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The big chill 

RUSSELL WANGERSKY 
The Telegram
You can win battles, and still lose wars. In Monday's Globe and Mail, Premier Danny Williams was once again suggesting that it was time that the federal and provincial government bury the hatchet.
"If the prime minister reached out," Williams is quoted as saying by Roy MacGregor, "we would accept any kind of olive branch."
"I'm trying to get away from that anti-Harper mentality. I am saying we are here to work with the federal government at any point in time."
The story goes on to suggest that one type of middle ground might be to have someone like Loyola Sullivan appointed to fill a soon-to-be-vacant Newfoundland seat in the Senate, and that Sullivan could be added to the Harper cabinet to allow for better representation for this province.
Now, ending the war is nothing new. It's something that the premier has been saying since the last federal election: "From my perspective, it's done, put it behind us, let's move on," Williams said at the time.
Problem is, at least one side hasn't put it behind them, and there's no real sign that they will.
Biding their time
The federal government hasn't shown much interest, and Williams has suggested that the backlash from his Anything But Conservative campaign led to federal budget changes that cost the province millions in revenues.
This isn't to say that Williams' efforts may not have helped Canada as a whole: watching the Harper government work its deliberately partisan agenda as a minority government makes any reasonable person shiver about what it would have attempted as a majority.
But at the same time, being the lightning-rod for prime ministerial ire hasn't helped this province in a number of ways.
Everybody likes a good fight - Buddy the Puffin's "ABC" sign made great television, and the battle between Williams and the Harper government made for a healthy amount of television time for Williams and his $80,000 Internet and billboard campaign. It caught the attention of more than a few reporters and editors, and it helped elect a slew of non-Conservatives who might well have had trouble finding federal seats in a full and open campaign without provincial interference.
But no matter how effective the battle, you still have to deal with the rest of the war. Ask yourself, for example, what might happen if, during a provincial campaign, the mayor of Mount Pearl came out and said that he feared for the future of the province under another Williams government, and argued that any Conservative whose provincial district was in or near Mount Pearl should be defeated. How quickly would that axe be buried after a provincial PC win, and just where would it be buried?
It's all well and good to expect that competitors will play fair after a vote. Sometimes, though, human nature rules out over an appeal to fairness.
Another example
Or think of this.
In Viroqua, Wisc., last week, there was an epic battle between a 180-pound deer and a 640-pound concrete statue of an elk. The deer, a seven-point buck, apparently took the statue of the elk as a competitor during the rutting season, and repeatedly charged its foe, finally successfully toppling the statue, according to the LaCrosse, Wis., Tribune.
The toppled statue suffered cosmetic damage during the fall, including broken antlers.
The successful buck, its honour intact, staggered some 20 feet away and then promptly died of a fractured skull. It is now making an appearance in the deep freeze of the elk statue's owner - and the statue's owner is thinking of using the deer's antlers on the statue.
Maybe the fault in this case is that, being caught up in the rush of the event, the media neglected to ask a crucial question: if the ABC campaign is successful, what exactly happens next?
Because it's not so nice here in the freezer.
Russell Wangersky is The Telegram's editorial page editor. He can be reached by e-mail at rwanger@thetelegram.com.
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W BAgg from NL writes: Williams now needs Harper to stop Quebec (and by extension Quebec Hydro) from having full control of where, how and when the power from the Lower Churchill is transmitted. There is an old saying don't burn your bridges, you never know when you may need to go back over them.
As a mediocre Danny Supporter, I assume he now knows how it feels to be on the short end of the stick.
P.S. Sullivan wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole since he knows how quick Danny can turn a province on a good man.
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| Posted 17/11/2009 at 9:36 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Funky Monkey from NL writes: Great piece. The bit about the deer and statue was excellent.
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| Posted 17/11/2009 at 9:44 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Manny Lewis from ON writes: So nice of you to tell both sides of the story, or do you have to focus on local issues?
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| Posted 17/11/2009 at 9:51 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Eugene from Town, Newfoundland writes: While Stephen Harper and his neocons in Ottawa don't appeal to me, the egomaniacal machinations of Messr Williams leave (at least) as cold. Danny Williams is showing an example to all parents of exactly how not behave in civil company: shouting down opposition - as opposed to civilly debating; throwing down the gauntlet in a political race in which he is not a contestant; holding (our) cards so close to his chest that one confuses our province with some private business concern fully owned and operated by proprietor Williams; crying to NY business people that Quebec (and by extension the federal government) are not playing fair (does he expect that NY business leaders are going to bat for Nfld & Lab?!?!?). Mr. Williams is a bully and a sook (read crybaby) and while having a strong negotiator is a good point, I'm not sure exactly is supposed to benefit from his 'victories'; victories which we are yet to see.
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Winston Smith from Canada writes: As with so much else, context is important. As for the context to the ABC campaign, consider what the Premier actually said about the Prime Minister in a speech to the Board of Trade in September 2008:
'According to his own brochure – he is a fraud.'
'...the bond of his word is meaningless.'
'His list of broken and unfulfilled promises portrays a lack of integrity in his character and shows us he cannot be trusted.'
'This is a federal government willing to not only break their own promises, but they go so far as to break their own laws and call an election even though they mandated fixed election dates.'
'There is nothing Harper will not do to win a majority government.'
'This is a party who purportedly offered a terminally ill MP a life insurance policy to get his vote. How low can you go?'
Before online commentators claim that I'm taking these remarks out of context, they should read the speech, which generated lavish media attention: http://www.releases.gov.nl.ca/releases/speeches/2008/Premier_Board_of_Trade_September_10.htm
There is a very persistent -- and very false -- belief that language and rhetoric are somehow distinct from politics and governing. This leads many commentators to overlook or downplay the Premier's outbursts, such as saying that a critic 'betrays us,' or, in referring to Eastern Health, saying 'They should be shot over there.'
But such reckless language matters. The coarsening of public language has political ramifications. As you said in an earlier column, 'the best word to describe our current provincial government is impulsive. '
Such impulsive behaviour has consequences. This is not, for a second, to defend Prime Minister Harper, whom I dislike intensely.
But, if readers can spare a second, think about how you would expect the Prime Minister to react, if the Premier called him a fraud; claimed that the bond of his word is meaningless; and charged that his lack of integrity meant that he could not be trusted.
We all know that political antagonisms and alliances ebb and flow in waves, according to the shifting currents of federal-provincial relations; but we should keep in mind that politicians are still people who are as sensitive to personal insults as anyone else. Williams threw everything and the kitchen sink into his diatribe against Harper, which worked well for his short-term tactics. But long-term strategy is another matter.
Premier Williams may be able to repair his bridge to Ottawa, but rebuilding after it's been so completely burned won't be easy.
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| Posted 17/11/2009 at 10:04 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Mark from ON writes: But if the Premier weren't constantly fighting someone, where would our pride come from?
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don from Newfoundland and Labrador writes: Dictator Danny has finally realized that the writing is on the wall. Powerful forces have finally had enough of being threatened, berated and expropriated by the little dictator. Plans are in the works at high levels to seriously punish our pugilistic Premier and by extension, the people of Newfoundland and Labrador. Danny is scared witless and is trying to mollify the powers that be in an ill-conceived attempt to persuade them not to destroy us. Sorry, too late! To paraphrase what Dictator Danny's hero, President John F. Kennedy once said: Those who seek power by riding on the back of the tiger..or in Danny's case, by trying to intimidate the tiger...end up inside of the tiger. Danny is now in New York trying to manipulate the customers of Hydro-Quebec by claiming that Hydro-Quebec treats Newfoundland and Labrador unfairly. Firstly, the American customers of Hydro-Quebec could care less about how badly Quebec treats Newfoundland. Secondly, if Dictator Danny threatens the hydro-power supply to the USA, he will have made a whip for his own back. No sympathy for Newfoundland will flow from the Wall Street crowd. Danny is just wasting his time, his breath and our taxpayer money by going to New York to preach fairness to the people who made their fortunes by manipulating other people just like Quebec has successfully done to Newfoundland. How naive is Danny I wonder? Danny is way out of his league in New York!
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Saucy Face from Nl writes: Don said: Danny is just wasting his time, his breath and our taxpayer money by going to New York to preach fairness to the people who made their fortunes by manipulating other people just like Quebec has successfully done to Newfoundland. How naive is Danny I wonder? Danny is way out of his league in New York!
Well Don, you can say all you want against the premier as you always do, but to ssuggest that Danny Williams is naive and way out of his leauge with anyone, let alone New York is pushing it, even for someone as negative as you.
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don from Newfoundland and Labrador writes: Saucy Face: Your faith in the little dictator is seriously misplaced. I would not be surprised to learn that Danny is considered to be nothing more than an interesting hick by the sophisticated elites in New York. I think that there may be some evidence to support that theory. I just happened to be watching one of the New York city based morning shows on American cable TV on Monday morning. I think it was called Good Morning America. I was surprised when I saw a group of women holding a Newfoundland and Labrador flag. The women had either been waiting at the location since early morning or had managed to elbow their way to the front and center position in the crowd in front of the camera. They badgered the host, I believe it was a fellow named Sam Champion, the weatherman, until he noticed them and interviewed them live. Champion stated that he had seen the flag but couldn't place where it was from. Jubilantly, the women shrieked it was the flag of Newfoundland Canada. In her exuberance, the woman forgot to mention Labrador. I would like to know the identity of these women, are they Newfoundland and Labrador Government employees or just tourists visiting New York? Is it possible that Dictator Danny brought his own fan club to New York? Perhaps it was just a coincidence that a group of women holding a large Newfoundland and Labrador flag would show up on Good Morning America around the same time that Dictator Danny was scheduled to be speaking in New York. Dictator Danny must be real desperate for publicity in the USA! Whose hare-brained publicity scheme was this I wonder? If these women are Newfoundland and Labrador government employees, are the taxpayers footing the bill for them to be brought to New York for a shopping spree and a flag waving stunt?
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Funky Monkey from NL writes: Don b'y, I'm not a huge fan of the current government, but you're a bit of a nut. 95% of what I've read belonging to you is garbage and over the top nonsense. If you really care about changing the government, settle down, use intelligent thought and reasoning. You're fighting a battle of wits with no ammo and are more damaging to any opposition cause then a help.
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B from NL writes: I think Mr. Williams should have thought about the consequences before he put both feet in his mouth. We need the support of the Federal government on things like the lower Churchill, and the control of our fishery. Now he can see there is no light at the end of the tunnel and we are painted into a corner. I'd suggest Williams go to Harper with his tail between his legs and beg for forgiveness. Believe it or not we need Canada alot more than Canada needs us. We need a leader who thinks before he speaks, not some junior high crybaby who stamps his feet and takes his bat and ball and goes home everytime he doesn't get his own way.
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Bones II from NL writes: jeez don, I've now seen you use politicians, health professionals, Canadian citizens, American citizens, wall street, news personalities, government employees, possible government employees, adjectives that are completely out of context (like 'dictator' - I invite you to look up its definition), dead veterans, living veterans, and cutesie little metaphors to further your political statements to date. Impressive, even for a hater, lol.
Personally, I think the cards are being played to show examples of cooperation on all fronts by the provincial government. Perhaps something to do with illustrating argument by way of example to a board of some kind? lol
'We've tried this and this and this and this and this to cooperate and it just hasn't worked, I feel we need this issue settled by a third party.' The sleeves are full on all sides.
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don from Newfoundland and Labrador writes: Funky Monkey: Apparently, like most of the people, you can't see the forest for the trees. Politicians are like hypnotists and magicians, they use the power of suggestion and slight of hand to make you think you see something that isn't there or make you think that something has disappeared that wasn't there in the first place. Anybody who thinks that I am a nut is in for a big shock! I am reminded of how gullible people are when I recall the so-called surprise and secret visit that President George W. Bush made to see the US troops in Iraq a few years ago. After Dubya had arrived, the media billed the visit as being top secret and prattled on and on about how the troops did not know and had no idea that Dubya was coming to see them. I watched the ceremony on TV when Dubya entered the auditorium to make his surprise visit. One odd thing struck me about the so called top secret surprise visit. Despite the media saying that nobody was supposed to know that Dubya was going to arrive until he made his entrance before thousands of troops, I noticed that almost all of the troops in attendance had brought their digital cameras and were flashing away at Dubya when he walked in. Well, if his visit was a surprise and a top secret, how did all of these troops know to bring their cameras? Maybe they just walk around all of time with their cameras in their Flak Jacket pocket in case a President drops by. What Baloney! Come on bye, wake up, open your eyes and see the political smoke and mirrors that are making the people of Newfoundland and Labrador blind to political reality. If you want to look for nuts and kooks, look no further than in our political parties and in some offices at Confederation Building!!!!
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Kent M from St. John's, NL writes: Don is correct.... Danny might be a big fish in a little place like Newfoundland, but he’s not a blip on the graph of NY, or the rest of Canada for that matter. There are 326 million people in the United States. Do you really think they could give a rat's a$$ about a Newfoundland beef with our Federal government or in fighting with Quebec? Hardly... The United States was a built on the aftermath of a civil war, so they are hardly going to be sympathetic to a guy who has no respect for his own leader. This was demonstrated only a few weeks ago when Congressman Joe Wilson called President Obama a liar in the middle of Congress. His outburst was condemned by all political parties and was regarded as an insult to all Americans. Danny is of a similar ilk and Newfoundland has and will pay for this as writer of this column suggests.
He and hs government are merely the beneficiaries of high oil prices. Had he been in office in the 80’s and early 90’s, his performance would have been no better than that of his predecessors. He is mediocrity in the midst of a windfall, nothing more.
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Taxpayer ll from NL writes: What you are all forgetting, as I have said here many times before, is that we have ALWAYS been screwed by the overlords. It doesn't matter who we have in provincially at the time, we will be raped by the Ottawa/Quebec coalition. They raped our fishery, they stole our ore, they did everything they could to rob us of our oil, and of course we know what they did, and are trying to do with our electricity. At least we finally have someone with the balls to give Ottawa, and their favorite welfare province Quebec the collective NL middle finger.
If we had sent 7 Conservatives to Ottawa we would not have received one iota more in cooperation from the feds. We would not have any more federal depts. or offices here. At least with Mr. Williams we let them know that we are very aware of how Ottawa sees us, as a bucnch of ignorant pesants to be plundered and left to rot by this joke of a country.
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Harold from NL writes: This is only for Mr Bones.
Definition:
DICTATOR: One who dictates.
Is that plain enough for you to wrap your little head around Bones?
Probably not.
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Dave from ON writes: Overlords?????!?!??!?!?
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Bones II from NL writes: This is only for Mr. Harold, lol: Yes, perfectly, but I already knew that. Perhaps someone as obviously intelligent as you are could shed some light on what Williams has dictated or how he fits the definition you've provided? Keep it sensible, please, I truly would like to understand why Williams is a dictator if you could enlighten me. Probably not. lol.
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