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It’s amazing how many ways one can rationalize playing a pornographic video at the end of an instructional session for firefighters.

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• It was just so everyone could relax after a long day.

• It was only a joke.

• It was related to the theme of the session.

• It was only 23 seconds long.

Those were the explanations given by an instructor who played the clip at the end of a day of training for firefighters in Spaniard’s Bay.

Jeremy Hall has since been removed from Fire and Emergency Services’ list of trainers.

Here’s one thing Hall seemed to miss — something that completely erases all the other mitigatory factors: it’s a pornographic video.

Let that sink in a bit. When was the last time an instructor played a pornographic video in a class you were taking?

There are a lot of men, let alone women, who would find that cringeworthy. Now imagine you’re the only woman in a shop full of men watching it.

There are no words.

The truth is, there is simply no way to justify playing a porno flick at a training session, unless you’re training porn stars.

Now, Spaniard’s Bay is in turmoil. Residents’ lives have apparently been upended by Brenda Seymour — a woman who says she wants to make sure things are done properly at the fire station, and inexplicably doesn’t want to put up with lewd taunts.

But hold on a minute.

We’re being told we don’t know the whole story. There’s another side to it. What is it? Well, it’s hard to tell, since most of the 20 firefighters who stepped down in protest this week aren’t talking. And that includes fire Chief Victor Hiscock.

A few have broken their silence: the instructor. of course, and one of the former firefighters, as well as a number of wives and other supporters of the old guard.

Sadly, what they’ve said so far has only dug the hole deeper.

In their minds, Seymour is the problem. She’s too ambitious. She’s in a conflict of interest because she also sits on council. She hates the chief for no good reason. She’s no good at her job (or too good). She can’t take a joke. And the list goes on.

Perhaps blinded by emotion, these people have somehow lost the plot.

So here’s a refresher.

You don’t sexually harass a woman in the workplace. Ever. You just don’t.

You may be the bravest firefighter in the province; that doesn’t give you licence to be a Neanderthal back at the shop.

If some people find Seymour abrasive or condescending or hard to get along with, that’s another issue. But nothing excuses the behaviour she’s faced at the fire hall. Nothing.

“Support our men” was the message on several signs at a protest Thursday night.

Have these women seen or experienced the devastation sexual discrimination can cause? Do they realize how long it’s taken for women to gain even a shred of respect in ordinary workplaces, let alone unconventional ones?

Respect our men? Let’s see them earn it first.

Organizations: Fire and Emergency Services

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  • Tony Strong
    January 27, 2016 - 06:26

    If her husband was in the room...he should resign...or she should shut up..there is a lot more to this that we will ever know..It's seems like she has upset the applecart and the '' old boy's club '' don't like it.. pity..

  • winie chubbs
    January 26, 2016 - 14:39

    Get with it Spanyards Bay -this is 2016 -You have to advance with the times and stop the old fashioned feeling that men are the rulers and women are pawns

  • say
    January 25, 2016 - 11:37

    Yeah, and I'm lousy with chivalry, too, just like disgusted and the rest of the 'disgusted' trollies. My white horse is named Virtue, and my shining armour never rusts.

  • say
    January 25, 2016 - 09:51

    Seymour said she experienced harassment, intimidation, rejection since 2009. So where was her husband, also a fire fighter, during all of this?

  • Flo Ross
    January 24, 2016 - 20:18

    What kind of a porn movie is 23 seconds long ? I'm certainly for equal rights but now these guys are expected to walk around on tippytoe because they have a woman in their midst. Can't cuss, can't scratch, and if their testies need rearranging they have to go to the bathroom to do whatever it is they do.. Unless she was trying to make a statement from the beginning perhaps she should have become a nurse.

  • SB resident
    January 24, 2016 - 14:15

    We look like a bunch of hillbillies, I'm so ashamed of the fire fighters, the chef, the major and more so the wives...not only myself but the majority of our community feels the same. Be men the community wants to be proud of ,not ashamed of,, u walked out on US- can u make us look any worse,,, u all should hide your head in a bag

  • Disgusted
    January 24, 2016 - 09:32

    What happened in SP was totally shocking. A porno flick played in a classroom!!! That's the bottom line here. And it was meant to be a joke. You would have to be short a few brain cells to think like that. And what's even more troubling is these so called men (AND WOMEN) allowed a group of young girls to lobby on behalf of this behaviour by having them hold signs reading "support our men". Women WAKE UP. if your firefighters respected YOU, they wouldn't find themselves in the position they're in now.

  • Jojo
    January 24, 2016 - 01:50

    Sexual harassment and gender issues aside, what the hell happened to decency and professionalism??? How does a whole workplace turn on one person? And the wives! Too redneck to even comment. Crap like this in the news is why we have to constantly defend ourselves as Newfoundlanders - no wonder the rest of Canada thinks we're backwards.

    • Starr
      January 24, 2016 - 18:39

      Offending a female by this inappropriate showing of a porn video is one thing, but what about a man, or men, who might be offended by this. Everyone focuses on the female, but some males have a high moral standard and also there could be someone there with strong Christian convictions that would be offended by this. Its assumed because someone is male they would have enjoyed it. Not so. It was totally inappropriate and insensitive.

  • Disappointed
    January 23, 2016 - 21:55

    After moving back home to NL a few years ago after living away for 30 years I was forewarned that I would discover that there was still a lot of folks that have outdated thinking when it comes to the roles of men and women in the home and workplace. It's about time it's been brought to the attention of the general public. I have seen this behavior in all age groups and it shocks me to the core when I see young teen women accept this treatment. Men .. get over yourselves. We are not here to tend to your every whim. Get off your butts and grow up Where have all the real "MEN" gone?

  • in disbelief
    January 23, 2016 - 20:52

    The people of Spaniards Bay who support what happened to this female firefighter should be ashamed of themselves. This mentality needs an intervention to educate these people to some common sense . They have become the laughing stock of the Newfie Jokes. Do they ACTUALLY believe it is ok to support what these firefighters are saying is acceptable? Let us hope they soon come to their senses so people everywhere will not think Newfoundlanders are that STUPID!!

  • Ann
    January 23, 2016 - 20:41

    Nothing is going to change in Spaniards Bay. The mayor is simply trying to take the heat off of himself by telling us that he now agrees with the sexual harassment An independant investigation of the town council and fire hall needs to be done. These closed minds and the old boy club attitude does not change over night.

  • NL Daddy
    January 23, 2016 - 20:36

    I have a five year old daughter and I want her to be able to pursue whatever profession she wants without having to endure this type of Neanderthal BS. Thank you, Ms. Seymour, for bringing this to light and for fighting a battle I hope my daughter never has to. Unbelievable that this is still going on in Canada in 2016 and a total embarrassment to put province. Jeremy Hall, you are a total disgrace to all Newfoundlanders. You are a stain on our provincial flag.

  • M. Blaireau
    January 23, 2016 - 20:23

    "It was related to the theme of the session". Wait, WHAT?

  • Kerri Edwards
    January 23, 2016 - 19:02

    Unlike some people who refuse to write their own name, mines up there. For many centuries brave women have been fighting for gender equality not just in the work place but in society as a whole. This whole scenario reminded me of a movie called North Country (based on a true story).. the only difference, the movie took place in the 1980's not 2016. Most mainstream pornography has been proven to place women in submissive roles where at times there are multiple men having sex with, beating on and paining women... honestly people MOST women will agree if any husband were to touch them like that they would feel abused in some form or way. The WHO has stated that pornography and sex is proven to be a dominate role about power and typically men play that dominate role. NOW... picture you 19 year old daughter in that room with a bunch of men saying it was a joke and to lighten up. Well, if this had happened to my 19 yr old daughter the trainer and people who agreed to play this would find them selves in a court of law! This is unacceptable, disgraceful and IS sexual harassment! Stop trying to explain yourselves and put a new twist on this one. You are wrong and need to let it go and apologize to this woman and her family. Disgusting! FYI if this were my daughter in this position right now, and a court of law did nothing to try to correct this situation, I can guarantee you my husband and I would!

  • david
    January 23, 2016 - 18:40

    Respect is earned.

  • eileen newell
    January 23, 2016 - 18:27

    If it was so depatting to her walk out.Why did it take her months to complain. The only thing she wants at this time is attention and your giving it to her .Poor little boring thing grow up it was a joke. Get with it

    • Wallabanger
      January 24, 2016 - 09:28

      Eileen - it's your mentality that contributes to the disgrace - listen go to work outside of Spaniard's Bay and see if this type of crap is tolerated - it is not! You obviously consider yourself shallow - if you do not - you need to - you are an embarrassment to the female gender!! Listen we are not all old fashion or immature - if you knew me I can take a joke and I also can give it - but this is ridiculous - the women sticking up for their spouses (I can guarantee you, all of this comes down to the lack of respect these men have for themselves and believe it or not - you their spouses) At no time, would my husband who I might mention is old school when it comes to working and raring our kids, but at no time would he ever make this woman feel uncomfortable or support all of this bull crap - and if he did - he'd be in hot water!! We have two daughters and at no time would this crap be tolerated especially to them, but I can guarantee you one thing, if this happened to someone I know and I knew was an honest to goodness worker her only downfall being a female among 20 other men and if my husband was so low as to participate in this disgrace - I would be standing up for her - there'd be some arguments if he was a shallow minded person - which he is not... My heart goes out to this woman and her family - as this community obviously haven't moved ahead in society and must already feel that they are inferior otherwise they would grow a backbone and stand up for their gender and this woman!! I am not saying this woman is an angel, as yes, there are two sides to every story, but if any of us were angels, we'd all be flying around up above - and I don't know about you, but I am real and know that I'm not always right and right now - all of you spouses are doing a complete injustice and teaching your children - male or female that all of this right and pass this stuff off. Well wait until they start working in the real world, you have already set these poor children up for complete failure and for that you ought to be completely ashamed of yourselves!!

    • Doreen
      January 24, 2016 - 10:11

      This woman should not have to walk out of any training session so as men can get their porno fix. I cannot believe another woman would even utter this in 2016. There are definitely men and women that need to be educated to that fact that sexual harassment should not be happening. This lady and this subject deserves the attention it is getting. I sense there is a lot of jealousy of a woman who likes to do well and get involved in her community. She should be allowed to do this without all the negativity and harassment that is taking place. Why didn't she report it earlier? Maybe this was the reason. People think she was the cause rather than the victim. If you had a child that was being sexually harassed, assaulted, or bullied what would you think if everyone made a joke of it? Somewhere common sense should kick in. If I had a husband who thinks that it is ok to sexually harasse women then I think I would be looking further afield.

    • Juanita Chatman
      January 24, 2016 - 11:25

      I grew up in NL and I have never encountered such, for lack of a better word, backward pigs. I chose a career in the military and worked with mostly men and never were they as inappropriate as this. I can take a joke like the rest of them, but what is happening to Branda Seymour is way beyond joking level. It's become disgusting and irreproachable. You have my support. And best of luck to you.

    • Kerri Edwards
      January 24, 2016 - 13:33

      You and your attitude are the reason why women are afraid to report sexual harassment, sexual abuse and rape to the authorities! You sound as though you are most like in some way related to this case possibly a resident or a wife of SB's. Here it is, there is a line that is drawn and it was crossed. Put yourself in the same situation where you were the only woman... you would be fearful of reporting. I hope your daughter never finds her self in a situation like this one or worse! When a woman stands behind her man so to speak it has to be for a right reason, if this were my husband.... i guarantee you he would have been apologizing and not resigning cause he would know that this is just pain wrong! FYI your attitude is the reason why us women are still fighting after centuries to be recognized as equals to men. Shame on you! Educate your self on sexual harassment in the workplace, gender equality, sexual oppression and the WHO’s stance on mainstream pornography before writing such a arrogant response again! Your views are from the 1920’s and don’t belong in todays society!

    • Are You Serious?
      January 24, 2016 - 14:05

      Walk Out? Really . That's the answer? So next time (and there'll be a next time) just get up and walk out. How many times do you do this? Smarten up! There is a bigger issue at play here and one that appears to be so far over your head its impossible you'll ever grasp it. By the way. its not a joke, its offensive. I don't expect the likes of you to understand but you simply can't just laugh off every thing that happens to a person regardless of how edgy or hurtful it might be. Sometimes you just have admit you made a mistake, apologize and try to correct your behavior so it doesn't happen again. At least this way you come off with a shred of decency. But relentlessly trying to defend and explain away this error in judgment has got to stop. You try to make these buffoons into heroes but you end up making a bad situation even worse. And their wives? Are they brain dead? I can understand standing by your husband but this is just silly. Can't these WOMEN and DAUGHTERS see the mess their "men" have caused? No, its not OK, its not just a bit of fun and no its not just a way to "blow off a little " at days end. Good for you Brenda for bringing this out into the light so everyone can see what our "hard working volunteer fire fighters" are doing, pardon me , up to. Shameful and embarrassing, and to think this was picked right across Canada. I see more clearly why in spite of the advances we've made in other areas why we are still the butt of the Newfie joke. Good job guys, keep it up.

  • Wanda White
    January 23, 2016 - 17:26

    I think these firefighters could benefit from sensitivity training and a course on the law as it applies to treatment of all workers in the workplace.

  • Bernadette Doyle
    January 23, 2016 - 17:11

    First of all I would like to say " excuse the pun... where's there smoke, there's fire. I realize there is always two sides to every story & as a woman I can't dismiss Brenda Seymour's story as seems to be the case here. I find it hard to believe that anyone, let alone a woman would come out with something like this if there wasn't some truth to it. Think about it, one lone woman against all these men...she doesn't stand a chance & that is so sad. The other sad thing was to see these women ( wives, girlfriends & daughters ) holding signs saying support our MEN & not one sign saying support Brenda Seymour. As a woman I would like to say to these women...what if this was your daughter, sister, or a close friend...what would you say to her...would you support her. When we saw the story aired on the news, my husband said to me " look at the women there, they are so ready to put all the blame on her " & he was correct in saying that. I would like to say to these women, I don't care if the Hardcore Porn Clip was 3 seconds or 30 minutes it was wrong to show it with a woman in the room. You might also question the respect these men show to you, their wives, girlfriends or daughters if they didn't speak out against this. I know a lot of men ( my husband, my son, other men friends ) who would think this is wrong. It seems like the firefighters want us to believe that it's all about the porn, but she has also said there is other harassment, so women listen up here, it could be you, your sister or your daughter. I want to believe as women that we are moving forward, but when I see this backward way of thinking I fear for us. I would like to believe that there is a MAN or two from that fire department who thinks that maybe Brenda Seymour has a story to tell & will stand up to the plate and support her in honor of your wife, sister or daughter....I support her because in her heart she must have known the outcome of this, but yet she found the strength to come forward...

  • Valerie Maher
    January 23, 2016 - 16:39

    Thank you thank thank you for writing this article. well said!!!!

  • Sarah
    January 23, 2016 - 16:18

    When this situation first came to light, I considered myself comfortably 'on the fence'. While I don't condone the alleged behavior of the men, I also don't condone the extreme feminist witch hunt that often occurs in these cases long before the actual facts are hashed out (and that's coming from a fellow woman!) But, whether out of some misguided legal advice or out of pure stupidity, the hole these firefighters have dug themselves is now too deep for any of them to feasibly climb out of. A situation that could have been potentially eased by some clever PR work has gotten out of control because the Spaniard's Bay council decided their best bet was to... say nothing? Hide and hope this all blows over? They allowed the nation (and indeed, the world at large) to make judgements based on that ONE side of the story, and when asked "Well, what's the OTHER side of the story?" 19 out of 20 firemen have chosen to say "I'm not telling!", as if that DOESN'T make them look guilty as hell. This is my hometown, and you've turned it into the laughingstock of the nation. We might as well just remove the entire council at this point, since they've proven they know how to do a bang-up job with their position.

    • james
      January 24, 2016 - 10:02

      any wonder with people like you unbelievable, another one living in the dark ages sarah so you agree with the men without saying so

    • Brad
      January 24, 2016 - 21:37

      That's the Social Justice Warrior way of life for ya. If you disagree with the narrative you are lynched publically, lose your job, doxxed, etc.

  • mjm
    January 23, 2016 - 15:22

    I feel for all parties involved in this mess. I think that this could have and should have been dealt with in house. The female fire fighter should have had the support of her fellow fire fighters at the time of the incident, and the trainer, being human would have seen the error he had made. But hindsight is 20/20. The world is a tough place, to me it was inappropriate and rude, but these men never set out to see this lady uncomfortable at the training session, or this blown into a national issue. I work with the public in retail, if I reported every time inappropriate language and suggestions were made by men and women it would be shocking. In the real world it is not perfect and you may have to endure 28seconds of someone's bad judgement, but it is just that, not a personal attack, and I personally don't think this needs the attention it is getting. Let your concern be for those people who set out to intentionally harass women, and children.

  • roy206
    January 23, 2016 - 14:32

    You never hear men whining about equal rights even though most would love to have equal rights...NO it is always the women going on about equal rights, and I agree... In the interest of equal rights I think it about time for the firefighters to speak up on how many of them were appalled and disgusted by the porn....If we find the majority of firefighters were disgusted by the porn then something should be done.. If the majority want to watch porn, what difference will it make to the rest of us....and when you have a fire won't be asking if the guys on truck watch porn....You'll be too busy thanking them.

  • Baffled
    January 23, 2016 - 13:48

    Great editorial, it says it all.

  • Lynne Allan
    January 23, 2016 - 13:40

    Well said. When I read instructor Jeremy Hall's comments I wondered how he would feel if he had a wife or daughter in a class of men and a pornographic video was shown? And he seemed to think it was okay because he advised that anyone could leave. So much of the situation is just plain wrong. Admitting it would go a long way to solving the embarrassing situation.

  • Mark H
    January 23, 2016 - 13:37

    Well written! It's absolutely astounding that there is a crowd in Spaniard's Bay that thinks they've done nothing wrong and that it's all a problem with Ms. Seymour. Shameful.

  • A
    January 23, 2016 - 13:24

    Perhaps The Telegram might take it's own advice a step further and put a stop to it's publishing articles regarding Newfoundland women who aspire to hang or sleep with Hugh Hefner and become playmates of the year. Also stop giving free advertising, or any kind of advertising to articles or ads having stand up comics degrade women in their routine, and refuse any advertising that would degrade women. Doing that would take the opinion expressed her regarding respect and bring it to actual role modelling. After all, what we do means more than what we say.

    • wavy
      January 23, 2016 - 14:45

      Look up the definition of the word "consent", then try again.

    • M
      January 23, 2016 - 18:41

      I appreciate your points, but this article is an editorial - not the Telegram's "own advice." Luckily we have a paper that publishes multiple viewpoints, not necessarily generated by its own journalists. When you see sexism being propagated by specific ads or articles published in the Telegram, paid or not, please, speak to the Telegram directly about that content, at the time you see it. Don't wait.

    • Jess
      January 23, 2016 - 22:33

      If a woman aspires to be a Playboy model, who are you to tell her not to? And what free advertising are you talking about? As far as I can tell, the paper also still has that annual campaign to raise $ and awareness for violence against women. Do you donate to it?

  • Lisa Keats
    January 23, 2016 - 12:31

    Very well written, couldn't agree more, the old boys club needs to be torn apart. Its a shameful situation and frankly embarrassing to all Newfoundlanders this kind of mentality.

  • Kim
    January 23, 2016 - 12:13

    EXACTLY!.. If there is another side to the story.. let's hear it!...No?.. because there IS no other side of the story that condones this. This is a grown man version of "boys will be boys" on the school yard. These men should know the difference. Even if there was NO women taking the training that type of behavior has NO place in the workplace. "It's just a joke".. yeah no.. it's just a joke among buddies in someone's shed over a beer - NOT in the workplace. Everyone who is staying "its just a joke" need to think for a second.. what if that happened to YOUR DAUGHTER......... bet your tune would soon change.

    • @Kim
      January 23, 2016 - 14:25

      They don't think they have done anything wrong. They don't know any better and will raise the next generation with the same morals. I cannot believe that there is not one "man" among the 20 who has some backbone and stand up and do the right thing. I cannot believe that not one of the 20 has a wife, a mother, a sister, a daughter who can say to them, "You were wrong!" I cannot believe that not one of them has a father, a brother or a positive male role model who can take them aside and say, "Man up, boys! Man up!"

  • Peeved Public
    January 23, 2016 - 11:39

    Maybe the NL Government should clean up their own act first. I was a summer student just 4-5 years ago, in Work, Services and Transportation. And that departments employee lunchroom was Covered with Hard Core Pornography posters. I was shocked to say the least, to see displayed in plain sight, images that you'd expect to see going to a XXX store. I guess those workers had the right "Connections" to avoid reprimand? So much corruption, waste, sexism, goes on there it's unreal. And funny how the Young teen female summer students got put in positions working closely with Male Ministers and Department heads?? If 1% if the goings on at the "Corruption Building" got out, the public would tear it down by hand!

  • Skeptical Cynic
    January 23, 2016 - 11:19

    Notwithstanding the astoundingly poor taste, immaturity, and abysmal lack of good judgement regarding the individual responsible, it may have also been a violation of obscenity laws for displaying pornographic material in public. If this is indeed the case, shouldn't the police be investigating the activities of this individual?

  • Embarrased
    January 23, 2016 - 10:49

    I am in shock and for the first time ever embarrassed to be a Newfoundlander. Are the people in Spaniards Bay so protected from the real world that they have never experienced sexual harassment, or in this case sexual abuse? Women are encouraged and trained to work in non-traditional jobs (men's work) however there doesn't seem to be any training available for the neanderthals to accept and support them. If such training ever becomes available it should definitely start in Spaniards Bay with the fire chief.

  • M. Ellsworth
    January 23, 2016 - 10:27

    I am baffled by the behavior of these uneducated Neanderthals (this includes the wives). I am ashamed and embarrassed that this story is receiving widespread coverage. I reserve my deepest disgust for the firefighter who encouraged his daughters to organize a rally because the sexual harassment did not take place in the firehall so it doesn't count. His DAUGHTERS!! Does anyone else see the irony here?

    • bay life
      January 23, 2016 - 17:32

      Well the true story will come out and for those who are now name calling the fire dept and their wives ,,,you are acting like school bullies ,wait on the facts before the hanging lady !! and you pick on the firemen s children ,you do not know what its all about so again butt out !!

    • Lost of words
      January 23, 2016 - 19:48

      M. Ellsworth, you are right on, I'm baffled that a father could think it is oka, what values do he hold for his daughter.

  • Robert
    January 23, 2016 - 10:16

    Another example of why it can be embarrassing to be from this province when things like this hit the national news. Combined with the "support" the men received from the 200 faithful, I weep for your community and our image. All the tourist ads in the world cannot make up for this kind of ignorance.

  • Elizabeth
    January 23, 2016 - 10:05

    Great editorial,i could not agree more,keep up the good work.

  • Lynn
    January 23, 2016 - 10:00

    Well said, and absolutely spot on. Thanks for writing this.

  • roy206
    January 23, 2016 - 09:08

    I volunteer a little, and so I have learned to respect those (firefighters for sure) who give freely of their time in service to others.I give them my respect, regardless of any person difference I may have with some individual.. Contrary to Brian's last sentence I think the firefighters have earned "the respect of the community" for years of unblemished service...The citizens would be dumb to throw out 20 top notch volunteers that will not easily be replaced...all over 23 seconds of porn...see the big picture and move on.

    • james
      January 23, 2016 - 13:18

      roy206, this 2016 try to get with the program ,guess you are not married

    • thespartanhound
      January 23, 2016 - 13:27

      The problem is not just about the 23 seconds of porn. Its about the fact that this was seen as OK. People have lapses of judgement true, but this was part of a snowball of bad choices. Attitudes of "its just a little porn, or boys will be boys etc..." is not OK, Its a very outdated way of thinking.

    • Nick Hynes
      January 23, 2016 - 13:39

      Sorry roy206 but 23, 2, 200 seconds of porn in a training session for a group of firefighters in this province does tarnish the reputation of the town, the chief and the mayor. If it happened anywhere else, the confederation building, Eastern health, or the eastern school board, would it be OK too.? The lack of leadership when dealing with this and other "incidents" demonstrates the lack of education, understanding and qualifications of the chief and the mayor. Regardless of any "personally" conflicts or "hidden" agenda on the part of the complainant, the utter lack of action to these festering issues have now made an internal issue very public. You should open your eyes and mind and see the big picture.

    • Jeff
      January 23, 2016 - 14:05

      Easy to say look at the big picture when it's not you. 23 seconds. JUST 23 seconds? How long do you think that is when you are uncomfortable. A naked guy shows up at your door ejaculating on a fire for 23 seconds and you see how long it is.

    • jaysus
      January 23, 2016 - 14:51's the current year, everyone

    • Michelle
      January 23, 2016 - 14:58

      "The citizens would be dumb to throw out 20 top-notch volunteers that will not easily be replaced...." Do you not understand the meaning of the word "volunteer"? Volunteers cannot be "thrown out". And even if they could be, these "men" were not thrown out of their jobs; they WALKED OFF the job. And for what? To support a "chief" who didn't see fit to put a stop to a pornographic film being shown in a training session? It doesn't matter if that movie was 23 seconds long or 23 hours long. It had no place in a professional setting, it wasn't a "joke", and *anyone* involved with the Spaniard's Bay Fire Department who thinks that kind of behaviour is okay needs to be removed, because they aren't fit to be firefighters or anything else. I'd say that the works of them should be ashamed of themselves, but it's pretty clear that none of these people have the sense to be ashamed.

    • D
      January 23, 2016 - 15:19

      yea-up, 23 seconds is the reason why 20 good firefighters hang up their hands is indeed a big waste.

    • Agge
      January 23, 2016 - 18:19

      Is this the only problem that this woman has had in her workplace you need all the information in order to make an informed decision

    • kerri
      January 23, 2016 - 19:06

      there is no excuse for sexual harrassment! respect or no respect this is disgusting! this is 2016 not 1816

    • Dina
      January 23, 2016 - 21:10

      roy205 The bigger picture is not the 23 seconds of porn, but the underlying issue that this behaviour represents. It goes beyond one incident, and the attitude of the men vs one woman ,who they felel that she overreacted, is concerning. Move on? Where would you draw the line for these's okay as long as they are not offended. Many people have responded that this type of behaviour is absolutely unacceptable in the work place....should they move on and see the bigger picture too. Perhaps you don't see the bigger picture.i bet not one of those 20 men would be okay with watching that video with their daughters, mothers or wives present...because they know it's not appropriate.

    • Elizabeth
      January 23, 2016 - 23:33

      roy206, They are hailed as heroes? Heroes would not walk out and leave their town without such a necessary service, heroes would have taken the high road and apologized, heroes wouldn't have behaved this way to start with. They aren't heroes! They do not deserve any respect!

    • concerned citizen
      January 24, 2016 - 07:36

      Sof by that logic, if a group of excellentpolice officers were murderers and rapists , they should be allowed to continue to do their job? Comments like this speak volumes about the backwards mentality amongst "professional" men everywhere, not just in SB.

  • Eastcoast2
    January 23, 2016 - 07:52

    Well said! Unfortunately, I fear harder times are ahead for Brenda Seymour. Good for her to speak out and shame on those firefighters not to mention their wives and daughters for supporting that behaviour. Would those firefighters feel the same way if one of those daughters was subjected to that type of behaviour - would it be funny then? Those people are ignorant and living in the dark ages. That kind of behaviour is unacceptable in any workplace. Talk about going backwards - unbelievable!

  • concerned
    January 23, 2016 - 07:51

    What about the ongoing case of bullying at the fire dept garage here in st johns?

  • Ken Collis
    January 23, 2016 - 07:43

    SB Fire Chief said in a news report that the trainer was not associated with his department and he had no control over what happened. Fair enough, but did you make an apology to Ms. Seymour? Did you inform the trainer and whoever sent him that he would not be welcome back to SBFD? Did you inform your boss, the mayor, of the serious infraction committed by the trainer in question? If you did then good for you. You are an excellent leader and deserve your position. If you didn't then no mater what happens, stay resigned.

    • Lynne
      January 23, 2016 - 16:05

      I'm sorry, but if the fire chief said he had no control over what happened because the trainer wasn't associated with his department, he is full of it. What a cop out. If the trainer had punched one of the male firefighters in the nose, would the chief maintain he had no control over that? I think not. And because the training didn't take place in the fire hall, that's supposed to make the showing of a pornographic film okay? I am truly amazed ... and NOT in a good way,

    • Brad
      January 24, 2016 - 21:34

      If she was truly offended, the trainer should offer an apology. Chief had nothing to do with it

  • Spaz
    January 23, 2016 - 06:52

    Kids holding signs supporting sexual harassment and it was on the national news. NL will never live this down.