- Winston Adams
- August 23, 2012 - 09:55
John Smith, you know I never said CB mill power was a complete answer. But your experts, Manitoba Hydro Int stated its importance. The primary solution is heating efficiency where if offers some 600 MW of recoverable energy at a quarter of the cost of Muskrat falls. Now you say your're all for efficiency, but your honesty is in question. 1. You spin it to suggest that efficiency means turning down the heat and turning off lights. You suggest it means to ration electricity. The opposite is true. For the same amount of electricity you get more than twice the amount of heat, or the same amount of heat for half the electricity and half the cost. I thought you could grasp that . Or do you wish to keep people in the dark by promoting false information. 2. the intelligent plan of Muskrat has no room for the application of efficient heating for the home owner and small business. Vertmont out classes Nalcors engineers in that by more than 10 to 1 . This leaves their Take Charge program as a Newfie joke. In my opinion it is shameful that you spin and distort the facts on efficient heating.And you further discredit the engineers at our power companies who should know the facts but have no mandate to be serious to help their customers in this. I am not against Muskrat Falls power, just at this time and this high cost. And again, you spin the idea that there are people who want to derail MF for personal or political gain, but this is unfair to the many critics who have no such motives. You say you want to see someone like the lawyer group to have a 10 inch high stack of paper with studies to prove their alternatives are better. My alternative was presented to the PUB in about 10 pages. Where is the criticism of that, except your comments " it's a nice idea but it won't fly" Why can it fly in Vermont but not in Newfoundland? Newfoundland just has too much hot air maybe. John, you say you want to debate the issues. Why do you not debate with facts? Facts. Truth. It has more weight to argument than opinion. Your opinions seem not to be worth much to most who read this forum, because they are mostly not factual , nor based on facts. Try to do better. Say to yourself, " before I say this , hmmm, I must do a little research, least I be wrong, and then feel ashamed.
- Winston Adams
- August 22, 2012 - 13:30
Cold Future, we only have a potential power problem in winter due to our heating load. If it was possible for the CB mill to operate for 8 months and Deer lake power be available for our winter heating, it would be ideal and also save oil at Holyrood, as this power costs about 14 cents per kwh. Deer lake power for heating knocks about 800 million against the present cost benefit of MF.
- John Smith
- August 22, 2012 - 15:51
Winston...that's now...now in 2012 we already have difficulty meeting demand. What will it be like in 20 years from now? I know it would be so nice if we could all shut off the lights, and turn off the heat and live like that...I'm sure to you that sounds fantastic...but to the rest of us, it does not. We will have to meet a growing need for power for industry and residential use. Vale alone will require nearly 100 megawats. We have to look down the road and see what makes most sense. What makes most sense is to build muskrat, get off oil, start paying into our own resource, and sell off the additional power on the spot market for hundreds of millions a year. Muskrat is the intelligent, well thought out answer to our future needs, and is part of a greater picture which will involve the UC and Gull Island and even Bay D'espoir. It's just a shame there are people who want to derail this project for their own personal or political gain...shameful...
- Cold Future
- August 22, 2012 - 12:35
Should a business be permitted to survive if it can only operate on the backs of the people? NS will not have cheap power to dole out to their industries until Muskrat falls is completed in 2020. As for Corner Brook pulp, we the people would be better off if the mill would close. It would save goverment money-no subsidy required. We get the power back from Deer lake, avoid the excessive cost of Muskrat and its associated back breaking rate increases.
- a business man
- August 22, 2012 - 18:32
as a business investor, I say that a business that cannot survive without government handouts should close. I have had businesses that have failed, and I had to close it down. No one cared about my employees (not that I did because I didn't), so what makes protecting these jobs so important. Anyways, i don't want my tax dollars supporting this mill, and I therefore hope the mill closes. It is unjust for OUR tax dollars to be used to protect the jobs of a select few when in fact the money could be used to improve health care and other social services for ALL. The death of the mill means more money for social services, so I vote for the mill's death.
- What a load
- August 23, 2012 - 09:51
LMAO, now the "business man" is concerned about social programs. Just can't keep the story straight can you.
- August 22, 2012 - 07:49
Somewhere in Siberia a deer is farting and everywhere in NL people are blaming it on Nalcor.
- W Bagg
- August 22, 2012 - 07:11
NS will soon be able to sell very cheap power to the mills and other industrial, us not so much, at least not without the residential rate payers subsidizing the industry.
- August 22, 2012 - 06:24
In NS it is easy to give mainland money to somebody else, in NF we need the money for Nalcor and it is our money. Newsprint is dead let it die. The forest is worth more as a carbon sink.