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| Last updated at 8:40 AM on 20/06/09 |
Butting in 
The Telegram
Not long after the provincial government banned smoking in bars, a Telegram editor was talking to a St. John's bartender about just how bad it must have been to work in a constant cloud of cigarette smoke.
The bartender said he and other staff had constant headaches and coughs and didn't realize how bad the air was until they decided to redecorate and move the bar's pictures around one day.
"... We took the first picture down and realized the wallpaper used to be white."
Where it hadn't been covered, the wall was brown.
Thursday, the U.S. Senate passed legislation that one day may have others looking back and thinking about just how bad things used to be.
The legislation - if it receives final approval - does something that was unthinkable only a decade ago: it enables the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to oversee and legislate everything from nicotine levels in tobacco companies' products to their ability to use additives and flavourings that can make cigarettes more palatable to smokers.
In recent years, the tobacco industry's unique position in the States has been obvious: despite containing known carcinogens, nicotine products were subject to fewer regulations than cosmetics or pet food.
The new legislation brings in some standards Canadians are already familiar with, like large, graphic health warnings, by 2012. The words "light" and "low tar" will disappear from U.S. cigarette packages by next year. Rules for flavoured tobacco are coming here, too.
Observers say the legislation could also allow the FDA to limit the 60 known carcinogens present in cigarette smoke.
Clifford Douglas, the director of the Tobacco Research Network at the University of Michigan, was blunt: "This is a historic step, changing the nature of tobacco in society forever."
Legislators feel the changes, which also include broad advertising restrictions and strict rules for new products that contain nicotine, could reduce adult smoking by two per cent, and youth smoking by 11 per cent.
Law as broad as this often has an interesting echo in other jurisdictions; once one area moves successfully forward, others follow.
And if you think we're already doing enough to curb things like teen smoking, take a look at the clot of students at high schools like Prince of Wales Collegiate in St. John's - 50 or more gathered along a chain-link fence just inches off school property for that all-important smoke before classes start in the morning.
That's not to say this province hasn't made any strides when it comes to getting people to butt out. The provincial government's efforts to remove display advertising "power walls" was a good start, even though we were the last province in the country to take that step.
But there are aspects of the American changes that are well worth watching.
It will be interesting to see what the FDA can do, and whether the new oversights will put another nail in the coffin of the "coffin-nail" industry.
Sometimes, keeping up with the Joneses is not such a bad idea.
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Nasty Nate from St Johns, NL writes: All well and good. For how many years have governments pushed the sale and use of this product to generate revenue? If the want everyone to stop, then they better be willing to use the money they took in the form of taxes to get people off of a government sponsored drug.
Pretty simple really, government benefited from the sale of a harmful product for years, now once a few people cry about it things change and we see the price and taxes for other items increase to compensate for the loss of tax revenue they once thought would be a sure thing.
Maybe they should be looking at alcohol next. How much revenue has this drug provided to the government coffers? How many people have been made ill, killed and lives destroyed due to its governmental approval? What has been the Health Care costs associated with the sale, consumption and taxation of alcohol in Canada?
I really think it is time for a real comparison. I do not remember hearing of people being killed in car crashes due to impairment from cigarette smoke, do you? I do not recall hearing of impaired charges and high court costs to the tax payer for smoke in the eye causing death on our hi-ways, or hit and runs of children on our streets. I do not remember hearing of people needing to be sent to AA for smoking while driving, or contracting liver cancer. I can not remember hearing of family break ups or loss of employment due to smoking, can you? Sure lung cancer is an issue, but this is Newfoundland where Easter Health has no clue how to even conduct simple tests for cancer let a lone complex testing for more serious matters, so by the time they find out anything is wrong with you, you will already be in the ground and on your way to a better place.
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| Posted 13/06/2009 at 9:31 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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³ from NL writes: Alcohol is often used in moderation, like in cooking or a single drink on a Friday afternoon. Typical use of cigarettes does not work like this. Smokers don't say, I might have a couple of cigarettes this weekend. They usually smoke several packs a week, or day even.
But a ban on indoor public smoking has tangible effects. Like not turning a wall (or people) brown with tar where it once used to be white.
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| Posted 13/06/2009 at 9:58 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Randall Lahey from Sunnyvale, NS writes: Talk about prices going up....
Bread was around 1 dollar for a 725g loaf
then it went to $2 for a 570 g loaf
now it's 2.50 for a 500 g loaf.
can of milk was .89 for 385 ml
now its 1.89 for 370 ml
Keep an eye not only on the price but notice you're getting less and paying more. NL is paying the highest grocery prices in Canada.
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| Posted 13/06/2009 at 10:26 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Carol from NL writes: A few years ago my husband and I bought an older model Lincoln at a great price we just love older cars. We only had it a short time and we had problems with the headlight on/off switch it was the one you pull out or push in the old type, anyway we took it apart to see if we could get a newer one that would owrk better, when we did take it apart the inside was all a yellowish green gunk all gummed up that was causeing the switch to malfunction because the contacts were all covered in this stuff. TRhe previous owner was a smoker we knew that when we bought the car. Being the inquisitive person I am I took a small swab an collected a sample of the sticky slimey mess and low and behold the test results showed traces of nicotine. Thats what years of smoking did to the electrical system in the old Lincoln. Just imagine what it did to the smoker and the other people in that car over the years. How much actual proof do people need to get it into their heads that SMOKING KILLS. If your silly enough to kill yourself over time with this all well and good thats your business not mine. What is it though that gives you the right to mess up others peoples health and possibly contribute to their death? Next time you light up think about that.l
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| Posted 13/06/2009 at 10:39 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Bones from NL writes: Nate bye. With logic and reasoning like yours I would guess your a smoker. You blame everyone else for not knowing what to do if you get lung cancer. It aint rocket science Nate. Easiest solution is dont smoke. Thats so straight forward and simple even you can handle that cant ya. LOL
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| Posted 13/06/2009 at 10:43 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Donna from NL writes: Oh my Oh my the world as we know it will never be the same. Bones made a comment that makes perfect sense and not once did he find a way to praise Danny Williams. Im proud of you Bones. I always knew in my heart of hearts you couldnt be that narrow minded frustrated man I thought you were. I agree Bones its simple dont smoke. Case closed.
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| Posted 13/06/2009 at 12:03 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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P from Dartmouth, NS writes: Donna from NL you brought DW up. whats a heart of hearts and how many hearts do you have? maybe you can think with your head of heads for a change
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| Posted 13/06/2009 at 12:28 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Bones II from NL writes: Sorry to disappoint you Donna, but many claiming to be Bones are not, lol. I certainly consider it one of the purest forms of flattery, though. I also smoke, but only about a pack a day...........usually after sex, lol.
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| Posted 13/06/2009 at 12:36 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Eugene from Town, Newfoundland writes: Nasty Nate, couldn't have said it any better myself. I agree that governments addicted to revenues from 'vices' have been (in?) directly encouraging the poplulation to use substances that are dangerous for generations. What really sticks in my craw is that the government hasn't moved to legalize more innocuous substances (eg. Cannabis) but instead spends a king's ransom prosecuting citizens who have chosen a demonstrably more benign substance than the 'legal' alternatives. Lumping marijuana in with cocaine, heroin and speed displays a woeful ignorance of the facts. Encouraging alcohol consumption as an alternative to 'medicinal goo' should rightly be considered criminal. Stop the war on marijuana, reap the benefits of increased revenue while stemming the spending on policing and prosecuting otherwise peaceful citizens sounds like a win-win solution.
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Nasty Nate from St Johns, NL writes: Sure I smoke Bones, and if the time comes that the effects of it cause health problems I have paid enough in taxes to take care of it, or I can suck it up and let it do what it wants. I doubt that I will worry about it very much since they have very little luck in treating lung cancer anyway. Why waste time and money on treatments that fail anyway.
On the other hand, as recently as last night a 16 year old was given a 24 hour road side suspension for blowing over the limit. Is this a better use of tax payers money? Letting kids drink and drive, and only a 24 hour road side suspension? How about a charge for a change. Once for drinking under age, and another for being drunk in a public place, yes a car or truck can be considered a public place, then take his right to drive away for good. That one is starting out pretty young and will soon be the one we read of that hits the next kid on the side of the road playing street hockey.
Or is that ok as long as he was not smoking in public just drinking?
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JK from NL writes: Have you been in a St John's cab lately? I take cabs all the time and it seems there are taxi drivers oblivious to the law. It is sickening to get in to a St John's cab these days and some companies are worse than others. Are the drivers smoking? Or do they let the passengers flout the law because the taxis seem to reek of smoke??
What is the point to having all these laws about smoking if people are allowed to do as they want. Disgusting.
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Bones #3 from NL writes: Dont be all that flattered Bones your not a good as you think you are, but we lova ya anyway. LOL. Quits smokeing we want you to be ranting off here for many more years yet. Just ask Wiseman or Danny how laong a waite you might have if you need a lung transplant. Its easier and quicker to die. Neither one of them seems to have a problem with that happening. Stay healthy Bones.
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Bones are a dime a dozen from NL writes: Its not a major undertakeing to be Bones. Follow theree easy steps. 1.Just worship Danny. 2.Belittle anyone who disagrees with you. 3. The only good thing in the world is Danny Williams. See how easy that is. Bones are a dime a dozen and anyone can be one.
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Langhing at double standards... from ab writes: I agree that cig. smoke is not healthy, but I hate when non smokers get self righteous about it when they drive cars with no exhaust, have pit fires in their gardens(or indoor fireplaces), go to work at smoke stack factories, drive solo instead of car pooling, etc...etc...
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Nasty Nate from St Johns, NL writes: Hey JK, just because you dislike a left over smell are you trying to say that people do not have the right to do as they please with private property? These taxis for the most part are owned by the drivers. If they are not smoking when you are in the car, then what’s the problem?
I do not like to have to smell people with high levels of stink repellent, aka cologne or perfume on our streets or left in cabs either, but as long as they are not inside a building I do not have a right to tell them what they can and can not do or wear. I really do not like to have to smell the drunks and the stale stench they produce on our streets, or leave in out cabs and public places. If people do not want to smell my smoke, then I have the same rights to breathe clean air free of beer breath or chemically induced hormone altering substances. Bring on the new laws to keep those freaks from our streets and public places too.
This whole thing is getting a little much. Soon we will all be forced to eat the same food and wear the same clothes, walk the same walk and talk the same talk. I thought communism was on its way out, not making a comeback. I guess that since we like to copy China so much, we will deserve what happens when all our freedom is taken.
Will that make the conformist happy finally?
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I am the real Bones from NL writes: I smoke I drink I pay the price. The long hours I spend defending Danny causes me to smoke. The stress of defending him and his childlike behaviour day after day causes me to drink. Thank God Ross Wiseman has a handle on health care and theres plenty of staff and lots of hospital beds. THe big bad Liberals and some PC governments made all this mess. Not my Danny. Danny never lied and tried to have the Cameron Inquiry stopped. No way not my Danny. My Danny never hides anything from me he always tells me the truth, Ross often tells me the same truth, come to think of it its usually word for word the same truth Danny tells me. Isnt it wonderfull how that works, they all tell us exactly the same thing. I guess thats so we dont get confused with the real facts. My Danny says I dont need to know everything he can decide whats best for me. You know what thats just the way ole Bones likes it. Let someone else do the thinking for me then all thats left for me to do is defend what Danny tells me is true and that I really need to know. Life is good. Thank you Danny. Now if you will excuse me I need to run to the corner store I am out of smokes and I need another two four that should get me through today. I have noticed I am smoking and drinking more lately, but thats ok Danny will soon tell me why that is, and if it gets out of hand Ross will put me on a plane to Ontario or New York for the treatment I need. Life is good. Danny Rules. LOL
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Just Curious from NL writes: I wonder if Danny lets Bones smoke in the big motor home when they travel around the province singing the praises of the great one Danny Williams? Net question. I wonder what it is that Bones really smokes anyway? Must be some shocking good bye.
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Wallace Martin from NL writes: Take it easy on this Bones character for the love of God. Form what I have seen of him on here he craves the attention and your guys are givin it to him. If he smokes like he says he does then the problem will take care of itself anyway in a few years. Let him live out his Danny dream in peace. We all need to have dreams thats his.
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