Paradise no longer lost for Wiseman

Barb Sweet & James McLeod
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Judicial recount confirms tie; town clerk swears in council

Moments after being sworn in as the mayor of Paradise, Ralph Wiseman read a formal statement and then opened up the council meeting into an impromptu news conference.

The unusual move was just the latest in a long line of unlikely events in the two weeks since voting in the Paradise municipal election.

Before a judicial recount of the Paradise mayoralty began in court Tuesday, Ralph Wiseman (left) shares a bench with Kurtis Coombs. - Photo by Barb Sweet/The Telegram

Moments after being sworn in as the mayor of Paradise, Ralph Wiseman read a formal statement and then opened up the council meeting into an impromptu news conference.

The unusual move was just the latest in a long line of unlikely events in the two weeks since voting in the Paradise municipal election.

Earlier in the day, a tie vote in the mayor's race was confirmed by Judge David Orr in a judicial recount at provincial court in St. John's.

Orr then put the ball back in the court of returning officer Joyce Moss, who decided an Oct. 1 draw - where she drew Wiseman's name out of a recycling bin - was final, and Wiseman was, in fact, the mayor in accordance with the Municipal Elections Act.

Tuesday night's council meeting was held up the road from the town hall at the Rotary Paradise Youth Centre.

About 30 citizens and seven members of the media showed up for the meeting, more than the normal council chamber could hold.

With 19-year-old mayoral challenger Kurtis Coombs sitting in the audience, Wiseman and the rest of the council was sworn in by Moss, and then Wiseman read his statement.

He acknowledged the controversy surrounding the election, and said he accepted the legal decisions.

Taking questions from the media, he defended his mandate to govern Paradise.

"The facts we have before you is this, that 19 per cent of the people of Paradise chose to vote for me, 19 per cent of the people of Paradise chose to vote for Mr. Coombs, and 62 per cent had no opinion," he said.

"We have to find that balance. We need a fire department, we need an arena, we need a swimming pool, we need road improvements, we need water and sewer and the list goes on. Whoever is here, it's a huge challenge, and I believe that the majority of people understand that we can't fix everything overnight," Wiseman read from a prepared statement.

In the Sept. 29 election results, Coombs came out the winner by three votes. Wiseman sought an official recount by the town that resulted in a tie with his name being drawn Oct. 1 to break the tie, as required under the Municipal Elections Act.

Coombs then sought a judicial recount.

But Coombs' lawyer, Eli Baker, said Tuesday there must be a new draw now based on the court's tie result.

"She's got to draw a name out of a hat (again) - the law requires her to do so," Baker said outside provincial court hours before Wiseman was sworn in.

"If they don't do that, we're going to challenge it," Baker said.

At the evening meeting, Coombs said he would, in fact, appeal the ruling to the Newfoundland and Labrador Supreme Court.

Moss, also the town clerk, told The Telegram that as far as she was concerned, the draw had been held already.

Paradise town lawyer Steve Penney confirmed that assertion.

"The outcome is exactly the same when I did it a week ago," Moss said.

Coombs has stated several times - and repeated Tuesday evening - that he would like to see the residents of Paradise vote over again, an avenue the Municipal Elections Act does not allow for.

But after the meeting, Coombs was not entirely down on Wiseman, saying he felt the process had humbled the mayor.

"He's really seeing that the people of Paradise have a problem with the status quo, and that's a step in the right direction," he said. "I'm very happy in that regard."

The judicial recount began early Tuesday morning with Paradise municipal enforcement officers delivering 25 sealed ballot boxes to the court.

Orr watched the count intently from the bench as Coombs stood, taking notes alongside the count. Wiseman sat at the back of the court. By the time the boxes were counted, Coombs stood at 1,819 and Wiseman, 1,817.

Eight ballots were in dispute and Orr ruled on them over the lunch period, deciding the final tally was 1,821 to 1,821.

"It's not the result I was hoping for at the end of the day. I have faith in the courts and I respect Judge Orr's decision," Coombs said of the tie vote.

"As long as everything was done correctly as we've seen today, I'm happy. As long as voices are being heard, I'm content with that."

But Coombs wasn't impressed with the town's next step of swearing council in Tuesday evening.

"As long as I have the money and as long as I have a reason, I'm going to fight this," Coombs said outside court.

Municipal Affairs meanwhile said Tuesday the Municipal Elections Act seems to be open to interpretation with what to do after a tie resulting from a judicial recount and it's seeking its own opinion.

As far as Wiseman's swearing-in goes, the department had no problem with that, as councils have to be legally sworn in within 14 days of an election.

The department also said the Supreme Court is an avenue for Coombs to pursue the matter.

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Organizations: Rotary Paradise Youth Centre, Supreme Court, The Telegram

Geographic location: Paradise, St. John's

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  • Margaret
    July 02, 2010 - 13:35

    Kurtis, are you genuinely concerned about the mayor's position, with the huge responsibilities it will entail, or do you just want to be known as
    THE YOUNGEST MAYOR IN CANADA ?
    Leave it alone for now and run again when you're twenty-three, or even older. This is not child's play.

  • not even a town
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    Heck...all this fuss over the mayors job, and Paradise is not even a proper town. what is even stranger is that there are those who feel Paradise is close to city status, what a joke. No ammenities and Paradise is a city?

  • Keepin' It Real
    July 02, 2010 - 13:32

    Nate just LOVES the word dictator. Why don't you crack open a dictionary or an encyclopedia or even use Google and find out what the word actually means, Nate?

  • Graham
    July 02, 2010 - 13:31

    the lack of life experience is what makes coombs so attractive because he is not tainted or corrupt and has had no time to become part of a good old boys club, which makes him fresh and honest and he would take a modern approach without any baggage of spite knowing everyone in paradise wants to knock him over like they do with unwiseman

    i see unwisemans good old boys club is busy this morning spitting out the same old lame rehashed excuses in his support. we see through this its like water off a ducks back

  • Bob
    July 02, 2010 - 13:31

    It is time for Mr. Coombs to decide what is his position. Initially it was that a draw from 'a hat' was inappropriate to decide a tie. Now it is that a draw from a hat must be done following the judicial recount. Make up your mind Kurtis! Decide upon a position and stick with it, otherwise I must conclude that as Mayor your decisions would have been opportunistic and not based upon fact or law.

  • Voter
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    I have no problem with how this worked out. Both candidates got the message; Wiseman is a jackass and no one likes him, but we're not about to turn our town over to a 19 year old kid who just wants to be able to walk away in 4 years after being defeated for re-election knowing that he'll always be able to put Canada's youngest mayor on his resume.

  • dana
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    Why should the government have to pay for another election? Maybe more residents of Paradise will get of the couch and go vote next time. Maybe this will encourage them to do so. If you dont vote, you dont get a say and you still shouldnt. You didnt care enough the 1st time to vote and you should have a choice again if by some chance another election is called. In my opinion, Coombs is now looking like a whiny child that hasnt gotten his own way.

  • Calvin
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Did anyone else see the Telegram poll asking if anyone thinks Wiseman is the peoples choice for mayor of Paradise? 77% say NO!! Mr. Wiseman should enjoy his time as mayor, because he will never be voted in again.

  • b
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    I can't help but wonder if Kurtis Coombs folks (espicially his mother) are the one's pushing Kurtis to take this to it's ultimate extreme.

    To those from Paradise, you have all these issues to complain about (lack of ... fire services, water, sewer, schools, pool, arena, shopping etc) and yet you did not think it was important enough to get off your duffs and vote, too dam bad for you, suck it up.

    why any young family would decide to buy a home in a place which has very little to offer a young family is beyond me.

  • Les
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    I think people who refer to Coombs as a child are very immature for whatever age they may be, and disqualify their very own ignorant comments. Everyone knows the age of majority is 18 and before the eyes of the law you are a child no more, but an adult. Although, some have argued Wiseman acted like a child when he would not graciously accept defeat, as experience should have taught him it would have been the mature and honourable thing to do. But Wiseman is not a child, he too is of the age of majority.

    Hey Barry from NL tell us who it was who talked about HIS parking spot and talked about HIS mayor's chair ? Now what does that sound like ? But apparently, by your own admission, you play with dinkies and tonka trucks.

    See what I mean about these commenters ? They discredit themselves.

    We need to see section 60 lawfully implemented and not superceded by a mere town clerk's fancies.

  • Kelly
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    It's too bad that Mr. Coombs lost this flip of the coin. I think he would have made a good mayor - articulate and smart. However, I think he should take this experience and start campaigning now for the next election. Get your face out there, do good things or continue to do good for your community. I think next time you'll be a shoe in for mayor. Communities need youth as well as older experience in their councils. Good luck in the next election and let's hope that people actually get out and vote next time.

  • Bren
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Mr. Coombs should let this be a lesson to just suck it up and try again the next time round. He will be more educated and more mature anyways. AS for those guys on here its time for ye to take your fight somewhere else and stop trying to ruin a good article with your he said/she said childishness!!!!!

  • Saucy Face
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Paradise, eastern Canada's fastest growing bedroom community

    Now it's known as:

    Paradise, eastern Canada's fastest
    growing Newfie joke.

    Last week a local reporter in Ottawa compared what happened in Paradise to the 2000 US Presidential election and said that:
    Mr. Wiseman = George W. Bush
    Mr. Coombs = Al Gore

  • Barry
    July 02, 2010 - 13:24

    Kurtis take your dinkies and tonka trucks and go home, its over, we don't want to play with you anymore.

  • Lionel
    July 02, 2010 - 13:24

    Mr. Coombs appears to be full of contradiction. I believe it is time for him to take a step back and reflect on the situation. His call for a re-vote or re-election because the people of Paradise voices have not been heard is misleading. Their voices have been heard. They were heard in the vote that resulted in the tie. Unfortunately, only 38% of eleigible voters wanted their voices to be heard.

    What I would like to hear from Mr. Coombs is his solution to a tie vote. Would the re-vote be just between the tied candidates? What if there had been more than two candidates in the original election? Would other candidates be able to join the new election? We need a solution for not just the Paradise solution, but for the Province and Country (8 other Provinces have the same legislation on the tied vote).

    Or should the entire election be run again, because you would have the situation where the council was elected by one set of voters and the mayoralty elected by another set of voters?

    My suggestion to solve a similar issue would be that where an incumbent is involved, the incumbent would retain their seat because they were NOT defeated. Similar to having a tied motion tabled at a council meeting. If the motion is tied, status quo is retained.

    If no incumbent is involved with the tied vote the current rules apply. i.e. draw a name.

    There may be no easy solution for this rare occurrence, but I believe Mr. Coombs will better serve his constituents by working for a solution to the issue rather than pursuing the path he currently seems to headed down.

  • L
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    My question is....Who's paying for the lawyers involved. Is it these guys themselves or taxpayers!!!

  • Telling it
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    Oh and one more thing.

    A whopping 77% of respondents on today's Telegram poll do NOT consider Mayor Wiseman the true mayor of Paradise.

    Wow...if only there was some way that 77% could have changed that.

    If only some way, they could decide who would be in charge....

    If only some way they could collectively cast their opinion or choice as to who should be selected to be in the mayor's chair.

    wow...if only indeed.

    Until someone figures out how to accomplish that task I guess Ralph Wiseman will continue to be Mayor of Florida, uh, I mean Paradise.

  • don
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    Cant that immature whiner go away please. You lost. life's nor fair sometimes. You lost. Go away.

  • Mark
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Much as I disagree with Coombs' flopping aroundo n the validity of the tiebreaking method, his lawyer has a very valid point.
    Section 65(2) of the Act deals with the eventuality of a tie following a judicial recount. It says:
    (2) In the event of a tie the election of a candidate shall be carried out by the returning officer in the same manner as provided in section 60.
    This appeal may seem frivolous, but it's a fair interpretation of the clause.
    The section is terribly worded and ambiguous at best.
    Maybe the MHAs who rubber stamped this bill in 2001 never bothered to read it before they voted.

  • Nasty
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    Keepin' It Real from NL writes: Nate just LOVES the word dictator. Why don't you crack open a dictionary or an encyclopedia or even use Google and find out what the word actually means, Nate?

    Mine shows a photo of Danny Williams and Kurtis Coombs.

    Or this since it seems to describe Newfoundland Politics to a T.

    a). To prescribe with authority; impose: dictated the rules of the game.

    [Latin dict?re, dict?t-, frequentative of d?cere, to say.]

    SYNONYMS dictate, decree, impose, ordain, prescribe. These verbs mean to set forth expressly and authoritatively: victors dictating the terms of surrender; martial law decreed by the governor; impose obedience; a separation seemingly ordained by fate; taxes prescribed by law.

    So you see those that refer to these types as little dictators are correct for doing so. Maybe you should have do the research in advance of the comment, much in the same as Kurtis should have done his.

  • Telling it
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    While I appreciate the fact the Mayor Elect wants to put this behind everyone and get down to business, I would like to point out that George W. Bush acted just as whiny during the 2000 Elections and look what happened to him.

  • ³
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    Telling it Like it Is from St. Johns, NL have you thought that 77% could possibly have included people OUTSIDE Paradise ? Wake up, you don't know what you are talking about.

    I think it's great that Coombs is taking Wiseman to task on his own recount and proper use of law. Tit-for-tat I say. All's fair in love and war. Play Wiseman's game against him - nice move.

    What really bothers me is here we count the ballots again and get yet another result. Why can't the number of disputed ballots remain the same ?
    Casting ballots for elections is clearly not scientific and is subject to interpretion.

    Next election let's just skip the casting of ballots part and subjectively interpret who wins.

    Wiseman had his chance in office, he and his wife's decisions were not liked (they only benefited him and his wife), and now it's someone else's turn.

    And... Nasty Nate/Graham is still an idiot who cannot comprehend what he reads and embarasses himself when he posts the definition of dictator and thinks he proved to us how he was right. Absolutely Priceless. That was quite an interpretation there all on it's own ! LMAO!!! Do you hear voices in your head ?

  • fishman
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    I think it is time for Kurtis to drop this foolishness. What will another draw do, it was already done on the first tie. If I can recall last week they were soliciting for funds to take this to court, now he is saying he will fight this As long as I have the money . Kurtis is'nt it the publics money you plan on using.

  • Jeff
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    Mr. Coombs, you're not ready to be a mayor.

  • STOP THE RACKET
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    Keepin it real. DICTATOR...One who dictates,with absolute power and controll. In other words anny Williams. Not Mr Coombs. Mr Coombs is an excellent example of openess and honesty a rarity at ant level of government these days.

  • Leah
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    Ahhh, Steve from NL, you made me laugh, but I think you're right on.

  • Bob
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    If one person feels that their right to vote was denied for whatever reason, and regardless of who he or she was going to vote for, the election could be deemed controvertible. That would seem to imply that the Department of Municipal Affairs could call for another election.

    Im just sayin

  • charlie
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    Suck it up Buttercup. you lost, move on. but don't give up. wait until you have some life experiences under your belt, and then run again. who knows, we may be looking at the next premier of the province...good run, but time to let it go.

  • Katherine
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    This article from Transcontential Media paper The New Glasgow News might be of interest to show the character of the potential mayor, Rhonda Chancey.

    http://www.ngnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=268354&sc=49

  • Concerned
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    Mr. Coombs, please look at this as a growing stage in your life. You should start from the ground floor up not at the top. I have no doubt you will be good for Paradise in the future. Mr. Wiseman will more than lightly retire next term.
    Let him do the job needed right now for the people of Paradise. I think you have taught him a lesson.
    Now go complete your education and enjoy youth.

  • Darren
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    I really don't care about Paradise because it is far from that, just drive through it, yuck. However, it is the interpretation of the law that Mr. Coombs is contesting, not the result. So Mr. Mercer (maybe the former lib MHA from out there?), fishman and others, inform yourself more fully. Read more than one article before you start yapping and supporting your old buddies.

  • sandy
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    The Municipal Act of NL provides for a recount of votes when there is a tie. (sec 62.2 for mayor) and sec 64 for a JUDICIAL RECOUNT, which is what was done in Paradise by Judge Orr on Tuesday Oct 13, 2009. The procedures to follow when there is a Tie Vote is Section 60; which calls for a draw, even in the Judicial Recount. That is why the tie under a Judicial Recount is referred back to sec 60, to have a draw, even if it is a second draw.

    The Judicial Recount declaration of results on Tuesday Oct 13, is covered in sec 65. It states that should a Judicial Recount result in a tie, which it did, then Sec 60 will apply. This section states that in the case of a tie there must be a draw to select the candidate for mayor. The intent of these sections is very clear....there must be a draw to see who will be the new mayor of Paradise.

    Now why is there a question of interpretation and why do officials at the Dept of Municipalities suggest that this should go to the Supreme Court.?? Why didn't Judge Orr direct the Returning officer to comply with Section 60? Do have a legislation that can confuse something as how to deal with a TIE vote? If we do then what is it that Danny said about the Health Care Managers...so it should be said of the legal staff for the Dept of Municipalities!

    All the discussion as to whether a draw in the event of a tie is good or bad, is not an issue right now, in determining the new major for Paradise. The draw procedure is the current law, and may need to be reviewed. But for now, it must be followed.

    There are comments about Mr Coombs in that he now wants a draw whereas he has expressed his dislike for the law. So what...there are many laws that we all dislike, but will apply them to our own situations whenever required. He has an obligation for himself and his supporters to follow the law as it is now, and to work to have the law improved. The two can be done concurrently.

    Now Mr Ralph Wiseman, should have received the message by now. A man with his background and a household name with the voters of Paradise could do no better than a TIE with a young, unknown, inexperienced 19 year old. This sends a clear message to Mr Wiseman that you are clearly not the choice of Paradies voters, in spite of your tie.

  • Donny
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    The folks of Paradise found an articulate teenager, in a community full of hoodie wearing goofy troubled teens. He speaks so well they say and that's a rarity.
    In a blind man's world; the one eyed man is king!

  • Taxpayer
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    As usual dildodonney is right on the mark. I also have to give props to the tele for that photo, it's pricless, like two perps waiting to be sentenced. LMAO

  • Shawn
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    So to recap... The people vote, kid wins.
    Recount, tie, random selection, old man wins.
    Recount, tie, ... Old man wins?!

    Come on Paradise, there comes a point when rewriting the rules makes sense...

  • bayman
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Kurtis ... keep fighting this ... it may not be easy though, with Joyce Moss and the rest of the council in the back pocket of Ralph Wiseman ... as for all you people that don't like it .... TOUGH ... this is a very crapy way to decide a mayor ... If Ralph Wiseman was a gentleman ... he would ask for another vote ... But hes not a gentleman ... he won't ask for another vote ... because hes just a crooked old man with a chip on his shoulder and the knowledge that most people in paradise DON'T WANT HIM !!

  • Mike
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    I can say it is upseting to see that Mr. Coombs age is being brought into this. They fact is he ran a great race and got a tie vote. Something to be very proud of for sure, and he is following protocol to unsure his rights as a candidate are upheld. Maybe if more people around here stood up for what they beleive in rather than trash others for having ambition we wouldn't be in such a position where less than 1/2 of a town bothers to vote on their future.

  • Steve
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    When I was 19, the only money I was worried about was having enough money at the start of the semester for tuition and books and 4 months at the Breezeway. I'm not sure if Mr. Coombs deserves to be commended for this or smacked upside the head.

  • Bert
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    So graham you are calling yourself Nasty Nate today!! Either alter ego still trys to find a way in either story to talk about Danny. Never mine that the story is not about the premier.

  • Nasty
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Ok kid you lost. You thought the idea of a draw was archaic when you lost, but now you want it to happen again. The people of Paradise should consider themselves very lucky they do not have to deal with such an immature child for the next four years.

    So where can we file for an injunction to keep you and your foolishness from the public? You are playing with people's homes and futures. Something you still need to work towards before you get to dictate to others. Kurtis stop trying to be a little dictator wanna-bee, and complete your education, pay for a home and pay the taxes that would give you the right to be a mayor or anything.

  • bob
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    What is really wrong about his whole situation is that Joyce Moss did not do another draw. She knew the result of the first draw, before the second recount. So rather than have a new draw as is required, she choose to use the origonal draw. She already knew the results of that draw, so she in fact by choosing to use that result, knew what the outcome would be. Result, the mayor of Paradise was choosen by one person, not the result of a random draw. That fact that the Joyce Moss had already worked (infacto) for Mr. Wisemen in the past (as he was mayor), makes the optics of this look really bad.

    Mr. Wiseman may do a good job, but this whole experience shows what can happen when rules are not specific in the event of a tie.

    Still, it seems to me that Joyce Moss should not have been given the final say in this matter. Even if she picked Coombs, it is still a coin toss. There has to be a better way...


    It is terrible that the mayor of this community is only going to represent 19 percent of voters (even if Coombs won). What a poor turnout. So, maybe next time all the voters who are mad should get out and vote.

  • Paradise Found
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    It's time for Coombs to give it up, enough of the crybaby stuff.
    When I first heard he had won I was happy to see someone so young taking an interest in municipal politics but now I actually see what someone so young does when they lose...cry alot.
    I really don't think the people of Paradise would elect Coombs now after seeing this side of him....too sad

  • Margaret
    July 01, 2010 - 20:25

    Kurtis, are you genuinely concerned about the mayor's position, with the huge responsibilities it will entail, or do you just want to be known as
    THE YOUNGEST MAYOR IN CANADA ?
    Leave it alone for now and run again when you're twenty-three, or even older. This is not child's play.

  • not even a town
    July 01, 2010 - 20:23

    Heck...all this fuss over the mayors job, and Paradise is not even a proper town. what is even stranger is that there are those who feel Paradise is close to city status, what a joke. No ammenities and Paradise is a city?

  • Keepin' It Real
    July 01, 2010 - 20:21

    Nate just LOVES the word dictator. Why don't you crack open a dictionary or an encyclopedia or even use Google and find out what the word actually means, Nate?

  • Graham
    July 01, 2010 - 20:20

    the lack of life experience is what makes coombs so attractive because he is not tainted or corrupt and has had no time to become part of a good old boys club, which makes him fresh and honest and he would take a modern approach without any baggage of spite knowing everyone in paradise wants to knock him over like they do with unwiseman

    i see unwisemans good old boys club is busy this morning spitting out the same old lame rehashed excuses in his support. we see through this its like water off a ducks back

  • Bob
    July 01, 2010 - 20:19

    It is time for Mr. Coombs to decide what is his position. Initially it was that a draw from 'a hat' was inappropriate to decide a tie. Now it is that a draw from a hat must be done following the judicial recount. Make up your mind Kurtis! Decide upon a position and stick with it, otherwise I must conclude that as Mayor your decisions would have been opportunistic and not based upon fact or law.

  • Voter
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    I have no problem with how this worked out. Both candidates got the message; Wiseman is a jackass and no one likes him, but we're not about to turn our town over to a 19 year old kid who just wants to be able to walk away in 4 years after being defeated for re-election knowing that he'll always be able to put Canada's youngest mayor on his resume.

  • dana
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    Why should the government have to pay for another election? Maybe more residents of Paradise will get of the couch and go vote next time. Maybe this will encourage them to do so. If you dont vote, you dont get a say and you still shouldnt. You didnt care enough the 1st time to vote and you should have a choice again if by some chance another election is called. In my opinion, Coombs is now looking like a whiny child that hasnt gotten his own way.

  • Calvin
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    Did anyone else see the Telegram poll asking if anyone thinks Wiseman is the peoples choice for mayor of Paradise? 77% say NO!! Mr. Wiseman should enjoy his time as mayor, because he will never be voted in again.

  • b
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    I can't help but wonder if Kurtis Coombs folks (espicially his mother) are the one's pushing Kurtis to take this to it's ultimate extreme.

    To those from Paradise, you have all these issues to complain about (lack of ... fire services, water, sewer, schools, pool, arena, shopping etc) and yet you did not think it was important enough to get off your duffs and vote, too dam bad for you, suck it up.

    why any young family would decide to buy a home in a place which has very little to offer a young family is beyond me.

  • Les
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    I think people who refer to Coombs as a child are very immature for whatever age they may be, and disqualify their very own ignorant comments. Everyone knows the age of majority is 18 and before the eyes of the law you are a child no more, but an adult. Although, some have argued Wiseman acted like a child when he would not graciously accept defeat, as experience should have taught him it would have been the mature and honourable thing to do. But Wiseman is not a child, he too is of the age of majority.

    Hey Barry from NL tell us who it was who talked about HIS parking spot and talked about HIS mayor's chair ? Now what does that sound like ? But apparently, by your own admission, you play with dinkies and tonka trucks.

    See what I mean about these commenters ? They discredit themselves.

    We need to see section 60 lawfully implemented and not superceded by a mere town clerk's fancies.

  • Kelly
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    It's too bad that Mr. Coombs lost this flip of the coin. I think he would have made a good mayor - articulate and smart. However, I think he should take this experience and start campaigning now for the next election. Get your face out there, do good things or continue to do good for your community. I think next time you'll be a shoe in for mayor. Communities need youth as well as older experience in their councils. Good luck in the next election and let's hope that people actually get out and vote next time.

  • Bren
    July 01, 2010 - 20:12

    Mr. Coombs should let this be a lesson to just suck it up and try again the next time round. He will be more educated and more mature anyways. AS for those guys on here its time for ye to take your fight somewhere else and stop trying to ruin a good article with your he said/she said childishness!!!!!

  • Saucy Face
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    Paradise, eastern Canada's fastest growing bedroom community

    Now it's known as:

    Paradise, eastern Canada's fastest
    growing Newfie joke.

    Last week a local reporter in Ottawa compared what happened in Paradise to the 2000 US Presidential election and said that:
    Mr. Wiseman = George W. Bush
    Mr. Coombs = Al Gore

  • Barry
    July 01, 2010 - 20:10

    Kurtis take your dinkies and tonka trucks and go home, its over, we don't want to play with you anymore.

  • Lionel
    July 01, 2010 - 20:09

    Mr. Coombs appears to be full of contradiction. I believe it is time for him to take a step back and reflect on the situation. His call for a re-vote or re-election because the people of Paradise voices have not been heard is misleading. Their voices have been heard. They were heard in the vote that resulted in the tie. Unfortunately, only 38% of eleigible voters wanted their voices to be heard.

    What I would like to hear from Mr. Coombs is his solution to a tie vote. Would the re-vote be just between the tied candidates? What if there had been more than two candidates in the original election? Would other candidates be able to join the new election? We need a solution for not just the Paradise solution, but for the Province and Country (8 other Provinces have the same legislation on the tied vote).

    Or should the entire election be run again, because you would have the situation where the council was elected by one set of voters and the mayoralty elected by another set of voters?

    My suggestion to solve a similar issue would be that where an incumbent is involved, the incumbent would retain their seat because they were NOT defeated. Similar to having a tied motion tabled at a council meeting. If the motion is tied, status quo is retained.

    If no incumbent is involved with the tied vote the current rules apply. i.e. draw a name.

    There may be no easy solution for this rare occurrence, but I believe Mr. Coombs will better serve his constituents by working for a solution to the issue rather than pursuing the path he currently seems to headed down.

  • L
    July 01, 2010 - 20:09

    My question is....Who's paying for the lawyers involved. Is it these guys themselves or taxpayers!!!

  • don
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    Cant that immature whiner go away please. You lost. life's nor fair sometimes. You lost. Go away.

  • Telling it
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    Oh and one more thing.

    A whopping 77% of respondents on today's Telegram poll do NOT consider Mayor Wiseman the true mayor of Paradise.

    Wow...if only there was some way that 77% could have changed that.

    If only some way, they could decide who would be in charge....

    If only some way they could collectively cast their opinion or choice as to who should be selected to be in the mayor's chair.

    wow...if only indeed.

    Until someone figures out how to accomplish that task I guess Ralph Wiseman will continue to be Mayor of Florida, uh, I mean Paradise.

  • Mark
    July 01, 2010 - 20:06

    Much as I disagree with Coombs' flopping aroundo n the validity of the tiebreaking method, his lawyer has a very valid point.
    Section 65(2) of the Act deals with the eventuality of a tie following a judicial recount. It says:
    (2) In the event of a tie the election of a candidate shall be carried out by the returning officer in the same manner as provided in section 60.
    This appeal may seem frivolous, but it's a fair interpretation of the clause.
    The section is terribly worded and ambiguous at best.
    Maybe the MHAs who rubber stamped this bill in 2001 never bothered to read it before they voted.

  • Nasty
    July 01, 2010 - 20:05

    Keepin' It Real from NL writes: Nate just LOVES the word dictator. Why don't you crack open a dictionary or an encyclopedia or even use Google and find out what the word actually means, Nate?

    Mine shows a photo of Danny Williams and Kurtis Coombs.

    Or this since it seems to describe Newfoundland Politics to a T.

    a). To prescribe with authority; impose: dictated the rules of the game.

    [Latin dict?re, dict?t-, frequentative of d?cere, to say.]

    SYNONYMS dictate, decree, impose, ordain, prescribe. These verbs mean to set forth expressly and authoritatively: victors dictating the terms of surrender; martial law decreed by the governor; impose obedience; a separation seemingly ordained by fate; taxes prescribed by law.

    So you see those that refer to these types as little dictators are correct for doing so. Maybe you should have do the research in advance of the comment, much in the same as Kurtis should have done his.

  • Telling it
    July 01, 2010 - 20:04

    While I appreciate the fact the Mayor Elect wants to put this behind everyone and get down to business, I would like to point out that George W. Bush acted just as whiny during the 2000 Elections and look what happened to him.

  • ³
    July 01, 2010 - 20:04

    Telling it Like it Is from St. Johns, NL have you thought that 77% could possibly have included people OUTSIDE Paradise ? Wake up, you don't know what you are talking about.

    I think it's great that Coombs is taking Wiseman to task on his own recount and proper use of law. Tit-for-tat I say. All's fair in love and war. Play Wiseman's game against him - nice move.

    What really bothers me is here we count the ballots again and get yet another result. Why can't the number of disputed ballots remain the same ?
    Casting ballots for elections is clearly not scientific and is subject to interpretion.

    Next election let's just skip the casting of ballots part and subjectively interpret who wins.

    Wiseman had his chance in office, he and his wife's decisions were not liked (they only benefited him and his wife), and now it's someone else's turn.

    And... Nasty Nate/Graham is still an idiot who cannot comprehend what he reads and embarasses himself when he posts the definition of dictator and thinks he proved to us how he was right. Absolutely Priceless. That was quite an interpretation there all on it's own ! LMAO!!! Do you hear voices in your head ?

  • fishman
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    I think it is time for Kurtis to drop this foolishness. What will another draw do, it was already done on the first tie. If I can recall last week they were soliciting for funds to take this to court, now he is saying he will fight this As long as I have the money . Kurtis is'nt it the publics money you plan on using.

  • Jeff
    July 01, 2010 - 20:00

    Mr. Coombs, you're not ready to be a mayor.

  • STOP THE RACKET
    July 01, 2010 - 20:00

    Keepin it real. DICTATOR...One who dictates,with absolute power and controll. In other words anny Williams. Not Mr Coombs. Mr Coombs is an excellent example of openess and honesty a rarity at ant level of government these days.

  • Leah
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    Ahhh, Steve from NL, you made me laugh, but I think you're right on.

  • Bob
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    If one person feels that their right to vote was denied for whatever reason, and regardless of who he or she was going to vote for, the election could be deemed controvertible. That would seem to imply that the Department of Municipal Affairs could call for another election.

    Im just sayin

  • charlie
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    Suck it up Buttercup. you lost, move on. but don't give up. wait until you have some life experiences under your belt, and then run again. who knows, we may be looking at the next premier of the province...good run, but time to let it go.

  • Katherine
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    This article from Transcontential Media paper The New Glasgow News might be of interest to show the character of the potential mayor, Rhonda Chancey.

    http://www.ngnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=268354&sc=49

  • Concerned
    July 01, 2010 - 19:56

    Mr. Coombs, please look at this as a growing stage in your life. You should start from the ground floor up not at the top. I have no doubt you will be good for Paradise in the future. Mr. Wiseman will more than lightly retire next term.
    Let him do the job needed right now for the people of Paradise. I think you have taught him a lesson.
    Now go complete your education and enjoy youth.

  • Darren
    July 01, 2010 - 19:56

    I really don't care about Paradise because it is far from that, just drive through it, yuck. However, it is the interpretation of the law that Mr. Coombs is contesting, not the result. So Mr. Mercer (maybe the former lib MHA from out there?), fishman and others, inform yourself more fully. Read more than one article before you start yapping and supporting your old buddies.

  • sandy
    July 01, 2010 - 19:53

    The Municipal Act of NL provides for a recount of votes when there is a tie. (sec 62.2 for mayor) and sec 64 for a JUDICIAL RECOUNT, which is what was done in Paradise by Judge Orr on Tuesday Oct 13, 2009. The procedures to follow when there is a Tie Vote is Section 60; which calls for a draw, even in the Judicial Recount. That is why the tie under a Judicial Recount is referred back to sec 60, to have a draw, even if it is a second draw.

    The Judicial Recount declaration of results on Tuesday Oct 13, is covered in sec 65. It states that should a Judicial Recount result in a tie, which it did, then Sec 60 will apply. This section states that in the case of a tie there must be a draw to select the candidate for mayor. The intent of these sections is very clear....there must be a draw to see who will be the new mayor of Paradise.

    Now why is there a question of interpretation and why do officials at the Dept of Municipalities suggest that this should go to the Supreme Court.?? Why didn't Judge Orr direct the Returning officer to comply with Section 60? Do have a legislation that can confuse something as how to deal with a TIE vote? If we do then what is it that Danny said about the Health Care Managers...so it should be said of the legal staff for the Dept of Municipalities!

    All the discussion as to whether a draw in the event of a tie is good or bad, is not an issue right now, in determining the new major for Paradise. The draw procedure is the current law, and may need to be reviewed. But for now, it must be followed.

    There are comments about Mr Coombs in that he now wants a draw whereas he has expressed his dislike for the law. So what...there are many laws that we all dislike, but will apply them to our own situations whenever required. He has an obligation for himself and his supporters to follow the law as it is now, and to work to have the law improved. The two can be done concurrently.

    Now Mr Ralph Wiseman, should have received the message by now. A man with his background and a household name with the voters of Paradise could do no better than a TIE with a young, unknown, inexperienced 19 year old. This sends a clear message to Mr Wiseman that you are clearly not the choice of Paradies voters, in spite of your tie.

  • Donny
    July 01, 2010 - 19:53

    The folks of Paradise found an articulate teenager, in a community full of hoodie wearing goofy troubled teens. He speaks so well they say and that's a rarity.
    In a blind man's world; the one eyed man is king!

  • Taxpayer
    July 01, 2010 - 19:53

    As usual dildodonney is right on the mark. I also have to give props to the tele for that photo, it's pricless, like two perps waiting to be sentenced. LMAO

  • Shawn
    July 01, 2010 - 19:49

    So to recap... The people vote, kid wins.
    Recount, tie, random selection, old man wins.
    Recount, tie, ... Old man wins?!

    Come on Paradise, there comes a point when rewriting the rules makes sense...

  • bayman
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    Kurtis ... keep fighting this ... it may not be easy though, with Joyce Moss and the rest of the council in the back pocket of Ralph Wiseman ... as for all you people that don't like it .... TOUGH ... this is a very crapy way to decide a mayor ... If Ralph Wiseman was a gentleman ... he would ask for another vote ... But hes not a gentleman ... he won't ask for another vote ... because hes just a crooked old man with a chip on his shoulder and the knowledge that most people in paradise DON'T WANT HIM !!

  • Mike
    July 01, 2010 - 19:47

    I can say it is upseting to see that Mr. Coombs age is being brought into this. They fact is he ran a great race and got a tie vote. Something to be very proud of for sure, and he is following protocol to unsure his rights as a candidate are upheld. Maybe if more people around here stood up for what they beleive in rather than trash others for having ambition we wouldn't be in such a position where less than 1/2 of a town bothers to vote on their future.

  • Steve
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    When I was 19, the only money I was worried about was having enough money at the start of the semester for tuition and books and 4 months at the Breezeway. I'm not sure if Mr. Coombs deserves to be commended for this or smacked upside the head.

  • Bert
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    So graham you are calling yourself Nasty Nate today!! Either alter ego still trys to find a way in either story to talk about Danny. Never mine that the story is not about the premier.

  • Nasty
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    Ok kid you lost. You thought the idea of a draw was archaic when you lost, but now you want it to happen again. The people of Paradise should consider themselves very lucky they do not have to deal with such an immature child for the next four years.

    So where can we file for an injunction to keep you and your foolishness from the public? You are playing with people's homes and futures. Something you still need to work towards before you get to dictate to others. Kurtis stop trying to be a little dictator wanna-bee, and complete your education, pay for a home and pay the taxes that would give you the right to be a mayor or anything.

  • bob
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    What is really wrong about his whole situation is that Joyce Moss did not do another draw. She knew the result of the first draw, before the second recount. So rather than have a new draw as is required, she choose to use the origonal draw. She already knew the results of that draw, so she in fact by choosing to use that result, knew what the outcome would be. Result, the mayor of Paradise was choosen by one person, not the result of a random draw. That fact that the Joyce Moss had already worked (infacto) for Mr. Wisemen in the past (as he was mayor), makes the optics of this look really bad.

    Mr. Wiseman may do a good job, but this whole experience shows what can happen when rules are not specific in the event of a tie.

    Still, it seems to me that Joyce Moss should not have been given the final say in this matter. Even if she picked Coombs, it is still a coin toss. There has to be a better way...


    It is terrible that the mayor of this community is only going to represent 19 percent of voters (even if Coombs won). What a poor turnout. So, maybe next time all the voters who are mad should get out and vote.

  • Paradise Found
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    It's time for Coombs to give it up, enough of the crybaby stuff.
    When I first heard he had won I was happy to see someone so young taking an interest in municipal politics but now I actually see what someone so young does when they lose...cry alot.
    I really don't think the people of Paradise would elect Coombs now after seeing this side of him....too sad