Taking down the cross is anti-Christian

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Gerry Phelan, I’m confused. In your May 31 column, “The crux of the matter,” you begin with a serious statement and end by saying you were kidding.

Well, with the possible exception to the humour of your placing Brian Tobin in the same sentence next to the word “logic,” I fail to see any humour anywhere in the entire effort!

I am happy you at least took up the topic of removing the cross from St. Matthew’s Elementary School in St. John’s because it is a subject that is so tragic and insulting on so many levels that it can hardly be ignored.

First of all, it is, indeed, a pity that the proponent of removing the cross is so gormless that he/she requires that the press give him/her anonymity. Our denominational system taught us to stand up and be counted for our opinions and not run snivelling behind the skirts of some human rights commission that, at most, would only join the proponent in effecting gross anti-Christian behaviour. We can thank Brian Tobin for that.

Speaking of snivelling, our brilliant Eastern School Board is cowering in fear of this person of destructive intent and, as for their lawyers, whatever happened to the old adage, “you never know till you go to court”?

Since when does anyone have the right to tear down our historic and cultural icons of school, church and an entire branch of our civilization?

 If your answer is secularism, then I tell you you are presenting a gift box with nothing in it; secularism stands for nothing. Our culture was built on the principles of Christianity, which includes tolerance, and to suggest that it should be diminished because of some selfish, empty twaddle about secularism is tantamount to the beginning of religious genocide. That the board’s lawyers and the board should support this activity is reprehensible.

Mr. Phelan, you and the school board’s lawyers should read about famous Canadian journalist and author Mark Stein, who took on the B.C. Human Rights Commission in a case involving freedom of expression. His description of that commission would make them run and hide in shame; and yes, he did most assuredly win his case.

No, Mr. Phelan, there is no humour in this on any level.

David Murphy

Topsail

Organizations: Eastern School Board, B.C. Human Rights Commission

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  • Charles Kennedy
    July 21, 2013 - 23:43

    It simple man!! The best society is a secular society where people are free to pratice their faith of their choice or no faith at all without being demonized or threaten with eternal damnation.Really do we want to go back to the burning of witches.After all doeth not the bible teach "Thou shall not suffer a witch to live". Keep religion in the churches or at home.Leave the schools to education. And no creationism (intelligent design) has no place in the science classroom since it is not science.Why is it not science.Very simple! There are no units of measurement. You know, like watts,volts,joules,kms,feet,m/s,ergs,gausses etc etc. Anybody know the weight of a ghost,the watts needed to light up an angel, or the acceleration Jesus and Mohammer needed to escape the earths gravity on their way to heaven .I can repeat in my lab experiments that Newton and Gallilo peformed over 3 hundred years ago and get the same results. Anybody repeated the fire coming down from heaven experiment in Elijahs day.Anybody turned water into wine lately.Labatts would love to be able to repeat that experiment.Anybody walked across Lake Ontario lately? No religion is not Science.It is Science that has given us the car,phone,airplane,space shuttle,MRIs,xrays,medical proceedures,knowlege of germs,etc etc..If you don't support Science then you don't have a right to enjoy all the modern day conviences resulting from our scientific knowlege.Give up your cars and phones and get a horse and buggy. Simple:A secular society with freedom of religion or freedom from religion. Here ended the lesson Prof K .

  • Herb Morrison
    June 26, 2013 - 20:18

    Some ppoints to ponder. Speaking from the perspective of a professing and a confessing Christia. While I believe that as the Bible says:This earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, however, we Christians would do well to remember that neither this earth or any part of the earth is the Kingdom of God. the Kingdon of God is a Spiritual realm referred to in Scripture as Heaven. The idea that any country in the world , including Canada, is a Christian nation, while well-intentioned, is not true to Scripture. Take heart Mr. Murphy, Jesus Christ's earthly body was put to death, yet the spirit of Christ is alive and well more than two thousand years after Christ's physicaldeath. In fact my Bible says that we Christians should not fear those who pose a threat to our physical well being, but should fears those who pose a threat to our spiritual well-being, by attempting to entice us to become separated from God as we live our lives, by disobeying God's will. Personally, I think that jesus would approve of the removal of the cross from a local school, because the fact that the Cross is there, in a public school, could be seen by Christ/God as infringing on a person' s right to freely choose to accept or to reject God, Christ as Saviour and Lord, or the truth of the Gospel. Remember, Jesus stands at the door to people's hearts and knocks, hoping to be invited into people's lives. Jesus doesn't attewmpt to break the door down, Himself, nor does Cheist encourage those of us who call ourselvers Christian to attempt to force our beliefs on outhers.

    • Keith Hannaford
      June 27, 2013 - 08:22

      As others have observed, Christians claim dominion of the next world but want power in this one. You are an admirable exception to this regrettable trend. The philosophical attractions of Christianity can be tempting even to an atheist such as myself. You have encapsulated them beautifully.

  • Bob dannaford
    June 26, 2013 - 11:40

    Our schools in NL are not totally secular. Term 17 was amended on January 8, 1998 and is still in effect. The amendment states: 17(2) In and for the Province of Newfoundalnd, the Legislature shall have exclusive authority to make laws in relation to education, but shall provide for courses in religion that are not specific to a religious denominaion; and 17(3) Religious observances shall be permitted in a school where requested by parents. Conceerned parents should check with their school to see if courses in religion are being offered and, if interested, make a request for a religious observance such as Christmas take place at the school. The law is on your side.

    • Keith Hannaford
      June 26, 2013 - 13:35

      Actually, these amendments are entirely in line with secularism, which often boasts of its tolerance of religion and teaching thereof. 17(2) merely states that our children will learn about a significant part of our cultural and political history, as is to be expected from an educational institution. 17(3) is a statement of tolerance for any and all religious observances, as is to be expected from any operation run by a government in Canada. Yes, wholly secular law is on the side even of the religious.

  • lucifer
    June 26, 2013 - 10:56

    great comments! it's very comforting to see how society is maturing and people are starting to see religion for what it truly is, a useless, archaic, frightening belief system that attacks anyone who doesn't share the same beliefs. I've been atheist for nearly all my life and have been treated with the utmost disdain anytime i mentioned it, so i have learned to remain silent about religion... great that times are changing and more people are speaking out.... i really find it hilarious when "christians" talk about tolerance...i guess the only thing they have ever read is a bible. They really need to expand and maybe receive a history lesson.....

  • Not on my school
    June 26, 2013 - 10:28

    You're privileged only by tradition and culture, but the days of Christian hegemony are (almost) over in Newfoundland. And if the Human Rights Commission has to get involved, good; society is evolving (oops!). How is being on an equal footing with everyone else anti-Christian? Tolerance? The hatred expressed by the church towards other faiths and lifestyles (not to mention Mark Stein) has torn people and nations apart. One can hardly blame the proponent of taking the crosses off the schools for wanting to remain anonymous given what some of you Christian Crusaders are capable of.

  • Secular Sid
    June 26, 2013 - 10:06

    Freedom of religion is a basic human right so is freedom FROM religion. If you want to pass on your indoctrination to your kids do it in your TAXFREE churches. Atheists/Agnostics are the most under-represented and persecuted segment of our population. Its funny how religious zealots always play the victim card while trying to shove their ancient superstitions down society's throat. Its only now after decades of fighting that LGBTs have starting getting some sense of equality, every step of the way being persecuted by bible thumping believers.

  • Kelly Fowler
    June 26, 2013 - 08:10

    I find it ironic that you state there is no humour in this, considering your entire spiel was laughable.

  • Kelly Fowler
    June 26, 2013 - 08:09

    It is really unfortunate that this type of typically American right wing ignorance exists in Canada as well. I really hoped we were beyond all that. It is quite telling how you believe removing a religious symbol from a public school is "Anti-Christian." Ask gays, lesbians, atheists, women and people of other faiths how they feel about the tolerance of Christianity. It is sickening how you reference a "religious genocide" when discussing a cross outside a school. The Church spent hundreds of years slaughtering Muslims, heretics, pagans, and anyone else they felt like eliminating in the name of Christianity. I'm assuming by Mark Stein, you're referencing Mark Steyn. If that's the case, I agree we all should read about him. Its important to learn about the ignorance and discrimination in our society. We should know how he supported the Iraq War. His bigotry against Muslims and fearmongering. His support of George W. Bush and Conrad Black. His frequent association with well-known scumbags like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. Our whole country should count itself lucky that he's an American resident. A school is a place for learning, not faith. Not getting your way doesn't mean they're being anti-Christian. It means you're spoiled and foolish.

  • Abdul Saieed
    June 26, 2013 - 07:29

    A "Christian" talking about religious genocide... That's rich!