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Private ambulance services shut down 
Health Only emergency calls will be answered until deal emerges
CORNER BROOK AND ST. JOHN'S ASHLEY FITZPATRICK AND JAMES MCLEOD The Telegram
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| Corner Brook-based Reliable Ambulance Service owner Bob Patten (right) — who is also the president and chairman of the Provincial Ambulance Operators’ Executive Board — speaks about concerns over contract negotiation with the provincial government in St. John’s Friday afternoon. Later Friday, the association withdrew services except for emergencies. Also shown are (from left) Wayne Power, of Power’s Ambulance Service of Placentia, and Wade Smith of Smith’s Ambulance Service in Whitbourne. — Photo by Joe Gibbons/The Telegram |
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At 4 p.m. Friday, private ambulance services in communities across the province shut down, leaving only the minimum of emergency services still running.
The action involves privately owned services only and does not include hospital-based ambulance services.
The shutdown is to draw attention to the breakdown in negotiations between the service providers and the provincial government after almost two years of negotiations.
"We're talking about 100 ambulances. We're talking about 30-something ambulance services. We're talking about over 400 employees," said Bob Patten, president of the Private Ambulance Operators Executive Board (PAOEB).
Patten also runs Reliable Ambulance Service, based in Corner Brook.
Both Finance Minister Tom Marshall and Health Minister Jerome Kennedy said they were unhappy with the service disruption during the H1N1 flu pandemic.
"I'm extremely disappointed," Marshall said.
"To do it in the middle of a pandemic, in my view, is irresponsible."
Friday afternoon, about a dozen emergency responders were protesting at Western Memorial Regional Hospital in Corner Brook.
Kirk Yetman said he is disappointed the provincial government has not been able to negotiate a contract with operators like Reliable in the 19 months since their contract has been out.
"This started with government; this ends with government," Yetman said. "We don't want to be doing this and we don't want to inconvenience the public, but the government is not willing to move on everything, so this is a last resort."
Patten said there were several sticking points for private operators in the original contract offer.
Central is a "termination clause" that would allow the government to stop funding to a service, to shut it down, without any advanced notice and without any compensation.
As well, operators are looking for greater levels of funding (now paid through monthly core payments and mileage compensation), to help cover the rising costs of ambulance operation.
"We used to spend about $6,000, $7,000 , if you go back 20 years, you had your ambulance fully equipped. We're now at $50,000 and $60,000 per ambulance," said Patten.
"A main stretcher has gone from 900 bucks up to over $6,000 plus tax."
Patten said he replaced seven ambulances last year, with no money for vehicle replacement from the province.
Between core funding and mileage compensation, private operators receive $150,000 to $200,000 a year for the operation of each ambulance, he said, whereas hospital-based operations receive $750,000 a year per unit.
"The government knows we're doing the same service for one fifth of the money, otherwise we wouldn't be here," said Patten.
Marshall, however, painted the government's offer as more than generous.
"We've offered to the private operators a package that represents a 35 per cent increase in their base funding and this includes funding for significant wage increases for their employees, the paramedics, and it also includes additional funds for operating expenses," Marshall said.
Marshall said the biggest sticking point for the government has been that in place of a termination clause, the ambulance operators want a mandatory buyout.
"We reserve the right at some point in the future to, you know, tender these contracts or government may decide at some point in the future to offer this service as a public service," Marshall said.
As far as buying out operators if they decide to go in a different direction, "it's just not in the cards."
During the shutdown of services, ambulances will still answer emergency calls, Patten said, but every coverage area will be down to one running ambulance. As well, any "routine transfer" calls will not be answered.
That includes calls for patient movements between health-care facilities, with runs to and from the Health Sciences Centre in St. John's (from medical centres in Corner Brook or Grand Falls, for example), runs to and from the airport, and runs to and from seniors' homes.
"Eighty per cent of the work in the province is routine and only about 20 per cent falls into the emergency category," Patten said.
"So right now about 80 per cent of the calls are not going to be answered."
The private operators have said any gap in services caused by the strike will have to be covered by the hospital-based ambulances services.
afitzpatrick@thetelegram.com jmcleod@thetelegram.com
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Æ™®© from NL writes: From what I read here it sounds like the ambulance operators are a little too greedy.
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| Posted 07/11/2009 at 9:41 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Insider from Mount Pearl, NL writes: From what I see it is greed on the operators part. They will never be satisfied. My brother worked for one company on the Avalon and received next to nothing, a little over $300 per week for 5 days a week on call 24 hrs for each of the 5 days. Then when the operators received the raise for their workers, it was not given to them. Greed is always a bad thing when negotiations are in the works. They always blame the government, but what about the greedy owners. Enough is enough.
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Dan from NL writes: Hey boys...poor timing, don't you think? With the H1N1 crisis, you guys aren't doing yourselves any favours.
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albert smith from GF, NL writes: I have to agree with the people above. It is indeed greed that motivates these operators. All you have to do is go look in their driveways and see what they are driving. They try to make it sound like it is the Paramedics that are behind this, but i am sure if they had a contract and a Paramedic was to ask we need a better wage they would get fired. Or if they tried to get unionized they again would get fired. Maybe the threat of termination of their contracts if they are not meeting some sort of standard, that sounds like a good thing.
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Ex Pat Medic from NS writes: Let's be clear here, this job action is as a result of the insationable greed of the owners of private ambulance services. It is not the on the street paramedics. I find it repulsive that in the midst of a pandemic that the owners would hold the people of NF & Lab hostage to their demands. I also find it bitterly ironic that they are not just concerned with the paramedic's wadges but the other staff like dispatchers and other people who work with ambulance services. What they are saying here is they also wish to increase the saleries of family members who are on the books but do very little if anything. Shame on the private ambulance operators!!
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Jay from NL writes: 19 months without a contract and they pick THIS particular week to take job action. Why oh why would they pick this week.. what could possibly be happening that they might think would work to their advantage.......oh.
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don from Newfoundland and Labrador writes: Dictator Danny's Government has millions of mineral and oil royalty dollars and millions more taxpayer dollars and transfers from Ottawa that he spends on expropriating Abitibi, on questionable archaeological digs in Cupids and on Royal visits. When it comes to spending money to provide and maintain an essential emergency life saving ambulance service in Newfoundland and Labrador, Danny is stingy with his dollars. I support the ambulance operators and the para-medics. If the Government does not provide the required funding, all of the private operators should agree to close down their ambulance services and paras-medics should move out of the Province to areas like Ontario, Alberta, Nova Scotia or the USA where they can receive excellent wages and find good working conditions. I recall the efforts of a businessman from around the bay who tried to start the first para-medic cardiac monitor/defibrillator equipped ambulance service in the Province more than 25 years ago. I also recall that the Government vigorously opposed him and punished and humiliated him until he was forced to abandon his plans. Ironically, Para-medic ambulance service was later introduced by Government in the 1990's. How many people died in this Province because adequate para-medic ambulance service was denied to them for many years because of Government indifference and obstruction? It is time to let Dictator Danny take the responsibility for providing top of the line ambulance services to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador and quit pinching pennies. Are the lives and health of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians less important or valued than other Canadians lives? Apparently, the Government of Dictator Danny thinks so!
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Overworked from NL writes: All i got to say is Less than 29,000 dollars a year, BEFORE TAXES for over 4300 hours a year, with NO beneifts (and i mean NO MEDICAL, DENTAL, or SICK PAY) At a PRIMARY CARE PARAMEDIC Level In Rural Newfoundland. EMS is in a SAD state here in the province of Newfoundland and Labrador, unless, of course, you work for one of the Health Authorities.
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Surprised from NL writes: I don't know if they are greedy or not, but they sure don't give a hoot about the people of Newfoundland & Labrador to do this during a pandemic. This is a deliberate move and one that could cause the death of innocent people. They should be ashamed of themselves. No one should use human lives as a bargaining tool, go back to work.
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Steve from NL writes: I have heard of people doing ambulance transfers from St. John' to Corner Brook and return for about $160.00. Less than minimum wage. The meal allowance was $20.00. Not bad for a 16-20hr. day.
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Richard from NL writes: I worked for an ambulance company (one of the larger ones) here in Newfoundland a few years ago and the company negotiations with the government were an issue at that particular time. We were told by the company that they were looking for more money from the government so they could pay us more money. Well the government eventually came through with the money that was supposed to be used to increase our pay. But the company dragged it out for months and denied they were issued any extra monies. I investigated it myself and found that the company was awarded the extra funds. When they could no longer deney it they simply refused to pay it out to us workers saying they couldn't afford to do so. The department of labour said it wasnt their responsibility as we were being paid the minimum wage and it would be the responsibility of emergencey health services. Emergency health services said it wasnt their responsibility but it was the department of labor's responsibility. The private ambulance operators are still using their workers as pawns to get themselves a more lucrative contract. And now they are using the public as pawns as well. I suggest that the govenment reveal to the public just exactly how much money they are paying these private operators and just how very little of that trickles down to the workers. Then the public would have a better understanding of what is really going on. If some of these private operators werent former and current political bedfellows, contributors and party organizers maybe we the taxpayer might be getting a better bang for our healthcare buck by having the health department own and run the ambulance service in this province. Its never going to happen unless and until the information gets out there of what is really going on and that it's pure and simple greed by the private operators using their own workers as pawns in their desire to fatten their already fat wallets even more.
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Nadine Newhook from Paradise, Newfoundland writes: Dept. of Health of NL please open your eyes & put money into a progressive-agressive EMS service for your communities! Give the professionals who work the trenches the reward of benefits & raises & a regular work schedule that enhances their family life! EMERGENCY LIGHTS...MOVE RIGHT!!!
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Concerned from NL writes: The timing of this job action speaks volumes to the concerns of private ambulance operators. They are no more concerned about the healthcare of people in this province than I am about the price of rice! All they see is an opportunity to get government over a barrel . The state of EMS in this province is decades behind the times, and it's because of private financial concerns like these that it is. Maybe this will open peoples eyes to the greed of the private operators and government will look in another direction to provide us with the higher standard of pre-hospital care we all deserve.
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ACP from Paradise, Newfoundland writes: My message to the Gov. of NL: PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES.. Your EMS system is outdated & 3rd world!
Dump these private operators & become a progressive-agressive EMS system! Put your dollars into the professionals who work the trenches by giving them regular training & opportunites to advance their skills!
Change & grow or stagnate & die!!
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Boo from Nl writes: You are making yourselves look bad by doing yhis at a time of crises in the province......i don't think this stunt will help you.
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Gerry from St. John's, NL writes: Since Mr. Patten and his group are publicizing some of his costs to operate the ambulance service, would he also like to provide the pubic with what his and his groups bottom line profits have been for the recent past, including that projected for the current fiscal year? If we had that information then we, the public, could perhaps be in a better position to give an objective comment with respect to their demands.
Having said that however, I can't help but think that the choice of occasion to shut down the service is a pathetic and parasitic one.
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medicman from NL writes: So..... apparently we are on strike. I was never contacted to see what my thoughts were, and asked for any input, I was told by the media that I was on strike.
I agree that this ammount of time with no contract is crazy but why are we the employees being used as a pawn in this. And how quickly the operators say that they will support their staff in this dispute but when the agreement is reached, these same operators will not be singing the same song.
People, as a Paramedic in this province, I am on call 5 days a week, 24 hours a day. That equates to 6240 hours ready to respond each year BUT, I only get paid for 2080 hours. Is that right?? I have NO sick benefits and unless it is in the operators best interest, I have NO right to a job action. Am I crazy to work like this?? I truly enjoy what I do and am glad to be able to do it in a town where I was born and raised, but, for how much longer???? I can guarantee that before the summer comes there are going to be alot of job postings for EMS in this province because we are sick of the long hours for low pay. I guess the operators will have to do just that...... Operate their ambulances by theirselves.
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albert smith from GF, NL writes: Overworked,
I understand your point of view. Not sure where you place the blame but I think you should look at your employer and see what he has and if he has health coverage. And if you think he is going to give you any of an increase they get, then think again. Did they in the past? Not likely, so they won't do it this time. Also as I said before, just suggest that you should get a union to represent your concerns and see where that gets you.
What NL needs is a strictly regulated provincial service, including wages. Take the high proffits and put it back into the service.
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frustrated from NL writes: come on operators let us see what the goverment is offering the paramedics and emrs in wage increases the problem is if there is a contract sign tommorrow will the front line workers get the full wage offer so if your going to use the paramedics to get a contract be prepared to give them the full and deserved raise.Paramedics are working 24-7 out there in most cases but one thing is for certain they are all working to long of hours on call is working weather you agree or not what ever way you look at it. let the paramedics see what the Goverment is offerin. The goverment is saying its a generous offer so lets see it Then the Paramedics can see if its a good deal or not .its hard to support or not support something you are not allowed to even see it don,t make sence .so i say its about time the medics get what they so deserve for the long hours they are working and the shameful pay no benefits they are getting if the operators won,t show the paramedics the deal then the Goverement show then so they are not caught in the middle and left in the dark when it comes to negoations .We the paramedics are in this for pt care and of course to put bread and butter on the table this system is broke long enought so lets make it a better system for all residents of the province and ourselves if we the paramedics and emrs if we didn,t love what we do we would not be fighting like we are and need to do we would have walk away along time ago like many have .so this time come on Paramedics and emrs lets fight for a deal that benefits us .
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Frustated from NL writes: we as paramedics need to see what the Goverement is offering us its hard to support or not support something we don,t even see Goverment is saying they have given us a generous offer .but how would we know we don,t even make 30 thousand a year for what we do some us of us are even below the poverty line its crazy .we work long hours no ot, no benefits etc so its about time we fix this once and for all so we all we the medics are asking for is compensate us and respect us for what we do we can not keeping going with the way things are . its time to lay all the cards on the table and clean this mess up once and for all
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Annie roberts from dildo, NL writes: As a medic in rural NL, I can say that anytime for us to be on strike is bad. However, being on the forefront of an emergency at ANY hour ,in ANY condition is our job. Peoples lives are in our hands, we are exposed to so much but patient care is our priority.Saying that, if I get the H1N1,I am off without pay(NO BENEFITS)I pay for my meds(NO BENEFITS)!!Then thats one medic down for emergency calls. I give 24 hrs a day 7 days a week of being available with 10 min response time to base.So I can't go anywhere etc.I am paid less than 15 dollars an hour for 40 hours work BUT I am on call 24 hrs a day for 7 days.So I am on call 168 hrs. a week BUT paid for 40!??????Hello!!!?????What about us???The medics who save the lives of loved ones????Enough is enough!This IS crazy !!!With this pandemic and the PC Gov't cares about our RIDICULOUS health care????Lets see it for the people of NL.Its time they fix the Health care for the people NOT themselves!!!
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Fed Up from NL writes: I am totally fed up with the comments from people who have no idea what they are talking about. People of the province are not being held hostage by anyone. Emergency services are still being carried out same as before. The only thing that is being stopped is all of the routine transfers, most of which are needless calls anyway, and are a big waste of the taxpayers money. The contract being negotiated right now is on behalf of all medics as well as the owner/operators. Why don't all you people with nothing better to do than to place idiotic, non informed comments on here, do your research into what is really going on.
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Taxpayer ll from NL writes: Hey Don, if it's so bad here, as you are constantly stating on this site, why don't you take your own advice and get the funk out?
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jen from NL writes: Hello everybody... that is thw whole point of doing it now... to put the PRESSURE on!!
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T S from St. Johns, NL writes: I think its time for the provincial government to buy out these private operators and start a province-wide paramedic/ambulance system, similar to those in Nova Scotia, PEI and New Brunswick.
In my opinion, A life or death service such as this should not be operated for profit in the private industry.
Any thoughts?
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 1:34 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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LuLu from NL writes: Surprised, I dont know how much you know about EMS, obviously it isnt much. They are still doing all 911 calls and Emergency Transfers, so no one will DIE, at least, not because of this stirke. Get your facts STRAIGHT!!
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 1:38 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Keith from Mount Pearl, Newfoundland writes: Williams needs to get the oil out of his eyes. People in this province deserve some attention because the government is all about making money. For god sake we are living like communists. Williams got the controls and we need to change this. Williams is going to sink us. The province will be loaded with money but everyone will be dead through Williams neglect. Happy living here alone Williams. You will be really happy then but then again you may fight with yourself since you enjoy it so much. If I was Harper the other day, I would have told you where to go but that man has a heart and didn't step down to your level.
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 2:47 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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pissed off from NL writes: i work in Newfoundland for private sevice here we are training for 10 months to be a paramedic now we have the pmo we have to do which includes doing an annual exam whick we have to have 90% to pass to kept our restration so we can work in Newfoundland and we getting wages which are crazy no family life or benefits .so come on about time we lay all the cards on the table and deal with this once and for all this has gone on long enought . this got to be stop.show us the money offer goverment has offered if there is nothing to hide then show us !Let the workers themselves make the decision if it is a good deal or not . its only common sence that a system like this cannot contiune .
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 5:05 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Nasty Nate™ © 2009 from St Johns, NL writes: Looks like everyone that gets H1N1 due to not getting the shot will need to call a cab. Looks good on people. Nurses get a raise, MHA's get a raise, Doctors get a raise, pharmacists get a raise. No drivers then those people have no business. Looks like supply and demand. No demand for those that were given raises no reason to keep all these nurses and doctors and pharmacists now is there?
Maybe we need to have the province pay for ambulance service for the entire province. Ya thats it, lets blow a ton of money on purchasing buildings, ambulances and union wages. That will show them private business owners now wont it!
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 5:50 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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boblivz from Newfoundland writes: Dear NL Government, listen up, private operators on this island should have their funds reviewed. Most of them own 2-3 above average vehicles, 1-2 large pleasure boats, snowmobile(s), ATV(s), snow-blower(s), and all state of the art, not to mention cabins bigger then their houses. I think it is time Government for you to consider the employees, their wages and the amount of on-call time we are glued to the phone in the run of a year. It's great to have a salary of 40hr/week, for 50 weeks of a year, with a 2 week vacation. But, to be on-call for 5800 hours/year, does not seem fair. In all fairness to the materiel items that the operators may possess, if I could have it I would too. But, this is where we have missed the whole concept as to what we are, Emergency Medical Services. Lets get real, SERVICE!, you mean “BUSINESS.” A raise would be awesome, but we also need a better schedule.
EMS employee NL
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 8:23 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Misty from NL writes: I always thought an ambulance was used in emergencies only...
Drive around Newfoundland and anywhere you see an ambulance parked you will see a mansion with couple cars, RV, skidoo's ..you name it.
GREED, INDEED
I work full time for $10 per hr.
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 9:33 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Joe from nl writes: They'll get no support from this province now.
Poor timing. Don't even talk to them.
Leave them out.
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| Posted 08/11/2009 at 9:57 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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