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  • baieboy
    August 10, 2011 - 19:54

    CV stands for curriculum vitae (Latin for "course of life"), a summary of academic and professional history and achievements. Douggie. Ms. Turmels cv. Academic achievments. None I know of. Professional achievments. Since 1979 has been involved in the public sector union movement. However most important, what makes Turmel a terrible choice is that she belonged to the BQ, Quebec Solidaire and the NDP all at the same time. You can't be separatist and federalist at the same time. Turmel even belonged to Quebec Solidaire after she became the NDP leader!!! Canadians want, and need, former sovereigntists to join the ranks of federalist parties. But they also want the leadership of federalist parties to be unequivocally federalist. Good news for Torys & Grits.

  • Carl
    August 10, 2011 - 14:37

    The issue here is not that Turmel once belonged to the Bloc Quebecois and Quebec Solidaire. Many members of all three federalist parties were separatists at one time, and I'm glad they changed their minds. What makes Turmel different is that she belonged to the BQ, Quebec Solidaire and the NDP all at the same time. You can't be separatist and federalist at the same time. Turmel even belonged to Quebec Solidaire after she became the NDP leader! This situation is very different from Denis Lebel, who left the BQ seven years before running as a Conservative candidate.

    • Geoff
      August 10, 2011 - 22:31

      "Turmel even belonged to Quebec Solidaire after she became the NDP leader!" Well, yeah, most New Democrats in Quebec vote QS, regardless of their views on secession, and I'd expect the leader of a federal party to be in good standing with its provincial comrades. Jack Layton is a member of the Ontario NDP "at the same time" as he led the federal NDP. How is that different?

    • Carl
      August 11, 2011 - 12:39

      @Geoff: Turmel's situation is very different from Layton belonging to both the Ontario NDP and federal NDP in two important ways: First and foremost, Quebec Solidaire is a separatist party, whereas the Ontario NDP is not. Pretty simple. And like I said before, you can't be both separatist and federalist at the same time. And second, the provincial NDP parties exist at the pleasure of the federal party, and are subject to its constitution. In contrast, Quebec Solidaire has no formal affiliation with the federal NDP, and has a very different (even more radical) platform.

    • Geoff
      August 15, 2011 - 15:34

      Not different at all: those of you making this criticism are ingorant of the political scene in Quebec: *none* of the major parties have "formal" ties to their federal counterparts, and only the Liberals take a straightforwardly federalist position. Harper's buddies in the ADQ (there hasn't been "Conservative Party of Quebec" since Duplessis - that's why when Charest) only recently downgraded their stance from secession to "autonomism." Formal or not, the fact remains that QS is the organizational successor to the NDPQ, and as the united party of the left encompasses Socialist Quebeckers on all sides of the national question - for example, the avowedly federalist Mme Turmel. Essentially what you're saying is that federal pols from QC must renounce their provincial party memberships (except maybe Liberals) because none lines up "exactly." And besides, the idea of separatist politicians being quarantined in a separate federal party only dates to the founding of the Bloc in 1989. I was one at the time, so assuming you're at all older than me you should remember that until then separatist MPs sat in the Liberal and Conservative caucuses just like almost everyone else. Bouchard, after all, was a Mulroney cabinet minister before he helped form a new party for separatists of all political persuasions. In any case, the constitutional reforms socialists advocate are much more overwhelming than whether the current Canadian state should be one capitalist country or divided into two, so the debate over separation is less germane in QS. Though the anglo media have branded it a "provincial separatist party" it is in fact a coalition made up of groups with widely varying views on Quebec's constitutional status - some collectives within QS explicitly support union with Canada, putting the lie to your accusation that Mme Turmel is trying to be two things at once.

    • Carl
      August 15, 2011 - 23:02

      Let's not over-complicate this. I am NOT suggesting that separatist politicians should be "quarantined in a separate federal party." I am suggesting that separatist politicians do not belong in the federal parliament as members of ANY party. And I am also saying that you cannot claim to be a federalist party when your leader belongs to two organizations that want to break up Canada. It's a ridiculous, untenable position.

  • Politically Incorrect
    August 10, 2011 - 12:40

    I seem to recall Mr. Harper championing a "firewall" around Albertl." And the less said about his part in in the Northern Foundation the better (for Conservative apologists).

  • Reality
    August 10, 2011 - 11:16

    Oh wait, she joined two.

    • Alex
      August 10, 2011 - 12:48

      She joined, ran for, and is the intrem leader of a federalist party. Do you think she's going to sneak into the NDP back room with a bottle of liquid paper and change the Party's constitution? If you read the article, you will notice that the not all Tories have been life-long Ruling Class Heroes.

  • Reality
    August 10, 2011 - 11:15

    You join a separatist party, you're a separatist.

  • Douggie
    August 10, 2011 - 10:44

    What reasons do we have to believe that this woman is not up to the job, Baieboy? She has a rather impressive CV.

  • baieboy
    August 10, 2011 - 10:07

    If this lady is the best canidate the NDP can offer for PM, its good news for the other parties???