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  • rob
    July 02, 2010 - 13:35

    Why would you ever dream of moving to The Concrete Course of Glendenning. Flat boring holes, Hard bumpy fairways and Overpriced. Please keep the Beautiful Green Lush Fairways and greens of Baly Haly where it is, even if you can only get out there once in a while with the Semi Private rules.

  • Identity Crisis
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    Southlands may technically be St. John's but it is practically, and for all intents and purposes, Mount Pearl. It is St. John's by words only. It's like developing a gravel pit in Deer Lake and calling it part of St. John's. Where are those people going to shop and do business ? Deer Lake, or in this case, Mount Pearl. Foolish.

  • Jim
    July 02, 2010 - 13:34

    Sounds like a great plan.... BH is not much more than a cow field anyways!

  • K
    July 02, 2010 - 13:32

    Glendenning is a beautiful golf course, and if anyone ever golfed there before they would realize that. However, switching Baly Hally with Glendenning, there are some questions that need to be asked. First of all, why would Glendenning be willing to give up their golf course? Second, if the land Baly Hally is on would be consumed by a subdivision of some sort why don't they just sell off the land and create a brand new course on the outskirts of St. John's? A lot of questions left unanswered.

  • FOREEEEEE
    July 02, 2010 - 13:31

    Donny strikes again.

    If Donny would bathe and change his underwear more than twice a week, he wouldn't have to concern himself with foul odors.

    It would be a shame if Baly Haly was turned into building lots for the rich and not so famous, only because it is a nice green area in th centre of the city of St. John's, however I could'nt care less about the golf component.

    It will be interesting to see how the psudo councill in St. John's handle this one.

  • Lilly
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    I can't believe my eyes! East side vs West side. You have to be kidding me! I guess some people have forgotten that it doesn't matter if you live in St. John's, Labrador or anywhere in between. We should count our blessings that we live in such a beautiful province. I know alot of people (as you all may) who would love the opportunity to live on this beautiful island we call HOME. Stop the bickering and concentrate on the issue at hand. It really doesn't matter what side of the GREEN you live on because the grass is always green in Newfoundland.

  • George
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    I caddied there as a kid;I spent a lot of my summers having fun at Bally Haly.It still brings back a lot of memories;;;It would be a total shame .We played there in caddy tournaments ;;that was just awesome for us kids back then. Shame-- Shame.

    George;;

  • Ondelay
    July 02, 2010 - 13:30

    Honestly, this can't be true. I can't imagine members, who by the way own the course, would go for this. Why would anyone living in the area want to drive to mt. pearl to play golf? Furthermore, the cost will certainly rise as well. It's bad enough now.

    As for someone calling Admirals Green a championship course, obviously a joke. Windmills Green is a better name for it. The shape that the course is in is poverty. They as well had to redo the layout of the course due to residential homes in the area of airport heights. Bally Haly does have its own irrigation systems, and because of that, the course is in fantastic shape.

    As for all the comments about the Pearl and St. John's. You are all close with your remarks, but I think the residents are more along the lines of people from the outskirts and around the bay that couldn't afford to buy a house or pay property taxes in town. They will never amalgamate, too stubborn. They are out of land, what you see is what you get, other than a few homes being put up in Kenny Rogers old neighborhood at Cucumberville by the old tin can.

    Same thing would happen if they ever decided to turn Bowring Park in to a subdivision.

    To Adam and your members vote properly and keep it where it is.

  • Sam
    July 02, 2010 - 13:29

    Good point snook.

  • s
    July 02, 2010 - 13:28

    it would be downright criminal to give up this beautiful green space. we in the east end are fed up with the amount of development in this section of the city. with the number of seniors residences being erected and the numerous sub divisions coming up around here we expect the next thing they will try to do is drain all of the ponds in the area and build on the drained sites. leave bally halys grounds alone.

  • sandy
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    As a former member of Bally Haly, this course has to make a decision to expand and improve or move as it was talked about 25 years ago. As it can't expand, in fact it may be reduced again for safety reasons,( to close to houses and fairways almost override each other). All older courses like Bally have had to expand to meet modern layout designs for championship courses. As a side note, doesn't Bally's irrigation system use the City's water supply ? There are no ponds of waters in that area. It is not a championship course, as is Clovelly and Admirals's Green. Bally has many very good golfers who deserve a championship course and so they can compete in national tournaments without always finishing at the bottom. In fact Bally has lost many of its members to championship courses like Clovelly and Admirals Green. I do not know of any who has gone to Glendenning, because it is not a championship course. It is more for beginners and woman and seniors and the conditions are not great. In fact, it was closed for business several years ago for a full year due to no grass on fairways. It has very little water and fairways were hydroseeded with very, very little topsoil if any. I played there several weeks ago and found the fairways to be almost hard as pavement. In my view, you will get very, very few BH members who would want to play at Glendenning; most would go to Clovelly and Admirals Green.

    I like very many would be concerned about the loss of green space in the east end; developers couldn't care less. I would suggest that the City re-zone only a portion of this land for development and leave enough of the golf course for 9 holes municipal course. Every city in Canada has a municipal golf course, not St John's !

    A question I have is; If Glendenning made this offer to Bally, as reported by the news media, and Danny Williams is the majority owner of this golf course, who made the decision for this offer given all his assets are in a blind trust. Who would make this decision?

  • C
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    Can someone clarify what is the proposal... I ain't that good at reading/understanding... but is the offer for Glendenning and BH to switch clubs? or will BH be re-built at another location close to Glendenning so there will be two courses in southlands???

    I heard about 2-3 years ago that the plan for GLendenning was to build another 9 holes at that facilty - 27 in total. I guess they are having trouble with that plan with all the residential development planned for Southlands.

    wasn't there plans for a golf course up off Kenmount road area too as mentioned a few years back?? fat chance getting any green spaces (not just golf courses) approved by st. john's. seems as if all available space is going to be used for 50x100 residential housing lots...

  • Identity Crisis
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    I haven't lived in Mount Pearl for 25 years, but back then it was a very clear separate township from St. John's. St. John's has been check-mated/blocked by Mount Pearl in terms of growth potential. St. John's will need to come to an agreement with Mount Pearl if it doesn't want Mount Pearl to outgrow and outsize it into the future. Mount Pearl and it's industrial parks have trumped that of St. John's and carry heavier economic clout present and future than St. John's. Amalagmation is not a completely bad idea, but look who holds all the cards. My guess is St. John's will need to sweeten the pot before Mount Pearl residents allow it. They'll not be forced, that's a ridiculous statement. There'd be a huge public backlash in my humble opinion.

    If I remember correctly, even the weather is different in Mount Pearl than St. John's. It's like a different world. Mount Pearl is always warmer and not nearly clouded over as much. Clouded, much like some St. Johnsians' thinking.

  • John
    July 02, 2010 - 13:27

    The attitude of the members of Bally Hally is typical of the attitude of most people in St. John's, especially East of Bonaventure Ave, that Mt. Pearl does not measure up to their standards and thus they will have nothing to do with anything in Mt. Pearl. Only in St. John's, pity.

  • Billy
    July 02, 2010 - 13:26

    Definition of GOLF:

    A game invented by the Scots, for days when the weather is too bad to stay in the house!

  • cornergirl
    July 02, 2010 - 13:25

    You may not have to build a clubhouse but Bally Haly is also a Curling club in case anyone cares- any room for that in Glendenning? That also means one less public course in the City so you can expect golf fees to go up.

  • George from Northern Pen
    July 02, 2010 - 13:24

    Man isn't it amazing how a discussion on moving a golf course can bring out the knuckle heads and the dialogue can regress into a war of words between parts of the city and Mount Pearl.

    Being from rural Newfoundland I think you all have a major issue with identity. I'm from the East End! I'm from South Lands!

    Better if you people from Sin Jawns spent your time trying to get the city to fix up your terrible roads. Better if councils and the citizens of the entire area dealt with the annual water shortage.

  • Joey P
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    If accepted (which I don't think it will be), I like to see this rezoning an election issue. The course has been there so long, that I think its a decision for the people of the city, not just the 'membership'. Maybe this might be Memorial Stadium all over again.

  • mcgrath
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    It would be sad to see another great area of the city torn apart by economics rather than been satisified with the beauty the place offers all who go there.

    This is not an east/west matter but affects all the city when it gives up some of it little remaining beauty spots to build oversized houses to fill the greedy need of overpaid businessmen and millioaire politicians and other professionals.

    Shame on even suggesting such an option.

  • Coda
    July 02, 2010 - 13:23

    I'm having such a laugh at some of the comments that have been written.
    I can see an internal feud building between the west and east city dwellers.

    Although I do agree that it Baly Halley has to downsize, but it shouldn't have happened in the first place. I wonder why the city is allowing this to happen to an area that has been around a lot longer than the people in the City Office.
    But then again, looking at it from another perspective, out of the population of the local area, how many of them are patronizing the area as compared to Bowering Park? That is probably the biggest factor in the City's determination of the rezoning issue of the land.

    And yes, I'm one of those that says Southlands as a part of Mount Pearl , but knowing on paper it is part of St. John's.

    But for those comments about the smell, do any of you live / work by the brewery? The smell from the farm usually occurs twice or three times the summer. The smell from the brewery is once or twice every week all year. That is bad too!

    Donny, from all of your comments over time, on the various subject that The Telegram has printed, it's obvious that you are one retired grumpy ole man, that don't have anyone home left with you to grumble with. I do enjoy your instigating, out to lunch, comments though. LOL!

  • MG
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    Let me get this straight. 900 housing units have the go ahead on 65 acres in Pleasantville. There's 100+ acres at Bally Haly. Potentially we could see 1000 units on the former golf course. So, in the next few years there could be 2000 new units in this area. Yet, we currently have a water system infrastructure that cannot properly provide for existing residents. Oh boy...I can't wait to discuss this with council candidates when they come knocking on my door!

  • George
    July 02, 2010 - 13:22

    I caddied there as a kid;I spent a lot of my summers having fun at Bally Haly.It still brings back a lot of memories;;;It would be a total shame .We played there in caddy tournaments ;;that was just awesome for us kids back then. Shame-- Shame.

    George;;

  • Timmy
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    How do you get to Mt Pearl anyway?
    Drive out Topsail rd until you run out of class!!!

  • Telling it like it is
    July 02, 2010 - 13:21

    To Donny Dooley,

    Can someone buy Donny Dooly a map (and a brain)....

    Southlands is part of St. John's.

    Oh, and that stink you mentioned.....which must refer to the stench eminating from Brookfield Road....that comes from St. John's as well.

    I believe the response you are looking for Donny is....D'Oh!

  • Snook
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    Identity Crisis from St. John's/Deer Lake, NL/Quebec writes: Southlands may technically be St. John's but it is practically, and for all intents and purposes, Mount Pearl. It is St. John's by words only.

    Same is being said about Mt. Pearl. It is a city and separate identity from St. John's by words only ... Still can't understand why Mt. Pearl hasn't erected a large statue in the 'town' square of Neil Windsor because if it wasnt for him, you would have been 'Officially' part St. Johns many years ago. All you little bedroom Pearlites should be kissing his feet at least until time runs out for you and the provincial government forces amalgamation. It's not if this will happen, but when. If your gossip radio show host mayor Randy Simms had any love for your community, he would approach St. Johns and negotiate terms to amalgamate while he has a bargaining chip rather then wait until you are forced.

  • john
    July 02, 2010 - 13:19

    The notion of relocating or moving Bally Hally Golf Course is very foolish and impossible, you cannot move Bally Hally, you can build another Golf course somewhere else and call it Bally Hally, but you would still be destroying the original Bally Hally course and the wonderful green space it contains.

  • Sluggo
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    Soap Box time :)

    Bally Haly; old course, produces good golfers - go figure! Yardage does not make a golf course good.

    GD..new course...but any g course is a good one.

    I agree with Coda...all good fun.

    On the surface it looks too good to be true, shinny new course...look deeper, the members are what make the place fun to play, not the course. But I could be wrong? lol

  • Green space forever
    July 02, 2010 - 13:18

    All this talking of green space ... in the city of St. John's? That'a joke.

    Seems the developers move in and stack houses & buildings so tight you can't run your lawn mower between houses. Front doors are couple feet from the sidewalk. It's rediculous. Just go around all the new housing areas and try to spot the green spaces !! Speaks to the greed of the developers and the poor planning at City Hall. City and developers don't believe in green space. They think green space is the little bit of lawn that runs between the front of homes and sidewalk.

    Even in the bigger cities in Canada around every housing area, malls you will find green space.

    Our city should regularions should state that for every so many houses there must be so much green space left with buffers around the housing areas instead of them build right on the streets.

    Developers don't care - all they want is to see just how many houes they can fit in and how much money they can make.

  • Tom
    July 02, 2010 - 13:17

    More crucial inner city green space about to be vaporized. This city council will flog this away for the dollars without a doubt if you ask me. Again and again throwing away vital green space. Bring in the Toronto concrete jungle - right DOK?

  • Jill
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    Sure lets just cut more greenspace. We development Mount Cashell, the Ring Road.

    I can see the course from my lawn. Let's just hope they make this decision fast so I know if I need to start looking at real-estate. I'll be moving.

    Bally Hally, do the right thing.

  • don
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    What is this? Developers promoting a development plan! Find out if there is a politician is involved in this and you'll find out what the outcome will be. Better keep a close watch on this one folks.

  • k
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    Timmy from Town, soooo funny! you must live in the east end! Tink's yer' grand, hey?

  • Snapper
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    I hit my first golf ball at Bally Haly and have some very fond memories from this club, I trust the current members and board will do the right thing and say no thanks to this offer..lets keep this strong tradition going for another 101 years. Just can't see the townee establishment going past the overpass to golf!

  • Jon
    July 02, 2010 - 13:16

    Timmy from Town: I always thought it was drive out Topsail Rd. until you hit good pavement.

  • Annadan
    July 02, 2010 - 13:15

    It's time to sit down & look at some long-range planning for all this new development. Besides the water issue, schools, medical clinics, shopping, traffic flow etc all need to be included when a developer puts together a proposal for these mega-projects

  • Donny
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    Get to Mt. Pearl? Keep going out Topsail Road until you hear the cd recording of the church bells on Park Ave. How phony can you get! I mean really! How much would a bell cost and a belfry? Where are the bats hiding? In the cd player?

  • Billy
    July 02, 2010 - 13:14

    Bally Haly is a big issue for me because I have lived across the street 30yrs. I am very disappointed that Maureen Williams and associates would try to ruin our neighbourhood in this way.If they want to build condos they should do it across from Pringle Place and buy riverdale club in their own neighbourhood. What a double play, trade with Bally Haly, how rude and disrespectful of this Iconic Club that has been here for over a century.Some people are so greedy.I can't imagine the members going for this.

  • Truth
    July 02, 2010 - 13:13

    Identity Crisis, you need to get real about Da Pearl. Mount Pearl would be nothing without St. John's' support. Did you ever get your own hospital after? That elevator? Mount Pearl and those who live there and work here in St. John's, in particular, leech off this city and its taxpayers.

    Amalgamation is the best for both cities (Mount Pearl is like a big suburb of the grand capital anyway) and is inevitable. How's your 12 year-old Mayor? Oh right, he works in St. John's now as one Danny's little lemmings.

    Mount Pearl was always lame, always trying to create its own identity in the colossal shadow of North America's oldest city.

    As for Glendenning, I know little about it. Is it the former The Woods course, or is that separate?! It's Danny Williams owned, eh? Of course. He owns and runs everything on the Avalon!! And beyond.

    Bally Haly, stay put, or would that be stay putt?

  • Gary
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Whats up with this? Does Danny Williams want to move it somewhere? Perhaps to a gravel pit. Less competition for his golf empire that way.

  • Heather
    July 02, 2010 - 13:11

    Bally Haly is part of the heritage of St. John's. Leave it alone. And SW's comments hit the mark

  • Wayne
    July 02, 2010 - 13:10

    Keep the green in the east;grand old course, too much history to give up!!

  • Harry
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    Wonder if one of Danny Williams buddies is behind all this? We all know Danny keeps them happy at our expense.

  • Donny
    July 02, 2010 - 13:09

    Ha........the members are not foolish enough to swap. Who wants to play golf in Mt. Pearl with the stink of cows and farms drifting past your nose while you're trying to tee off..........nobody!

  • charlie
    July 02, 2010 - 13:08

    this story has nothing to do with mt. pearl. glenndenning is in southlands, southlands is part of st. john's. glenndenning and southlands pay taxes to st. john's. case closed. some people will take any opportunity to take shots at the residents/city of mt. pearl regardless of the story. kind of pathetic when you think of it when residents of st. john's do not even know their own boundary lines.

  • rob
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    Why would you ever dream of moving to The Concrete Course of Glendenning. Flat boring holes, Hard bumpy fairways and Overpriced. Please keep the Beautiful Green Lush Fairways and greens of Baly Haly where it is, even if you can only get out there once in a while with the Semi Private rules.

  • Identity Crisis
    July 01, 2010 - 20:24

    Southlands may technically be St. John's but it is practically, and for all intents and purposes, Mount Pearl. It is St. John's by words only. It's like developing a gravel pit in Deer Lake and calling it part of St. John's. Where are those people going to shop and do business ? Deer Lake, or in this case, Mount Pearl. Foolish.

  • Jim
    July 01, 2010 - 20:23

    Sounds like a great plan.... BH is not much more than a cow field anyways!

  • K
    July 01, 2010 - 20:21

    Glendenning is a beautiful golf course, and if anyone ever golfed there before they would realize that. However, switching Baly Hally with Glendenning, there are some questions that need to be asked. First of all, why would Glendenning be willing to give up their golf course? Second, if the land Baly Hally is on would be consumed by a subdivision of some sort why don't they just sell off the land and create a brand new course on the outskirts of St. John's? A lot of questions left unanswered.

  • FOREEEEEE
    July 01, 2010 - 20:19

    Donny strikes again.

    If Donny would bathe and change his underwear more than twice a week, he wouldn't have to concern himself with foul odors.

    It would be a shame if Baly Haly was turned into building lots for the rich and not so famous, only because it is a nice green area in th centre of the city of St. John's, however I could'nt care less about the golf component.

    It will be interesting to see how the psudo councill in St. John's handle this one.

  • Lilly
    July 01, 2010 - 20:18

    I can't believe my eyes! East side vs West side. You have to be kidding me! I guess some people have forgotten that it doesn't matter if you live in St. John's, Labrador or anywhere in between. We should count our blessings that we live in such a beautiful province. I know alot of people (as you all may) who would love the opportunity to live on this beautiful island we call HOME. Stop the bickering and concentrate on the issue at hand. It really doesn't matter what side of the GREEN you live on because the grass is always green in Newfoundland.

  • George
    July 01, 2010 - 20:18

    I caddied there as a kid;I spent a lot of my summers having fun at Bally Haly.It still brings back a lot of memories;;;It would be a total shame .We played there in caddy tournaments ;;that was just awesome for us kids back then. Shame-- Shame.

    George;;

  • Ondelay
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    Honestly, this can't be true. I can't imagine members, who by the way own the course, would go for this. Why would anyone living in the area want to drive to mt. pearl to play golf? Furthermore, the cost will certainly rise as well. It's bad enough now.

    As for someone calling Admirals Green a championship course, obviously a joke. Windmills Green is a better name for it. The shape that the course is in is poverty. They as well had to redo the layout of the course due to residential homes in the area of airport heights. Bally Haly does have its own irrigation systems, and because of that, the course is in fantastic shape.

    As for all the comments about the Pearl and St. John's. You are all close with your remarks, but I think the residents are more along the lines of people from the outskirts and around the bay that couldn't afford to buy a house or pay property taxes in town. They will never amalgamate, too stubborn. They are out of land, what you see is what you get, other than a few homes being put up in Kenny Rogers old neighborhood at Cucumberville by the old tin can.

    Same thing would happen if they ever decided to turn Bowring Park in to a subdivision.

    To Adam and your members vote properly and keep it where it is.

  • Sam
    July 01, 2010 - 20:17

    Good point snook.

  • s
    July 01, 2010 - 20:16

    it would be downright criminal to give up this beautiful green space. we in the east end are fed up with the amount of development in this section of the city. with the number of seniors residences being erected and the numerous sub divisions coming up around here we expect the next thing they will try to do is drain all of the ponds in the area and build on the drained sites. leave bally halys grounds alone.

  • sandy
    July 01, 2010 - 20:15

    As a former member of Bally Haly, this course has to make a decision to expand and improve or move as it was talked about 25 years ago. As it can't expand, in fact it may be reduced again for safety reasons,( to close to houses and fairways almost override each other). All older courses like Bally have had to expand to meet modern layout designs for championship courses. As a side note, doesn't Bally's irrigation system use the City's water supply ? There are no ponds of waters in that area. It is not a championship course, as is Clovelly and Admirals's Green. Bally has many very good golfers who deserve a championship course and so they can compete in national tournaments without always finishing at the bottom. In fact Bally has lost many of its members to championship courses like Clovelly and Admirals Green. I do not know of any who has gone to Glendenning, because it is not a championship course. It is more for beginners and woman and seniors and the conditions are not great. In fact, it was closed for business several years ago for a full year due to no grass on fairways. It has very little water and fairways were hydroseeded with very, very little topsoil if any. I played there several weeks ago and found the fairways to be almost hard as pavement. In my view, you will get very, very few BH members who would want to play at Glendenning; most would go to Clovelly and Admirals Green.

    I like very many would be concerned about the loss of green space in the east end; developers couldn't care less. I would suggest that the City re-zone only a portion of this land for development and leave enough of the golf course for 9 holes municipal course. Every city in Canada has a municipal golf course, not St John's !

    A question I have is; If Glendenning made this offer to Bally, as reported by the news media, and Danny Williams is the majority owner of this golf course, who made the decision for this offer given all his assets are in a blind trust. Who would make this decision?

  • C
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    Can someone clarify what is the proposal... I ain't that good at reading/understanding... but is the offer for Glendenning and BH to switch clubs? or will BH be re-built at another location close to Glendenning so there will be two courses in southlands???

    I heard about 2-3 years ago that the plan for GLendenning was to build another 9 holes at that facilty - 27 in total. I guess they are having trouble with that plan with all the residential development planned for Southlands.

    wasn't there plans for a golf course up off Kenmount road area too as mentioned a few years back?? fat chance getting any green spaces (not just golf courses) approved by st. john's. seems as if all available space is going to be used for 50x100 residential housing lots...

  • Identity Crisis
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    I haven't lived in Mount Pearl for 25 years, but back then it was a very clear separate township from St. John's. St. John's has been check-mated/blocked by Mount Pearl in terms of growth potential. St. John's will need to come to an agreement with Mount Pearl if it doesn't want Mount Pearl to outgrow and outsize it into the future. Mount Pearl and it's industrial parks have trumped that of St. John's and carry heavier economic clout present and future than St. John's. Amalagmation is not a completely bad idea, but look who holds all the cards. My guess is St. John's will need to sweeten the pot before Mount Pearl residents allow it. They'll not be forced, that's a ridiculous statement. There'd be a huge public backlash in my humble opinion.

    If I remember correctly, even the weather is different in Mount Pearl than St. John's. It's like a different world. Mount Pearl is always warmer and not nearly clouded over as much. Clouded, much like some St. Johnsians' thinking.

  • John
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    The attitude of the members of Bally Hally is typical of the attitude of most people in St. John's, especially East of Bonaventure Ave, that Mt. Pearl does not measure up to their standards and thus they will have nothing to do with anything in Mt. Pearl. Only in St. John's, pity.

  • Billy
    July 01, 2010 - 20:14

    Definition of GOLF:

    A game invented by the Scots, for days when the weather is too bad to stay in the house!

  • cornergirl
    July 01, 2010 - 20:11

    You may not have to build a clubhouse but Bally Haly is also a Curling club in case anyone cares- any room for that in Glendenning? That also means one less public course in the City so you can expect golf fees to go up.

  • George from Northern Pen
    July 01, 2010 - 20:09

    Man isn't it amazing how a discussion on moving a golf course can bring out the knuckle heads and the dialogue can regress into a war of words between parts of the city and Mount Pearl.

    Being from rural Newfoundland I think you all have a major issue with identity. I'm from the East End! I'm from South Lands!

    Better if you people from Sin Jawns spent your time trying to get the city to fix up your terrible roads. Better if councils and the citizens of the entire area dealt with the annual water shortage.

  • Joey P
    July 01, 2010 - 20:09

    If accepted (which I don't think it will be), I like to see this rezoning an election issue. The course has been there so long, that I think its a decision for the people of the city, not just the 'membership'. Maybe this might be Memorial Stadium all over again.

  • mcgrath
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    It would be sad to see another great area of the city torn apart by economics rather than been satisified with the beauty the place offers all who go there.

    This is not an east/west matter but affects all the city when it gives up some of it little remaining beauty spots to build oversized houses to fill the greedy need of overpaid businessmen and millioaire politicians and other professionals.

    Shame on even suggesting such an option.

  • Coda
    July 01, 2010 - 20:08

    I'm having such a laugh at some of the comments that have been written.
    I can see an internal feud building between the west and east city dwellers.

    Although I do agree that it Baly Halley has to downsize, but it shouldn't have happened in the first place. I wonder why the city is allowing this to happen to an area that has been around a lot longer than the people in the City Office.
    But then again, looking at it from another perspective, out of the population of the local area, how many of them are patronizing the area as compared to Bowering Park? That is probably the biggest factor in the City's determination of the rezoning issue of the land.

    And yes, I'm one of those that says Southlands as a part of Mount Pearl , but knowing on paper it is part of St. John's.

    But for those comments about the smell, do any of you live / work by the brewery? The smell from the farm usually occurs twice or three times the summer. The smell from the brewery is once or twice every week all year. That is bad too!

    Donny, from all of your comments over time, on the various subject that The Telegram has printed, it's obvious that you are one retired grumpy ole man, that don't have anyone home left with you to grumble with. I do enjoy your instigating, out to lunch, comments though. LOL!

  • MG
    July 01, 2010 - 20:07

    Let me get this straight. 900 housing units have the go ahead on 65 acres in Pleasantville. There's 100+ acres at Bally Haly. Potentially we could see 1000 units on the former golf course. So, in the next few years there could be 2000 new units in this area. Yet, we currently have a water system infrastructure that cannot properly provide for existing residents. Oh boy...I can't wait to discuss this with council candidates when they come knocking on my door!

  • George
    July 01, 2010 - 20:07

    I caddied there as a kid;I spent a lot of my summers having fun at Bally Haly.It still brings back a lot of memories;;;It would be a total shame .We played there in caddy tournaments ;;that was just awesome for us kids back then. Shame-- Shame.

    George;;

  • Timmy
    July 01, 2010 - 20:05

    How do you get to Mt Pearl anyway?
    Drive out Topsail rd until you run out of class!!!

  • Telling it like it is
    July 01, 2010 - 20:05

    To Donny Dooley,

    Can someone buy Donny Dooly a map (and a brain)....

    Southlands is part of St. John's.

    Oh, and that stink you mentioned.....which must refer to the stench eminating from Brookfield Road....that comes from St. John's as well.

    I believe the response you are looking for Donny is....D'Oh!

  • Snook
    July 01, 2010 - 20:02

    Identity Crisis from St. John's/Deer Lake, NL/Quebec writes: Southlands may technically be St. John's but it is practically, and for all intents and purposes, Mount Pearl. It is St. John's by words only.

    Same is being said about Mt. Pearl. It is a city and separate identity from St. John's by words only ... Still can't understand why Mt. Pearl hasn't erected a large statue in the 'town' square of Neil Windsor because if it wasnt for him, you would have been 'Officially' part St. Johns many years ago. All you little bedroom Pearlites should be kissing his feet at least until time runs out for you and the provincial government forces amalgamation. It's not if this will happen, but when. If your gossip radio show host mayor Randy Simms had any love for your community, he would approach St. Johns and negotiate terms to amalgamate while he has a bargaining chip rather then wait until you are forced.

  • john
    July 01, 2010 - 20:01

    The notion of relocating or moving Bally Hally Golf Course is very foolish and impossible, you cannot move Bally Hally, you can build another Golf course somewhere else and call it Bally Hally, but you would still be destroying the original Bally Hally course and the wonderful green space it contains.

  • Sluggo
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    Soap Box time :)

    Bally Haly; old course, produces good golfers - go figure! Yardage does not make a golf course good.

    GD..new course...but any g course is a good one.

    I agree with Coda...all good fun.

    On the surface it looks too good to be true, shinny new course...look deeper, the members are what make the place fun to play, not the course. But I could be wrong? lol

  • Green space forever
    July 01, 2010 - 19:59

    All this talking of green space ... in the city of St. John's? That'a joke.

    Seems the developers move in and stack houses & buildings so tight you can't run your lawn mower between houses. Front doors are couple feet from the sidewalk. It's rediculous. Just go around all the new housing areas and try to spot the green spaces !! Speaks to the greed of the developers and the poor planning at City Hall. City and developers don't believe in green space. They think green space is the little bit of lawn that runs between the front of homes and sidewalk.

    Even in the bigger cities in Canada around every housing area, malls you will find green space.

    Our city should regularions should state that for every so many houses there must be so much green space left with buffers around the housing areas instead of them build right on the streets.

    Developers don't care - all they want is to see just how many houes they can fit in and how much money they can make.

  • Tom
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    More crucial inner city green space about to be vaporized. This city council will flog this away for the dollars without a doubt if you ask me. Again and again throwing away vital green space. Bring in the Toronto concrete jungle - right DOK?

  • Jill
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    Sure lets just cut more greenspace. We development Mount Cashell, the Ring Road.

    I can see the course from my lawn. Let's just hope they make this decision fast so I know if I need to start looking at real-estate. I'll be moving.

    Bally Hally, do the right thing.

  • don
    July 01, 2010 - 19:57

    What is this? Developers promoting a development plan! Find out if there is a politician is involved in this and you'll find out what the outcome will be. Better keep a close watch on this one folks.

  • k
    July 01, 2010 - 19:56

    Timmy from Town, soooo funny! you must live in the east end! Tink's yer' grand, hey?

  • Snapper
    July 01, 2010 - 19:56

    I hit my first golf ball at Bally Haly and have some very fond memories from this club, I trust the current members and board will do the right thing and say no thanks to this offer..lets keep this strong tradition going for another 101 years. Just can't see the townee establishment going past the overpass to golf!

  • Jon
    July 01, 2010 - 19:56

    Timmy from Town: I always thought it was drive out Topsail Rd. until you hit good pavement.

  • Annadan
    July 01, 2010 - 19:54

    It's time to sit down & look at some long-range planning for all this new development. Besides the water issue, schools, medical clinics, shopping, traffic flow etc all need to be included when a developer puts together a proposal for these mega-projects

  • Donny
    July 01, 2010 - 19:53

    Get to Mt. Pearl? Keep going out Topsail Road until you hear the cd recording of the church bells on Park Ave. How phony can you get! I mean really! How much would a bell cost and a belfry? Where are the bats hiding? In the cd player?

  • Billy
    July 01, 2010 - 19:53

    Bally Haly is a big issue for me because I have lived across the street 30yrs. I am very disappointed that Maureen Williams and associates would try to ruin our neighbourhood in this way.If they want to build condos they should do it across from Pringle Place and buy riverdale club in their own neighbourhood. What a double play, trade with Bally Haly, how rude and disrespectful of this Iconic Club that has been here for over a century.Some people are so greedy.I can't imagine the members going for this.

  • Truth
    July 01, 2010 - 19:51

    Identity Crisis, you need to get real about Da Pearl. Mount Pearl would be nothing without St. John's' support. Did you ever get your own hospital after? That elevator? Mount Pearl and those who live there and work here in St. John's, in particular, leech off this city and its taxpayers.

    Amalgamation is the best for both cities (Mount Pearl is like a big suburb of the grand capital anyway) and is inevitable. How's your 12 year-old Mayor? Oh right, he works in St. John's now as one Danny's little lemmings.

    Mount Pearl was always lame, always trying to create its own identity in the colossal shadow of North America's oldest city.

    As for Glendenning, I know little about it. Is it the former The Woods course, or is that separate?! It's Danny Williams owned, eh? Of course. He owns and runs everything on the Avalon!! And beyond.

    Bally Haly, stay put, or would that be stay putt?

  • Gary
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    Whats up with this? Does Danny Williams want to move it somewhere? Perhaps to a gravel pit. Less competition for his golf empire that way.

  • Heather
    July 01, 2010 - 19:48

    Bally Haly is part of the heritage of St. John's. Leave it alone. And SW's comments hit the mark

  • Wayne
    July 01, 2010 - 19:46

    Keep the green in the east;grand old course, too much history to give up!!

  • Harry
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    Wonder if one of Danny Williams buddies is behind all this? We all know Danny keeps them happy at our expense.

  • Donny
    July 01, 2010 - 19:44

    Ha........the members are not foolish enough to swap. Who wants to play golf in Mt. Pearl with the stink of cows and farms drifting past your nose while you're trying to tee off..........nobody!

  • charlie
    July 01, 2010 - 19:43

    this story has nothing to do with mt. pearl. glenndenning is in southlands, southlands is part of st. john's. glenndenning and southlands pay taxes to st. john's. case closed. some people will take any opportunity to take shots at the residents/city of mt. pearl regardless of the story. kind of pathetic when you think of it when residents of st. john's do not even know their own boundary lines.