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Ted Kennedy stands in front of a neighbour’s house on Forest Avenue in Mount Pearl Saturday where a woman had to be removed from the house when the river near the house overflowed it’s banks. — Photo by Keith Gosse/The Telegram |
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Development blamed for flooding 
Woman helped from home, horses evacuated from barn due to rising waters
JAMES MCLEOD The Telegram
A 90-year-old lady had to be lifted from her Mount Pearl home Saturday morning after heavy rains caused Forest Avenue properties to flood.
Standing in front of the still-flooded house Saturday afternoon, Forest Avenue resident Ted Kennedy guessed that at its peak, the Waterford River rose about two metres and overflowed its banks.
Kennedy said he'd been living in the area for 27 years, and while there's been flooding in the past, this is the worst he's ever seen.
He said earlier in the morning, his elderly neighbour had to be lifted from the house through a window by her son.
According to Environment Canada, 52 millimetres of rain fell between 8 p.m. Friday evening and 7 a.m. Saturday. Wind forecasts for Saturday were in the 100-120 kilometre per hour range.
After describing what happened, Kennedy was quick to lay blame on development in the area.
"There's nowhere for the water to run when the rivers are high, the roads are paved so the water is running over," he said.
"It just makes matters worse, and there's 500 houses going across the way there, so that's not going to help matters."
It was a similar story at the racetrack in Goulds, where horses had to be evacuated after a barn flooded.
As the wind whipped across the track, workers waded hip-deep leading horses and carrying equipment out of the barn.
Brett Whalen, general manager for St. John's Racing and Entertainment said that this was the third time they've been flooded in a week.
"It usually only happened in the spring when the snow was melting, but there's been a lot of development in this area," he said. "Now that that's been built up we're getting a lot more of the water down here."
There was also some flooding at the Corpus Christi Church near the Waterford River.
St. John's Mayor Dennis O'Keefe said he'd have to be briefed by city engineers, but he said city workers had braced for the storm as best they could.
"We always identify what I would call the critical areas of the city where flooding could take place," he said. "In anticipation of the storm, everything we could do, we did."
There were no updates from the city Sunday.
Commenting on the flooding on Forest Avenue, Mount Pearl Mayor Randy Simms said it was on a flood plain, and that was simply a liability.
He dismissed any attempt to blame this on developments that have happened in the city.
"Any development that's been done in Mount Pearl for the last several years all have water detention ponds attached to those developments," Simms said. "This is a natural flood occurrence as a result of the significant amount of water we've had"
jmcleod@thetelegram.com
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Buy what u can afford not what u want from St. Johns, NL writes: Lotsa over inflated homes, no reason that they could not have been built to float now is there? The way things are going here I can not wait to see the real estate market crash and the outcome. With so many other areas seeing the rapid decline in employment, we are selling homes at a higher price then those other locations saw during a real boom when our unemployment rate sits at 15++%. I guess people here are just too stupid to understand that they are being ripped off. Just how many on this island have jobs that pay over a hundred thousand a year to afford these half million dollar shoe boxes, or do they just think that Danny can pull another rabbit out of his axx?
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 9:00 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Donny Dooley from Dildo, NL writes: He was just surprised at the flooding this year as he was last year, and the year before that, and the year before that etc. I wouldn't stay in a house built on a flood plain but that's just me. The folks that stay must enjoy using that shop-vac!
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 9:25 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Joel from Nl writes: Well a good thing they lifted the water ban when they did, my thoughts are, you only get what you ask for.... I wonder if they prayed for water when the water was low.. be careful what you wish for you may gte more than you bargained for...
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 9:36 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Coda from NL writes: You are such an idiot Buy what u can afford not what u want from St. Johns, NL . What in the blazes does Danny have to do with the developments in the city? This is the problem of the municipal government, not the provincial.
You obviously must be a Danny hater and want to blame him for every “bad luck” that goes on in your home. He doesn't live in my house and doesn’t’ wanna live there, so therefore I make all my own decisions and it's not based on Danny's say so. 99% of family decisions are not based on Danny's say so, so leave him outta this. Geez by’.
I agree with you though, the houses are way overpriced, it even extends out to Tors Cove Bauline. It’s retarded. Although I would like to think that you are brilliant enough to remember the supply and demand factor. The Interest rates is the biggest instigator in this market today. And yes, it does fool people. So, off they go to the bank, lawyers office, thinking that they just lucked into the greatest deal. Poor them. In five/seven years, when they have to renew their mortgage, ouch on the interest rate. I truly don’t understand how the people can afford these shoeboxes as you call it. It’s more than what my house can afford and we both make excellent money. It's also the real estate agents who want to get the best commission that they can, so they do the best PR work that they can, which keeps the momentum going. The little rats.
But I do know one thing, what goes up, do come down! What is down, will go up!
Geez, you got me sidetracked but not for long. It's all common sense. This is definitely not an act of God problem. This is poor planning & development. The City is gonna get sued left, right and centre when people find out that the City ignored a problem within the planning & development stage. Anybody out there ready to wade in to get the dirt??
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 9:49 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Bob from CBS, NL writes: Remember when the unemployment rate was so bad the Waterford River only ran three days a week? Some good now b'y.
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 10:30 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Taxpayer from NL writes: While house prices have increased in and around St.John's, we are still below the national average. The average price in BC for a house is 413,000, after they suffered a 10% loss this year. We are struggling to crack the 200,000 mark. Ontario and Alberta also have much higher average prices. We are only now starting to have our homes attain some real value, when compared to the rest of the Country.
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 10:40 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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David from Mount Pearl, Newfoundland writes: In regards to Randy Simms saying that developement over the past several years has had nothing to do with the flooding,is correct.I have lived on the Waterford River or Castors Brook or in Caines Valley ,whatever you want to call it.The flooding did indeed start when developement started,one does not have to be an engineer to know this.Floods once were an occurance in the spring and never as bad as it is currently.West Hills replaced Larry Farrell's farm,what was once water absorbing forest became asphalt and concrete with all drains running to the bottom of the valley,likewise for the rest of the developements that followed.That is what has aided the flooding of this so called flood plain.I grew up in Mount Pearl when there was less than 5000 people here,skating on the river,swimming at the falls,picking blue berries but now we live in the forgotten section of town,walking trails overgrown,very little maintenence done, that is as opposed to the newer sections of town,paved walking trails that one could drive a car on.No Randy it is caused by the developement.
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 10:54 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Graham from NL writes: 'Mount Pearl Mayor Randy Simms said it was on a flood plane, and that was simply a liability.' If that's so, who issued the buld permit 27 years ago ? Could it be... the town council ? Twenty-seven years later they still haven't a clue as to what they are doing, and are still issuing permits for houses left, right and center without due diligence. Randy Simms should man-up and stop speaking from the side of his mouth.
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 11:47 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Cornergirl from st. John's, NL writes: There is a Public Meeting Tues @ STJH City Hall to consider changing the zoning across from Corpus Christi to accommodate 4 new houses. Just this weekend, the parking lot there was flooded but the developer doesn't see this as a problem in the proposal- they know this is in the floodplain- so whose responsibilty is it to see that homeowners aren't faced with future flooding?
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 11:52 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Wait... What? from St. Johns, NL writes: This all has really has little impact since people will still purchase and build these homes no matter what the risks. If more people did a little research prior to dropping life savings on them, then maybe things such as this would not be so common. But then again common sense seems to be a hard thing to attain these days.
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 12:09 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Eli from CBS, NL writes: The money paid to mayors and councillors is governed by the income generated from taxes. That basically is what the mayor of CBS said last year when he and his council voted themselves a raise. He said something to the effect our revenues are up so we're entitled. I'm positive I heard him correctly. So is it any wonder there's more developement with little regard to infracture? money talks around here not common sense.
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 1:05 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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bay boy from nl writes: Who cares about Mount Pearl anyway.When something goes wrong they just cry for Danny to use my money to bail them out..Most of the cocktail circuit crowd live there,so Danny won't refuse them bail-out money
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 1:08 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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B Peddle from St. John's, NL writes: I think St. John's city engineers should all be fired for incompetency. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if you install gigantic culverts in areas of new development then you also must address the bottleneck that will occur further downstream. St. John's city hall should grow a spine and admit that their engineering department screwed up. If city hall doesn't admit responsibility for the flooding that takes place everytime there is a rain storm, we can chaulk it up to their fear of how much it is going to cost to fix the mess the city's water drainage system is now in.
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 2:10 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Chris LeDrew from Paradise, NL writes: Flooding--did anyone drive down Kenmount Road near Kenmount Terrace--flooding everywhere even the power substation was almost submerged (there were a few guys taking pics of that from NF power). Common sense--clear cut trees, nowhere for the water to go except rolling across the land dumping soil and sediment in the rivers and ponds--go to Halifax from where I just moved and they have some pretty good laws on this sort of thing to prevent developers from allowing massive flooding
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 2:11 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Wrong Land from NL writes: The cornergirl has some of the information correct. But the 4 lots that are in question are not in the floodplain. Many people confuse the parking lot, which is in the Floodplain to be the property being discussed, which it is not. if you walk or drive past the parking lot you will find many homes, like the land being perposed, not affected by the flooding that occures in this area.
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 2:49 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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A Wiseman from St. Johns, NL writes: Chris LeDrew from Paradise better head on back to Halifax. He just about had a teenager trying to play city planner on him. Just think if the mess that would have been for you a few years down the road, or river in this regard. Be hating to pay taxes to live out there if that was to have taken place. Water mains bursting, rivers across roads, powerlines hung from trees. Dang Bucky, your lucky.
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 5:13 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Kelly Sandoval from st. John's, NL writes: As I read these comments, I cannot help but be reminded of the countless calls from concerned residents of Mt. Pearl and particularly Paradise that call my office looking for guidance in relation to the degradation of vital wetlands in the name of development. Ducks Unlimited Canada does not advocate but is a science based organization dedicated to the preservation of wetland habitat for the good of people and wildlife. Wetlands have a pivotal role in preventlng flooding by acting as a sponge would, slowly releasing water into the atmosphere. There are serious repercussions to losing wetlands and although I am not a scientist with DU, I would surmise that it cannot help the flooding problems.
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 7:13 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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cornergirl from st. john's, nl writes: To Wrong Land- if you read the proposal it states that the property is partly within the floodplain buffer and a known flood hazard area & the City had rejected a similar proposal in 2004 for the same reasons.
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| Posted 19/10/2009 at 8:38 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Nasty Nate from St Johns, NL writes: Looks like time to force people to relocate back to the outports now isn't it? No room in the city or surrounding area's for families to afford or be safe in. Time they force relocation out of towns. That would take care of this mess pretty quick. Too many people in too small an area. What did you think, you would be able to keep building one home on top of another forever? Better start to look at the rural areas once again as a viable location.
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| Posted 20/10/2009 at 8:20 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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