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| Last updated at 8:39 AM on 29/05/09 |
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Health Minister Ross Wiseman |
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No room at the ICU 
Lack of beds cancels cardiac surgeries
BARB SWEET The Telegram
Jeannie Baldwin is worried about her father, whose heart surgery Thursday was cancelled at the Health Sciences Centre.
"To tell you the truth, we're disappointed. This is major surgery. He's had a heart attack. He's been 29 days in hospital. He's got major blockages," she said by phone Thursday.
She said the stress of waiting is hard on the family, particularly her dad.
"He's going to have a heart attack. The next thing you know he will be in his grave. This is totally unacceptable. There's no price on a life," Baldwin said.
The man from Clarenville was prepped for surgery Wednesday, but it was cancelled due to a lack of intensive care unit (ICU) beds. He was told he might get it today, but there were no guarantees, Baldwin said.
"And he's not the only one," she said.
NDP Leader Lorraine Michael told the House of Assembly during question period that 13 of 14 cardiac surgeries have been cancelled this week due to lack of ICU beds.
Michael told media afterward the NDP looked into the matter after Baldwin called attention to her father's cancelled surgery.
Health Minister Ross Wiseman told the media the surgeries were cancelled due to a high number of patients who still require ICU beds.
"We've had an inordinate number of critically ill people coming in," Wiseman said. "Adding more staff don't change it. Having extra beds in the building don't change it, because these are critical-care beds that have the appropriate technology."
He said urgent and life-saving surgeries have been taken care of.
"Those that have the ability to be postponed because they are not as critical at that moment, they are being postponed until the bed becomes available," Wiseman said.
During question period, Michael also asked Wiseman to announce his contingency plan for the summer vacation season.
Michael said she understands that all hospitals cut down on elective surgeries during the summer season.
"What we have been seeing in this province the last few summers is way beyond cutting down on elective surgeries," Michael said. "When I asked the minister if he could get some concrete examples, I was hoping he would say something like, 'Now that we have a much better (nursing) contract, now we're going to be doing a nationwide push to get fill-ins to come in during the summer. We now have a better offer we have to make them.' "
But she said Wiseman didn't offer a plan.
"Nothing is going to change unless they are aggressive in using that incentive to get people to come here, either permanently or temporarily," Michael said.
Wiseman told the media that every summer hospitals grapple with vacations and have had to adjust the level of services they offer during the summer to accommodate staff holidays.
He also said many people don't want to have elective surgeries during the summer.
"There's always been an adjustment in the level of services during the months of June, July and August and sometimes into September," Wiseman said.
"It happens the same thing at Christmastime ... there's only so many staff we have in the system now or whether it was 10 years ago. History has shown this is a normal summer activity adjustment."
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Ches from Clarenville, NL writes: Well well and I bet you think there is no crisis in Health Care dont you Ross. You sir and your so called department is nothing more than a sick joke. You always have the answers but NEVER NEVER a solution. Question Ross...Does it cause you any discomfort with Danny making your lips move saying whatever he wants you to say like the puppit you really are?
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| Posted 29/05/2009 at 9:21 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Christine from NL writes: Question Ross...Does it cause you any discomfort with Danny making your lips move saying whatever he wants you to say like the puppit you really are?
Probably not Ches! He's cushioned from that by his fat wallet!
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| Posted 29/05/2009 at 10:18 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Fedup from st johns, nl writes: This is just something that crossed my mind. Take him to the United States you will get it done for around 60000 dollars. That is what it cost my wife's sister. I sympatize with you but I also think we have it too easy here in Canada. I wonder if we started paying for some of our heath problems out of our own pockets would it be any better instead of whining all of the time. I am not talking about our tax dollars I think most of us pay taxes
I wonder how many hard working people agree with me. I am not expecting to get too many nice comments about this especially from some of our complainers
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| Posted 29/05/2009 at 10:55 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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the butler did it from nl writes: I heard a rumor that Wiseman wanted to cross the floor to the other side because he was sick of having to listen to Danny but neither the Liberals or the NDP wanted him! Sad.
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Kim from Mount Pearl, NL writes: Well I had a mild heart attack last summer and had the surgery I required to fix my heart the same day.
I am very greatful that this was done so fast. Remember not everyone is number 1 even though ourselves and our families think so.
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| Posted 29/05/2009 at 11:04 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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james preston from cbs, nl writes: most canadians pay 6000 and 8000 of taxes toward health care as for americans who cares
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| Posted 29/05/2009 at 11:15 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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cathy murphy from st johns, nl writes: With the health system the way it is, isnt it time that we took better care of ourselves ....preventative caare. Look at ourselves..more than half the population is obese, mainly becaause of bad diet nad no exercise.Too many times, we go to our doctors and expect them to be miracle workers, we expect them to fix us. And when they dont,we blame them and the nurses, and whoever else happens to be there.
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| Posted 29/05/2009 at 11:33 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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C Oliver from NL writes: You really know you have a problem if the opposition parties dont even want you. Rumor or not theres no way Wiseman will give up his big money as Minister of No Crisis Health. He loves the power he loves the money. If he was there for us he would do the honourable thing and resign. Then again to use the word honourable and associate it with Wiseman and this government is a bigger joke than Wiseman is himself.
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| Posted 29/05/2009 at 12:12 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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K T from Houston, NF writes: I live in the US and have had to use the medical care. So far this year I have paid little 20,000, and last year when my baby was born I paid little 3000, Keep in mind I have great Health Care “United Health care PPO plan`` I wonder what would of happen if my income was 30,000 a year. don’t fool yourself and think health care in other places is wonderful. However I do feel for the people of NF, I think the Canadian Health Care system is working, the Newfoundland Health Care system is not working.
One of my greatest concerns about moving home is the Health care.
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glenn from florida writes: I was a nurse in the ICU at the HSC years ago, and have been in critical care/hospital seetings since 1988. I have taken care of patients there when we had to overflow into the recovery room because of an influx of critically ill patients. Let me point a few things out. (1)NL has a small population spread over a large geographic region. This makes it difficult to provide the same level of service and availability to everyone. (2)The health sciences center is the only tertiary care center in the province. (3)There are a limited # of healthcare providers to care for the populus because of monies and population. (4) ICU's everywhere and having issues with being full, because, thanks to progress, SICKER patients can are kept alive longer/saved. (5)There are natural spikes in morbidity rates. If this lady's father suffers from cardiac disease warranting bypass surgery then yes he should have it. However, if he is stable (ie. no ongoing chest pain and is clinically stable on medical therapy), and another emergency comes up, then yes he should be bumped for the emergent case. It's called TRIAGE!. Supposing this lady's brother were in a car accident and needed immmediate surgery to save his life, would it be a problem them for dad to be bumped?!? Other people health shouldn't be compromised because her dad is sick; possibly (as atherosclerosis occures over a lifetime and has familial tendencies) if her father had taken better care of himself, he may not be in the boat he is. Patients in ICU's are there because they need to be there.
In NL, the rest of Canada, and even here in the USA, there's a crunch with diminished availability/resources for healthcare. congrats to cathy murphy from st john's who brought up the concept of .....PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!. People are so quick to blame the govt, blame the doctors, blame the nurses, blame medicines. Everyone is to blame but the poor patient. their ill state of health happened because they were walking along, minding their own business and it fell on them. Wake the hell up! You change the oil in your car every three thousand miles, you rotate the tires, change the sparkplugs, etc. to keep the car from breaking down and causing you larger problems. It seems no one employs this common-sensical approach with themselves. Cutting back/eliminating fatty, salt and calorie-laden foods, alcohol, smoking, and getting off your duff and doing some physical exercise are things no one wants to do. Buying a pill off the internet or tv is about all the effort some can muster. They are the ones who whine and complain and call their provider stupid when they go to the doctor and are not given a pill for any ache /pain/concern, but are advised to do the above things to improve their health and quality of life.
Here's a thought...perhaps we can cut down on healthcare costs by taking care of ourselves, reducing the chances we will get sick (and being healthier and happier because we are well), thereby not sucking up all the healthcare resources so they can be there when we need them!!!!
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Catherine from Nfld writes: I think it is awful that treatments seem to never get done in this province until they have reached critical levels. Whether it's for heart disease, cancer, kidney care, or mental health... People can't schedule their diseases around vacation time or lack of specialists.
As for paying for our own health problems like they do in the States, like some of you have suggested, instead of complaining, many of us do take very good care of our bodies to try and avoid health problems but, sometimes genetics plays has the big hand too and check-ups and treatments still need to be done for ailments that we only have little or maybe no control over. (my friends' dad was an avid runner and ate only the healthiest foods and still died young, while out running... he was not obese or had any bad health practises...).
Someone shouldn't have to wait a month in the hospital like a ticking time bomb waiting to become critical so they can get their much needed heart surgery. I hope Jeannie Baldwin's dad gets his surgery very soon so he can go back home to his family.
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Frank Blackwood from Richmond Hill, Ontario writes: Let,s be realistic, the heralth care services of Newfoundland and Labrador is a mess, ( with the rest of the country). This all started with one department head making a mess and it will take more than one person to get it in order. Remember, years ago there was much hesitation to leave matters up to the machines. Well, humans are the best supervisors and detectors of problems. We have to get back to what maked sense in the past..It has to start from the top, and if people don't want to do the job, then replace them.
There are a lot of qualified people who would love to take on this challenge. The Minister of Health cannot be in every department to check on people who were not doing their jobs. There has always been a sense of trust between professionals who are dedicated.
A report out of Arkansas, USA, some years ago noted that most directors of hospital departments were out teeing off at their favourite gulf course or race track on sunny afternoons. They left messages with their secretary's such as, call be on my cell phone or pager.
There needs to be spot checks on every department in the health services to see who is doing what and when. There will be some ruffling of feathers which makes sense as many were just sitting around in the fishtank on their units watching the clock tick, while others struggled to give the best of professional care.
Frank Blackwood
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Edwina baldwin from St.John's, Nl writes: For all those who do not understand... its not just about my father who maintains two greenhouses.. works in the garden everyday....cuts his lawn ,drinks very little,eats no junk ,never smoked and is not overweight. (thats for ones that do not know him).Its about everyone that had their operation cancelled this week alone.. 14 + operations were cancelled. The stress of that alone is very difficult .The nurses and Doctors are great ,We are saying the need is much greater than what the HSC can offer . With the aging population of NL the problem will continue to get worst.We are asking the Govt to fix this huge problem.
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Anita from NL writes: Catherine from Nfld writes many of us do take very good care of our bodies to try and avoid health problems.
Where's your proof ? Don't make things up to make a point. I've lived all over the world and I believe the highest number of unhealthy and obese people with the fattiest and saltiest diets I have ever seen is here in good ol' Newfieland.
glenn from florida and cathy murphy from st johns, nl are right.
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DB from NL writes: Anita, Glenn and Cathy hit the nail on the head.Stats show that Newfoundland has the highest of obesity then any other province.Maybe there need to be more awareness brought to light on this subject to encourage people to get out and be more active.Hopefully that would help in eliminating some of the unhealthy people.Not saying all but some maybe then it will free up some space in our over crowded system.
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