possible exception of Red Deer -- land that evolution ignored).
    Secondly, we have seen what the Conservatives have offered: NOTHING for poverty reduction, infrastructure, or for the environment. Instead he gave public money the big banks, increased military spending and, in typical right-wing form: attacked government workers and moved to take away the right to strike.
    Thirdly, suggesting that the unions manufactured the economic crisis is well absurd. Its like saying that global warming is a result of too many trees. And like with global warming, Harper denied there was a crisis until... well it was obvious and still, like with global warming, he did NOTHING, stating that we were insulated from all that.
    Fourthly, I totally agree that student loans should be abolished. I would go further and say that post-secondary education be free, as it is in the civilized world. But this wont happen because student loans are more about guaranteeing the banking sector more money.
    Finally, taking away the right to strike sets a very dangerous precedent and indicative of right-wing authoritarian regimes (then they came for the trade unionists). Why is a crime to have a decent salary and job security? I believe that ALL workers should be entitled to decent wages and working conditions. Why should the working class be told that they must settle for the lowest common denominator? I dont work for the Feds, but I wont begrudge them their situation. Even for us non-union workers, we owe them a debt of gratitude for fighting for minimum wage laws, safe working conditions, pensions, and labour legislation that protects all workers. Let the privileged classes fight their own battles.

  • Dave
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    Linda Payne is a desperate labor leader. Does a french, socialist and liberal coalition fit her style?

    This coalition will fall apart before parliament resumes. Theyare now a pack of wolves looking to get rid of poor Dion.

    A new alpha male will emerge.

  • Staver
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    Firstly, Newfoundlanders need to wake up and stop being sucked in by the ABC politics driven by Danny Williams.

    Secondly, while it is every Canadian's god given right to have the freedom to express their opinion, I think we should take a step back and be 100% about what the Conservatives have to offer (we will see this in January).

    I for one would feel ashamed to be a Canadian with a separatist party playing a major role in getting Canada through this economic crisis

    Thirdly, I think that a good part of this economic crisis has been invented by unions (such as the Canadian Auto Workers) who are the best-friends of the NDP. It is interesting that the Detroit auto makers are having records losses while other companies (like Toyota) are doing quite well.

    Fourthly, If we are going to bail-out anyone it should be the large number of young Canadian people that have student loans. Could you imagine the economic stimulus if all of a sudden young Canadians had an extra $400 - $500 a month to put back into the economy?

    Finally, I think that the Canadian Public Service Union should look at how good they have it. So what you can't strike for 3 years and so what you will only get a 1.5% raise / year. You have job security and amazing benefits - look at how many jobs people have where you are not guaranteed an increase in a given year and you have no benefits. Sometimes union people don't know how good they have it, and like many people they don't take the time to look at the situation completely.

    a citizen in St. John's that is deeply troubled by this whole mess!

  • Frank
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    I'm guessing the union (and Lana / NDP) bashers (basher?) here would have no problem working for minimum wage. Either that or they (he/she) are the CEOs who benefit from Conservative tax breaks and hand-outs. Or perhaps they're obedient little lackeys who, cowering behind the skirts of big business, big oil, and the big banks; fearlessly defend the privileges of the ruling class by casting damnation on the greedy workers.

    The interesting thing about the Toronto, Montreal, Edmonton, etc. skylines, that there are NO union buildings among them. But somehow the uppity working class is to blame for the recession. Thats rich!

  • Howie
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    Is this a dream, or did we not have an election in which a Mr. Dion lost?
    Now this is more about money lost than Mr. Harpers inability to lead OUR country.
    The NDP, Bloc, and the liberals are afraid to lose public (aka) taxpayers money to fund their parties, so most likely it would be the end of the bloc and dire straits for the liberals. So what to do what to do?
    Oh hey i gots an idea, lets pull in the seperatists yeah you remember them from back a few years past when they held all us Canadians hostage with their lil election there to leave and split up our country.
    Is to bad Mr. Creatian is still alive or he would be spinning in his grave knowing what his party is doing.
    But I digress i am sure there must be more to it , especially when big labour gets involved because they only wish to look out for us poor saddled citizens.
    So here is my thoughts, to keep Canada strong and standing free, instead of a laughing banana republic coupled with a parliamentary coup d'etat with the like of Jacko leading the spending charge cards. I ask they take down this evil govt and send us to the polls to see who we the people wish to have as PM, not some loser hand picked by power hungry back stabbing sooks.
    This is Canada, not Italy, or Thailand, let us all keep some form of dignity and eliminate the bloc from getting the lions share once more.
    C'mon Canada we are better than this.

  • Robert
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    I agree with Staver. It seems most of the comments here are not in favor of a coalition. Jack Layton is nothing but a power hungry, spot light loving moron who will do whatever it takes to be in front of a camera. Look at the way he made a point of telling everyone within earshot that he had spoken to George Bush. George Bush told me this, George Bush told me that, blah bah blah..... He got a sound round of boos for those comments from the rest of the people in parliament. George Bush wouldn't remember Layton if he smacked him in the forehead. That just really ticked me off when I heard Layton shamelessly name drop like that, and he hasn't changed since. He's still the same power hungry idiot he has always been. I used to support the NDP, but no more while Layton is leader. Same goes for Dion and the Liberals. I will never vote Liberal unless they put Ignatieff in as leader. And if we go to the polls again, this time I'm voting Conservative as should all of us just to cement a majority, and put this debate to bed for 4 years, until it's time for another election. NO COALITION!!!!!

  • Fed
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    Best bet for this country is to toss the old boys and girls club out on the street and have a government of average people that have been impacted by the current problems. For far too long now this same bunch of clowns have taken us down the path of destruction.

    What is needed now is to bring in all new people that have never held public office. Maybe a bunch of EI or wealfare recipients will do a better job.

    So far we as the so called smart voters have done a poor job in electing people that can manage anything let alone the lives and future of a people and or a country. Look at what we have voted for, a non sitting government during one of the worst times since the late 1920's. Good go Canada! We all should hang our heads in shame.

  • Andrea
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    Its nice to see Lana Payne in the arse getting the attention she has been wanting for all these years. Too bad its all for the wrong reasons.

  • Paul
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    Staver & Peter James have their heads screwed on correctly, amongst many others on this site. I thought that this would be rife with ultraunionists, but appears there may be hope for reasoned thinking.

  • Frank
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    This is indeed a real mess!! Since the speech by Stephane Dion, there has been so much infighting between the Liberals because he did such a terrible job, and they want him out..

    The coalition would not bother me, but it,s the way in which the Liberals and NDP went about it, with a seperatist who wants to see canada breakup and sink, this doesn,t make since. I could not see jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe working together, and Dion as Prime Minister.

    The Liberal Party needs to get its priorities in order if they wish to gain back the respect of Canadians. The big auto unions are not necessarily concerned as to who is in power in Ottawa as long as they get their purses filled. They have had the best benefits in the country..

    The unions destroyed England, and the same is happening in Canada. The unions are now crying foul because things are not good for them, and they want to keep things as they were. They were travelling in million dollar jets and CEO,s with million dollar salaries..Don,t blame this on the Prime Minister of Canada, blame yourselves..

    The unions around Newfoundland and Labrador are crying as well..I feel sorry for the people of Newfoundland who have to leave for Alberta as companies are closing. The unions have misled the people as well through the poor management of Industries. Those who have screwed up the system because of their GREED , are now running like a fox with their tails between their legs, in fear.

    We are to date, all HAVE NOT PROVINCES. mainly because we are losing everything..We have to stop the NDP and Liberals , and the BLOC with the whip, remarking let,s destroy Harper then Canada.
    Every ship needs a good captain, and I think we should let the PM steer us out of this storm, before we all sink. This would be a wonderful New Years wish for the Bloc. It is not a good time for change, and the PM needs to work together as a team, and not trying to destroy each other..

    Frank Blackwood
    ** faithful Liberal

  • Jim
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    We need more Lana Payne's. NL has too many, the vast majority who solve problems in store lofts, cabins, and coffee shops which have no effect. They need to write, speak in the media where their views can be heard. Or got to meetings and ecpress views. Harper cannot be trusted. This is all about TRUST. A PM who sets an election date in legislation, and ignores it, ignores, breaks the law, is an outlaw who must be brought to the ground, not wioth bullets but with ballots. Speak up people, don't hide in the sand.

  • Barhop
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    I have to say that I agree with most of what Staver posted. Lana (pain) Payne is a dyed in the wool socialist who has no problem with this coalition grabbing at the reigns of power to govern the country by any means possible. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of Harper, however the idea of Dion at the helm scares me. The last thing we need as we stare down the abyss of an economic catastrophe is a Dion sanctioned carbon tax.

    One other thing, does anybody out there really believe that Williams will get any help from the feds under a coalition government, to develope the lower Churchill, While the Bloc has a choker chain around Dion's neck?

  • Donna
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    Lana Payne in a position with some authority. That scares me. She can now say and do anything in the name of the union. Wake up Lana the UNION is the reason GFW Mill is shutting down.

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Staver, I am in total agreement with your
    comments. Well thought and well written. People do not look at the whole picture.

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Never mind Lana, the issue is that Canada effectively has no government.
    Shutting Parliment is a cowardly reaction to a problem Harper created through his own egotistical actions and Canada is paying the price.
    72,000 jobs lost in Nov and no action from the perpetually directionless Conservative Party.
    Harper has set a very dangerous precedent bordering on facism.
    A coalition government has no choice but to be representative of a wide range of views, which is the spirit of democracy, Harper wants to be a dictator and thought he had a chance to wipe out his political rivals, when they considered using democracy against his backdoor dirty politcs he removed democracy from Canada.
    Happened in Europe by an elected leader in the 30's.
    Wake up people, realize what this issue is really about.

  • Gerry
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Holy Moses 150 to 200 people showed up for Lana's party. Wow !!! What an overwhelming
    crowd of people ! That represent's what folks?
    Oh I'd say maybe the executive members of some (not all) of the Unions and a another hand-full of Lana's socialist buddies. I wonder where all the other folks were for this BIG rally? Oh I'd say maybe just using their common sense and off making more meaningful and constructive use of their time.
    They called a party and hardly anyone came .

  • Gord
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Peter James your comments are absolutely 100% correct I applaud your very well informed opinion. M from NL our vote does not count any more than yours but in Canada for the last 150 years the party with the most seats forms Goverment not the popular vote. How could you not know that, they teach that in school still don't they. Maybe you missed that grade. Or just haven't been paying attention since NL joined confederation.

  • Gord
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    Just like the one in Calgary, a few union workers show up (probably told to show up). Not exactly and show of overwhelming support for a coaliton that wanted to give a seperatist party a veto in the Canadian Parliment. In any event this deal has got the western seperatists all fired up again, if we chose to go may be NL would come with us, it would make it a lot easier for all the commuters from St Johns to Fort Mac. By the way to the guys who just lost there jobs at the pulp mill I am sorry to hear that but please come west we can put you all back to work in a matter of minutes.

  • Funky
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    David B - Where are these polls? I'm not saying they don't exist, but provide proof they exist.

    Barhop - Dion has scrapped his carbon tax plan. It was one of the conditions of the coalition.

    Whatever side you are on...get the facts straight. No one benefits for misleading partisan sound bites.

    Staver - I don't agree with everything you said...but some of it I really like. Especially the bit about removing student loans. But also remember Staver, because someone dislikes Harper doesn't automatically mean they are a Danny Williams supporter. I'm not a fan of either man and would have voted against Harper in the last election whether Danny had his little hissy fit or not. Don't paint everyone with the same brush. And while I don't agree with strikes, and unions rot my world sometimes (Grand Falls-Windsor), I don't believe any union should lose their right to strike.

  • Funky
    July 01, 2010 - 20:22

    Howie...Dion did not lose, he won his seat in Parliament. The Liberals did not get enough seats to form the government. There are no winners or losers in Parliament. Power is shared based on the numbers of seats each party receives. The party with the most is the government, the second most, opposition.

  • speedy
    July 01, 2010 - 20:15

    Really!!! what do you expect to accomplish from this ralley? didn't Danny do everything possible before and during the last election to stop the Prime Minister from getting a majority? It seems that Harper will get his chance when he brings in his budget in January, until then we can rant and roar all we like.

  • Beverly
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    Thank you Lana. Its because of attitudes like yours and you NDP leader Jack Layton that the NDP will never form the Government in this great country of ours.

  • Ross
    July 01, 2010 - 20:10

    I for one would love to see a NDP majority government in Ottawa. Not because I agree with their policies and views, it's because I disagree whole heartedly. Let them show us what they will do. In four years we'll see they did nothing but create chaos and people leaning a little left will finally open their eyes. If you want to have a coalition, will give up your party status and join the Liberals

  • Peter
    July 01, 2010 - 20:10

    Frank from NL, the only thing that is absurd here is you comment. blaming Harper for the current shape of the economy is not absurd, its the usual lieberal and ndp idiocy.

    as usual your type thinks the government should shovel money at everything that goes wrong with everything.

    why should the taxpayers shoulder the burden of student loans?. i did some research and your claim that higher education in the civilized world is free is a LIE. nothing new for lieberals or especially the ndp there. try again.

    was watching the new this morning. apparently GM laid off an entire shift at some plant in ontario. while interviewing some of the workers they were spitting venom at Harper as though the fact that Gm is going under is his personal fault.

    nothing was mentioned about how they have turned out nothing but garbage for years and are now paying for it. ask any one of millions and millions of canadians or americans who have ever been stuck with a piece of garbage and get their opinion on the matter.

    Most of us could not care less if the Big 3 went under entirely.

    He gave money to the banks because that was just about the only thing he could do to protect the deposits of millions of canadians. so try again there too.

    you seem to think in true ndp fashion that everyone can be paid 50 or 60K per year and the whole world will be happy.

    sorry, but the REAL world doesnt work that way. government workers dont deserve any more job security that the rest of us. rumours were swirling that they were going tog o on strike for more money in times like this.

    Harper wants to see what the new american administration is going to do before we start giving out money.

    the american congress and senate are growing increasingly hostile to their automotive industry and giving them anything. down there they have ao's of millions who are saying let them go to
    h e l l.

    if that happens then giving anything at all to their canadian operations would be like p!ssing into a hurricane. most of ti would be sucked south. so if the americans dont give anything neither should we. and again i could not possibly care less if every single one of them loses their job.

    anyone who gambled on the markets and lost got exactly what they deserve for gambling. i got my money out last year because i could see this disaster coming. anyone who held on hoping for that extra buck deserves to have lost what they did. if the retire a little later, then maybe next time they wont gamble with their money.

    one more real good one. it is coming out of ottawa that the coalition is beginning to come apart at the seams. and that comment is from a lieberal. i dont suppose it would matter to you that one of the things the lieberals had to do was promise the BLOC and immediate Billions dollars for quebec. didnt think so.

    what other bullsh!t are you ndpr's or lieberals going to think of next. not that your opinion matters anyway. jack laytong is finished after the next election.

    have fun STAYING on the opposition benches princesses.

  • Douglas
    July 01, 2010 - 20:06

    Geeze 150 followers of Lana Payne I bet that has our Prime Minster running scared. Lana dear why dont you try doing something more constructive with your time? Perhaps you have way too mush time on your hands these days. Your famous for pointing out the faults you see in others, but rarely if ever dop you propose any solutions to the perceived problems. Typical of the true NDP followers.

  • David
    July 01, 2010 - 20:06

    I wonder how much press all the polls will get that were taken yesterday that showed:

    75% of Canadians DO NOT WANT A COALITION

    and

    if we went to an election today, the conservatives would get a majority.

    Yup, let the media keep pushing their left wing agenda out - 75% of Canadians are smarter than they think.

  • M
    July 01, 2010 - 20:05

    David B 75% of redneck Albertans may not want it, but they aren't 75% of Canada now are they. Harper doesn't hold the majority of seats(hence the minority) and most of Canada voted against him. So why should your westerners votes count more than mine? I'll use the same silly logic and say that I didn't vote for Harper so why should this fool be running the country?

  • Carol
    July 01, 2010 - 20:05

    Lana my love. Take a pill for God sake. The world as we know it is not about to end in spite of your gloom and doom attitude. The Prime Minister is doing everything within his power to help HE CANNOT SOLVE this problem. This is a Global problem Lana. Will you now blame Prime Minister Harper for that too? As long as the NDP has Jack Layton as leader and people like you with their collective noses up his rear end this great country of hours will never have to worry about the NDP forming a Government. Thank God for people like you Lana for constantly reminding the MAJORITY of us why we NEVER will vote NDP. At least you did that right Ms Payne. Our Church did a car wash a couple of months ago Lana and we had more than 150 people show up for that. Need I say more? Your protest ranks right up there with a parking lot car wash.

  • Frank
    July 01, 2010 - 20:04

    Staver:
    Firstly, his has nothing to do with Danny Williams. The people of this province are as intelligent as the rest of Canada (with the possible exception of Red Deer -- land that evolution ignored).
    Secondly, we have seen what the Conservatives have offered: NOTHING for poverty reduction, infrastructure, or for the environment. Instead he gave public money the big banks, increased military spending and, in typical right-wing form: attacked government workers and moved to take away the right to strike.
    Thirdly, suggesting that the unions manufactured the economic crisis is well absurd. Its like saying that global warming is a result of too many trees. And like with global warming, Harper denied there was a crisis until... well it was obvious and still, like with global warming, he did NOTHING, stating that we were insulated from all that.
    Fourthly, I totally agree that student loans should be abolished. I would go further and say that post-secondary education be free, as it is in the civilized world. But this wont happen because student loans are more about guaranteeing the banking sector more money.
    Finally, taking away the right to strike sets a very dangerous precedent and indicative of right-wing authoritarian regimes (then they came for the trade unionists). Why is a crime to have a decent salary and job security? I believe that ALL workers should be entitled to decent wages and working conditions. Why should the working class be told that they must settle for the lowest common denominator? I dont work for the Feds, but I wont begrudge them their situation. Even for us non-union workers, we owe them a debt of gratitude for fighting for minimum wage laws, safe working conditions, pensions, and labour legislation that protects all workers. Let the privileged classes fight their own battles.

  • Dave
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    Linda Payne is a desperate labor leader. Does a french, socialist and liberal coalition fit her style?

    This coalition will fall apart before parliament resumes. Theyare now a pack of wolves looking to get rid of poor Dion.

    A new alpha male will emerge.

  • Staver
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    Firstly, Newfoundlanders need to wake up and stop being sucked in by the ABC politics driven by Danny Williams.

    Secondly, while it is every Canadian's god given right to have the freedom to express their opinion, I think we should take a step back and be 100% about what the Conservatives have to offer (we will see this in January).

    I for one would feel ashamed to be a Canadian with a separatist party playing a major role in getting Canada through this economic crisis

    Thirdly, I think that a good part of this economic crisis has been invented by unions (such as the Canadian Auto Workers) who are the best-friends of the NDP. It is interesting that the Detroit auto makers are having records losses while other companies (like Toyota) are doing quite well.

    Fourthly, If we are going to bail-out anyone it should be the large number of young Canadian people that have student loans. Could you imagine the economic stimulus if all of a sudden young Canadians had an extra $400 - $500 a month to put back into the economy?

    Finally, I think that the Canadian Public Service Union should look at how good they have it. So what you can't strike for 3 years and so what you will only get a 1.5% raise / year. You have job security and amazing benefits - look at how many jobs people have where you are not guaranteed an increase in a given year and you have no benefits. Sometimes union people don't know how good they have it, and like many people they don't take the time to look at the situation completely.

    a citizen in St. John's that is deeply troubled by this whole mess!

  • Frank
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    I'm guessing the union (and Lana / NDP) bashers (basher?) here would have no problem working for minimum wage. Either that or they (he/she) are the CEOs who benefit from Conservative tax breaks and hand-outs. Or perhaps they're obedient little lackeys who, cowering behind the skirts of big business, big oil, and the big banks; fearlessly defend the privileges of the ruling class by casting damnation on the greedy workers.

    The interesting thing about the Toronto, Montreal, Edmonton, etc. skylines, that there are NO union buildings among them. But somehow the uppity working class is to blame for the recession. Thats rich!

  • Howie
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    Is this a dream, or did we not have an election in which a Mr. Dion lost?
    Now this is more about money lost than Mr. Harpers inability to lead OUR country.
    The NDP, Bloc, and the liberals are afraid to lose public (aka) taxpayers money to fund their parties, so most likely it would be the end of the bloc and dire straits for the liberals. So what to do what to do?
    Oh hey i gots an idea, lets pull in the seperatists yeah you remember them from back a few years past when they held all us Canadians hostage with their lil election there to leave and split up our country.
    Is to bad Mr. Creatian is still alive or he would be spinning in his grave knowing what his party is doing.
    But I digress i am sure there must be more to it , especially when big labour gets involved because they only wish to look out for us poor saddled citizens.
    So here is my thoughts, to keep Canada strong and standing free, instead of a laughing banana republic coupled with a parliamentary coup d'etat with the like of Jacko leading the spending charge cards. I ask they take down this evil govt and send us to the polls to see who we the people wish to have as PM, not some loser hand picked by power hungry back stabbing sooks.
    This is Canada, not Italy, or Thailand, let us all keep some form of dignity and eliminate the bloc from getting the lions share once more.
    C'mon Canada we are better than this.

  • Robert
    July 01, 2010 - 19:58

    I agree with Staver. It seems most of the comments here are not in favor of a coalition. Jack Layton is nothing but a power hungry, spot light loving moron who will do whatever it takes to be in front of a camera. Look at the way he made a point of telling everyone within earshot that he had spoken to George Bush. George Bush told me this, George Bush told me that, blah bah blah..... He got a sound round of boos for those comments from the rest of the people in parliament. George Bush wouldn't remember Layton if he smacked him in the forehead. That just really ticked me off when I heard Layton shamelessly name drop like that, and he hasn't changed since. He's still the same power hungry idiot he has always been. I used to support the NDP, but no more while Layton is leader. Same goes for Dion and the Liberals. I will never vote Liberal unless they put Ignatieff in as leader. And if we go to the polls again, this time I'm voting Conservative as should all of us just to cement a majority, and put this debate to bed for 4 years, until it's time for another election. NO COALITION!!!!!

  • Fed
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    Best bet for this country is to toss the old boys and girls club out on the street and have a government of average people that have been impacted by the current problems. For far too long now this same bunch of clowns have taken us down the path of destruction.

    What is needed now is to bring in all new people that have never held public office. Maybe a bunch of EI or wealfare recipients will do a better job.

    So far we as the so called smart voters have done a poor job in electing people that can manage anything let alone the lives and future of a people and or a country. Look at what we have voted for, a non sitting government during one of the worst times since the late 1920's. Good go Canada! We all should hang our heads in shame.

  • Andrea
    July 01, 2010 - 19:56

    Its nice to see Lana Payne in the arse getting the attention she has been wanting for all these years. Too bad its all for the wrong reasons.

  • Paul
    July 01, 2010 - 19:55

    Staver & Peter James have their heads screwed on correctly, amongst many others on this site. I thought that this would be rife with ultraunionists, but appears there may be hope for reasoned thinking.

  • Frank
    July 01, 2010 - 19:55

    This is indeed a real mess!! Since the speech by Stephane Dion, there has been so much infighting between the Liberals because he did such a terrible job, and they want him out..

    The coalition would not bother me, but it,s the way in which the Liberals and NDP went about it, with a seperatist who wants to see canada breakup and sink, this doesn,t make since. I could not see jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe working together, and Dion as Prime Minister.

    The Liberal Party needs to get its priorities in order if they wish to gain back the respect of Canadians. The big auto unions are not necessarily concerned as to who is in power in Ottawa as long as they get their purses filled. They have had the best benefits in the country..

    The unions destroyed England, and the same is happening in Canada. The unions are now crying foul because things are not good for them, and they want to keep things as they were. They were travelling in million dollar jets and CEO,s with million dollar salaries..Don,t blame this on the Prime Minister of Canada, blame yourselves..

    The unions around Newfoundland and Labrador are crying as well..I feel sorry for the people of Newfoundland who have to leave for Alberta as companies are closing. The unions have misled the people as well through the poor management of Industries. Those who have screwed up the system because of their GREED , are now running like a fox with their tails between their legs, in fear.

    We are to date, all HAVE NOT PROVINCES. mainly because we are losing everything..We have to stop the NDP and Liberals , and the BLOC with the whip, remarking let,s destroy Harper then Canada.
    Every ship needs a good captain, and I think we should let the PM steer us out of this storm, before we all sink. This would be a wonderful New Years wish for the Bloc. It is not a good time for change, and the PM needs to work together as a team, and not trying to destroy each other..

    Frank Blackwood
    ** faithful Liberal

  • Jim
    July 01, 2010 - 19:55

    We need more Lana Payne's. NL has too many, the vast majority who solve problems in store lofts, cabins, and coffee shops which have no effect. They need to write, speak in the media where their views can be heard. Or got to meetings and ecpress views. Harper cannot be trusted. This is all about TRUST. A PM who sets an election date in legislation, and ignores it, ignores, breaks the law, is an outlaw who must be brought to the ground, not wioth bullets but with ballots. Speak up people, don't hide in the sand.

  • Barhop
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    I have to say that I agree with most of what Staver posted. Lana (pain) Payne is a dyed in the wool socialist who has no problem with this coalition grabbing at the reigns of power to govern the country by any means possible. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of Harper, however the idea of Dion at the helm scares me. The last thing we need as we stare down the abyss of an economic catastrophe is a Dion sanctioned carbon tax.

    One other thing, does anybody out there really believe that Williams will get any help from the feds under a coalition government, to develope the lower Churchill, While the Bloc has a choker chain around Dion's neck?

  • Donna
    July 01, 2010 - 19:51

    Lana Payne in a position with some authority. That scares me. She can now say and do anything in the name of the union. Wake up Lana the UNION is the reason GFW Mill is shutting down.

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    Staver, I am in total agreement with your
    comments. Well thought and well written. People do not look at the whole picture.

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 19:47

    Never mind Lana, the issue is that Canada effectively has no government.
    Shutting Parliment is a cowardly reaction to a problem Harper created through his own egotistical actions and Canada is paying the price.
    72,000 jobs lost in Nov and no action from the perpetually directionless Conservative Party.
    Harper has set a very dangerous precedent bordering on facism.
    A coalition government has no choice but to be representative of a wide range of views, which is the spirit of democracy, Harper wants to be a dictator and thought he had a chance to wipe out his political rivals, when they considered using democracy against his backdoor dirty politcs he removed democracy from Canada.
    Happened in Europe by an elected leader in the 30's.
    Wake up people, realize what this issue is really about.

  • Gerry
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    Holy Moses 150 to 200 people showed up for Lana's party. Wow !!! What an overwhelming
    crowd of people ! That represent's what folks?
    Oh I'd say maybe the executive members of some (not all) of the Unions and a another hand-full of Lana's socialist buddies. I wonder where all the other folks were for this BIG rally? Oh I'd say maybe just using their common sense and off making more meaningful and constructive use of their time.
    They called a party and hardly anyone came .

  • Gord
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    Peter James your comments are absolutely 100% correct I applaud your very well informed opinion. M from NL our vote does not count any more than yours but in Canada for the last 150 years the party with the most seats forms Goverment not the popular vote. How could you not know that, they teach that in school still don't they. Maybe you missed that grade. Or just haven't been paying attention since NL joined confederation.

  • Gord
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    Just like the one in Calgary, a few union workers show up (probably told to show up). Not exactly and show of overwhelming support for a coaliton that wanted to give a seperatist party a veto in the Canadian Parliment. In any event this deal has got the western seperatists all fired up again, if we chose to go may be NL would come with us, it would make it a lot easier for all the commuters from St Johns to Fort Mac. By the way to the guys who just lost there jobs at the pulp mill I am sorry to hear that but please come west we can put you all back to work in a matter of minutes.

  • Funky
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    David B - Where are these polls? I'm not saying they don't exist, but provide proof they exist.

    Barhop - Dion has scrapped his carbon tax plan. It was one of the conditions of the coalition.

    Whatever side you are on...get the facts straight. No one benefits for misleading partisan sound bites.

    Staver - I don't agree with everything you said...but some of it I really like. Especially the bit about removing student loans. But also remember Staver, because someone dislikes Harper doesn't automatically mean they are a Danny Williams supporter. I'm not a fan of either man and would have voted against Harper in the last election whether Danny had his little hissy fit or not. Don't paint everyone with the same brush. And while I don't agree with strikes, and unions rot my world sometimes (Grand Falls-Windsor), I don't believe any union should lose their right to strike.