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The provincial government has put the brakes on the City of St. John's idea of setting up a toll booth on the new Team Gushue Highway in an effort to force Mount Pearl to contribute to maintaining the road.

Ron Penney, St. John's chief commissioner and city solicitor, was contacted by the provincial government this week after councillors voted Monday night to ask the city's engineering department to look into this possibility.

Ron Penney Telegram file photo

The provincial government has put the brakes on the City of St. John's idea of setting up a toll booth on the new Team Gushue Highway in an effort to force Mount Pearl to contribute to maintaining the road.

Ron Penney, St. John's chief commissioner and city solicitor, was contacted by the provincial government this week after councillors voted Monday night to ask the city's engineering department to look into this possibility.

Penney said Wednesday he was advised, as a result of the federal-provincial cost-sharing agreement to build the road, there cannot be any tolls or user fees on it.

He said it's not stipulated in legislation, but it's in the form of an agreement between the two levels of government.

Penney said he has informed council there's no point in pursuing this idea.

In provinces such as Nova Scotia and New Brunswick that have toll booths on bridges, Penney said, presumably that would have been permitted in the terms of financing and agreed to by both levels of government for these particular cases.

St. John's Mayor Dennis O'Keefe said Penney informed him of the province's communication with him Wednesday morning.

"To my chagrin and disappointment, and I'm sure council will feel the same way, my understanding is that you cannot put a toll on federally funded highways," O'Keefe said.

"The bottom line is there is absolutely nothing we can do and, again, it brings to a point or resurrects the whole issue of amalgamation, because if we were an amalgamated community, then this simply would be another highway within our community," O'Keefe said. "It's probably a $50-million highway that both cities are getting for nothing, but unfortunately only one is willing to participate in the operation and maintenance of that highway."

O'Keefe said considering the two governments were willing to build the highway at no cost to St. John's or Mount Pearl, it was an offer the city felt it couldn't refuse. The only condition was that St. John's take over operating the highway after the construction phase.

The Team Gushue Highway is expected to be completed in late 2011, and O'Keefe argues it will be a benefit to both cities by substantially reducing traffic congestion in the west end of St. John's and Mount Pearl. However, he said, the road would never be built if the city hadn't agreed to take responsibility for it.

O'Keefe sent a letter Aug. 31 to Mount Pearl Mayor Randy Simms asking Mount Pearl to consider assuming 25 per cent of the annual maintenance and snowclearing costs.

O'Keefe estimated the total capital cost for a truck plow sander would be $260,000, while annual operating costs would be about $392,000 for snowclearing and ice control and annual maintenance would cost $320,000.

In a reply to O'Keefe, dated Nov. 4, Simms said the portion of highway left to be constructed represents the completion of a major provincial highway system that stretches from the Southern Shore to the Trans-Canada Highway.

"As such, the maintenance of this highway remains the responsibility of the provincial government," Simms wrote.

O'Keefe disagrees with this position and believes it is an "intercity highway." He said Wednesday, given the fact the two cities will need to consider other cost-sharing programs in the future for the benefit of the region, a serious look will have to be taken at amalgamation.

"I've tried to steer away from that, but the more we co-operate and share services, the next step will be to join politically. The bitter reality is that most successful towns in the province are amalgamated towns," O'Keefe said.

dss@thetelegram.com

Organizations: Trans-Canada Highway

Geographic location: St. John's, Mount Pearl, Nova Scotia New Brunswick

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  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:35

    Easy Solution. St. John's shoudl not pay to have feeders into or out of mount pearl. Then its a city road. If Mount Pearl wants access they first accept payign a fair share of its cost.

    I agree with Randy that its a Provincial responsibility but unless someone pays to maintain it, the provincial govt. would not build it. As silly as that is, both cities need the roar for quality of life issue and should accept upkeep of it to keep it moving. Then next election, lobby your members to get the province to pay its upkeep as it should. Sometimes its easier to ask for forgiveness after the fact.
    Thsi Govt. has wasted a lot of money buying votes around this province and will do it again .....
    Come on Mayors.... make thsi happen for your citizens.

  • Nasty
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    Guess they can just close the road when conditions merit. That way the city will not need to pay for it. Bring on the snow and the barriers. Just think, we will not need to police a closed section of road either, saving even more money in the long run.

  • b
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    Doc shot his mouth off without first checking to see if in fact he could toll the strip of asphalt called Team gushue hiway, priceless. And this man was a teacher? We seem to have a Doc with egg on his face.

    St. John's has to put up with this buffoon for 4 years, not good.

  • HMJL
    July 02, 2010 - 13:33

    I don't think that O'keefe should be able to demand Mt. Pearl or anyone else to help maintain a road that they ok'd and said they would maintain. I don't think anyone is very interested in amalgamation with St. John's either - I know I am not and I live in Paradise. Maybe if someone were helping me get to work faster - a 3 min. drive from my house takes at least 15 min and it is bumper to bumper either down Topsail Road or Karwood Drive to Kenmount Road. What a mess this is in too.

  • Dave
    July 02, 2010 - 13:33

    Once again the terrible A word emerges from a money hungry cousin in the form of the capital city.Doc states that if amalgamation was in place the road in question would be entirely within the city boundaries,however if one looks at a map then the road in question is within the boundaries.Maybe we should amalganate,Mount Pearl council should consider absorbing St John's and all it has to offer.The capital of Newfoundland and Labrador,the city of Mount Pearl/St John's and then Mount Pearl will finally get its own harbour,airport and the ability to buy a new mans suit with in the boundaries.

  • Brian
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    Looks like Doc and his buddies jumped the gun when they agreed to get involved with this project in the first place. Big mistake!!
    This is part of the provincial highway system.
    Would you expect a town like gander to accept
    same and look after the highway running through that town? Doc you got yourselves into this now try and get out of it. I would say highway dept snow clearing would be much better than what you get from St. John's. Just
    look at difference in snow clearing in Mt. Pearl.

  • Marlene
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    Another less than brilliant idea by St. John's council. Now they're back on this amalgamation kick again - give it up b'ys and do something constructive.

  • fintip
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    Change of faces at City Hall - same old moronic, knee-jerk thinking. This lot is not the first to suggest that people outside St. John's be charged to visit their centre of government, academia and commerce - in other words, things that belong to the province as a whole but which generate disproportional benefits for the capital city. Andy Wells was one of its greatest proponents, suggesting that a toll booth be set up at Dunovan's Overpass to charge the 'brown baggers'. Despite his rabid 'us first - shag the rest of the province' attitude, Andy now draws down a huge salary ostensibly in service to the province at large.

    I'm no admirer of Randy Simms - a kind of Andy Wells knock-off just less intelligent, more verbose and grammatically challenged. His bland, predictable and often bigotted commentaries for CBC and the Telegram say as much about the leadership of those media outlets as it does about Simms. Nevertheless, Simms deserves some credit for vigorously protecting his city state from unnecessary and unrequested expenditures. O'Keefe, who could be a decent mayor if he stopped trying to placate the loud minority in St. John's, already understands the motive behind Mount Pearl's refusal to get onside with this highway. Mount Pearl has its own thriving centre of commerce in Dunovan's and Pearlgate. The success of those businesses is thanks in part to the very difficulty of getting from Mount Pearl to St. John's along Topsail Road and other congested routes. The new highway would make it much easier for Mount Pearl residents to shop at Kelsey Driver and Stavanger Drive. So their question is - 'what's in it for us'. No - just like Mile One and other poorly thought out projects, our City Council will just have to eat the costs on this one alone.

  • NWB
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    Maybe if St. John's was run as well as Mt. Pearl, Paradise, CBS and the other muinicipalities on the Northeast Avalon, then amalgamation would not cause as much strife.
    Some days in winter you can drive from Mt. Pearl to anywhere in the province but cannot get into St. John's because the city is closed by snow.
    As for the new St. John's sub-division, Commonwealth Gardens, which is accessible ONLY THROUGH MT. PEARL, pity those poor souls this winter when their streets are blocked and the people of Mt. Pearl are moving quite freely. Sound familiar? Check with the SOUTHLANDS residents.

  • Tit for tat
    July 02, 2010 - 13:28

    Hmmm... the only way IN to Sin Jawn's is the also way OUT. You townie's want to take a nice long Sunday drive with your foot on the brake the whole time? Maybe we should charge you for leaving your fine town too!!!

  • tony
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    leave Randy alone for god sakes, he'll have a murmur and stop doing open line. Will he go to the hospital in Mt. Pearl? Oh right, they don't have one. Only city in NL without one.

    Why they wouldn't amalgamate, who knows. Look to Nova Scotia, with Halifax, Dartmouth, Cole Harbour, Bedford....etc. They get along fine. It's too bad a few big heads in Mt. Pearl won't get with the times. Residents don't want it because taxes will go up, they couldn't afford to live in sin jawns in the beginning, but wanted to work there, why would they want it now.

  • Eli
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    I like O'Keefe's maintenance estimation. This from one of the guys who estimated the cost of the Harbour Project. He was only out $40 million on that.
    Hey Botwood. You had a wharf once. It might still be there but there's nobody to use it. Put that in your Funk & Wagnall.

  • Max Power
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    The incompetence shown by Doc and Gang in trying to impose a toll on team gushue highway (when in fact they are not permitted), accepting a provincial highways maintenance costs and back peddling on the election promise of reducing the mill rate is exactly the reason why people of Mt. Pearl and other bedroom communities around the North East Avalon cringe at the thought of amalgamation. Since when is bigger better? Economies of scale dont work with governments. Ever deal with provincial government on a matter-you have to jump through hoops. Ever have to deal with the feds on a matter-a lot of red tape. If 1 community with 1 council were to represent all of the North East Avalon you can expect the same headaches as you get with the other levels of government.

    If Doc and gang want to cost share this project why not ask all the communities on the North East Avalon who will benefit to pony up the $$$ (CBS, Paradise, Southern Shore). It is quite clear that asking Mt. Pearl for 25% cost share of this provincial highway (after the Mayor of Mt. Pearl already wrote Doc and advised he would not be paying 25%) was nothing more than a charade to bring up amalgamation once again. Ask the people of the Goulds how great things have been since amalgamation with all the water and sewer and additional sidewalks that have been put in. Why does St. Johns want to amalgamate with Mt. Pearl when they view the city as nothing more than a nuisance and sub standard citizens-only outport without a wharf, only city without a hospital/elevator (I could go on)? Why not push for amalgamation with Paradise or CBS? Most people with any shred of intelligence probably knows why. Mt. Pearl has something St. Johns wants and needs-a city that is well planned from a infrastructure perspective (no water and sewer to add, easy to maintain roads in the winter, easy garbage collection, rinks in place, swimming pool, retail outlets, community center etc) good residential tax base and last but not least a big industrial park-otherwise the amalgamation song and dance would be for all of the northeast avalon-Torbay, Middle Cove, CBS, Paradise, Southern Shore Etc. If you want to amalgamate like all the other big Canadian Cities(these are the cases cited all the time by Doc and gang)-HRM and GTA, then do it on their scale and dont pick and choose which cities/towns you want and dont want.

  • Debby
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    Has anyone decided to ask the people who work for the City of St. John's but live in Mount Pearl? How would they feel about paying to come to work for the municipality, or would they get special treatment because of where they work?
    What is they City of St. John's going to do this winter if they try to get down to Southlands or Brookfield Plains and Commonwealth Ave isn't plowed? (Mount Pearl is on the ball with their snow clearing and that would never happen, but just for arguements sake say it does) is St. John's going to clear a Mount Pearl street to benefit their residents? Highly unlikely! They will probably just take a break and wait for Mount Pearl to allow them access to their subdivision!

  • bill
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    I say don't clear the road. As for all the comments aginst the city looking for this all those people don't mind coming to St. john's to do thier shopping or the Price Club but when they leave they go back to the baymen attitude the Gov't has to pay for everything

  • W
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    Amalgamate, it makes sense.

    Jack Byrne is gone now, ne was the govt opposition, expect amalgamation before Danny leaves office.

    Mount Pearl is surrounded, no new revenues, to keep up with inflating salries & costs, they cannot afford not to amalgamate.

  • Give me a break
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    I wish the city of St. John's would put up 50 foot concrete walls around itself and charge people for using the city. Then everyone from outside of the city would start spending their money in their respective towns, only paying toll to go to work. The city of St. John's would wither and die because the bussinesses would not be making profits like they need and would be forced to downsize and layoff workders. I guess then the posters with the tired rhetoric they spew regarding outside municipalities would have a different tune to sing. Grow up people! People in St. John's shop and use facilities in Mt. Pearl, CBS, etc just the same as they use facilities in St. John's. The only difference is that those municipalities don't whine and complain about it!!!! If there is going to be a toll, it had better work both ways.

  • St. John's Taxpayer
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Mt. Pearl and the outlying communities around St. John's get a free ride subsidized by the citizens of St. John's. Its no wonder all those other towns (and Mt. Pearl has never met the criteria for being incorporated as a city) can have lower taxes when their citizens spend the day in St. John's using our facilities.
    Pay up or almagamate!

  • Telling it like it is
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Well Well Well....

    It looks like the real reason behind this highway has finally been confirmed, even though anyone with a half a brain knew why the City of St. John's decided to get involved in this in the first place.

    Quoting the St. John's mayor, 'The bottom line is there is absolutely nothing we can do and, again, it brings to a point or resurrects the whole issue of amalgamation'.

    What a slimey, dirty, under-handed trick the City of St. John's did.

    Their attempts to perverse this highway issue just so they can get their grubby hands on Mount Pearl is dirty politics. I truly hope the City of St. John's is stuck with 100% of the bill and is forced to increase taxes on its citizens.

  • Watcher
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Easy solution... just don't maintain the on-ramps to the highway in Mount Pearl. Once people start losing cars in the monstrous potholes, Randy will have no choice but to chip in a few bucks.

  • Tony
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Why not put up a poll for the people who live in Mt. Pearl, Paradise, CBS, and surrounding areas to see where it is they work. ...............I don't think it'd be an exaggeration to say that 60% or more would choose St. John's. Why not put up a toll? They use all the facilities in St. John's, but pay less taxes in their respective communities. If there was an award for complaining, it'd be no contest. Abba wrote a song for da Pearl - Gimme Gimme Gimme..........

    As for the Pearl, it's the only outport in newfoundland with no wharf.

  • Micky
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    Well done Doc! Need to also charge those Mt Pearlers for using our softball and soccer fields and parks too

  • Dave
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    WAKE up people, I suggest Mt Pearl take over the road and maintenance. St. John's track record for road clearing and maintenance is horrible, not to mention their budgeting and planning skills for tax diasters like Mile One, the sewage treatment plant, parks and rec facilities...... do I need to continue? At least Mt. Pearl has superior snow clearing, a new hockey rink and an A+ city run services all within budget.... and I live in St. John's!? If St. John's is worried about tax dollar, maybe they should look at how they wasted money.

  • debbie
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    So very stupid. you put a toll booth on that road, who will use it?? no one. then it has become just another mistake. a huge waste of money. i live, work and shop in mount pearl. no need to go elsewhere. everything is here and better winter services to boot.

  • DB
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Whoop de doo. Another squabble between the dog and its flea.

  • Saucy Face
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    When it comes to amalgamation, it's not if it's going to happen, but when.

    Old Doc did alright; he got the attention of the provincial government and only a Mt. Pearl fool would think that the province is not in agreement with St. Johns logic on the amalgamation issue. Just a matter of time.

  • Don
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Little Andy Wells (Doc O'Keefe) wants to visit amalgation again. Have a nice visit Doc, and don't forget to write. This won't happen in your lifetime, so get on with it and go fill your potholes.

  • JohnL
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    Please advise:
    Is St.John's obligated via law to snow clear this highway, If not , do not snow clear.
    The will add many years re maintenance, as the snow plows and cars with studded tires will not be destroying the highway.

  • Bones II
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    There's a small boatload of taxpayer money thrown at the hole they like to call Mile One that would allow St. John's to live up to its obligation made to government regarding maintenance with this road. There would be money left over. That's just on place the money could come from, there are others as well. The city of St. John's DOES NOT have to be stuck for funds to maintain this roadway, but it appears they've chosen to by allowing budget requirements to grow to the tipping point they are at now. Soaking it out of the people or the neighboring municipalities is a perfect example of the stale approach to one of many major issues the city faces. Wait until the snow falls and we'll see them complain about having all their snow money spent before January even gets here, lol.

    The city of St. John's is the oldest city in North America. This fact alone will ensure the city remains for many years to come. Mount Pearl will never soak up St. John's because of this historical significance, so any amalgamating that occurs will be integration with the 'Oldest City in North America'. Records will then be updated to reflect this historical city's growth instead.

  • Jordan
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    City Council hasn't been the same and has been having a lot of problems since Andy left.

  • Chris
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    I agree with Scott. You can't impose municipal taxes (i.e. tolls) without Provincial consent on highways that they have contributed funding to. However, there is nothing to stop the City from erecting toll booths on City streets. Cut them off at the offramp at the foot of Rt-2 coming downtown, at Topsail Road, Brookfield Road and the off-ramps on the Outer Ring Road. Nobody likes a leech.

    Amalgamate or pay your share. Or....perpetuate the stereotype that people in these outlying communities currently enjoy. Go get 'em Doc!

  • Telling it like it is
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    let's be honest here, the only reason why St. John's decided to take on any ownership was amalgamation.

    Plain and simple.

    You showed your cards way too early on this one O'keefe.

    Just because you think your own citizens are patsy's don't assume everyone else.

    No community in their right mind would want to amalgamate with your city.

  • KD
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    Give us all a break they are using the word city very loose come on in any other jurisdiction mt. pearl would even make town status. Suck it up and become one town and give the remainder of the real taxpayers in other parts of nl a break

  • Me
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    When has St. John's ever spent 320,000.00 on annual road maintenance for any road in the city!!!

  • Bear
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    Typical of the mentality of City Council. Can't seem to elect anybody with any commence sence.

  • TaxMatters
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    Can you believe this dumb mayor? He didn't have legal advice as to whether or not he could impose a toll.
    Getting taxpayers involved in a NON ISSUE while ignoring the high paid city solicitor. We got what we deserve !

  • Heather
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    People outside of Mount Pearl use the highway too. How about all the people coming in from St. John's to work in Mount Pearl, Paradise or CBS.St. John's is not concerned with maintaining any of its roads - they just want a greater tax base. Undoubtedly they have someone at Prov Govt level in their back pockets though, evident from the travisty of Commonwealth Gardens being considered St. John's. When Spung Green House was there they didn't want it. I bet all the people living there will shop or go to school in Mount Pearl.

  • Southlands resident
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    To all those east-end elitists that are complaining about mt pearl residents using our fantastic services and shopping at our stores: please take your heads out of each others a$$es. The city gets more benefits and revenue beacause of these people. How much money does the city spend in attracting tourists and cruise ships here every year to spend money in our great city?..is the money of newfoundlanders outside of st. john woth any less?? Totally stupid arguments. Then there is the issue of Southlands, Goulds, and the new commonwealth subdivision...where do you think we have to go to do our shopping? or what services, rec programs, schools, etc are we going to have to put our kids in?...thats right-Mount Pearl's!...you dont hear their council complaining about us spending our money in their city or using their roads or services. St. John's City Council cant properly service or take care of what they have...why in the world would any community want to join the mess they have created?

  • Robb
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    The city of St. John's should extend from Cape St. Francis, to Ferryland, to Holyrood......it is absolutely ridiculous how you jokers like to work in the city, but don't want to pay or contribute to the city....I say set up a toll booth at every entrance....and please do not give Mt. Pearl access to that highway....they are cheap, and everything they do is cheap...they want to use everything for free, let the big city pay for everything.........and don't give me crap about almalgamation does not work.......seems to be working fine everywhere.....it is just so easy to say it does not work......so give up the crap you cheap floaters, and join the big city to pay your fair share....or stay the hell out.....how does Gated City sound..?

  • Wince
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    Telegram articles sure do bring out all the crazy people!

    Tolls on every road leading into St. Johns? Id cards for city residents to enter and leave.

    Let's just declare it a totalitarian dictatorship and call it a day.

    Now where's me tin-foil hat too, by's?

  • Greg
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    I wonder what would happen to the city if the parassites as one of the posters mentioned stopped spending money in the fair city. A good case to shop local. Everyone else from the NEA take the money and run! Bring it home and spend locally, we can then support the city by ensuring we all pay into the EI system for all the unemployed that will then flow

  • Taxpayer ll
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    Maybe if St.John's asked to be absorbed by Mt. Pearl we could make this work. You know...we would lose the name St. John's, we would all live in da Pearl, and Simms would be the president with Doc as his second in command.
    Seriously, amalgamation will happen, it's just a matter of how long the residents of St.John's will put up with footing the bill for most of the infrastructure on the NEA, while the bedroom communities of Paradise, cbs, and 'da pearl, live like parasites on the backs of those that really pay the bills.

  • Joanie
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    Well I guess St. Johns should appreciate the fact that when Mt. Pearl sends out their equipment they will clear the way for COMMONWEALTH GARDENS a recently aquired property in the heart of Mt. Pearl...

  • Scott
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    OK, now that we can MAKE Mount Pearl pay their share on this federally-funded highway, lets get a toll on another road used mostly by residence of Mount Pearl. I am thinking east-bound on Blackmarsh Road, Topsail Road, Brookfield Road, Pitts.

    Don't back down on this Council. I guess we will see hwat this Council is made of on this issue..........

  • Jerome
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    Now when the mil rate isn't dropped enough to make a significant impact on your tax bills, you can blame Randy Simms.

  • Darren
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    Maybe then, Mt. Pearl should put similar tolls for the people of Southlands and the Sprung Property. St. John's council past and present are a bunch of fools. Join together for what - to get the poor services of snowclearing like the residents of Airport Heights and Kenmount Terrace?? It's a disgrace. Make no wonder sales of SUV's and 4x4 Trucks are so strong even with gas prices. You need them in St. John's or you won't work in the winter. Keep in mind St. John's, you are suppose to be the capital - and also keep in mind that the vast majortiy of Government Related Buildings, Hospitals and employment is for residents that live in your City. Therefore, you directly benefit from jobs, taxes, etc.....

  • JM
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    It's simple - put a toll booth on every in-bound road to St. John's, provide pass cards to city residents and apply a toll fee to all non-residents coming in to use the roads, water & sewer. I say council put that to a vote!

    And why not put a kibosh on the remaining portion of the road, yet to be constructed. No need to pay for maintenance on something that doesn't exist.

    Besides, once it passes over the hill on the south side of Kenmount it's in Mt. Pearl's territory. Just stop plowing at the Tim's turnoff. Once it's out of city boundaries, the province has to take over the maintenance, doesn't it? Otherwise are we paying for the entire stretch down to Bay Bulls?

  • Heather
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    The City took over many outlying areas several years ago (Kilbride, Goulds etc) and they've been suffering ever since. Why does St. John's want Mount Pearl so badly - the taxes they would collect from an amalgamation would have to be reinvested into Mount Pearl to help maintain its roads etc. Oh Wait - That would not happen would it? St. John's would only syphon the taxes to maintain OLD St. John's. On another note residents of Southlands don't say they're from St. John's - They just use the moniker Southlands. By the way I live,work and shop in Mount Pearl.

  • Joe
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    The money to finish the Outer Ring Road was money that was supposed to be used to twin the TCH from Pasadena to Deer Lake and was moved to the St. Johns road network. So let them now pay their share to use it. The provincial Gov. should let the town of St Johns put a tool there and let them pay.

  • L
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    Mr. O'Keefe wanted to make those who don't live in St. John's pay the toll to use the road. How could this be verified? Having to show your ID with your address every time you went over the road? Not good for traffic flow. Also, what about the St.John's neighborhood now developing smack dab in the middle of Mt. Pearl, off Commonwealth Avenue. Brookfield Plains. What a tear up that area has been to accomodate that construction. Those people who technically will be living in St. John's have to take several Mt. Pearl roads to get to work, shopping, etc. The heavy equipment from St. John's will have to travel over the Mt. Pearl roads to get there as well. Don't see the point really. Can't tell me those people won't be shopping in Mt. Pearl as well...with Merchant Drive a stone's throw away...

  • Just-a-comment
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    This highway is in what city? St. John's.
    What city agreed to maintain it? St. John's.
    Case closed.

  • pearlian
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    is everyone in this forum crazy? set up a toll both on every in-bound road into st. john's? so, if i am going into st. john's to pick up my sister who wants to come to my house i have to pay to go out and get her? people you need to think about what your writing here before you start blabbing on. and what about southlands... they are apparently st. john's but are attending schools in mount pearl, along with residents in the new sub-division. get real. st. john's needs to pay for maintthe road THEY errected and get over it.

  • Telling it like
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    To all the geniuses out there.

    I want to look very closely at this map,

    http://img9.imageshack.us/i/teamgushuehighwaymap2.jpg/

    Look familiar?

    It should!

    it's the proposed route of the Team Gushue Highway.

    Now my geography might be just a bit off but it seems pretty obvious to me that this highway in no way shape or forum goes anywhere to setting up in Mount Pearl.

    In FACT, it goes through St. Johns and only St. John's.

    It completely ignores any route through Mount Pearl whatsoever.

    I would tell the residents of St. John's what they can do to themselves but then my comment wouldn't be posted.

  • Bert
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Great idea Keith from nl. Than Mt. Pearl could charge a toll to all St. John's residents exiting there!!!

  • Robert
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    The real issue here is that St. John's is the provincial capital and as such draws people into the city to do provincial business. I'm sure that St. John's is reimbursed for this responsibility but it is either poorly spent or not enough.

    Maybe it is time to make another community the provincial capital and relieve St. John's of a burden it doesn't seem to want or able to manage.

  • Eli
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    Following JM's logic what would be the result if Nova Scotia put up toll booths in North Sydney? The guy needs an examination at The Waterford.

  • Bones II
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    The city is desperate for your money. They will have it no matter what, and they will force amalgamation again - because it's a source of more money. St. John's is bleeding badly and they will run out of money if something big doesn't happen in the next couple of years. Mil rate will be first thing to be dismissed and the groundwork is being laid for that right now. We'll be lucky to see a drop at all, maybe 1, if we're really lucky.

  • Sid
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    Wow Saucy Face, I actually agree with you for once.

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    As Mayor O'Keefe stated in the article, this major highway is being paid for fully by the provincial and federal governments. He also said that was why the city had no choice but to accept the condition of maintaining and operating the highway. His city guessed wrong when they thought that Mt. Pearl woult help him out. It is a road that apparently is totally in St. John's and so should be either operated by them and/or the province.

  • Keith
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    I have an idea....

    St. John's should end the new highway at the entrance to one of Mount Pearl's nicer residential streets. That way everyone who wants to to get on or off the highway will have to enter/exit via a nice little residential Mount Pearl street.

    The residents of the street would be screaming blue murder at Randy Simms, but since Mount Pearl didn't provide any funds for upkeep they have no say. That may get Simms in gear to do the right thing.

    Seems like a good idea to me!!!

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    Easy Solution. St. John's shoudl not pay to have feeders into or out of mount pearl. Then its a city road. If Mount Pearl wants access they first accept payign a fair share of its cost.

    I agree with Randy that its a Provincial responsibility but unless someone pays to maintain it, the provincial govt. would not build it. As silly as that is, both cities need the roar for quality of life issue and should accept upkeep of it to keep it moving. Then next election, lobby your members to get the province to pay its upkeep as it should. Sometimes its easier to ask for forgiveness after the fact.
    Thsi Govt. has wasted a lot of money buying votes around this province and will do it again .....
    Come on Mayors.... make thsi happen for your citizens.

  • Nasty
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    Guess they can just close the road when conditions merit. That way the city will not need to pay for it. Bring on the snow and the barriers. Just think, we will not need to police a closed section of road either, saving even more money in the long run.

  • b
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    Doc shot his mouth off without first checking to see if in fact he could toll the strip of asphalt called Team gushue hiway, priceless. And this man was a teacher? We seem to have a Doc with egg on his face.

    St. John's has to put up with this buffoon for 4 years, not good.

  • HMJL
    July 01, 2010 - 20:22

    I don't think that O'keefe should be able to demand Mt. Pearl or anyone else to help maintain a road that they ok'd and said they would maintain. I don't think anyone is very interested in amalgamation with St. John's either - I know I am not and I live in Paradise. Maybe if someone were helping me get to work faster - a 3 min. drive from my house takes at least 15 min and it is bumper to bumper either down Topsail Road or Karwood Drive to Kenmount Road. What a mess this is in too.

  • Dave
    July 01, 2010 - 20:22

    Once again the terrible A word emerges from a money hungry cousin in the form of the capital city.Doc states that if amalgamation was in place the road in question would be entirely within the city boundaries,however if one looks at a map then the road in question is within the boundaries.Maybe we should amalganate,Mount Pearl council should consider absorbing St John's and all it has to offer.The capital of Newfoundland and Labrador,the city of Mount Pearl/St John's and then Mount Pearl will finally get its own harbour,airport and the ability to buy a new mans suit with in the boundaries.

  • Brian
    July 01, 2010 - 20:18

    Looks like Doc and his buddies jumped the gun when they agreed to get involved with this project in the first place. Big mistake!!
    This is part of the provincial highway system.
    Would you expect a town like gander to accept
    same and look after the highway running through that town? Doc you got yourselves into this now try and get out of it. I would say highway dept snow clearing would be much better than what you get from St. John's. Just
    look at difference in snow clearing in Mt. Pearl.

  • Marlene
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    Another less than brilliant idea by St. John's council. Now they're back on this amalgamation kick again - give it up b'ys and do something constructive.

  • fintip
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    Change of faces at City Hall - same old moronic, knee-jerk thinking. This lot is not the first to suggest that people outside St. John's be charged to visit their centre of government, academia and commerce - in other words, things that belong to the province as a whole but which generate disproportional benefits for the capital city. Andy Wells was one of its greatest proponents, suggesting that a toll booth be set up at Dunovan's Overpass to charge the 'brown baggers'. Despite his rabid 'us first - shag the rest of the province' attitude, Andy now draws down a huge salary ostensibly in service to the province at large.

    I'm no admirer of Randy Simms - a kind of Andy Wells knock-off just less intelligent, more verbose and grammatically challenged. His bland, predictable and often bigotted commentaries for CBC and the Telegram say as much about the leadership of those media outlets as it does about Simms. Nevertheless, Simms deserves some credit for vigorously protecting his city state from unnecessary and unrequested expenditures. O'Keefe, who could be a decent mayor if he stopped trying to placate the loud minority in St. John's, already understands the motive behind Mount Pearl's refusal to get onside with this highway. Mount Pearl has its own thriving centre of commerce in Dunovan's and Pearlgate. The success of those businesses is thanks in part to the very difficulty of getting from Mount Pearl to St. John's along Topsail Road and other congested routes. The new highway would make it much easier for Mount Pearl residents to shop at Kelsey Driver and Stavanger Drive. So their question is - 'what's in it for us'. No - just like Mile One and other poorly thought out projects, our City Council will just have to eat the costs on this one alone.

  • NWB
    July 01, 2010 - 20:16

    Maybe if St. John's was run as well as Mt. Pearl, Paradise, CBS and the other muinicipalities on the Northeast Avalon, then amalgamation would not cause as much strife.
    Some days in winter you can drive from Mt. Pearl to anywhere in the province but cannot get into St. John's because the city is closed by snow.
    As for the new St. John's sub-division, Commonwealth Gardens, which is accessible ONLY THROUGH MT. PEARL, pity those poor souls this winter when their streets are blocked and the people of Mt. Pearl are moving quite freely. Sound familiar? Check with the SOUTHLANDS residents.

  • Tit for tat
    July 01, 2010 - 20:16

    Hmmm... the only way IN to Sin Jawn's is the also way OUT. You townie's want to take a nice long Sunday drive with your foot on the brake the whole time? Maybe we should charge you for leaving your fine town too!!!

  • tony
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    leave Randy alone for god sakes, he'll have a murmur and stop doing open line. Will he go to the hospital in Mt. Pearl? Oh right, they don't have one. Only city in NL without one.

    Why they wouldn't amalgamate, who knows. Look to Nova Scotia, with Halifax, Dartmouth, Cole Harbour, Bedford....etc. They get along fine. It's too bad a few big heads in Mt. Pearl won't get with the times. Residents don't want it because taxes will go up, they couldn't afford to live in sin jawns in the beginning, but wanted to work there, why would they want it now.

  • Eli
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    I like O'Keefe's maintenance estimation. This from one of the guys who estimated the cost of the Harbour Project. He was only out $40 million on that.
    Hey Botwood. You had a wharf once. It might still be there but there's nobody to use it. Put that in your Funk & Wagnall.

  • Max Power
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    The incompetence shown by Doc and Gang in trying to impose a toll on team gushue highway (when in fact they are not permitted), accepting a provincial highways maintenance costs and back peddling on the election promise of reducing the mill rate is exactly the reason why people of Mt. Pearl and other bedroom communities around the North East Avalon cringe at the thought of amalgamation. Since when is bigger better? Economies of scale dont work with governments. Ever deal with provincial government on a matter-you have to jump through hoops. Ever have to deal with the feds on a matter-a lot of red tape. If 1 community with 1 council were to represent all of the North East Avalon you can expect the same headaches as you get with the other levels of government.

    If Doc and gang want to cost share this project why not ask all the communities on the North East Avalon who will benefit to pony up the $$$ (CBS, Paradise, Southern Shore). It is quite clear that asking Mt. Pearl for 25% cost share of this provincial highway (after the Mayor of Mt. Pearl already wrote Doc and advised he would not be paying 25%) was nothing more than a charade to bring up amalgamation once again. Ask the people of the Goulds how great things have been since amalgamation with all the water and sewer and additional sidewalks that have been put in. Why does St. Johns want to amalgamate with Mt. Pearl when they view the city as nothing more than a nuisance and sub standard citizens-only outport without a wharf, only city without a hospital/elevator (I could go on)? Why not push for amalgamation with Paradise or CBS? Most people with any shred of intelligence probably knows why. Mt. Pearl has something St. Johns wants and needs-a city that is well planned from a infrastructure perspective (no water and sewer to add, easy to maintain roads in the winter, easy garbage collection, rinks in place, swimming pool, retail outlets, community center etc) good residential tax base and last but not least a big industrial park-otherwise the amalgamation song and dance would be for all of the northeast avalon-Torbay, Middle Cove, CBS, Paradise, Southern Shore Etc. If you want to amalgamate like all the other big Canadian Cities(these are the cases cited all the time by Doc and gang)-HRM and GTA, then do it on their scale and dont pick and choose which cities/towns you want and dont want.

  • Debby
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    Has anyone decided to ask the people who work for the City of St. John's but live in Mount Pearl? How would they feel about paying to come to work for the municipality, or would they get special treatment because of where they work?
    What is they City of St. John's going to do this winter if they try to get down to Southlands or Brookfield Plains and Commonwealth Ave isn't plowed? (Mount Pearl is on the ball with their snow clearing and that would never happen, but just for arguements sake say it does) is St. John's going to clear a Mount Pearl street to benefit their residents? Highly unlikely! They will probably just take a break and wait for Mount Pearl to allow them access to their subdivision!

  • bill
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    I say don't clear the road. As for all the comments aginst the city looking for this all those people don't mind coming to St. john's to do thier shopping or the Price Club but when they leave they go back to the baymen attitude the Gov't has to pay for everything

  • W
    July 01, 2010 - 20:12

    Amalgamate, it makes sense.

    Jack Byrne is gone now, ne was the govt opposition, expect amalgamation before Danny leaves office.

    Mount Pearl is surrounded, no new revenues, to keep up with inflating salries & costs, they cannot afford not to amalgamate.

  • Give me a break
    July 01, 2010 - 20:12

    I wish the city of St. John's would put up 50 foot concrete walls around itself and charge people for using the city. Then everyone from outside of the city would start spending their money in their respective towns, only paying toll to go to work. The city of St. John's would wither and die because the bussinesses would not be making profits like they need and would be forced to downsize and layoff workders. I guess then the posters with the tired rhetoric they spew regarding outside municipalities would have a different tune to sing. Grow up people! People in St. John's shop and use facilities in Mt. Pearl, CBS, etc just the same as they use facilities in St. John's. The only difference is that those municipalities don't whine and complain about it!!!! If there is going to be a toll, it had better work both ways.

  • St. John's Taxpayer
    July 01, 2010 - 20:12

    Mt. Pearl and the outlying communities around St. John's get a free ride subsidized by the citizens of St. John's. Its no wonder all those other towns (and Mt. Pearl has never met the criteria for being incorporated as a city) can have lower taxes when their citizens spend the day in St. John's using our facilities.
    Pay up or almagamate!

  • Telling it like it is
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    Well Well Well....

    It looks like the real reason behind this highway has finally been confirmed, even though anyone with a half a brain knew why the City of St. John's decided to get involved in this in the first place.

    Quoting the St. John's mayor, 'The bottom line is there is absolutely nothing we can do and, again, it brings to a point or resurrects the whole issue of amalgamation'.

    What a slimey, dirty, under-handed trick the City of St. John's did.

    Their attempts to perverse this highway issue just so they can get their grubby hands on Mount Pearl is dirty politics. I truly hope the City of St. John's is stuck with 100% of the bill and is forced to increase taxes on its citizens.

  • Watcher
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    Easy solution... just don't maintain the on-ramps to the highway in Mount Pearl. Once people start losing cars in the monstrous potholes, Randy will have no choice but to chip in a few bucks.

  • Tony
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    Why not put up a poll for the people who live in Mt. Pearl, Paradise, CBS, and surrounding areas to see where it is they work. ...............I don't think it'd be an exaggeration to say that 60% or more would choose St. John's. Why not put up a toll? They use all the facilities in St. John's, but pay less taxes in their respective communities. If there was an award for complaining, it'd be no contest. Abba wrote a song for da Pearl - Gimme Gimme Gimme..........

    As for the Pearl, it's the only outport in newfoundland with no wharf.

  • Micky
    July 01, 2010 - 20:09

    Well done Doc! Need to also charge those Mt Pearlers for using our softball and soccer fields and parks too

  • Dave
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    WAKE up people, I suggest Mt Pearl take over the road and maintenance. St. John's track record for road clearing and maintenance is horrible, not to mention their budgeting and planning skills for tax diasters like Mile One, the sewage treatment plant, parks and rec facilities...... do I need to continue? At least Mt. Pearl has superior snow clearing, a new hockey rink and an A+ city run services all within budget.... and I live in St. John's!? If St. John's is worried about tax dollar, maybe they should look at how they wasted money.

  • debbie
    July 01, 2010 - 20:07

    So very stupid. you put a toll booth on that road, who will use it?? no one. then it has become just another mistake. a huge waste of money. i live, work and shop in mount pearl. no need to go elsewhere. everything is here and better winter services to boot.

  • DB
    July 01, 2010 - 20:06

    Whoop de doo. Another squabble between the dog and its flea.

  • Saucy Face
    July 01, 2010 - 20:06

    When it comes to amalgamation, it's not if it's going to happen, but when.

    Old Doc did alright; he got the attention of the provincial government and only a Mt. Pearl fool would think that the province is not in agreement with St. Johns logic on the amalgamation issue. Just a matter of time.

  • Don
    July 01, 2010 - 20:06

    Little Andy Wells (Doc O'Keefe) wants to visit amalgation again. Have a nice visit Doc, and don't forget to write. This won't happen in your lifetime, so get on with it and go fill your potholes.

  • JohnL
    July 01, 2010 - 20:04

    Please advise:
    Is St.John's obligated via law to snow clear this highway, If not , do not snow clear.
    The will add many years re maintenance, as the snow plows and cars with studded tires will not be destroying the highway.

  • Bones II
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    There's a small boatload of taxpayer money thrown at the hole they like to call Mile One that would allow St. John's to live up to its obligation made to government regarding maintenance with this road. There would be money left over. That's just on place the money could come from, there are others as well. The city of St. John's DOES NOT have to be stuck for funds to maintain this roadway, but it appears they've chosen to by allowing budget requirements to grow to the tipping point they are at now. Soaking it out of the people or the neighboring municipalities is a perfect example of the stale approach to one of many major issues the city faces. Wait until the snow falls and we'll see them complain about having all their snow money spent before January even gets here, lol.

    The city of St. John's is the oldest city in North America. This fact alone will ensure the city remains for many years to come. Mount Pearl will never soak up St. John's because of this historical significance, so any amalgamating that occurs will be integration with the 'Oldest City in North America'. Records will then be updated to reflect this historical city's growth instead.

  • Jordan
    July 01, 2010 - 20:02

    City Council hasn't been the same and has been having a lot of problems since Andy left.

  • Telling it like it is
    July 01, 2010 - 20:02

    let's be honest here, the only reason why St. John's decided to take on any ownership was amalgamation.

    Plain and simple.

    You showed your cards way too early on this one O'keefe.

    Just because you think your own citizens are patsy's don't assume everyone else.

    No community in their right mind would want to amalgamate with your city.

  • Chris
    July 01, 2010 - 20:02

    I agree with Scott. You can't impose municipal taxes (i.e. tolls) without Provincial consent on highways that they have contributed funding to. However, there is nothing to stop the City from erecting toll booths on City streets. Cut them off at the offramp at the foot of Rt-2 coming downtown, at Topsail Road, Brookfield Road and the off-ramps on the Outer Ring Road. Nobody likes a leech.

    Amalgamate or pay your share. Or....perpetuate the stereotype that people in these outlying communities currently enjoy. Go get 'em Doc!

  • KD
    July 01, 2010 - 20:01

    Give us all a break they are using the word city very loose come on in any other jurisdiction mt. pearl would even make town status. Suck it up and become one town and give the remainder of the real taxpayers in other parts of nl a break

  • Me
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    When has St. John's ever spent 320,000.00 on annual road maintenance for any road in the city!!!

  • Bear
    July 01, 2010 - 19:58

    Typical of the mentality of City Council. Can't seem to elect anybody with any commence sence.

  • Heather
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    People outside of Mount Pearl use the highway too. How about all the people coming in from St. John's to work in Mount Pearl, Paradise or CBS.St. John's is not concerned with maintaining any of its roads - they just want a greater tax base. Undoubtedly they have someone at Prov Govt level in their back pockets though, evident from the travisty of Commonwealth Gardens being considered St. John's. When Spung Green House was there they didn't want it. I bet all the people living there will shop or go to school in Mount Pearl.

  • TaxMatters
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    Can you believe this dumb mayor? He didn't have legal advice as to whether or not he could impose a toll.
    Getting taxpayers involved in a NON ISSUE while ignoring the high paid city solicitor. We got what we deserve !

  • Southlands resident
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    To all those east-end elitists that are complaining about mt pearl residents using our fantastic services and shopping at our stores: please take your heads out of each others a$$es. The city gets more benefits and revenue beacause of these people. How much money does the city spend in attracting tourists and cruise ships here every year to spend money in our great city?..is the money of newfoundlanders outside of st. john woth any less?? Totally stupid arguments. Then there is the issue of Southlands, Goulds, and the new commonwealth subdivision...where do you think we have to go to do our shopping? or what services, rec programs, schools, etc are we going to have to put our kids in?...thats right-Mount Pearl's!...you dont hear their council complaining about us spending our money in their city or using their roads or services. St. John's City Council cant properly service or take care of what they have...why in the world would any community want to join the mess they have created?

  • Robb
    July 01, 2010 - 19:55

    The city of St. John's should extend from Cape St. Francis, to Ferryland, to Holyrood......it is absolutely ridiculous how you jokers like to work in the city, but don't want to pay or contribute to the city....I say set up a toll booth at every entrance....and please do not give Mt. Pearl access to that highway....they are cheap, and everything they do is cheap...they want to use everything for free, let the big city pay for everything.........and don't give me crap about almalgamation does not work.......seems to be working fine everywhere.....it is just so easy to say it does not work......so give up the crap you cheap floaters, and join the big city to pay your fair share....or stay the hell out.....how does Gated City sound..?

  • Wince
    July 01, 2010 - 19:55

    Telegram articles sure do bring out all the crazy people!

    Tolls on every road leading into St. Johns? Id cards for city residents to enter and leave.

    Let's just declare it a totalitarian dictatorship and call it a day.

    Now where's me tin-foil hat too, by's?

  • Greg
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    I wonder what would happen to the city if the parassites as one of the posters mentioned stopped spending money in the fair city. A good case to shop local. Everyone else from the NEA take the money and run! Bring it home and spend locally, we can then support the city by ensuring we all pay into the EI system for all the unemployed that will then flow

  • Taxpayer ll
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    Maybe if St.John's asked to be absorbed by Mt. Pearl we could make this work. You know...we would lose the name St. John's, we would all live in da Pearl, and Simms would be the president with Doc as his second in command.
    Seriously, amalgamation will happen, it's just a matter of how long the residents of St.John's will put up with footing the bill for most of the infrastructure on the NEA, while the bedroom communities of Paradise, cbs, and 'da pearl, live like parasites on the backs of those that really pay the bills.

  • Joanie
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    Well I guess St. Johns should appreciate the fact that when Mt. Pearl sends out their equipment they will clear the way for COMMONWEALTH GARDENS a recently aquired property in the heart of Mt. Pearl...

  • Scott
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    OK, now that we can MAKE Mount Pearl pay their share on this federally-funded highway, lets get a toll on another road used mostly by residence of Mount Pearl. I am thinking east-bound on Blackmarsh Road, Topsail Road, Brookfield Road, Pitts.

    Don't back down on this Council. I guess we will see hwat this Council is made of on this issue..........

  • Jerome
    July 01, 2010 - 19:51

    Now when the mil rate isn't dropped enough to make a significant impact on your tax bills, you can blame Randy Simms.

  • Darren
    July 01, 2010 - 19:50

    Maybe then, Mt. Pearl should put similar tolls for the people of Southlands and the Sprung Property. St. John's council past and present are a bunch of fools. Join together for what - to get the poor services of snowclearing like the residents of Airport Heights and Kenmount Terrace?? It's a disgrace. Make no wonder sales of SUV's and 4x4 Trucks are so strong even with gas prices. You need them in St. John's or you won't work in the winter. Keep in mind St. John's, you are suppose to be the capital - and also keep in mind that the vast majortiy of Government Related Buildings, Hospitals and employment is for residents that live in your City. Therefore, you directly benefit from jobs, taxes, etc.....

  • JM
    July 01, 2010 - 19:50

    It's simple - put a toll booth on every in-bound road to St. John's, provide pass cards to city residents and apply a toll fee to all non-residents coming in to use the roads, water & sewer. I say council put that to a vote!

    And why not put a kibosh on the remaining portion of the road, yet to be constructed. No need to pay for maintenance on something that doesn't exist.

    Besides, once it passes over the hill on the south side of Kenmount it's in Mt. Pearl's territory. Just stop plowing at the Tim's turnoff. Once it's out of city boundaries, the province has to take over the maintenance, doesn't it? Otherwise are we paying for the entire stretch down to Bay Bulls?

  • Heather
    July 01, 2010 - 19:49

    The City took over many outlying areas several years ago (Kilbride, Goulds etc) and they've been suffering ever since. Why does St. John's want Mount Pearl so badly - the taxes they would collect from an amalgamation would have to be reinvested into Mount Pearl to help maintain its roads etc. Oh Wait - That would not happen would it? St. John's would only syphon the taxes to maintain OLD St. John's. On another note residents of Southlands don't say they're from St. John's - They just use the moniker Southlands. By the way I live,work and shop in Mount Pearl.

  • Joe
    July 01, 2010 - 19:49

    The money to finish the Outer Ring Road was money that was supposed to be used to twin the TCH from Pasadena to Deer Lake and was moved to the St. Johns road network. So let them now pay their share to use it. The provincial Gov. should let the town of St Johns put a tool there and let them pay.

  • L
    July 01, 2010 - 19:49

    Mr. O'Keefe wanted to make those who don't live in St. John's pay the toll to use the road. How could this be verified? Having to show your ID with your address every time you went over the road? Not good for traffic flow. Also, what about the St.John's neighborhood now developing smack dab in the middle of Mt. Pearl, off Commonwealth Avenue. Brookfield Plains. What a tear up that area has been to accomodate that construction. Those people who technically will be living in St. John's have to take several Mt. Pearl roads to get to work, shopping, etc. The heavy equipment from St. John's will have to travel over the Mt. Pearl roads to get there as well. Don't see the point really. Can't tell me those people won't be shopping in Mt. Pearl as well...with Merchant Drive a stone's throw away...

  • Just-a-comment
    July 01, 2010 - 19:49

    This highway is in what city? St. John's.
    What city agreed to maintain it? St. John's.
    Case closed.

  • pearlian
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    is everyone in this forum crazy? set up a toll both on every in-bound road into st. john's? so, if i am going into st. john's to pick up my sister who wants to come to my house i have to pay to go out and get her? people you need to think about what your writing here before you start blabbing on. and what about southlands... they are apparently st. john's but are attending schools in mount pearl, along with residents in the new sub-division. get real. st. john's needs to pay for maintthe road THEY errected and get over it.

  • Telling it like
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    To all the geniuses out there.

    I want to look very closely at this map,

    http://img9.imageshack.us/i/teamgushuehighwaymap2.jpg/

    Look familiar?

    It should!

    it's the proposed route of the Team Gushue Highway.

    Now my geography might be just a bit off but it seems pretty obvious to me that this highway in no way shape or forum goes anywhere to setting up in Mount Pearl.

    In FACT, it goes through St. Johns and only St. John's.

    It completely ignores any route through Mount Pearl whatsoever.

    I would tell the residents of St. John's what they can do to themselves but then my comment wouldn't be posted.

  • Bert
    July 01, 2010 - 19:47

    Great idea Keith from nl. Than Mt. Pearl could charge a toll to all St. John's residents exiting there!!!

  • Robert
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    The real issue here is that St. John's is the provincial capital and as such draws people into the city to do provincial business. I'm sure that St. John's is reimbursed for this responsibility but it is either poorly spent or not enough.

    Maybe it is time to make another community the provincial capital and relieve St. John's of a burden it doesn't seem to want or able to manage.

  • Eli
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    Following JM's logic what would be the result if Nova Scotia put up toll booths in North Sydney? The guy needs an examination at The Waterford.

  • Bones II
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    The city is desperate for your money. They will have it no matter what, and they will force amalgamation again - because it's a source of more money. St. John's is bleeding badly and they will run out of money if something big doesn't happen in the next couple of years. Mil rate will be first thing to be dismissed and the groundwork is being laid for that right now. We'll be lucky to see a drop at all, maybe 1, if we're really lucky.

  • Sid
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    Wow Saucy Face, I actually agree with you for once.

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    As Mayor O'Keefe stated in the article, this major highway is being paid for fully by the provincial and federal governments. He also said that was why the city had no choice but to accept the condition of maintaining and operating the highway. His city guessed wrong when they thought that Mt. Pearl woult help him out. It is a road that apparently is totally in St. John's and so should be either operated by them and/or the province.

  • Keith
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    I have an idea....

    St. John's should end the new highway at the entrance to one of Mount Pearl's nicer residential streets. That way everyone who wants to to get on or off the highway will have to enter/exit via a nice little residential Mount Pearl street.

    The residents of the street would be screaming blue murder at Randy Simms, but since Mount Pearl didn't provide any funds for upkeep they have no say. That may get Simms in gear to do the right thing.

    Seems like a good idea to me!!!