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  • Listen UP
    April 02, 2012 - 15:38

    STOP blaming HNL for this mess. All team exec were present at a meeting with HNL to make this decision. Thye knew with paid players that they would not be able to afford them unless they had this 'win fall' at the end of the season. It backfired!! How many teams will remain? Ask the tough questions of the people thta represent these teams at HNL meetings.. They have some explaining to do.

    • INTHEKNOW
      April 24, 2012 - 17:39

      Listen Up. Your comment about team executives present at an HNL meeting where this decision was made is a complete fabrication. No such meeting ever took place. The teams never agreed to hold Herder Games at the bigger venues because they thought there would be more revenue. The deicsion was made unilaterally by HNL over and above objections from the teams. The ONLy thing you are right about is that it backfired....just like some teams said it would.

  • RAY
    April 01, 2012 - 09:51

    Although I love the Caribous, I am a season ticket holder robbed of the opportunity to cheer and support my team. I refuse to spend hundreds of dollars to take a trip to watch a game. For almost as much money, I could fly to an NHL game! Showcase Senior Hockey in the province? What a joke! Corner Brook sees Senior hockey all year, and St. John's is wrapped up in the IceCaps (rightfully so, since they haven't had a senior team for decades). HNL, if your goal is to "showcase", maybe the games should be in Goose Bay and Marystown, or Port aux Basques, who had great senior hockey many years ago. Bottom line - this is a kick in the guts to the two towns who have built great franchises and the fans/sponsors who support them 100%. I agree with the suggestion that those responsible for this bonehead decision resign. In Clarenville there would be 2000+ in our beautiful new facility. And like at Joe Byrne, the place would be rocking. I'm happy to see the rainbow of empty colored seats in Corner Brook. Hope HNL sees them too. But, of course they do... they are all there, not on their dollar I bet.

  • gord
    March 31, 2012 - 20:30

    It would appear HNL have cause a serious disruption to the normal anticipated operations of the league after the season started which may have resulted in undue hardship to town business, supporters, volunteers, players-executive etc. and could affect future support. I would think Ches Crosbie could be interested in the facts.

  • Gary
    March 31, 2012 - 12:53

    Not to belabour the point PJ but my comment was directed directly to St. Johns. I'm well aware of the geography of the east coast. With that being said, tha Joe Byrne Memorial Stadium went through an extensive renovation in 2005 and is a great place to watch a game. We can fit ove 1400 fans there, and although that doesn't sound like much, it is a lot better than 1000 in a 3000 seat Pepsi Centre. I don't think you can appreciate the empty feeling we here in GFW have with following the team all year and then having the hockey tap turned off abruptly. Go Cats Go

  • Edmund
    March 31, 2012 - 12:48

    Please listen all you experts out there. I have gone on long enough listening and reading about this mess and now will pass comment. After playing hockey all my life at the most competative levels all the way through the provincial hockey system, including the NAHA for 7 years, when all teams played all games, regular season and playoffs, in their own rinks and the leagues were, for the most part, 60's, 70' & part of 80's, very successful, I think it was completely unnecessary for HNL to do what they did to the players & the fans of both GFW and C'ville. In my opinion this was simply a selfish political move by Jack Lee to make himself feel more important than the league, the players, the fans and the game itself, (similar to Bettman of the NHL) which is pitiful to say the least. Well Jack, you should be ashamed of yourself. You have taken the most exciting part of the hockey season away from the players and the fans of both these communities and have created a very poor outlook for next season when these teams have to go back to their long time supporters and ask for sponsorships and season ticket sales. I will bet my bottom dollar that when Jack Lee was involved in the Mount Pearl Hockey scene as management or coach and someone came along and told him his team woulkd have to play their home playoff games in any other community in this province, even as close as CBS, he would have gone ballistic without question. Now Jack, that you have had your moment of glory and will have your name etched in the hockey history of our province as the one who ruined the 2011 - 12 senior hockey season, do the honorable thing and resign. You are obviously not up to the skill level required for this job and your ability to think of what is best for those residents living outside the overpass seems to be obstructed for some reason. How did you expect fans, no matter where they have to travel to and from, to afford $350.00 per ticket ($250.00 hotel room, $100.00 meals, $250.00 gas, $50.00 game tickets and $50.00 incidentals - total $700.00 for 1 weekend 2 game series) ? Guess what everyone is not independently wealty in this province and in most situations the local hockey in the communities around our province is one of few sources of entertainment that these folk have during the winter months and you took it away from them, shame on you. Let someone with real hockey experience and executive decision making sense replace you and get our local senior hockey back to where it belongs - in the communities and rinks all over our province. Our province wide fan base for this league deserve better.

  • Political watcher
    March 31, 2012 - 12:00

    If there were in fact less than 100 fans there then HNL lost money. The rent on the Pepsi Centre and Mile One will require at least a half sell out. So now we have the attendance in St. John's subsidising rent in Corner Brook. Great Job Jack, looks like lots of money being generated for the league, NOT. Stupid decision and this only proves it. Can someone provide me with an answer to this: who is footing the bill for all the HNL board and executive members who are attending the games? Hotel, travel, meals etc?

  • lossie
    March 31, 2012 - 12:00

    GO CARIBOUS GO.

    • mikey
      March 31, 2012 - 13:32

      Hey PJ, the HNL stated one of the reasons they went with the idea was because they wanted to showcase Senior Hockey across the island, If, in your opinion, Senior Hockey is alive and well on the East and West coast and since Corner Brook and, as you say, Clarenville(?) Mount Pearl and the Cee-Bees, are representing your East Coast interest, well then, was it not being showcased all season long. Let's stop pandering and call it for what it is, a money maker for HNL, it. All well and fine to say the revenue sharing will help teams like Monut Pearl keep afloat, if populations the size of GF-W and Clarenville can make it work, and the City of Mount Pearl cannot garner enough community support to pay their way then what's the message? The Cats and the Bous are the heart of their respective communites during the winter as evidenced by the tremendous fan attendance for their home games, and to take this away from the fans of these two teams is sickening.

  • dickie
    March 31, 2012 - 11:29

    hey PJ how many game sdid you see throughout the year Did you travel to Grand falls and Clarenvile? Bottom line is HNL shagged this up and they got to live with it. love to be at HNL meetings in June to hear discussion on this

  • PJ
    March 31, 2012 - 11:07

    We have tems in Mount Pearl Coneption Bay and Clarenville there buds do me a favor and buy a map and a clue if that int east coast NL what is? We have a AHL team in St.Johns we dont need a Senior Team. Cataracts are a great team no doubt but the drama that comes with their fans aint worth it. Grab your own league make your own rules and ttyl no body wants to hear fans go on and on and on about how they were wronged. Your arena is not up to par plain and simple time to get a modern rink or enjoy the games at the pepsi center. Considering St.Johns has a AHL team the attendance was good for Senior Hockey. I think they should play all games at Mile One , good crowds nice modern arena to watch hockey in and its good for the league.

  • Gary
    March 31, 2012 - 10:17

    Cosider this scenario: the St johns Caps are in the finals of the Herder finals. HNL tells the Caps that they have to play all their games in Deer Lake because HNL is trying to promote the game around the province. I'll bet my bottom dollar there'd be such an outcry' it would be deafening.

  • Gary
    March 31, 2012 - 10:10

    Hockey alive on the east and west coasts! You have a senior team on the west coast that can't draw fans, and..........................NO senior team in St. Johns. Great observation there. The Cataracts and Caribous organizations are the envy of senior hockey and unfortunately, HNL decided to pirate the most important games in each of these communities to undeserving venues. No way to really justify this as much as you want to keep blaming the Cats.

    • Mikey
      March 31, 2012 - 11:06

      The HNL Board of Directors must have put in a tremendous of thought to create this mess. Forcing the two teams to play their home games hours away from their home rinks is the biggest farce in the history of Senior Hockey. Well done Jack, well done!!

  • JAMES
    March 31, 2012 - 09:16

    i agree with gary, HOCKEY NEWFOUNDLAND/LABRADOR BOARD should resign. they made a mockery out of the fans from grandfalls-windsor and clarenville. these games should be played in the home buildings of the finalist. it was all about money in the first place and not about what was best for the fan, i called on all fans to boycott this hockey, send hockey newfoundland/labrador a message that you won't be bullyed by their DICTATORSHIP !

  • joe
    March 31, 2012 - 09:01

    Why would Corner Brook residents be interested in games between Clarenville and GrandFalls ? St Johns residents who want to see a game of hockey have the Ice Caps. Travel to St. Johns isn't easy for GrandFalls fans; likewise travel to Corner Brook isn't easy for Clarenville fans. Result= small attendance. Thats unfortunate for the players. Controversial decisions are no strangers in hockey at many levels. You reap what you sow.

  • Gary
    March 30, 2012 - 21:43

    Terrible, less than 1,000 fans there. Atmosphere like a morgue. Don't expect many more fans for tomorrow or Sunday. Like I said HNL can talk all they want about ticket sales increasing but this is and will be a complete failure on every level and the board of HNL should all resign and let's get some real hockey people there. Shameful.

    • PJ
      March 31, 2012 - 09:28

      Well it looks like another Grand Falls fan to wine about the series being moved to Corner Brook, Personally I think Grand Falls shoud start there own Central League on there own and leave the Provincial Set up. If you go on NL hockey talk there are thousand of posts from fans wining from Grand Falls, time to move on bys . Take your team and get, no one cares out here. I attended both games at Mile One great hockey good crowds , no matter the outcome in Corner Brook the Cats fans are gonna moan and cry over not playing in the tin can of a rink in Grand Falls. Great to see Provincial hockey alive on east and west coast . Good luck to both teams the weekend and lets stop complaining about the series being in Corner Brook , get over it its done .