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Signs on Park Avenue in Mount Pearl warn motorists of potholes as water and sewer work continues on the street, but a woman and two children escaped injury Wednesday night when their vehicle drove into a large hole just moments after a water main break. H

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  • Mikalah
    July 02, 2010 - 13:35

    I've seen the type of work Weir's construction has done - they did Southland's Blvd, etc...and that had to be done again - it took months to complete....and they still get contract work??????? I wouldn't hire them to pave a birdhouse walkway!!! The Council should put this back on tender and get a construction company that actually know what to do!!!

  • amused
    July 02, 2010 - 13:35

    Sounds like Michael SG has too much time on his hands to be posting comments in such length instead of doing what he says he does so well - consulting! hmmmmm

  • Wince
    July 02, 2010 - 13:33

    The council in Mt. Pearl should all hang their heads in shame at the mess that's been made on Park Avenue. In all my life I've never seen such a horrible job made of a road repair.

    Even the section that was completed last year isn't fit to drive on. You almost need a dune buggy to drive over it.

    Get this mess fixed Mr. Simms. It's a black eye for the community of Mt. Pearl and an annoyance for the residents in the area.

  • Jennifer
    July 02, 2010 - 13:31

    Well Mr.Barney , You of all people knowing what you know that it's not very professional to talk about your peers in the industry No matter what the issue is and you don't know what they are facing it is an older part of Mt.Pearl . I think this is a coward way of doing it , so Nobody knows who you are !!

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:31

    The work done on Park Avenue is a joke. Why couldn't they just pave the whole street instead of doing it in strips.

    It probably would have cost less money to pave the whole street, if you factor in the time it takes to try and cut out strips all over the place and then patch it in....then repair it all again....and again.....and again.

    The project is a total waste of tax payers money.

    Very poor planning.

    The city would be better off with a dirt road.

  • Nasty
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    Hey, you want action, stop paying your taxes till they fix whats broke first. You paid for it all, but look at what you were given. The customer is always right, and the tax payers are the customers. From here on out stand as ONE and REFUSE to pay till the work you paid for is done properly.

    Otherwise you are just as bad as those that continue to rip you off.

  • Michael SG
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    I absolutely despise hearing people complain about roads and then act like if they were the ones in charge, they would have the place cleaned up lickity split and it would last until the end of time. For some reason, I just don't believe that this is the case. The people put in charge of these type of multi-million dollar projects did not just walk into that type of job. Most of them have been working on that type of project for decades and are experts on the subject. Most of the time, the people who do all of the complaining about the roads are the ones who are oblivious to all of the things that are involved in a major project like that. They just see that the roads are bad and then wonder what their income tax is being spent on. To those people I ask, Do you know how much is costs to rent heavy equipment? Do you know how much it costs to have tonnes and tonnes of waste material removed? Do you know how much it costs to have consultants do risk assessments on the site to determine if its economically viable? The answers to these questions are the same. A LOT OF MONEY. They have no idea that their ANNUAL income tax is most likely not even enough to pay ONE linesman for ONE month, let alone rent out teams of heavy equipment and operators among MANY, MANY other things. In these tough economical times you should consider yourself lucky to have a road to drive on, hell, you should consider yourself lucky to be paying income tax. Most people are out of work. Oh, and one more thing, John from NL, its not probable that it would be more economically viable to replace the entire road. There's not even a chance that this is true. You want to know why? BECAUSE THATS WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE DONE!!!! The people who proposed this job spent months and months preparing the proposal and most definitely worked out the cost for an entire replacement as well as for patch work, and it is best practice with government tenders to go with the most economically viable option. And you can be sure that the professionals who did the proposal included the fact that more patch work will be needed in the future. Here's an idea! How about you go out on your own, figure out all of the information to do a proposal for road repair on Park Ave, and send it in to the government. If your as smart as you think you are, you'll be working for Danny in no time.

  • Michael SG
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    oh my god...

    I didn't believe that somebody could be this uneducated but I guess you can can't expect a whole lot from somebody who consistently labels themselves a Half-wit

    A Risk Assessment, contrary to what your small little mind thinks, is an assessment that is done to display the economical viability of a project based on how much its going to cost when weighed against how much its going go help. In lament terms, it asks the question Is this project smart from an economical standpoint? It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the risk of cars falling into pot holes or anything even in the same ballpark as that....I actually feel a little embarrassed for you....

    ....and don't put Risk Assessment in brackets as if to say that its an imaginary thing....look it up you imbecile

    And no, my employer does not pay people like me a wage like a Macdonald's employee or road worker. I've saved consulting companies millions of dollars....things like wages change a little once people realize that you have, AND are able to use a brain.

    Please don't get upset when somebody like me comes along and tells it like it is. You come off looking like a simpleton...

  • amused
    July 02, 2010 - 13:28

    Sounds like Michael SG from NL works for Weir's? hmmm!

  • The Real Picture Here
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Everyone should stop and think about the people in that vehicle (lady and two small children) who could have been very seriously hurt. Whoever is doing the job on Park Ave. or anywhere for that matter should be more cautious before they allow traffic to drive through construction areas! Safety should be the first thing on everyone's mind.

  • janet
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    i have lived in mt pearl most of my life, and iam appalled at the state of park avenue, i can,t believe that construction is allowed to continue doing work in this city, i have an older car that i am desperately trying to hang on to, but if i have to drive on park aavenue anymore, it looks like i may have to be walking,because there won,t be any parts left on my car.

  • Bones
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Michael SG: I always though experts were hired to do this work because they were intimately involved with the complexities of such a job. While the points you make certainly do not lack validity, I find myself wondering about things I thought were obvious.

    I don't bid on construction jobs because I am far from an expert. I don't do dental work either, I leave it to the experts, lol.
    Wouldn't any company bidding on a large project like that certainly be considered to be experts in the field? Wouldn't these companies have to be intimately familiar with the various complexities from obtaining materials, to prepping the site, to completing the work?

    I sounds more like a cop out or a weak justification for why these experts, in their field, may have done shoddy work. Have you driven Park Avenue lately? Do you find the surface hazardous? How about acceptable? I'm pretty sure Weir's has been in the paving business for a long time. There are zero reasons to professionally believe the public would find the condition of Park Ave. acceptable.

    Blaming the complexity of the job simply doesn't fly when the company in question are considered to be expertly capable and familiar with the work.........or did they get the job because they were the cheapest? There is more to this than mere skills, in my opinion. Weir's is certainly capable of doing better, they've done it before. Cost of materials or manpower, perhaps? I honestly don't know. I do know Park Ave. is one of the worst repairs I've ever seen.

  • b
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    Perhaps we should all call in to open line and complain, then Simms will get the message.

  • paul
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    C'mon guys, ease up on Danny! Edmonton is in one of the richest provinces in Canada and they don't even plow the streets in winter let alone fix potholes. Mount Pearl has the world by the tail.What are all these people yappin' about! Danny is doin' a great job!

  • Michael SG
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    I'm a registered civil engineer (Waterloo, Civil class of 89) who works for a consulting engineering company on in the St. John's area. I have been working on M&I projects, as well and roads and highways for 17 years. Thats all of the information I can legally disclose about my position as you can get in big trouble for having a personal opinion in my line of work. I can guarantee that I am extremely familiar with this type of job (most likely more then anybody doing labor for a construction company), and the work being done on Park Ave is typical of that type of job anywhere else on the island or in Canada for that mater. There are numerous pot holes in Toronto that could easily cause a vehicle to be written off. Some people just love to complain, and will complain about anything and everything they can. I'm no psychologist, but I'm sure theres some scientific name for those type of people and there seems to be alot of them in the Mount Pearl area.

  • Disgusted
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Park Avenue is the worst I have ever seen.....it's worst than being on a boat in rough seas trying to drive over that road....I have had to replace the shock and struts in my car since this work began, now I just try and totally avoid it by taking Smallwood drive, but how long before they move over there and make a mess of things. This is a ridiculous example of how taxpayer's money is being spent....patchwork just don't cut it anymore more, the whole street needs to be redone, some since of installing nice brick walkways at Park and Commonwealth when Park avenue is not fit to be on.

  • Jennifer
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    For those of you who have negative Opinions about the company it's obvious that you don't know what you are talking about , it's people's reputations that you are broadcasting over this , it's not easy doing what they are doing. So maybe you should think before you speak and write !!

  • Rob
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Park Ave. has exsposed the the Mt. Pearl Council and Engineering staff for their total incomptence. Developers and Contracters do as they wish in this city and Park Ave is a perfect example. I wouldn't let Weir's pave my drive.

  • Barney
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Park Ave is terrible and Weir's doing the work - good god it'll all be tore up again in 2 mos time after they finish it - if they ever finish it. I bet my last dollar that as soon as the new pavement is down & the sidewalks are done that it'll be a mess in now time. This is only the start - they did all the water lines up the full lenght of Park Ave. Than the brilliant minds behind Cent. Square - you can't get a parking spot by Coleman's anymore so just wait till that new condo bldg opens - it's going to be terrible. This winter is going to be a mess in that area - you can't take a left out of Coleman's onto Bannister now for god sakes.

  • ½ wit
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    Hey 'amused' I agree with you. Not only that, he sees brackets where there are none - lol. No surprise though considering the number of spelling mistakes he's been making. Illiteracy is still a big problem here in NL.

    Cubed person is bang on the money. Michael SG from NL should do his own research before embarking on platitudinous comments suggesting that others need to.

  • BRYAN
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    I wonder if the city ids going to pay for this womens car damage. Doubt it, city is to busy spending upgrades on the road every year. i lived here all my life and what a joke we are turning out to be. Get a grib Mr. Mayor, start outting some time into the city and less time falling asleep behind a microphone

  • Barney
    July 02, 2010 - 13:20

    To Jennifer & Michael SG - I am one person who knows exactly what this work is like - I've worked in the construction/heavy equipment industry for over 20 years. I stand by my comments 100%! What do you guys know about it?

  • The Real
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    I have lived in the area for 26 years and I must say the state of Park Avenue is a skidmark on the underpants of Mount Pearls civil engineering.

    Nuff Said.

  • Carol
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    Obviously, Michael SG has never driven over Park Avenue in the past year!!! It's about time something be done about this horrendous road!

  • Watcher
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    It wouldn't be so bad if they completed the job in a timely fashion, but it's been going on for well over a year!

    My folks live on Park Avenue and I actually dread going to visit them...

    Mount Pearl threw away millions on Centennial Square and that bloody snow dragon, when they should have spent it on fixing up their oldest street!

  • amused
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    Weir's construction - that should say it all. They also are doing a poor job on Dooling's Line in the Goulds. They have to be the worst company around for leaving jobs uncompleted and roads a mess. Don't they ever clean up after themselves? Why doesn't the city hire a proper paving company as in Modern Paving - now there's a company who knows how to complete a job and not leave a mess behind. They are also in the Goulds right now doing road work and I must say, they leave every thing neat and tidy for us local folks who live in the area! Hat's off to the paving crew in the Goulds!!!!!

  • Bones
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    That hole almost looks big enough for Randy Simms to hide in. Do your job Mr Big Shot Mayor. Theres more to your job that travel and food at tax payers expense.

  • ½ wit
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    '...risk assessments on the site...' did that assessment include having vehicles fall into holes.

    All these companies are overpaid because there is so little competition. Let's not forget 'the chroney network'.

    Professional does not mean expert. I know many people who are 'professionals'. Being a 'professional' means that you do something as a profession (meaning job), that's all. You may very well be very inept at what you do - but hey, it's paycheque. This is very different than an 'expert'. An 'expert' does not necessarily mean that person even works in the field in which he is an 'expert'. It just means that person is extremely qualified. I'd like to see more professionals who are experts. Clearly that's not the case here. This risk was not even assessed or they would not have taken the chance to allow traffic to pass through. I suggest a refund from the guy doing the 'risk assessment' as he overlooked public safety in a very big way. He's no expert, that's blatantly obvious.

    Consultant = one who condescends and insults. Just another pile of flesh soaking it for what they can get out of it. I'd like to see a list of what we are paying these people to allow the public to endanger their lives on roads assessed to be safe to drive on. It isn't minimum wage.

  • Angela
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    We see you're doing lots of work today Michael SG from NL. No wonder the roads are in such deplorable condition.

  • Dave
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    Mike SG
    With your superior intellect and distinguished education you should have known better! You have just been made a fool of by an internet troll! Good to see your education was money well spent. Learn some couth and stop trying to condescend to others. Your ring does not impress everyone

  • Barry
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    If Simms didnt have so many other part time jobs he could give our city the attention it needs. BRING ON THE ELECTION. Let Randy Simms do what he does best. Blabber off on radio and still say nothing.

  • Driver
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    Good Grief! Mount Pearl has one potholed street and the world stops turning. Oh,right ,I forgot,I thought potholes were normal and everyone had a Godgiven right to them. We have one pothole in St. John's too,it covers the entire city. I cannot figure out exactly what I pay property tax for.I can take my one bag of garbage per week to the dump on my own and I end up doing most of the snowclearing on my street on my own as well. Our current City Council is THE absolute worst. If you think Andy Wells was the nadir of mayors,think again.

    The good people of Mount Pearl didn't seem to mind driving over the big pothole known as Pitts Memorial Drive everyday to get to their St. John's jobs,just as long as they didn't have to pay to fix it.

  • The Real
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    Can I throw my two cents in on the situation. Since 2002 I have been performing risk assessments, primarily in the Oil and Gas Sector in Canada, United States, West Africa and North Sea. And in my opinion and experience, a risk assessment is the evaluation of the probability (and in some advanced cases, predictability) vs. Consequence of Failure of ANYTHING.

    Hell, I can create a risk assessment matrix right now if Michael SG wants me to on how this incident could have been assessed prior to constrution...lets see.

    Examining the Risk Factors and their respective Consequence of Failure First...

    Weather Conditions during construction
    1 - Sunny - no threat.
    2 - Mild Precipitation for 50% time of construction causing minor delays
    3 - Precipitation daily threat, difficult to construct, constant delays / shutdowns.

    Construction area
    1 - Isolated, country road
    4 - residential, mild traffic
    7 - resident, heavy traffic during peak times
    10 - Urban

    Water Drainage
    1 - not at threat from flood, heavy downpour, not located at base of incline
    2 - Experiences increased water problems during heavy precipitation
    10 - Constrant Threat from water damage

    Now, you would measure these consequences of failure to the probability, for example

    1 - No Risk
    2 - Low Probability
    3 - Medium
    4 - Likely
    5 - Very Likely

    The product of PoF and CoF gives you risk.

    Once the risk is known for EACH EVENT, you create the necessary mitigation factors.

    For example,

    Weather - plan in summer months

    Construction Environment - Create necessary traffic controls and understand the road environment and the state of the former foundation, soil, elevation, and threat to flooding.

    A Risk Model can be created to measure anything and all you need is KNOW and UNDERSTAND ALL risk factors. Then you gather those with the qualified experience to give their two cents on each and every EVENT.

    It's obvious the company on the front page on the telegram did not do that.

    Phew, Nuff Said.

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:12

    I wonder if Mount Pearl is trying to catch up and surpass St. John's for the worst city streets on the Avalon. It's already been pointed out the mess on Park Avenue. Yes, Weir's is doing the roadwork and if it is the same as what they have done on the Outer Ring, it will be fortunate if it lasts six months. Also, the intersections at Old Placentia Rd. and Ruth Ave. and Old Placentia Rd. and Smallwood Drive are in a terrible mess, especially that at Smallwood Drive. All they have been doing the past two years at least is the infamous patch work which never lasts any more than a couple of weeks. Come on Mr. Mayor and City Hall, let's put the tax payers hard earned money to work on something useful for a change.

  • Dave
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    People from Mount Pearl are so quick to dump on the clearing and the condition of the roads in St. John's. We have some big potholes yes, but we haven't come close to losing an entire vehicle in one yet. Then again, just give O'Keefe a few more months on the job and ...

  • ³
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    To anyone who THINKS he/she knows the difference between Risk Assessment and Economic Viability and confuses the two, let me help you out...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_assessment

    BTW - real professionals have substantiative reasons for merits not derogatory comments.

  • Wince
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    Michael SG... since you are so knowledgeable, answer this question. What happened to the portion of Park Ave that was completed last year? How difficult is it to actually pave it and make it level? It must clearly be difficult since that completed project induces sea sickness if you drive over it too fast.

  • Mikalah
    July 01, 2010 - 20:25

    I've seen the type of work Weir's construction has done - they did Southland's Blvd, etc...and that had to be done again - it took months to complete....and they still get contract work??????? I wouldn't hire them to pave a birdhouse walkway!!! The Council should put this back on tender and get a construction company that actually know what to do!!!

  • amused
    July 01, 2010 - 20:25

    Sounds like Michael SG has too much time on his hands to be posting comments in such length instead of doing what he says he does so well - consulting! hmmmmm

  • Wince
    July 01, 2010 - 20:21

    The council in Mt. Pearl should all hang their heads in shame at the mess that's been made on Park Avenue. In all my life I've never seen such a horrible job made of a road repair.

    Even the section that was completed last year isn't fit to drive on. You almost need a dune buggy to drive over it.

    Get this mess fixed Mr. Simms. It's a black eye for the community of Mt. Pearl and an annoyance for the residents in the area.

  • Jennifer
    July 01, 2010 - 20:20

    Well Mr.Barney , You of all people knowing what you know that it's not very professional to talk about your peers in the industry No matter what the issue is and you don't know what they are facing it is an older part of Mt.Pearl . I think this is a coward way of doing it , so Nobody knows who you are !!

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 20:19

    The work done on Park Avenue is a joke. Why couldn't they just pave the whole street instead of doing it in strips.

    It probably would have cost less money to pave the whole street, if you factor in the time it takes to try and cut out strips all over the place and then patch it in....then repair it all again....and again.....and again.

    The project is a total waste of tax payers money.

    Very poor planning.

    The city would be better off with a dirt road.

  • Nasty
    July 01, 2010 - 20:18

    Hey, you want action, stop paying your taxes till they fix whats broke first. You paid for it all, but look at what you were given. The customer is always right, and the tax payers are the customers. From here on out stand as ONE and REFUSE to pay till the work you paid for is done properly.

    Otherwise you are just as bad as those that continue to rip you off.

  • Michael SG
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    I absolutely despise hearing people complain about roads and then act like if they were the ones in charge, they would have the place cleaned up lickity split and it would last until the end of time. For some reason, I just don't believe that this is the case. The people put in charge of these type of multi-million dollar projects did not just walk into that type of job. Most of them have been working on that type of project for decades and are experts on the subject. Most of the time, the people who do all of the complaining about the roads are the ones who are oblivious to all of the things that are involved in a major project like that. They just see that the roads are bad and then wonder what their income tax is being spent on. To those people I ask, Do you know how much is costs to rent heavy equipment? Do you know how much it costs to have tonnes and tonnes of waste material removed? Do you know how much it costs to have consultants do risk assessments on the site to determine if its economically viable? The answers to these questions are the same. A LOT OF MONEY. They have no idea that their ANNUAL income tax is most likely not even enough to pay ONE linesman for ONE month, let alone rent out teams of heavy equipment and operators among MANY, MANY other things. In these tough economical times you should consider yourself lucky to have a road to drive on, hell, you should consider yourself lucky to be paying income tax. Most people are out of work. Oh, and one more thing, John from NL, its not probable that it would be more economically viable to replace the entire road. There's not even a chance that this is true. You want to know why? BECAUSE THATS WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE DONE!!!! The people who proposed this job spent months and months preparing the proposal and most definitely worked out the cost for an entire replacement as well as for patch work, and it is best practice with government tenders to go with the most economically viable option. And you can be sure that the professionals who did the proposal included the fact that more patch work will be needed in the future. Here's an idea! How about you go out on your own, figure out all of the information to do a proposal for road repair on Park Ave, and send it in to the government. If your as smart as you think you are, you'll be working for Danny in no time.

  • Michael SG
    July 01, 2010 - 20:16

    oh my god...

    I didn't believe that somebody could be this uneducated but I guess you can can't expect a whole lot from somebody who consistently labels themselves a Half-wit

    A Risk Assessment, contrary to what your small little mind thinks, is an assessment that is done to display the economical viability of a project based on how much its going to cost when weighed against how much its going go help. In lament terms, it asks the question Is this project smart from an economical standpoint? It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the risk of cars falling into pot holes or anything even in the same ballpark as that....I actually feel a little embarrassed for you....

    ....and don't put Risk Assessment in brackets as if to say that its an imaginary thing....look it up you imbecile

    And no, my employer does not pay people like me a wage like a Macdonald's employee or road worker. I've saved consulting companies millions of dollars....things like wages change a little once people realize that you have, AND are able to use a brain.

    Please don't get upset when somebody like me comes along and tells it like it is. You come off looking like a simpleton...

  • amused
    July 01, 2010 - 20:16

    Sounds like Michael SG from NL works for Weir's? hmmm!

  • The Real Picture Here
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    Everyone should stop and think about the people in that vehicle (lady and two small children) who could have been very seriously hurt. Whoever is doing the job on Park Ave. or anywhere for that matter should be more cautious before they allow traffic to drive through construction areas! Safety should be the first thing on everyone's mind.

  • janet
    July 01, 2010 - 20:13

    i have lived in mt pearl most of my life, and iam appalled at the state of park avenue, i can,t believe that construction is allowed to continue doing work in this city, i have an older car that i am desperately trying to hang on to, but if i have to drive on park aavenue anymore, it looks like i may have to be walking,because there won,t be any parts left on my car.

  • Bones
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    Michael SG: I always though experts were hired to do this work because they were intimately involved with the complexities of such a job. While the points you make certainly do not lack validity, I find myself wondering about things I thought were obvious.

    I don't bid on construction jobs because I am far from an expert. I don't do dental work either, I leave it to the experts, lol.
    Wouldn't any company bidding on a large project like that certainly be considered to be experts in the field? Wouldn't these companies have to be intimately familiar with the various complexities from obtaining materials, to prepping the site, to completing the work?

    I sounds more like a cop out or a weak justification for why these experts, in their field, may have done shoddy work. Have you driven Park Avenue lately? Do you find the surface hazardous? How about acceptable? I'm pretty sure Weir's has been in the paving business for a long time. There are zero reasons to professionally believe the public would find the condition of Park Ave. acceptable.

    Blaming the complexity of the job simply doesn't fly when the company in question are considered to be expertly capable and familiar with the work.........or did they get the job because they were the cheapest? There is more to this than mere skills, in my opinion. Weir's is certainly capable of doing better, they've done it before. Cost of materials or manpower, perhaps? I honestly don't know. I do know Park Ave. is one of the worst repairs I've ever seen.

  • b
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    Perhaps we should all call in to open line and complain, then Simms will get the message.

  • paul
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    C'mon guys, ease up on Danny! Edmonton is in one of the richest provinces in Canada and they don't even plow the streets in winter let alone fix potholes. Mount Pearl has the world by the tail.What are all these people yappin' about! Danny is doin' a great job!

  • Michael SG
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    I'm a registered civil engineer (Waterloo, Civil class of 89) who works for a consulting engineering company on in the St. John's area. I have been working on M&I projects, as well and roads and highways for 17 years. Thats all of the information I can legally disclose about my position as you can get in big trouble for having a personal opinion in my line of work. I can guarantee that I am extremely familiar with this type of job (most likely more then anybody doing labor for a construction company), and the work being done on Park Ave is typical of that type of job anywhere else on the island or in Canada for that mater. There are numerous pot holes in Toronto that could easily cause a vehicle to be written off. Some people just love to complain, and will complain about anything and everything they can. I'm no psychologist, but I'm sure theres some scientific name for those type of people and there seems to be alot of them in the Mount Pearl area.

  • Disgusted
    July 01, 2010 - 20:07

    Park Avenue is the worst I have ever seen.....it's worst than being on a boat in rough seas trying to drive over that road....I have had to replace the shock and struts in my car since this work began, now I just try and totally avoid it by taking Smallwood drive, but how long before they move over there and make a mess of things. This is a ridiculous example of how taxpayer's money is being spent....patchwork just don't cut it anymore more, the whole street needs to be redone, some since of installing nice brick walkways at Park and Commonwealth when Park avenue is not fit to be on.

  • Jennifer
    July 01, 2010 - 20:06

    For those of you who have negative Opinions about the company it's obvious that you don't know what you are talking about , it's people's reputations that you are broadcasting over this , it's not easy doing what they are doing. So maybe you should think before you speak and write !!

  • Rob
    July 01, 2010 - 20:06

    Park Ave. has exsposed the the Mt. Pearl Council and Engineering staff for their total incomptence. Developers and Contracters do as they wish in this city and Park Ave is a perfect example. I wouldn't let Weir's pave my drive.

  • Barney
    July 01, 2010 - 20:06

    Park Ave is terrible and Weir's doing the work - good god it'll all be tore up again in 2 mos time after they finish it - if they ever finish it. I bet my last dollar that as soon as the new pavement is down & the sidewalks are done that it'll be a mess in now time. This is only the start - they did all the water lines up the full lenght of Park Ave. Than the brilliant minds behind Cent. Square - you can't get a parking spot by Coleman's anymore so just wait till that new condo bldg opens - it's going to be terrible. This winter is going to be a mess in that area - you can't take a left out of Coleman's onto Bannister now for god sakes.

  • ½ wit
    July 01, 2010 - 20:05

    Hey 'amused' I agree with you. Not only that, he sees brackets where there are none - lol. No surprise though considering the number of spelling mistakes he's been making. Illiteracy is still a big problem here in NL.

    Cubed person is bang on the money. Michael SG from NL should do his own research before embarking on platitudinous comments suggesting that others need to.

  • BRYAN
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    I wonder if the city ids going to pay for this womens car damage. Doubt it, city is to busy spending upgrades on the road every year. i lived here all my life and what a joke we are turning out to be. Get a grib Mr. Mayor, start outting some time into the city and less time falling asleep behind a microphone

  • Barney
    July 01, 2010 - 20:03

    To Jennifer & Michael SG - I am one person who knows exactly what this work is like - I've worked in the construction/heavy equipment industry for over 20 years. I stand by my comments 100%! What do you guys know about it?

  • The Real
    July 01, 2010 - 20:01

    I have lived in the area for 26 years and I must say the state of Park Avenue is a skidmark on the underpants of Mount Pearls civil engineering.

    Nuff Said.

  • Carol
    July 01, 2010 - 20:00

    Obviously, Michael SG has never driven over Park Avenue in the past year!!! It's about time something be done about this horrendous road!

  • Watcher
    July 01, 2010 - 20:00

    It wouldn't be so bad if they completed the job in a timely fashion, but it's been going on for well over a year!

    My folks live on Park Avenue and I actually dread going to visit them...

    Mount Pearl threw away millions on Centennial Square and that bloody snow dragon, when they should have spent it on fixing up their oldest street!

  • amused
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    Weir's construction - that should say it all. They also are doing a poor job on Dooling's Line in the Goulds. They have to be the worst company around for leaving jobs uncompleted and roads a mess. Don't they ever clean up after themselves? Why doesn't the city hire a proper paving company as in Modern Paving - now there's a company who knows how to complete a job and not leave a mess behind. They are also in the Goulds right now doing road work and I must say, they leave every thing neat and tidy for us local folks who live in the area! Hat's off to the paving crew in the Goulds!!!!!

  • Bones
    July 01, 2010 - 19:58

    That hole almost looks big enough for Randy Simms to hide in. Do your job Mr Big Shot Mayor. Theres more to your job that travel and food at tax payers expense.

  • ½ wit
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    '...risk assessments on the site...' did that assessment include having vehicles fall into holes.

    All these companies are overpaid because there is so little competition. Let's not forget 'the chroney network'.

    Professional does not mean expert. I know many people who are 'professionals'. Being a 'professional' means that you do something as a profession (meaning job), that's all. You may very well be very inept at what you do - but hey, it's paycheque. This is very different than an 'expert'. An 'expert' does not necessarily mean that person even works in the field in which he is an 'expert'. It just means that person is extremely qualified. I'd like to see more professionals who are experts. Clearly that's not the case here. This risk was not even assessed or they would not have taken the chance to allow traffic to pass through. I suggest a refund from the guy doing the 'risk assessment' as he overlooked public safety in a very big way. He's no expert, that's blatantly obvious.

    Consultant = one who condescends and insults. Just another pile of flesh soaking it for what they can get out of it. I'd like to see a list of what we are paying these people to allow the public to endanger their lives on roads assessed to be safe to drive on. It isn't minimum wage.

  • Angela
    July 01, 2010 - 19:55

    We see you're doing lots of work today Michael SG from NL. No wonder the roads are in such deplorable condition.

  • Dave
    July 01, 2010 - 19:54

    Mike SG
    With your superior intellect and distinguished education you should have known better! You have just been made a fool of by an internet troll! Good to see your education was money well spent. Learn some couth and stop trying to condescend to others. Your ring does not impress everyone

  • Barry
    July 01, 2010 - 19:53

    If Simms didnt have so many other part time jobs he could give our city the attention it needs. BRING ON THE ELECTION. Let Randy Simms do what he does best. Blabber off on radio and still say nothing.

  • Driver
    July 01, 2010 - 19:52

    Good Grief! Mount Pearl has one potholed street and the world stops turning. Oh,right ,I forgot,I thought potholes were normal and everyone had a Godgiven right to them. We have one pothole in St. John's too,it covers the entire city. I cannot figure out exactly what I pay property tax for.I can take my one bag of garbage per week to the dump on my own and I end up doing most of the snowclearing on my street on my own as well. Our current City Council is THE absolute worst. If you think Andy Wells was the nadir of mayors,think again.

    The good people of Mount Pearl didn't seem to mind driving over the big pothole known as Pitts Memorial Drive everyday to get to their St. John's jobs,just as long as they didn't have to pay to fix it.

  • The Real
    July 01, 2010 - 19:50

    Can I throw my two cents in on the situation. Since 2002 I have been performing risk assessments, primarily in the Oil and Gas Sector in Canada, United States, West Africa and North Sea. And in my opinion and experience, a risk assessment is the evaluation of the probability (and in some advanced cases, predictability) vs. Consequence of Failure of ANYTHING.

    Hell, I can create a risk assessment matrix right now if Michael SG wants me to on how this incident could have been assessed prior to constrution...lets see.

    Examining the Risk Factors and their respective Consequence of Failure First...

    Weather Conditions during construction
    1 - Sunny - no threat.
    2 - Mild Precipitation for 50% time of construction causing minor delays
    3 - Precipitation daily threat, difficult to construct, constant delays / shutdowns.

    Construction area
    1 - Isolated, country road
    4 - residential, mild traffic
    7 - resident, heavy traffic during peak times
    10 - Urban

    Water Drainage
    1 - not at threat from flood, heavy downpour, not located at base of incline
    2 - Experiences increased water problems during heavy precipitation
    10 - Constrant Threat from water damage

    Now, you would measure these consequences of failure to the probability, for example

    1 - No Risk
    2 - Low Probability
    3 - Medium
    4 - Likely
    5 - Very Likely

    The product of PoF and CoF gives you risk.

    Once the risk is known for EACH EVENT, you create the necessary mitigation factors.

    For example,

    Weather - plan in summer months

    Construction Environment - Create necessary traffic controls and understand the road environment and the state of the former foundation, soil, elevation, and threat to flooding.

    A Risk Model can be created to measure anything and all you need is KNOW and UNDERSTAND ALL risk factors. Then you gather those with the qualified experience to give their two cents on each and every EVENT.

    It's obvious the company on the front page on the telegram did not do that.

    Phew, Nuff Said.

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 19:50

    I wonder if Mount Pearl is trying to catch up and surpass St. John's for the worst city streets on the Avalon. It's already been pointed out the mess on Park Avenue. Yes, Weir's is doing the roadwork and if it is the same as what they have done on the Outer Ring, it will be fortunate if it lasts six months. Also, the intersections at Old Placentia Rd. and Ruth Ave. and Old Placentia Rd. and Smallwood Drive are in a terrible mess, especially that at Smallwood Drive. All they have been doing the past two years at least is the infamous patch work which never lasts any more than a couple of weeks. Come on Mr. Mayor and City Hall, let's put the tax payers hard earned money to work on something useful for a change.

  • Dave
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    People from Mount Pearl are so quick to dump on the clearing and the condition of the roads in St. John's. We have some big potholes yes, but we haven't come close to losing an entire vehicle in one yet. Then again, just give O'Keefe a few more months on the job and ...

  • ³
    July 01, 2010 - 19:45

    To anyone who THINKS he/she knows the difference between Risk Assessment and Economic Viability and confuses the two, let me help you out...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_assessment

    BTW - real professionals have substantiative reasons for merits not derogatory comments.

  • Wince
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    Michael SG... since you are so knowledgeable, answer this question. What happened to the portion of Park Ave that was completed last year? How difficult is it to actually pave it and make it level? It must clearly be difficult since that completed project induces sea sickness if you drive over it too fast.