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| Last updated at 8:12 AM on 21/11/09 |
Tell it like it is 
The Telegram
So, the mill rate road show has begun. Early last week, municipal councillors in St. John's began the rearguard action of arguing that, while they all promised mill rates would be reduced, the rates probably won't come down enough to satisfy most people.
There have been high-tech presentations on the city's increased costs and future financial commitments, along with plenty of discussion about how living up to election promises would mean cuts - perhaps drastic ones - to city services. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what's likely to come next.
The very first action of a newly elected council that promised to hold the line on taxes will be to effectively increase those taxes across the board. And it's going to happen fast: by Dec. 15, the decision-making will be over, and councillors will be earnestly saying that they've done their best, but ...
It's a story that people in other cities and towns in this province with increased property values will also hear.
Added to everything else, there's also the fact that mill rates and property assessments are a murky soup; in areas where property rates are rising quickly, taxpayers can see the taxes they pay double, or even more, while elected politicians go around blithely saying "we didn't increase taxes," while benefiting from increased returns.
You'd think there would have to be a better way - well, perhaps there is. An astute reader pointed to the way property taxes are being dealt with in several other jurisdictions, especially those with rapidly increasing property values.
It's called full disclosure, and its aim is to make sure that the political chips fall where they should.
There's a great description of the system in an article by Gary Cornia and Lawrence Walters of Brigham Young University in the National Tax Journal.
Since politicians are often elected on promises to hold the line or decrease taxes, they should have to clearly show what they're doing. Full disclosure legislation says that cities and towns have to calculate an annual tax rate that blends assessment increases and mills rates and "produces property tax revenue equal to that amount of property tax revenue generated during the previous year." Or, more clearly: "Increases in property values that are captured by a reappraisal must be offset by a reduction in the tax rate that creates a revenue-neutral outcome."
It doesn't mean politicians can't increase taxes to cover increased costs: the only difference is that they have to clearly show what they are doing.
"If public officials seek to approve a tax rate that generates more revenue than the previous year, then they have consciously chosen to increase taxes and must formally adopt and vote on a rate that is greater."
The rate increase has to be clearly spelled out, advertised, and in some jurisdictions, letters outlining the real effects of the increase have to be mailed to every household. And it means the chips fall where they should: with the politicians who are the ones sending out the larger tax bills.
Cornia and Walters say where full disclosure has been used, it has tempered tax growth, especially in areas like ours, where assessments of property values have shot up.
The end result? Instead of councillors saying "we can't cut as much as we'd like," we'd have the more accurate statement "we've voted to increase your taxes." It isn't as palatable, but it's far more honest.
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W Bagg from NL writes: Man, I shoulda voted for Coombs, he was gonna give me money back or off my tax.
Or maybe Doc can put a toll at the overpass to charge anyone who eneters via the TCH, I'm sure the legal genius' running the city would try to bring it in.
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 8:45 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Newfie Bill from NL writes: Well, anyone with 1/2 a brain seen this coming, and to make matters worse 'ALL councils know there is not a thing the people can do about it for 4 years. This province makes me sick to my stomach....
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 9:11 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Manuel Clark from St.johns, NL writes: We are not stuck with him. There are several ways to have these lying councillors removed from office.
Read the legislation and you will see how it is done.
As for these lying theiving people that we call councillors, its time we as Newfoundlanders stand united and hold these idiots accountable.
Im sick of this. Taxes keep going up and wages stay the same unless your a government employee.
How much money can be saved if we stop City employees and the Nape and Cupe workers from driving government cars and trucks like they are their own vecihles? They take cars home even as far as CBS and ferryland and you and i are paying the fuel bill. Is this not fraud or theft.
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 11:23 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Lou Jobbs from Newfoundland writes: I can see a Flip Flop coming from the master, the Flip Flop Doc O'Keefe.
Add this to his Memorial Stadium list.
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| Posted 21/11/2009 at 1:12 PM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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DeeBee from NF writes: 'Full disclosure' is a term that does not sit well with politicians in general; neither is 'honesty', unless they're on the witness stand hoping to get a lighter sentence. Gee, do I sound jaded or what?
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Whatever Bud from Newfoundland writes: There are 2 groups of people who whine the loudest about property tax. Those who bought properties for re-sale and don't want to see their profits reduced and those who have lived in their homes for years and wish to stay.The latter group has a right to whine. The City should have a two-tiered system. If you bought a house downtown for example 5 years ago for $200,000 and are now selling it for $400,000,there should be a one time tax added. Similar to selling a used car,except most people will not be able to get falsified affidavits because it will likely be mortgaged. I bought my house 3 years ago and have seen a 40% increase in taxes,I do not wish to sell it. The house across the street from me is assessed at $5,000 more than mine but is certainly worth $150,000 MORE than mine and it will sell soon.
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George from NL writes: The system itself is flawed, why should your taxes be based on the sale value of your property. St John's has a transient student population who pay NOTHING towards the city cost of providing services because they rent accomodation. So the pensioner who has lived in her home all her life pays the same as the identical property next door yet it is rented out to 5 students who pay nothing. Hardly fair is it? about as fair as people who own empty property yet pay property and water taxes.
Twenty years ago the UK realized this and brought in a poll tax, every person over the age of 18 pays into the municipal coffers and ALL pay the same amount. I suppose you could liken it to a user pay system, the more adults in a property, the more water, garbage collection and services they use, they all pay. eg. poll tax of $1000 per individual, a person living alone would pay $1000 per yr, a 4 person household would pay $4000.
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Mislead from St. John's, NL writes: We have been mislead by Doc and his gang. During the election campaign they promised us that mil rates would decrease to make up for the increased assessments. Therefore, not as many homeowners appealed the assessments. Now they aren't going to decrease the rates. We won't forget this next time Doc.
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don from Newfoundland and Labrador writes: Property tax is a regressive and unfair form of taxation which should be abolished. The property tax unfairly penalizes those who care for their homes and property by keeping it well maintained and attractive. Funding for municipalities should come from the income and consumption taxes collected by the Federal and Provincial Governments and augmented by fees charged for permits etc. and a maximum 1% municipal tax assessed on the value of a property when it is sold. The idea of taxing peoples property each year is absolutely unfair and is nothing more than a cash cow for wasteful and overspending municipal councils.
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Bert from Nl writes: George, I hope that you are in the minority who want to cruify the students who come to St. John's to go to University and trade colleges.
If you are fortunate enough to live in St. John's and your kids go to university they won't be burdened with a huge student loan for rent, food and transportation.
Also George you should realize that the business in St. John's as well as the post high school campuses get quite a lot of revenue from the students from out of town.
I guess George when you are not in the position that people from outside are in with regard to the high cost of post-secondary education you can complain.
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johnl from nl writes: It is time for the City of St.John's to realize that we are not a big city and reduce costs such as grant to Arts and numerous organizations who are looking for monies. Also subsidies to Metrobus and Mile One have to be reduced. Capital projects have to be on budget and on time. When union contracts are up for renewal the City will have to say Sorry , but the money is just not there . It is time for the City council and the administrators to realize the bubble has burst and face reality and be honest with all the stakeholders and especially with the taxpayers, the people who who pay the costs. Sorry , but this is the way it is.
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don from Newfoundland and Labrador writes: I remember a trip that I made through southern Ontario a few years ago. I was traveling the area with my friend and I asked him why most of the rural properties appeared to be so run down and dilapidated. He responded that the homes were spotless and well maintained inside but the exteriors were left to fall apart, even fences were not repaired or painted because the exterior of the properties is what the tax assessors saw when they drove by the properties to do their tax assessments. I was shocked to discover that people were forced to let their properties deteriorate because they feared that a well maintained home and manicured lawn and fenced property would cause their property taxes to increase. That is the negative effect of having the tax man impose taxes based on how good your property looks and how big it appears to be. So much for rewarding hard work and success! Municipal councils are wasteful and run by incompetent people who could bankrupt their towns in a minute. When municipal politicians make mistakes and budget overruns and mounting debt results, they just send the bill for their stupidity to the residents of the town. Just imagine if a businessman who ran his company into the ground could just send bills to his customers and have them pay the price for his bad management. The lack of a county government system in Newfoundland and Labrador results in the continuation of very expensive municipal councils for hundreds of small towns which could be amalgamated into about a dozen county councils that would operate more efficiently and for much less cost to the taxpayer. However, Newfoundland and Labrador is a feudal place with feudal councils who can't agree with each other on anything. Governing this province must be like trying to herd cats! The property tax system needs to be abolished and replaced with a more equitable system.
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Taxpayer ll from NL writes: It is not just the lack of a promised reduction of mill rates that should be worrying us, but the massive increase in water tax that is comming. The citizens of St.John's are about to get a double whammy when the next bill from the city arrives. Ms. Duff said the other day (while she was requesting submissions for the cities latest artwork buying spree), that there were some hefty increases on the way re. water tax.
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This city is so poorly managed and run that I can't believe they manage to pick up the trash let alone anything else.
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Iguess after they sock it to us with the increased property tax, and increased water tax that they will vote themselves a raise and ban us from using any water next spring. This is not leadership, this is not governance, this is blindly flayling along, wondering when the next cruise ship conference in Florida is to take place. What a bunch of boobs!
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Jeff Power from Mount Pearl, NL writes: I am not arguing on the merits of the taxes or what rates they should be or generally how they should be applied but,
George, renters do pay, it's called rent. Landlords pay property taxes and recover that cost through rent. Taxes go up, rent usually goes up.
It may be indirect, but it still has to be paid - and renters contribute to the cost.
Now, if you know of a place I can rent that costs nothing, let me know.
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