- January 08, 2014 - 21:23
I echo the sentiment that younger people are, for the most part, indeed much more polite than those 50+ right now. I see it every day around St. John's, the people yelling and snipping at people in, say Tim Hortons, for things completely out of their control are always older people. Time for them to loosen up.
- Ed Power
- January 02, 2014 - 17:26
It would appear that our favourite Maven of Marketing, "a business man", has emerged from his mother's basement to lecture us once again on the life and business lessons he's learned from his latest reading of "Atlas Shrugged". Our very own John Galt tells us that he directs the plebes and peons in his employ not to exercise the same standards of common courtesy that he claims to have instilled his children. Understandable, I suppose, when the only customers who frequent his "business enterprises" are his Action Figures and Teddy Bears on the opposite side of the Monopoly board. Although it is possible, I suppose, that his mom lets him play the online edition of Monopoly when he has his homework completed. Still, his juvenile fascination with Ayn Rand does make for amusing reading on the Telegram website. (I wonder, is Wild Rose one of his regular playmates....?)
- a business man
- January 03, 2014 - 10:09
Clearly, you have resorted to insulting me because you cannot refute the logic of my post. Since you put such effort in directing several insults towards me, it is plainly obvious that you tried but could not find a way to refute my logic. But no worries, I know it is tough; my logic is sound. Anyway, all I am saying is that there is no sense in saying 'thank you' when it does not translate to more profitability. So yes, I tell, no I order my employees NOT to say thank you because I have determined that it does not result in more money in my pocket. Plain and simple. But I also said that this is for one specific company. In my fast food restaurant, I have fired people for NOT saing thank you becuase saying thank you to customers IS important in situations where there is lots of competition. Bottom line, saying thank you is something we should teach our children, but it is something we should consider skipping where there is not a guaranteed financial benefit.
- Ed Power
- January 03, 2014 - 19:56
Clearly, "a business man", I am stunned by the hypocrisy - and hubris, most especially the hubris - in your tiresome post(s). The proof of these "qualities" is revealed by the fact that while you brag excessively (hubris) about your business acumen, how little you pay your people, how little respect that you have for your employees and customers (no thank you for your business required) and through your oft-stated disregard for your fellow citizens, you fail to provide the names of your various entrepreneurial enterprises to the public so that we - the Telegram readers and your (God help them) customers - may judge for ourselves the quality of the goods and/or services you claim to provide. (Hypocrisy) The fact that you comment anonymously demonstrates clearly that you lack the courage of what you claim are your convictions. It also renders any argument or comment you post irrelevant. Digital diarrhea, to be precise. Unlike you, I don't hide behind a pseudonym. Perhaps if you were to do the same, your comments would garner some respect, even if it is a grudging respect. As you don't, then your comments are greeted with the respect that they deserve. Didn't they teach you about honesty and integrity in whatever business/law/management school you attended? Then again, judging from the examples of Enron, AIG, Goldman Sachs, Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and all the other criminal corporations that have graced the nightly news, honesty and integrity in the business curriculum are as extinct as the Dodo...
- a business man
- January 02, 2014 - 13:21
Personally, I raised my kids to have manners. They always say please and thank you, and are passing their manners on to their own children. Accordingly, I am proud. That said, as a business owner, I tell my employees NOT to say thank you to our customers. I have adopted such a policy because I know my product is unique which means the customer will come back no matter what, and because cutting out the thank you can make me a few more dollars. Also, since I am a lawyer with a good job, I honestly, don't care about the company, the employees or the customers. The company could close yesterday and I wouldn't care. The customers could stop buying (not likely) and I would not care. In short, I have made a calculated risk to cut out the thank you's in pursuit of increasing profits. That said, I would not recommend this for every business. I own fast food chain, and I encourage saying thank you as much as possible because the customers DO have alternatives, so I must retain them. So there you have it....manners cost money, and sometimes you can get away without manners. I suggest abandoning manners if it saves money, and adopting manners if you feel it will lead to profits. BUT don't use manners unless there is a financial benefit.
- Tony Rockel
- January 03, 2014 - 12:48
"Business man" is clearly a troll who loves to get a rise out of his readers. Or maybe he is a subversive who uses satire to waken us to the evils of unbridled capitalism.
- January 01, 2014 - 12:40
I would agree with CD that some of our young people are truly courteous (and a delight to be around), and conversely, some of the older crowd can be downright obnoxious. But use of manners, in general, has indeed taken a beating over the past few decades. People who don't approve of rudeness (such as myself) tend to be viewed as uptight individuals who expect others to bow and scrape. Fact is, we'd all be a lot better off if we tried to be respectful of each other - and not just on a superficial level, but the use of pleases and thank-you's might be a good place to start. One example of manners that I personally mourn the loss of is that of men removing their hats when indoors. The majority of young men no longer seem to realize that it's just plain disrespectful for a man to leave on his hat when indoors. I've even seen young men wearing caps in church! Where were the parents when these boys were growing up? We, as a species, have two choices: We either turn the tide of "me, me, me" and start to teach our small children about respect for others as well as set the example for them - and then EXPECT them to behave accordingly OR we continue down the insensitive path we're on and end up annihilating ourselves. Here's a quote from Albert Einstein: "A new type of thinking is essential if mankind is to survive." I believe that quote is relevant to our discussion here of manners. If we don't have enough sense to treat each other with respect and courtesy on an individual, one-on-one basis, we're not going to know how to do it in terms of how we run our government and social institutions either.
- mike fleming
- January 01, 2014 - 09:19
My main comment is “ For goodness sake, ease up and stop picking on your fellow man” The problem is not the people who wish you a good day but the ones who provide you with a miserable one. Is really the best you can do for a New Years greeting ?
- Will Cole
- January 01, 2014 - 00:04
"Americans have this image of Canadians as ultra-polite. This is not so much a compliment as it is an indictment on how bad it has gotten over there." On the contrary, any Americans I've met were for the most part are the most mannerly and affable individuals I've ever encountered. Many of the locals are far less mannerly and couth than the Americans I know, I can assure you.
- Cashin Delaney
- December 31, 2013 - 10:11
Old fossils are not always the purveyors of social graces, some of the most me-me-me (socially-moronic) people I know are over 60 and believe that I exist to serve their 2nd childhood only. Some of the most socially graceful people I interact with on a daily basis are under 25. The above letter is just as meaningless as declaring that only women, or only Anglicans display manners. Only the aged have manners? 'No Problem!' has become standard response to Thank You, at the drive thru. As for ensuring that out our Fossilized readers don't get too full of it, and own their fair share of modern social ineptness and selfishness - YOU ARE ALL WELCOME! Any other myths about human fossils that need to be cleared up would be NO PROBLEM!
- Colin Burke
- December 31, 2013 - 09:29
Just for fun, I'd like to know how Ms. Pike feels about "sexism"; I've a notion that you can teach kids not to be sexist or raise children with good manners but not both; my favourite author by far, who anticipated The Lord of the Rings in a science fiction yarn of fewer than thirty pages, set in the reign of Charles II of England, wrote once (at least) that he had never known a really polite man who was not either obeying women or fascinating them.
- Laurie Blackwood Pike
- December 31, 2013 - 11:11
Hi Colin--just a clarification--I am Mr. not Ms., but you can call me Laurie or Grandpa, if you prefer. Thanks. Happy New Year.
- ed duke
- December 31, 2013 - 06:32
true very true. I can't say any other words but I think you hit the nail on the head when you talk about manners.
- July 30, 2014 - 22:02
Interesting that a piece on the lack of manners should evoke such ill-mannered comments. I think they prove his original point.