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| Last updated at 8:40 AM on 10/11/09 |
Whither Churchill? 
The Telegram
It's hard to tell just exactly where we are when it comes to the proposed development of hydro power on the Lower Churchill - but if the latest comments from Premier Danny Williams are anything to go by, it sure doesn't look like anything will be happening right away.
"We're still advancing, we're finding ways to bring this to a head," Williams told The Telegram. "And we can get the power built, and we can generate it. But unless we've got a pipeline to put it on, a pipeline in a general term, it doesn't go anywhere."
Williams has said that regulatory authorities in Quebec are dragging their feet on allowing access to the Quebec grid, and that, as a result, this province's energy company - Nalcor - isn't out hunting for customers.
Nalcor has also expressed concerns to a joint provincial-federal environmental panel, suggesting that the panel is improperly suggesting the company's environmental submissions on the project have been deficient.
In years past, the premier had hoped the project might move forward this year. Now, he admits the development isn't close to being started yet.
"This matter here is not going to resolve in the short term ... not by a long shot. We're not looking at a Lower Churchill deal in the near term. I'd love to get the project sanctioned in the next couple of years, and then get it moving after that."
In other words, there are a legion of problems to be dealt with, and even Williams has said they are not likely to be dealt with soon.
He's even gone so far as to suggest that the project won't go forward if it becomes apparent that the government is flogging a dead horse.
What's it all add up to? Well, it sounds like an effort to dampen expectations.
It also adds up to a heck of a lot of money.
Something that hasn't been discussed about Lower Churchill in any meaningful way yet? Sunk costs. Or, if you like, long-term investments.
This government, and governments before it, have sunk millions upon millions of dollars into proposed Lower Churchill development.
There have been consultants for engineering, there has been environmental work and legal work and even design work. There are even drill crews taking core samples alongside the Strait of Belle Isle - but at the moment, there is no project, just the potential for one.
Hopefully, the government and Nalcor can find a way to bring the project to fruition - a fruition that has to include fair return, a huge fiscal investment, customers we don't even have yet, and some means of getting power to those future customers.
All and all, though, it's a large order.
If the signals we are getting now are right, the government and its Crown corporation are having a very hard time aligning enough of the planets to even be close to announcing the plan's going ahead.
And about that dead horse?
It would be one very expensive carcass indeed.
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Taxpayer ll from NL writes: Yet another attempt by the tele to put a negative spin on our current PC gov. The lower churchill is an extreamly complex project that involves many, many separate entities. Some of these entities are against us in this endeavor, the Gov. of Quebec, Hydro Quebec, The Gov. Of New Brunswick, The Harper Government in Ottawa, the Innu, the Innuit, to name but a few of our road blocks.
The bottom line is that in time this project will go ahead. The power needs of this country , and the US will ensure that the project will get done, but it may take many years.
I for one am quite satisfied to leave the oil in the ground, the ore in the ground and the hydro power untapped untill we get a deal that is right for the province. The closer we get to bringing this project to fruition, the more vermin will crawl out from under their rocks to stymie the deal.
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| Posted 10/11/2009 at 9:10 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Jim from NL writes: 'It would be one very expensive carcass indeed.' Just how much as the Danny Williams Ego cost the people of this province? I wonder if an ATIP request for that information would evoke a response. The lower Churchill is dead, and has been for a few years now. There are no buyers for the power. Without a market you have nothing. When will this sorry excuse for a Premier realize these things cannot live on Ego alone?
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| Posted 10/11/2009 at 9:19 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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vipor from nova scotia writes: were they talking about oil or electricity williams is stuck on oil the lower churchillwill be another ten years or more refering to elec as a pipe line this man is becoming a joke
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| Posted 10/11/2009 at 9:51 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Nasty Nate™ © 2009 from St Johns, NL writes: The Lower Churchill is a pipe dream. How many decades has this been in the talks? Still no action by any government nor will there ever be. Time to move on.
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| Posted 10/11/2009 at 10:26 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Penney from NL writes: Yeah..it's too hard so let's just give up. at least that's what the Tele would like to see apparently.
This project would be great for the province but this newspaper has never been much of a cheerleader of anything promoted by the current government. Criticize the good with the bad. This article has an undertone of we told you so and province finally wakes up from pipe dream. We'll never change our circumstances as long as this kind of negative attitude and skepticism dominates the culture here.
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| Posted 10/11/2009 at 10:36 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Ev from GF, NL writes: A prophet is without honour in his own country.
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| Posted 10/11/2009 at 12:04 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Lloyd from Labrador, nL writes: I agree this project is not going anywhere in the near term.
I read somewhere a few days ago the price would be too high in a relatively low demand.
Taxpayer II lists a few entities he/she claims is against 'us' in this endeavour.
I think it's a mistake to think that simply because someone is not actually helping that they are in fact 'against' 'us'. I doubt that any one would be 'against' someone if there is a good deal to be had. That would come under the art of dealmaking and a project has to make sense. Innu against it? Some are, some are not. They will get to vote on their final land claim and that is as it should be. The Inuit? I haven't heard anyone form Nunatsiavut Government speaking out against it. Other people in Labrador? Some believe it is good, some don't. Good for the province? If 'the Province' means everywhere except Labrador I guess it's good. It's only in Labrador that they lose a river and all the other local economic possibilities that go with it. That and all the other permanent environmental damages that go with such a huge project. A few jobs for a few years and there are not enough rivers to make a career of it.
And of course, there are no plans for Labrador communities to be powered by all of this and if there are no such direct local benefits then there is nothing we can actually count on getting from all this.
I think it will be a long long while yet.
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| Posted 10/11/2009 at 12:11 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Robert from NL writes: Anyone who believes that Williams will succeed in developing the Churchill probably believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and honest politicians.
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| Posted 10/11/2009 at 12:26 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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B from NL writes: The companys environmental submissions on the project have been deficient Who would have thought that with our current governments perfect track record when it comes to the environment. Quebec has Danny right where they want him, and Danny screwed up big time when he didn't gain access to transmission through New Brunswick before the sale of NB power. You reap what you sow there Danny, and the way you are letting industry dump all over our beautiful province, I hope you reap a big bag of crap.
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W McLean from ON writes: To call the imaginary Lower Churchill project dead, is to erroneously imply that it was once alive.
It wasn't. At least never under Danny's watch. It's a McGuffin.
And why hasn't anyone picked up on the startling revelation in September, by Kathy Dunderdale, that Danny Williams-Government had been secretly trying to get Hydro-Quebec involved in the project since 2004, just months after coming into office?
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don from Newfoundland and Labrador writes: Danny Williams is just whistling while walking past the graveyard. Quebec is going to delay and obstruct any request for access to their power grid for as long as it takes to exhaust the efforts of the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador or until they can back Newfoundland into a corner. The only hope for the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador that exists is if the people New Brunswick put a stop to the Hydro-Quebec/NB Power deal. Otherwise, if Quebec is successful in the New Brunswick Power takeover, it will control all access to the markets for Newfoundland and Labrador hydro power. If that happens, Danny's plans for hydro power sales to Atlantic Canada, Ontario and the USA are dead in the water. Only a deal that is acceptable to Quebec will ever be negotiated if Quebec succeeds in its plans to dominate the hydro-power production and distribution in eastern Canada. While Danny slept at the hydro switch, his competitors were outsmarting him at every turn. Danny, in a fit of anger, might pull the switch on the Upper Churchill and deprive Quebec of of Upper Churchill power. In response, Quebec will deprive Newfoundland and Labrador of any future hydro-power sales for ever and a day. Good going Danny!
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SaskNLer Eaton from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan writes: The environmental assessment process alone takes years. People who think that you can propose a project and boom it happens are misinformed. They can go through the environmental assessment but will have to do parts over again once they determine the link. If the Telegram really wants to know how long its going to take talk to the people at the Major Projects Management Office created by Stephen Harper. Enough red tape to wrap every Christmas gift from here to Asia.
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Ed Hollett from St. John's, NL writes: In the 1960s, the entire Churchill River development (upper and lower) was hampered in part by a lack of transmission infrastructure and a lack of lines capable of handling the large current.
Almost 50 years later, the problem in developing any project in Labrador is not transmission lines across Quebec. The April 2009 deal between NALCOR and Hydro-Quebec to sell power to Emera is proof of that.
The problem is simply one of markets and money and mass. The massive project (at least $10 billion) does not have markets and therefore cannot get the mass of money needed to build it in the current environment (relatively low prices, tight capital etc etc). None of the problems any plots, schemes or roadblocks.
In the meantime, Hydro-Quebec already has under development hydro and wind resources that will deliver as much power to market as the entire Churchill River could produce at CF, Gull Island and Muskrat.
That also makes it much less likely that a very expensive project very far from potential markets will get developed in the neart term (at least five years out).
That's exactly what the Premier said: This matter here is not going to resolve in the short term ... not by a long shot. We're not looking at a Lower Churchill deal in the near term.
I think he is absolutely right; we won't see a Lower Churchill development within the next five years or so.
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